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QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:16 PM
We got the Hyperion Cub 10e for our online shop and I just had to build it. Sorry if this build thread goes a little slow, as I have limited time these days.

Here is the box as it comes from the dealer.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 1.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/HYPERION%20PIPER%20CUB%2010e%20ARF_files/Cub-10-BoxLabel-750.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:18 PM
Here are the larger parts from the kit.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 2.jpg

Here is the hardware and smaller parts that comes with the kit.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 3.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:23 PM
This is the Hyperion power set you get when you buy kit with the power set.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 4.jpg

This kit includes the power set which includes:
HP-Z2213-20 BRUSHLESS MOTOR
HP-TITAN-20 SPEED CONTROLLER
3.5 MM GOLD CONNECTORS
HP-ADAP-30L PROP ADAPTER

You could also buy the kit and use the Hacker A20-20L with the Hacker X-20 ESC or equivalent as well.

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:32 PM
Here are the accessories that I chose to comple the set.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 5.jpg

This includes:
The new Berg 7P seven channel progamable receiver and crystal.
4 Waypoint W-060BB sub micro servos.
2 4 inch servo extensions to make wing removal easier.
The two recommended props APC 9x4.5e and APC 9x6e.
2 packs of the Dubro Mini E/Z Connectors
1 HYPERION LITESTORM VX1500-3S (11.1 VOLT) LIPOLY PACK
1 HYPERION 11.1 VOLT 2100 MAH 16C LIPOLY PACK
Deans connectors

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:34 PM
Here one half of the wing. The first step is to cut open the covering for the servo tray and servo wire exit hole.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 6.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:39 PM
I installed the CA hinges for the ailerons.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 7.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:41 PM
Servos are installed. With these servos, an extension is required as the wires barely make it our the servo wire exit holes.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 8.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:44 PM
Aileron servo horns and push rods installed. The plywood wing joiner sits between the two wing halves.
(http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub%20build%209.jpg)http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 9.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:46 PM
After lightly sanding the wing joiner and used 15-minute epoxy to join the 2 halves of the wing together. The joiner does provide slight dihedral in the wing.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 10.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-23-2006, 05:52 PM
Next up: installation of the stabilizer and vertical fin. The rudder and elevator are joined with covering and do not require hinges. I should get to this step later today or tomorrow.

clarinetjd
09-23-2006, 08:10 PM
Thanks for doing this thread. Looking good so far! Keep up the good work!

Superstar
09-23-2006, 09:38 PM
Hi,

I've been looking for some information on this model ever since I saw one on a stand at out Nationals in the UK but so far nothing's appeared so I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops. The initial thread where you mentioned you were going to do an online build was my main reason for joining this forum!

Twmaster
09-24-2006, 12:53 AM
Excellent Chris. Thanks for doing this. I -am- watching with much interest.

QuietRCFly
09-24-2006, 04:27 AM
Thanks all!

I did a little more and will get the pics up in the morning. One note, though the instructions stated the elevator and rudder are attached with covering instead of hinges, that is not correct. The rudder has CA hinges. They must have made a change after the instructions were done.

QuietRCFly
09-24-2006, 09:55 PM
Here I had to cut the covering to open up the slot for the horizontal stabilizer. The old trim iron came in handy here as well.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 11.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-24-2006, 09:57 PM
Here is the horizontal and verticle stabilizers. The elevator is hinged with the covering. The rudder with CA hinges.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 12.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-24-2006, 09:59 PM
I cut and removed the covering so I could glue the horizontal stabilizer.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 13.jpg

Here it is installed. Used 15-minute epoxy.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 14.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-24-2006, 10:00 PM
Her you can see the CA hinges for the rudder.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 15.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-24-2006, 10:01 PM
I had to remove the covering to install the stabilizer. Her it is glued with 15-minute epoxy.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 16.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-24-2006, 10:03 PM
Here is the entire tails section complete. Use CA for the CA hinges on the rudder.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 17.jpg

clarinetjd
09-25-2006, 12:24 AM
Nice progress Chris!

Questions on the hinges for the ailerons and the rudder: were the slots pre-cut or did you have to do that? Was the hinge material included with the kit or do you have a favorite material? I assume some extra matching covering material was supplied for the elevator hinge?

QuietRCFly
09-25-2006, 12:37 AM
Nice progress Chris!

Questions on the hinges for the ailerons and the rudder: were the slots pre-cut or did you have to do that? Was the hinge material included with the kit or do you have a favorite material? I assume some extra matching covering material was supplied for the elevator hinge?

The hinge slots for the aileron and rudder were pre-cut and the CA hinges were already inserted. The elevator just came with the covering hinge attached and ready to go. Otherwise I would have used CA hinges. There is no extra covering with the kit.

