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K5083
09-06-2005, 09:45 PM
Has anyone seen one of the new warbirds Cox is offering at www.coxmodels.com (http://www.coxmodels.com)? They were supposedly released in August. Cox's web site has been consistently "out of stock." My local hobby shop has written off Cox as a serious hobby company and won't stock them, although I suppose I could special order. These little guys seem like just the thing for those of us who want a warbird but fly in spaces too small for a Flying Styro, Alfa, or PZ.

If they ever actually become available, I'm thinking of getting the Corsair or Jug and fitting it with a 2-cell 450 mAh LiPo and appropriate ESC.

August

Twmaster
09-06-2005, 10:37 PM
Oh my! Those are the bee's knees! Me want!!

ForestCam
09-06-2005, 10:49 PM
There's also a thread on these over in the Foamies section. I emailed Cox about them but never got a reply.

RW650
09-07-2005, 03:12 AM
I too want a couple of these! My local Hobby store says they will have them at the end of Sept. Can't wait!

Gullwing
09-07-2005, 03:58 AM
Yeah they don't seem to be answering emails. My LHS won't handle them either. The guy at my shop says the reason things are always out of stock (any manufacturer) is because as soon as the product is released LHS order all of them. These guys at Cox seemed to be out before the release of product. Sounds like the new car thing to me(fall in love with it and then pay any price)LOL........but would like to have one just to have it..........GW

shark1016
09-07-2005, 07:41 AM
I e-mailed both areas there sells and support and got back a e-mail from there sales department. They said they will be ready to sell in October. Hope that clears things up. If I get any it will be the P-40.

ctwalker
09-07-2005, 08:44 AM
October is not a very good time to release a new line of planes. The season is about over for most of us by then. Oh well, maybe that will make them easier to get anyway. It should give us time to get them plugged into our sims to see how they will fly before springtime.

Tim Wolff
09-07-2005, 04:42 PM
October is not a very good time to release a new line of planes.

Esp. a new line of planes that was supposed to be out in June when I saw them at the Toledo show in April.

shark1016
10-06-2005, 03:22 AM
I e-mailed them again and they said that it would be available on the first and second week of November considering where you are located. Delayed Again :( gotta wait some more but hopefully this wait is like they say worth the wait.

Faspro
10-07-2005, 02:50 AM
Just bought the P-51 and P-47

shark1016
10-07-2005, 03:45 AM
You got them like at a store and have them in hand or ordered them and your waiting to get one? :confused:

Faspro
10-07-2005, 04:09 AM
Sorry, I placed an order with Cox. They will be getting them in Oct.

gwong
10-07-2005, 05:12 PM
IMHO....I ain't no graphic artist but their website ain't that pretty...

Gord.

Faspro
10-07-2005, 06:16 PM
Yeah I know. The OUT OF STOCK label that they gave the planes is probably a default labeling. They don't even have the planes yet.

NitroCharged
10-07-2005, 11:47 PM
IMHO....I ain't no graphic artist but their website ain't that pretty...

Gord.

It's pretty hard on the eyes, huh?
Kinda looks like something Homer Simpson would design ;)

WWI Ace
10-08-2005, 09:25 PM
Save one of the P-47's for me guys!!!

shark1016
10-09-2005, 09:54 PM
I want the P-40 becuase its nice looking the P-47 is good too but if I get one its going to be the P-40 and if its good the second one I get will probably be a P-51 or P-47 depending on reviews of them. Just waiting. :D

obxflyer
10-31-2005, 09:22 PM
OK boys and girls Cox is shipping as of today 10/31/05. I just received conformation of my order and visa charge. Orginal order as back in June. I'll let ya'll know the skinny when I see em. BC

Faspro
11-01-2005, 11:31 PM
Woo Hoo me to! I was waiting so long my credit card expired and got denied. I had to call and fix it. Hopefully they will ship tommorow. Where is COX located? They said they have alot so order up.

ForestCam
11-02-2005, 12:33 AM
Their site still lists them as "Out Of Stock".:rolleyes:

Gullwing
11-02-2005, 12:43 AM
They show to be in stock now:D

obxflyer
11-02-2005, 03:22 AM
Guys, today I got the shipping info from COX and the UPS tracking #s. The Micro Warbirds are on their way really! Ya'll can check them out at the COX site. www.coxmodels.com (http://www.coxmodels.com)

Gullwing
11-02-2005, 03:27 AM
I have already started checking out brushless motors...........Maybe the AXI 2204? 2 cell Lipo:D

obxflyer
11-02-2005, 03:56 AM
Thought I try stock first to do an eval, then go for the gold

ForestCam
11-02-2005, 08:19 PM
Let us know if it comes with an ESC since it says;

Everything you need to complete the model is included except for electronics and glue. You will need a micro receiver, 2 micro servos, battery (6 cell 220 mAh NiMH) and charger.


Doesn't mention that you'll need one so maybe it's included?:confused:

obxflyer
11-02-2005, 09:39 PM
I'll give the down and dirty, when I see the birdies. Cox may think the RC is going to buy a Rx with a ESC built in......? Weight saving?

K5083
11-03-2005, 06:40 PM
Even though I started this thread way back in the summer, I had almost lost interest in this product by now. I look forward eagerly to the reviews -- especially flying reviews -- to see if this will rekindle my interest in a winter project.

August

shark1016
11-04-2005, 08:12 AM
My P-40 will get here on Monday Nov. 7th cannot wait I guess I will fly my e-starter to make the time go by quicker but when I get it I will post everything thats in the box and if the instructions are easy or hard to follow. I really hope its a good plane. I don't know about the ESC but if it does come with one that is ok but I will need a li-poly ESC becuase I am going to put one of them in becuase instead of about 10 minutes with the 220 mah nimh it recommends I should get around 20 hopefully with the li-poly. But first lets just hope it gets in the air :D.

CPTSBW
11-05-2005, 01:58 AM
I got my P-47 and P-51 versions today. Initial thoughts, they look GREAT, the instructions are clear, written in ENGLISH and in full color, very nice. I will begin building and see if my thoughts remain the same. Been a long wait and I think it will have all been worth it.

Steven

shark1016
11-05-2005, 06:01 AM
Can you tell us about the Speed control do we provide one or does it not need one somehow? The news about the full color instructions sound great I hope their good from what you said it sounds nice can't wait till Monday!!:) One quick thing how real do they look like do they look like their real-life counterpart or do they look something like it but is not perfect? Sorry about asking all these questions but how sterdy does the wing and foam fill does it fill flimsy or do you think it can take a couple of bad landings. One more thing I am sorry about asking again but if you can can you measure how big the battery compartment is so I know what size battery to get for it if you can thanks alot.

CPTSBW
11-05-2005, 06:34 PM
You will need a speed control (recommended is 7.2v - 8.4v, 10 amp). What is included is a plate that you connect ESC, motor and battery to. This is the charge plate and on/off switch all combined into one unit. The recommended battery is 1) 6 cell 7.2v 220 mAh NiMH or 2) 2s 250 mAh Lipo. The also suggest the Firefly Coreless with 4:1 gear box as the best modification.

As for how does it look, I am truly pleased they look great and the foam is a solid density that should hold up very well. Definitely not flimsy. Wing is much denser than the fuse.

ISSUES: I have yet to find a battery pack that fits the dimension. The listed one in the instructions has a Cox number 05501 that is not found on their website. The dimensions are different for every version. In my case the P51 has a space 1.5l x 1.5h x 1w and the P47 is 1.75x1.5x1.25 May end up making my own packs to fit as the easiest answer. If anyone finds a good battery PLEASE let us know what you find.

n001pa
11-05-2005, 09:59 PM
If possible could you post some pictures of how it looks from the box. I have been looking for a small P-47 and I think I just found it.

shark1016
11-06-2005, 02:11 AM
ISSUES: I have yet to find a battery pack that fits the dimension. The listed one in the instructions has a Cox number 05501 that is not found on their website. The dimensions are different for every version. In my case the P51 has a space 1.5l x 1.5h x 1w and the P47 is 1.75x1.5x1.25 May end up making my own packs to fit as the easiest answer. If anyone finds a good battery PLEASE let us know what you find.
I found a Li-poly at tower hobbies its $22 and its 7.4 volts 350 mah here is the link it looks like it is small enough.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGHD9&P=0

:::here is another one. On the website it doesn't say how big it is here is the link its also cheaper:

http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_4_71&products_id=1628&osCsid=2969f1d6bc5e9dbe5fc146153d4aa7a0

***If you don't want li-poly here is a nimh one it might be to long though here is the link to it:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGBL6&P=7

I will keep looking.

n001pa
11-06-2005, 02:36 AM
How about these?

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/etec.htm

I just ordered the P-47. I can't wait for it to get here. How long was the shipping once they finaly sent them out?

n001pa
11-06-2005, 02:50 AM
Also if you wanted to go with NiMHs you could try one of these.

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hydride.htm

There are several there that look to be small enough.

shark1016
11-06-2005, 05:44 AM
n001pa I ordered mine Wednesday November 2nd and it shipped the same day I ordered it around 7 am though but anyway it will get here Monday and it shipped by UPS.

olmod
11-06-2005, 05:53 AM
I bought 2 individual cells 10g ea. http://www.maxamps.com/index.html?lmd=38657.656528 they may be of use to you also , very cheap and check the c rating :D

Steve_O
11-06-2005, 12:06 PM
Got my P 40 on Friday. It looks very good. No ESC included. I am anxious to get started on it. I am new to electrics after flying glow for 26 years. So, I could use some advise on which servos, ESC and battery pack to use. Thanks.

shark1016
11-06-2005, 01:44 PM
I use the cheap hs-55 servos you can't beat them for the price. I have about 6 of them and they all work fine http://www.hobby-lobby.com/servos.htm

There the ones on top that is one place that sells them you can google them and you might find them for less. Here at Allerc http://www.allerc.com/index.php?cPath=40&osCsid=2969f1d6bc5e9dbe5fc146153d4aa7a0

They sell alot of stuff and that is the servo page. Just read up on some but the ones I have tried and had good luck with was the HS-55's.

Steve
11-06-2005, 03:24 PM
Anybody put one of these critters in the air yet?