QuietRCFly
09-26-2006, 04:00 AM
Here, I got the control horns installed on the elvator and rudder. Yes the one on the rudder is crooked! My bad. The guide tube for the push rods were already installed. I just had to find the opening under the covering, slit it open and insert the push rods.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 18.jpg

I don't like the fact that the screws provide poke out the other side. I will have to get out the Dremel and cut off the tips!
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 19.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-26-2006, 04:03 AM
Here again, like the aileron servos, I had to lengthen the servo tray to fit the servos. Like I said before, I am using the smallest recommended servos. Take care doing this, as I broke one of the aileron servo mounts by puting too much pressure on it. It was easily fixed, but I would rather not have to deal with it.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 20.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-27-2006, 04:18 AM
Well I have installed the rudder and elevator servos. Again, I used Waypoint W-060BB Servos and Dubro Mini E/Z Connectors to attach the servo arm to the push rods.

I am now going to work on the landing gear, which should not take too long and move on to the motor mount. I will try to post pictures a little later, but the pics may have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry!

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 05:11 AM
Here the servos are now installed. I used the Dubro Mini E/Z Connectors to connect the servo arms to the push rods.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 21.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 05:14 AM
I cut the covering in the track for the landing gear. I used my trim iron to fix the covering into the groove. There is one piece of wire for the landing gear for each wheel. One end of each is inserted into the hole to keep it in place.
(http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub%20build%2022.jpg)http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 22.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 05:16 AM
I used the supplied plastic retainer plates and screws to hold the gear in place.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 23.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 05:18 AM
Here you can see all of the landing gear in this pic.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 24.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 05:20 AM
The wheels are then installed using the two wheel collars, one on each side. I was missing two of the wheel collars. Not sure if they were missing or I somehow misplaced them. I will have to get replacements to install the other wheel.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 25.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 05:23 AM
Here is the outrunner motor mount assembly. I used 15 minute epoxy to put it together. I had the Hyperion power set with the outrunner motor, but this kit also comes with a stick mount option if you have a motor with a stick mount.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 26.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 05:27 AM
Here is the outrunner mount installed on the fuselage. The motor mount was very easy to asseble. The holes for the motor firewall mount are pre-drilled. While the instructions say to mount the motor now, I still need to solder the connectors to it, so I will move on with the rest of the build first.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 27.jpg

Here is a wider shot of the mount.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 28.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 05:33 AM
I will continue working, but might not post pics until this weekend. I need to cut the covering to add the clear plastic window, mount the cowl and add the struts. As well as solder the connectors to the motor and esc and add the receiver.

clarinetjd
09-28-2006, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the updates. Progressing nicely! I assume the motor will be mounted with the radial mount on front of the assembled box? From the photos, it looks like the cowl might just barely fit.

QuietRCFly
09-28-2006, 03:04 PM
I assume the motor will be mounted with the radial mount on front of the assembled box? From the photos, it looks like the cowl might just barely fit.

Yes, that would be correct. I was also thinking it looks like it might barely fit, but should be fine, since it was designed around this motor.

Thanks for the positive comments as well!

Smooth Spanky
09-30-2006, 12:58 PM
QuietRC:
Nice job on the build pics, keep 'em comin'! I've not managed to get mine out of the box yet, but by the looks of the weather outside I'll get a chance this weekend.

SS

QuietRCFly
09-30-2006, 05:45 PM
Thanks, I have more done and will post some more pics this afternoon.

Twmaster
09-30-2006, 07:10 PM
This is looking very nice. Could you post some close ups of the cowl when you get a chance? (no hurry)

--
Mike N

QuietRCFly
09-30-2006, 07:30 PM
This is looking very nice. Could you post some close ups of the cowl when you get a chance? (no hurry)

--
Mike N

No problem. I will take some later today when I post the other pics. I'll take one before and one after I trim it.

QuietRCFly
09-30-2006, 11:58 PM
Here I have cut the covering for the windows and used my trim iron seal the extra trim to the inside of the window rims.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 29.jpg

QuietRCFly
09-30-2006, 11:59 PM
Here the windows are installed. The side windows are glued in with CA. The front window/canopy is held on by screws on either side of the fuse.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 30.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 12:02 AM
The wing is held on by two bolts. There is an extra piece on top of the wing. The recepters are pre threaded and ready to go inside of the fuse. I did have to cut the holes in the covering and the plate, but the holes are pre-drilled as well.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 32.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 12:05 AM
Here you can see the plane so far with the wing installed.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 31.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 12:08 AM
Here is the battery hatch. Both the pictorial and written instructions say to use a screw to hold it in place, but there is a magnet pre-installed in the fuselage where you would screw it into place. Instead, I stuck a bolt through from the under side of the hatch door. This will hold to the magnet and give me a pull to open the hatch.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 33.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 34.jpg


And installed.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 35.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 12:12 AM
Here are the picture of the cowl I promised. The first is before trimming, the second is after and the third is on the plane. It is just sitting on the fuse, as I have not yet screwed it into place. I want to finish the motor installation first.
Please Note: The cowl is very brittle. Be very careful when trimming.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 36.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 37.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 38.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 01:08 AM
Somehow I missed the tail dragger in the back. I just added it. I had to screw a hole for the end to insert and then screwed in the plastic retainer to hold it in place.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 39.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 01:11 AM
I found my wheel collars! They were in a separate package of 4 in the box, so I missed it. The regular hardware set only had two, so that may be why they added the 4 pack.

I got two from a friend as replacements, but now I can just return them.

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 01:13 AM
Just an aside, I saw the movie "Flyboys" today. The flying was very cool, but the story was a little iffy. It was entertaining, but we really go for the popcorn anyway!

I need to find some WWI planes for the shop!

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 09:13 PM
The motor is mounted.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 40.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 09:15 PM
Here are a couple of pictures of the cowl and prop after installation.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 41.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 42.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 09:22 PM
Here is what I have left to complete the build:

Install receiver (Berg 7p) and connect all the wires from servos and ESC.

Install the wing and landing gear struts.

Add decals.

Superstar
10-01-2006, 11:07 PM
Really enjoying this build, showing just what I wanted to know. Looking forward to seeing how the model flies.

If I was to go for an Axi rather than the Hyperion Z2213-20, which would you go for?

QuietRCFly
10-01-2006, 11:52 PM
Really enjoying this build, showing just what I wanted to know. Looking forward to seeing how the model flies.

If I was to go for an Axi rather than the Hyperion Z2213-20, which would you go for?

Thanks!

Alternative power sources:

AXI 2212/20 or another 2212 series motor. Hobby-Lobby has the silver series of this motor on sale, but I don't know when it ends.

Hacker A20-20L (on sale this week on our website, sorry for the ad!)

You can also use a stick mount for a motor with a gearbox, but I have no specific recommendations there.

Twmaster
10-02-2006, 03:50 AM
That is shaping up very nicely. I am assuming the cowl gets decals for the cylinder heads?

One thing I have noticed with several Cub ARFs is that the tires appear to be waaaaay too small in relation to the full scale tires in comparison to the airframe.

DO you have a AUW yet?

Twmaster
10-02-2006, 03:52 AM
Thanks!

Alternative power sources:

AXI 2212/20 or another 2212 series motor. Hobby-Lobby has the silver series of this motor on sale, but I don't know when it ends.

Hacker A20-20L (on sale this week on our website, sorry for the ad!)

You can also use a stick mount for a motor with a gearbox, but I have no specific recommendations there.

Just an FYI, the E-Flite 400-920 outrunner is identical in size, mounting and power ratings to the AXi 2212/26 Gold.

Since I have a couple of these motors in my spares box this Cub might be the ticket.

QuietRCFly
10-02-2006, 04:31 AM
That is shaping up very nicely. I am assuming the cowl gets decals for the cylinder heads?

That is correct.

DO you have a AUW yet?

Not yet. I will try to get that for you as soon as I can.

QuietRCFly
10-02-2006, 04:32 AM
Just an FYI, the E-Flite 400-920 outrunner is identical in size, mounting and power ratings to the AXi 2212/26 Gold.

Since I have a couple of these motors in my spares box this Cub might be the ticket.

I have no experience with the E-Flite motors, but if its the same size, I'm sure it would work out just fine.

QuietRCFly
10-02-2006, 04:35 AM
I did not get any more done today. Since we have Boy Scouts tomorrow night, I don't expect to get much done then either. Hopefully I can get it done Tuesday/Wednesday night and I will try to post final pics Wednesday or Thursday.:D

alienx
10-02-2006, 05:51 PM
Looks like a very nice kit and build. Did I miss the link to the kit or the price in here someplace?

Had I know about this one, I think it would have been a no-brainer versus my greenrc cub.

Nice thread!

QuietRCFly
10-02-2006, 06:05 PM
Looks like a very nice kit and build. Did I miss the link to the kit or the price in here someplace?

Had I know about this one, I think it would have been a no-brainer versus my greenrc cub.

Nice thread!

Thanks!

The kit is $99.95
http://www.quietrcflying.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=HP-CUB-10

The kit with the power set is $194.95
http://www.quietrcflying.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=HP-CUB10-PS

I used the kit that included the power set, but as listed above, you could use any number of motors. We also carry the Hacker A20-20L that would also work and is roughly equivalent to the Hyperion motor.

Also, we have a deal for first time customers where you can save 10% on your first order. Details are on our homepage: http://www.quietrcflying.com

Thanks again!

alienx
10-02-2006, 06:11 PM
Thanks. Going to be watching this one!!

Andy

Tintin
10-04-2006, 11:07 AM
Could this Cub be fitted with floats?