You're right. Their site is horrible!

GallopingGhost
11-06-2005, 05:48 PM
Just got off the Cox site (110605) and ordered a P51 and Corsair. I expect UPS ground will take a week to get delivered. Looking for to getting them going.

Steve_O
11-06-2005, 08:26 PM
I thought the HS 55's might be to big for this little electric. Am I wrong in thinking that? I have some 55's in my inventory.

Steve_O
11-06-2005, 08:27 PM
oops. double post. sorry.

Steve_O
11-06-2005, 08:27 PM
By the way. Who cares the web site? It works.... :))

NitroCharged
11-06-2005, 09:32 PM
Well, as a webmaster, my thoughts are that for an internationally known brand, their site simply doesn't reflect the quality of their name or product. To skimp on what is essentially their face on the internet isn't going to do them any favours. I lasted 5 seconds on the site and shut the window down.
Presentation is everything.
First impressions last.

jm2cw while I wait for the first conversion to get posted (a few of the RCG guys are busy doing them as we speak!). :)

Steve_O
11-06-2005, 10:57 PM
Big deal.... so what.

NitroCharged
11-06-2005, 11:05 PM
..and big deal to your reply too... it was a personal comment for everyone else, not you - not an attack or flame. Suck your head in - we're not on RCG anymore.

Gullwing
11-06-2005, 11:12 PM
Hey guys not trying to get involved or make anyone mad but please keep this on topic. I am sure that I nor the others in this forum wants to see this. Do it by email............Please............GW

CPTSBW
11-07-2005, 02:44 AM
I think the 2 cell 7.4v Lip ETEC that N001 posted the link (ETC2502S) to look ideal. Right size and right type. Thanks for finding those. I will try and get some pictures uploaded for those that are interested.

As for shipping I got a confirmation email on 11/1 and arrival of 11/4.

CPTSBW
11-07-2005, 03:15 AM
Here are a couple of photos of how they look from the box, not yet assembled.

shark1016
11-07-2005, 03:49 AM
They look great can't wait to get my P-40 now I will probably get the etec lipo becuase its small and should fit right and give good flight time. I will post some photos of my P-40 when I get it ok.

CPTSBW
11-07-2005, 04:36 AM
OK, so I am working on the details. What servos is everyone planning to use here. I agree that the HS 55's may be too big. The listed "recommended" weight is 4-6 g and the 55's are 7.6 g So, here are the ones I am looking at, any comments welcome:

Cirrus CS201 is a 5 gram 7.99
TowerPro SG-50 5 gram 8.99
GWS PICO servo 5 gram 14.00

Share your thoughts!

shark1016
11-07-2005, 05:05 AM
I wanted to know if you break a prop what can you put on it do you have to buy one from Cox or can you put one of your choice:confused: Thanks.

CPTSBW
11-07-2005, 05:10 AM
Have not searched for other resources, but I called Cox and they said that props/parts are available and will be added to the website now that the planes are in stock. Guess we will have to wait and see. Both planes did come with one spare.

Steve_O
11-07-2005, 07:55 PM
Ok guys, here is what I am coming up with as a package of equipment.

AlleRC 300 mah Lipoly Pack 15.0 grams
Bluebird BMS-303 Servo 4.1 grams
Blue Arrow 10 amp ESC 7.1 grams
Bluebird BMR-04 Rx. 4.6 grams
Totals is 34.9 grams

Does this look like a good set up to you guys?

Thanks.

n001pa
11-07-2005, 08:02 PM
How much does the empty airframe weigh? I got conformation on my P-47 today so hopefully it will be here before the weekend.

Steve_O
11-07-2005, 08:30 PM
Good question. The Cox web site says a flying weight of 5 ounces but I don't find an airframe weight. Total for the equipment above is 1.23 ounces, leaving 3.77 to hit a total of 5. I will check the box tonight to see if it is listed. I don't have an accurate enough scale to check it correctly.

shark1016
11-07-2005, 10:16 PM
I got my P-40 today and I ordered everything I needed for it on allerc I also have already did the elevator and rudder now I just have to wait for the servos, receiver, esc, and battery. The plane is very nice and looks fun you fly but first I need to attempt to fly it before I say it flies good. Here is the list of the things I ordered for it:

- Battery Pack: 7.4 Volt 250 mAh ETEC Lithium Polymer Battery Pack
- Speed Controller: GWS ICS 300 LIPOLY READY SPEED CONTROL
- Receiver: GWS PICO RECEIVER/F HORIZONTAL PIN
- Servos: ALL E RC Micro6 Servo (2)

shark1016
11-08-2005, 06:05 AM
Here are the pictures of my P-40 I got it today and have been working on it some. I have already hinged the rudder and elevator it wasn't so hard and glued the control horns onto the elevator and rudder. Now I am just waiting for my servos-receiver-esc-battery. Here are a good amount of images to view bigger size just click on them:

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Had to change from imageshack it wouldn't let me upload these two becuase they was over 1mb but here are two more:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/shark1016/DCFC0099.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/shark1016/DCFC0097.jpg



******TO THE POST UNDER ME****** Yes you need a ESC 10 amp it says.

qban_flyer
11-08-2005, 06:22 AM
The ESC is not mentioned in the Includes list at all:

It includes a 1 piece snap-on wing, 130 size electric motor, 2 propellers, scale spinner, water transfer decals, charge-on/off switch plate, charge plug and control linkage. Everything you need to complete the model is included except for electronics and glue.

So an ESC is definitely needed since it is considered part of the "electronics" mentioned.:)

K5083
11-08-2005, 03:35 PM
Thanks for posting the pics, guys. It seems these puppies look nicer than we had allowed ourselves to expect. I appreciate the tips on what hardware to install, also, as I am pretty new to this.

I hope people buy lots of these so Cox realizes there is a market and releases a few more flavors. We need a Zero, a 109, and a 190.

August

qban_flyer
11-08-2005, 05:21 PM
YUP! I want a Zero!!!:D

RW650
11-08-2005, 07:31 PM
I got my P-40 today! I'll start on it tonight. The hobby shop didn't have a Corsair yet, but I ordered one. My buddy bought a P-47. Can't wait to get them up in the air!

n001pa
11-08-2005, 09:21 PM
I hope they build a 109!!

CorsairJock
11-09-2005, 01:37 PM
I have a converted (to R/C, electric power) Flying Styro Corsair, which is somewhat comparable to these Cox warbirds. With a 25" span and all up flying weight of just under 7 oz, it is slightly larger.

I am using 2 cell 600 mAh Li-Po, which weighs about 1 oz. I HIGHLY recommend Li-Po batteries to all of you. They weigh less and provided longer flight times. For these small planes, the difference in price (between Li-Po and Ni-Cads or NiMihs) is only a few dollars.


I am using a micro Rx which has built in ESC and BEC, bought it from Balsa Products ( http://www.balsapr.com/ , which BTW is an EXCELLENT source for electric power needs, especially micro stuff). Altho it has a 10 amp ESC in it, I am certain that a 5 amp speed control would have worked, as measured peak current draw (static) is 3 amps. That said, I would think that a 5 amp ESC would also work in these smaller warbirds.


Mine has many, many flights on it: it flies really great but needs near dead calm winds. When I take it to warbird event, it draws more attention than my 1/8 scale Corsairs.
I really like the looks of these Cox ones: they appear to have nice finish and without the decals already attached (leaves plenty of room for personalization).


Still waiting to hear flying reports. Also, what prices are you guys paying?

K5083
11-09-2005, 03:45 PM
Thanks CorsairJock for the tips.

I have been afraid to do a Flying Styro or Alpha because to me they seem too hot for real park flying. Although technically only a little larger, they seem to have considerably bigger motors and with the scale-like airfoils, and must need too much airspeed for my local parks. If I flew at RC fields, I would grab one for sure.

I am hoping these Cox models with their little motors and cambered airfoils fly much slower and fit more into the micro/park flyer class.

I agree about both LiPos and Balsa Products. While waiting for the Cox models to become available, I put together a hypothetical flight pack on their site (I love the "custom flight pack" feature). What does everyone think of this:

Blue Bird BMR-04 Horiz Pin RX, .19oz, $18.55
2x Hitec HS-55 servos, .54oz, $31.74
Blue Arrow 15-Amp ESC for brushed/2-LiPos, .25oz, $12.82
E-TEC 2-cell 450mAh LiPo, .87oz, $15.96

Total onboard component weight 1.85oz
Total onboard component cost $79.07

K5083
11-09-2005, 04:08 PM
Have not searched for other resources, but I called Cox and they said that props/parts are available and will be added to the website now that the planes are in stock. Guess we will have to wait and see. Both planes did come with one spare.

I would bet that you could use replacement props for the Cox Viper (free flight P-51), RC T-6 (really a Zero - to be adapted into a Cox Wings perhaps?), Estes Sky Rangers Fighter School (Zero again), and/or Estes Sky Rangers RC Fighter (P-40 - looks similar to Cox Wings). All available for 79 cents. I have a bunch of Fighter School props lying around from my vain attempts to make that piece of crud fly, so when I get my Cox Wings kit I will test.

August

n001pa
11-10-2005, 11:50 AM
Cox has very fast shipping:). They shipped mine out Monday and it arrived Wednesday. These things look really good:cool:. I got some weights for people to work with. Airframe weighs 49.3 grams. And with the motor and the charging/switch plate it weighs 72.7 grams.

I am thinking of the following.
HS55 servos-8 grams x 2
Hitec Micro 05S Receiver-8.6 grams
GWS 2 Amp ESC-4.5 grams
Etech 2 cell 250mah battery-14.46 grams

This gives an all up weight of 115.86 grams.The box says a flying weight of 142.7 grams. That only leaves a buffer of 27 grams for glue and decals. I am wanting to use this gear only because, with the exception of the battery, I have all the electronics or can get them from my LHS without having to order them. Does anybody think this setup could be possible:confused:?

qban_flyer
11-10-2005, 01:37 PM
This gives an all up weight of 115.86 grams.The box says a flying weight of 142.7 grams. That only leaves a buffer of 27 grams for glue and decals. I am wanting to use this gear only because, with the exception of the battery, I have all the electronics or can get them from my LHS without having to order them. Does anybody think this setup could be possible:confused:?

I don't think the water transfer decals and adhesive are going to weigh that much to begin with. I believe you are the right track and may end up with a model a wee bit lighter than specified, a good thing. :D

CorsairJock
11-11-2005, 04:01 PM
.........Does anybody think this setup could be possible:confused:?

I composed a long answer for this yesterday, but it got wiped out somehow when I tried to post it, so here is a shorter version:

Personnally, I would try to get these little aircraft as light as reasonably possible. Altho it may fly OK at 142 grams, it would undoubtedly fly much better if it were 10 grams (or so) lighter. There are 4 & 5 gram servos availabe for less than $20 each, some even made by a more well known maker: Cirrus. Using the 4 gram ones would save a total of 8 grams. There are also lighter RX & ESCs available: the Plantraco 4 ch. Rx with built in ESC that I have sell for about $50 without X'tal (another $7?), and weighs 4 grams less than your Rx and ESC combo.

But, if your LHS cannot get these items, and you prioritize loyalty to him over having a better flying aircraft, then your proposed setup would probably work.

n001pa
11-11-2005, 08:09 PM
It's not so much loyalty as it is impatience:D. Besides that, most of my LHS suck. If I have to order parts then I'll have to wait another week or two to work on it. Besides, I was checking last night and discovered that with the exception of the battery I have everything here now to get it airborn. I will have to ground another plane but that's OK with me. I am thinking about getting another one and going the light weight route with it. Then we can compare how well it flys heavy in wind and how well it flys light for indoor and all out speed.

shark1016
11-11-2005, 11:18 PM
So far I have soldered the battery, esc, motor, and charge plate wasn't that hard now I have found a place for my servos about to put them in after that all I have to do is glue it togather and put my elevator and rudder on and it will be flying hopefully. Not that far to go I should have it in the air sometime next week most likely Wednesday. I will post how it flies as soon as I get back from flying it.

This is what I put in it as you can see in the post above too.

- Battery Pack: 7.4 Volt 250 mAh ETEC Lithium Polymer Battery Pack
- Speed Controller: GWS ICS 300 LIPOLY READY SPEED CONTROL
- Receiver: GWS PICO RECEIVER/F HORIZONTAL PIN
- Servos: ALL E RC Micro6 Servo (2)

n001pa
11-14-2005, 08:23 AM
I have finished mine. It came in a little heavy at 147.5 grams but I hope it does OK. Lighter gear would have been nice but it would be hard to balance it. My gear is heavy and as far forward as I could get it and the cg looks good. Lighter gear will probably need nose weight added.

Here is what I used
Cirrus 6.5 servos
Electrafly C5 Nano ESC
FMA LVC (so I could use a non LiPo ESC)
JR Sport RS6UL receiver
Kokam 3 cell 340 mah LiPo

I know the 3 cell may be a bit much for it but I think it'll be OK. The extra power should even overcome the weight. I'll just have to watch the motor to see if I'm burning it up. As you can see it is very tight inside the fuse. Everything checks out and works good. I hope to fly it sometime in the next week but it may have to wait until next weekend because of work and weather. Wish me luck.


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CorsairJock
11-14-2005, 02:01 PM
..............Lighter gear would have been nice but it would be hard to balance it. My gear is heavy and as far forward as I could get it and the cg looks good. Lighter gear will probably need nose weight added.


Actually, much of your 'gear' (especially the servos) is AFT of the CG, and using lighter components would have made it easier to balance, and would have made nose weight LESS likely to be needed.

A friend of mine has a 3 cell L-Po pack in an aircraft which doesn't need all of that power, but he wanted a little more than a 2 cell pack would offer. So he is using the 3 cell, but set his ESC up so that it can not supply full voltage to his motor (maybe only 75 ~ 80%). I believe he disabled the auto set-up feature, or something like that. Something to consider if you are worried about burning up the motor.

qban_flyer
11-14-2005, 04:39 PM
I have finished mine. It came in a little heavy at 147.5 grams but I hope it does OK. Lighter gear would have been nice but it would be hard to balance it. My gear is heavy and as far forward as I could get it and the cg looks good. Lighter gear will probably need nose weight added.

Here is what I used
Cirrus 6.5 servos (@)
Electrafly C5 Nano ESC (@)
FMA LVC (so I could use a non LiPo ESC) (@)
JR Sport RS6UL receiver (@)
Kokam 3 cell 340 mah LiPo

I know the 3 cell may be a bit much for it but I think it'll be OK. The extra power should even overcome the weight. I'll just have to watch the motor to see if I'm burning it up. As you can see it is very tight inside the fuse. Everything checks out and works good. I hope to fly it sometime in the next week but it may have to wait until next weekend because of work and weather. Wish me luck.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/n003lb/th_DSCF0750.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/n003lb/DSCF0750.jpg)
I believe that being lightly heavier is NOT going to be lethal in this case, though I would have approached it differently.

I think having used lighter items in place of the components marked (@) would have effected a considerable weight reduction in your model. A Jeti 006 ESC is Li-Po compatible thus saving you weight in not only the G/P unit plus also the added weight savings of the LVC you purchased. I use LVCs devices on models much larger, where the extra weight does not matter.

As a previous poster stated, using smaller servos would have saved you weight in addition to making the model easier to balance. Same applies to the JR RX used. Others are not only smaller, but lighter also.

I honestly think you are going to be OK, though. Good looking model! :)

ForestCam
11-14-2005, 05:54 PM
Question for those that have these, is there no way to swap batteries or is it once assembled everything's in the fuze for the life of the plane?:confused:

n001pa
11-14-2005, 08:16 PM
Actually, much of your 'gear' (especially the servos) is AFT of the CG, and using lighter components would have made it easier to balance, and would have made nose weight LESS likely to be needed.

A friend of mine has a 3 cell L-Po pack in an aircraft which doesn't need all of that power, but he wanted a little more than a 2 cell pack would offer. So he is using the 3 cell, but set his ESC up so that it can not supply full voltage to his motor (maybe only 75 ~ 80%). I believe he disabled the auto set-up feature, or something like that. Something to consider if you are worried about burning up the motor.

You have a point on the servos but these were what I could get locally. I think I can limit the power with my radio but I am going to see how it does first. I built this plane using this gear because it is what is kept in stock at the LHSs. Also, with Kansas winds, I thought a slightly heavier model would be better. I am planning on building another one with the coreless motor and maybe a micro joules system or other very light gear.

Question for those that have these, is there no way to swap batteries or is it once assembled everything's in the fuze for the life of the plane?:confused:

Unless you modify the airframe, the battery is permanently mounted in. That's one of the major reasons why I decided to use the Lipo pack instead of a NiMh. I suppose you could modify it to make the Battery removable, but I did not want to tackle that.

E-Challenged
11-14-2005, 08:47 PM
I watched a P47 and Corsair fly a few days ago in 5mph breeze at Fairview Park, Costa Mesa CA. They were powered with 340mah 2S lipos and stock motors and props supplied. They use rudder, elevator and motor contol only, no ailerons as designed. The guy flying was good but planes were able to loop, barrel roll and climb and zip around with authority. The models are quite scale like and look like they belong on a stand as display models. They are very light and with the undercambered wings they fly bouyantly. I expect somebody to change them to aileron and elevator control. They should be able to fly in school gyms as well as in fairly calm outdoor weather. Only $20!!!!!!!!!!:)

olmod
11-15-2005, 01:39 AM
In God We Trust
Everyone Else
Pay Cash
What happens if a priest asks to charge it?:D

n001pa
11-15-2005, 09:26 AM
E-Challenged
Thanks for the report on how they fly. I am looking forward to flying mine but it may be a few days because the weatherman is calling for 25 to 30 mph winds with gusts 50 to 60 mph:eek:. Maybe this weekend.

olmod
I'm an equal opportunity discriminator;).
:D EVERYONE PAYS CASH!! :D

giflyrc
11-15-2005, 03:34 PM
Question for those that have these, is there no way to swap batteries or is it once assembled everything's in the fuze for the life of the plane?:confused:

I have the batt, a 3cell 340 lipo removable on my Viper and P40 through a removable canopy
It requires mounting the rest of the radio forward in the fuselage to get the proper CG
Sorry, no pics of the internals.

Roger aka GIFLYRC

n001pa
11-19-2005, 04:56 AM
I flew my P-47 this afternoon. The weight is not a problem as the plane has ample power to climb at a brisk pace. I did have some problems with the rudder though. With throttle there is absolutely no rudder response in either direction. If I kill the throttle then it turns. I think the propwash and air flow in flight must be flattening out the rudder. It looks ok when I test it on the ground so all I can think to do is try to stiffen the rudder up then try again. I have some very small tubes that I am going to slide over the control rods and see if that helps any. Just a suggestion to anyone else, you might want to invert the rudder servo so that the rod has a more straight shot to the rudder because I think that is where mine is bending. You could also try glueing some very small tubes in for the rods to run through. I will try again as soon as the wind dies down.

n001pa
11-19-2005, 05:31 AM
My second p-47 arrived today and I just picked up a GP Electrifly 350 mah 2 cell LiPo for it. The battery has two leads, one labeled charge and the other labeled discharge. The instructions for the battery say to conect the esc to the discharge lead and to charge through the charge lead. I'm sure I'm overlooking something simple here but is there any way to use this battery with the charging plate included with these planes?

qban_flyer
11-19-2005, 06:14 AM
My second p-47 arrived today and I just picked up a GP Electrifly 350 mah 2 cell LiPo for it. The battery has two leads, one labeled charge and the other labeled discharge. The instructions for the battery say to conect the esc to the discharge lead and to charge through the charge lead. I'm sure I'm overlooking something simple here but is there any way to use this battery with the charging plate included with these planes?

You can either hardwire the "charging" plug on the G/P battery to the charging affair in your Jug, or make an adapter so that you can mate it on one end to the battery charging plug and to the plane charging plug on the other one.

G/P battery packs (Li-Pos) are supposed to be charged through one and discharged through the other one. There is a PC board on top of the battery with some components soldered to it. I am sure the charging voltage has got to go through them before entering the cells.

If it was my plane I would hardwire since there isn't much room inside those planes. Less weight and less connectors equals less chances of something going south on you! :)

n001pa
11-19-2005, 06:49 AM
The problem is the switch and charging jack are one assembly. It is designed to solder the esc and the battery to points on the charging plate. There is no way that I can see to attach the charging lead to the plate because the discharge lead has to connect to it. I guess I could connect the discharge lead to the plate then route the charge lead somewhere else on the plane.

Steve_O
11-19-2005, 12:32 PM
Just FYI guys. I ordered this battery pack for my P 40 yesterday.
http://www.his-hershobbies.com/catalog/item/978479/576678.htm

shark1016
11-19-2005, 01:23 PM
Thats the one I got and it does provide good power for it I have not got to fly the plane but the motor at full throttle is really moving I will get to fly it as soon as I get out to the field which is going to be sometime next week. That battery is really small I mean man it weighs about the same as a dime or a nickel and is about the size of the end of your thumb :).

qban_flyer
11-19-2005, 02:52 PM
There is no way that I can see to attach the charging lead to the plate because the discharge lead has to connect to it. I guess I could connect the discharge lead to the plate then route the charge lead somewhere else on the plane.

I'm afraid that connector is going to stick out like a sore thumb on the side of the Jug, that's the way a very good friend of mine does his models when using the G/P packs. It's better than to canibalizing it in any other way. :)

n001pa
11-19-2005, 08:46 PM
I'm afraid that connector is going to stick out like a sore thumb on the side of the Jug

My thoughts exactly. I may just wait and get another battery for it. My brother got a Thunder Power 750 mah 2 cell for his Spit. Unfortunately, he got the last one in stock. In the mean time, Watt Flyer I is still flyable so I think I'll figure out the controls on it before I build Watt Flyer II.

qban_flyer
11-20-2005, 12:26 AM
My thoughts exactly. I may just wait and get another battery for it. My brother got a Thunder Power 750 mah 2 cell for his Spit. Unfortunately, he got the last one in stock. In the mean time, Watt Flyer I is still flyable so I think I'll figure out the controls on it before I build Watt Flyer II.

I am partial to Thunder Power packs. They are reliable, small and rather powerful too. Besides they are USA made! What more can we ask for? :D

Been using them for over two years now without a hitch. 90% of the club flyers swear by them, so a T/P will be a good choice. :)

I also use KOKAMs, G/Ps and E-tecs, but for my use T/Ps are my favorite.

Had a great day at the field trying out my new FMA M5 V2 RX. What an incredible little .3 oz. five channel device. Love it! Going back out there tomorrow again. :p

n001pa
11-20-2005, 05:25 AM
Nice to see that FMA RX is a good one. I am thinking of getting one of them for my next P-47.

I didn't get to fly any today because the winds stayed at around 20 all day.:( I don't think I have ever gotten to fly on my birthday. Maybe tomorrow.

qban_flyer
11-20-2005, 07:01 AM
Nice to see that FMA RX is a good one. I am thinking of getting one of them for my next P-47.

I didn't get to fly any today because the winds stayed at around 20 all day.:( I don't think I have ever gotten to fly on my birthday. Maybe tomorrow.

The FMA M5 v2 is a great receiver, can you imagine a five channel dual conversion RX @ .3 oz? When one thinks that it sells for $39.95 plus another $10 for the Xtal makes one wonder why should we use single conversion for $25 and chance getting shot down by stray 'interference'?

I've been using FMA RXs, servos and ESCs for almost five years now. So far reliability has been superb with all of their products. BTW: they also offer an upgrade to owners of the original M5 Rxs purchased before May '05. For $12 they will convert them to the v2 version which is more imprevious to extraneous signals.

All the M5 owner has to do is to mail it to them along with a check for $12 and they'll do the mod and ship it back. Shipping back to the owner is included in that $12. Details available on the FMA website and the upgrade offer is good 'till the end of the year.

A bargain if anyone asks me! :)

n001pa
11-24-2005, 09:25 AM
I finished a Spitfire for my brother. It has Micro Joules electronics, a ThunderPower 750 2 cell, and weighs 123 grams. We hope to maiden it this weekend if weather permits.

n001pa
11-24-2005, 09:25 AM
Sorry, the computer locked and double posted. Is there any way to delete a post just in case that ever happens again?

qban_flyer
11-24-2005, 04:16 PM
I finished a Spitfire for my brother. It has Micro Joules electronics, a ThunderPower 750 2 cell, and weighs 123 grams. We hope to maiden it this weekend if weather permits.

Hope it flies well. Let us know how it goes! :)

n001pa
11-25-2005, 12:00 AM
I just tried to fly my P-47 again. The key word here being "tried".;) I'm now thinking the weight is killing me.:confused: Control response is marginal at best. I really think it needs to be alot lighter and ailerons would help a great deal. If I had had ailerons it would probably have been alot better. I got several short flights trying different things when I finally cartwheeled it and broke the verticle. On the plus side, this thing is alot tougher than I thought it would be. I cartwheeled on every other "landing";) I did and it just kept popping the wing off.:D

I'm going to start on my other one. I will try to keep the weight down and I'm going to lock the rudder and add ailerons. We'll see if that helps.

We were going to fly my brothers Spit but he didn't have the control throws set up yet and it was getting dark fast so maybe tomorrow.

qban_flyer
11-25-2005, 02:07 AM
I'm going to start on my other one. I will try to keep the weight down and I'm going to lock the rudder and add ailerons. We'll see if that helps.

We were going to fly my brothers Spit but he didn't have the control throws set up yet and it was getting dark fast so maybe tomorrow.

Did you try increasing the rudder throw to see if that would help some? You don't mention 'lack of power' as being a problem. Did you have enough? If you do have enough power available, IMHO perhaps it would be worth trying that one again with vastly increased rudder and elevator throws.

n001pa
11-25-2005, 03:51 AM
My controls are set to maximum. The rudder is going so far that it's almost hitting the elevator. As for power, it climbs real good and seems to have more than enough power. I could actually hold altitude at about half throttle. And the motor, while running warm, is doing pretty good with the 3 cell. If you treid to run full throttle nonstop it would burn up but the plane doesn't need full power.

I think the problem is the small rudder is having trouble with the weight of the plane. I suppose I could attach some card stock to the rudder to increase the rudder surface but that wouldn't look very good so I think I'll try ailerons.

I would suggest to anyone else building one of these not to use servo tape for the servos. I did and the elevator servo came loose. It's tite in there trying to glue it back.:D On the plus side, I was able to get the rudder servo out without having to cut the plane up so I'm putting the ailerons on this one. I'll let everyone know how it works out.

qban_flyer
11-25-2005, 04:27 AM
Keep us posted! :)

flashover
11-25-2005, 04:56 AM
Looking at the other posts,It looks like these planes are similar in material and airfoil to a gws tigermoth.Am I right?They look really cool,but I am looking for a plane that could handle a bit more wind than my tiger moth.

n001pa
11-25-2005, 05:34 AM
The foam is much denser than a TM. As for wind, I know some people have been flying them in up to 15mph. I flew mine today in about 10mph but since I haven't gotten the plane set up good yet I can not say if it can handle much wind. It should do better than the TM though.

Twmaster
11-25-2005, 06:05 AM
I just ordered a Corsair and a P-40. Damn what a great price. Some yo-yo on FeeBay is trying to sell the Corsair for $55 BIN!

Twmaster
12-10-2005, 01:19 AM
Well I got my Corsair and P-40 the other day. Finally got the time to pull them out of the box and eyeball them. Funny but to me they look a lot like the things that FlyZone was selling as free flight electrics. (see here: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBDV7&P=FR) Even has the same power switch and charging jack! The screwdriver and props that came with the AT-6 (see below) are the same as the FlyZone planes.

Still a great deal for $20 IMHO. :)

I also bought the single channel 'AT-6' RTF plane. Looks more like a Zeke to me though. Was on sale for $20. I'm a sucker for a cute airplane toy! :D

timocharis
12-10-2005, 04:22 AM
Anybody done an aileron build yet? Any hints?


Dave

Turbojoe
12-24-2005, 11:44 PM
I got to see the Corsair fly today and all I can say is WOW! I couldn't believe something this small could fly so well. Even though I'm a foam hater I had to have one. Turns out I ordered two. The P-51 and the P-47. The Cox website says they are closed until the 2nd so I found THIS (http://www.lukesrcplanes.com/pb/wp_1af4e757/wp_1af4e757.html?0.8505359368759106) website. Both planes shipped will be $47.00. I even got an e-mail reply from him in about 5 minutes on Christmas Eve no less! They will ship Tuesday. I'm really looking forward to playing around with these. I've got a Medusa 12mm 4000kv motor that I may try to shoehorn in the Mustang.:eek:


Joe

GroundImpact
12-26-2005, 07:31 AM
I had to gear my Feagio with a GWS IPS gearbox, I tried direct drive and it flew great until the motor melted the foam. Hence why I geared it. You can shoe horn the gear box in there you just have to get creative.

C.

timocharis
12-26-2005, 05:19 PM
Got a Corsair for Xmas!

Gonna try an aileron build (though the Corsair makes it more complicated). Probably use a CDROM motor -- 12-turn underpropped at a guess. Maybe TP 730 lipo. Anybody think any particular servo has been better than others for these little birds? Or is it just "anything that fits?"


Dave

n001pa
12-26-2005, 07:58 PM
My brother used micro joules in his Spitfire. The servo horn can slip pretty easily.:confused: I'm not to impressed with them myself but they are lite.

I used cirrus 6.5 gram servos in my P-47. Weight wasn't a problem but it really needs ailerons. The rudder has little to no effect.:confused: I have another P-47 sitting here that I want to add ailerons to but I have to many other projects going right now.

Good luck with your Corsair and keep us posted as to how it turns out.

constantCrash
06-14-2007, 02:30 AM
Does anybody have a suggestion on how to split open the fuse of an RTF F4U? Mine's weight is really off and I'd like to re-distribute it. or is it a case of buy a kit and transfer the internals?

Thanks.