In case, what size floats would be suitable?

Can that stand be bought somewhere?

QuietRCFly
10-04-2006, 05:59 PM
Could this Cub be fitted with floats?

In case, what size floats would be suitable?

Can that stand be bought somewhere?

I would think you could add floats, but Hyperion has not designed for this plane. They also have a sililarly sized Cessna coming out. It would be great if they produced floats to work with them both.

You would need to find floats for a .10 size plane. I did a quick search and could not find any. The GWS floats might work, but I think they are meant for even smaller planes, like the E-Starter and Beaver.

If you find any .10 sized floats let me know. I would be interested.

Regarding the stand. I purchased it at the NW Hobby Expo a couple years ago from a guy in the swap meet area who builds them himself. It really is a great stand and the width is adjustable in the front, so you can use it for different sizes of planes or to hold the fuse in different spots. If I recall there is a sticker on it with his name and phone. I will check tonight when I get home and will also look to see if he has a website. He had all different sizes and I think he even had flight boxes.

Tintin
10-04-2006, 08:41 PM
Great.
I've been told the real Cubs with floats use rather large floats. If I find something that fits I'll let you know. I've had a tip on the Estarter floats.
I'm thinking of skis too as I have a nice field to fly off in the winter but don't know what size to use here either.

If you could find a link to the guy with the stand I'd appriciate it.
If not, if you could give me some decent pictures and measurements I could have my father make one, he's more into carpenting then me. ;)

Guess these are too small too.
http://aircraft-world.com/shopexd.asp?id=3475

QuietRCFly
10-05-2006, 12:51 AM
Guess these are too small too.
http://aircraft-world.com/shopexd.asp?id=3475 (http://aircraft-world.com/shopexd.asp?id=3475)

Actually the #1808 floats would probably work, but I don't think the gear would work. It look like it is designed for a profile type plane, but you could probably make your own gear with some piano wire. You would have to figure out how to attach in the back as well. This plane was not designed with that potential in mind, so there is not gear mount in the back.

QuietRCFly
10-05-2006, 04:02 AM
If you could find a link to the guy with the stand I'd appriciate it.
If not, if you could give me some decent pictures and measurements I could have my father make one, he's more into carpenting then me. ;)


I spoke with the gentleman about his fuselage holders on the phone. It does not sound like he makes much any more, but has the parts for one it sounds like. He is an older genleman and he does not have a website. And is is probably unlikely he takes credit cards, PayPal or will ship internationaly, if he ships at all. I can PM his phone if you are interested. He is located in Everett, WA. Otherwise, I can probably take some measurements for you this weekend.

Tintin
10-05-2006, 08:36 AM
If I cannot pay him fairly easy it would be simpler if you could supply me with a couple of pics and some measurements. My 80 year old father doesn't mind helping out :D and he probabbly has suitable materials in his workshop. Really would appriciate that.
I'm getting the Cub today or tomorrow so I'll see if I can get any ideas as to how to mount the floats.

QuietRCFly
10-05-2006, 04:37 PM
I hope to finish up tonight, so I will try to post the final pics today or tomorrow. I think there is good weather for Saturday in the Seattle area, so we may be able to do the maiden.

A couple notes:

I got the ESC programed using the Hyperion Titan ESC PC Programming cable (with the USB adapter). I was suprised to find it was set up for NiCad/NiMH, as I expected it to be set for a 3 Cell Lipo. You can adjust the voltage cut off to as high as 3.1V per cell. I went with 3V. I felt it important to set the cutoff, as I have heard others say the default from the factory for the Hyperion ESC's is 2.8V, which most agree is too low.

Also, if you are using a smaller reciever, like the Berg 7P, like me, the Hyperion Standard Servo Extension may be too thick to use. I had difficulty attaching the servo extensions from the aileron servo, especially into channel 5 for the left aileron. I may have to file it or see if my generic servo extensions will work better. I will order some of the Hyperion Light Servo Extensions for the shop, as I believe they are better for this situation. I don't believe you would have a problem with an Electron 6 or other larger receiver.

QuietRCFly
10-05-2006, 04:39 PM
If I cannot pay him fairly easy it would be simpler if you could supply me with a couple of pics and some measurements. My 80 year old father doesn't mind helping out :D and he probabbly has suitable materials in his workshop. Really would appriciate that.
I'm getting the Cub today or tomorrow so I'll see if I can get any ideas as to how to mount the floats.

I will do that for you this weekend. PM or send me you email address via email and I will send them when I have a chance.

Cessna on floats
10-05-2006, 05:56 PM
They also have a sililarly sized Cessna coming out. It would be great if they produced floats to work with them both.
Hello

Do you know when this Cessna would be released ?

QuietRCFly
10-05-2006, 06:00 PM
Hello

Do you know when this Cessna would be released ?

David Radford, of Hyperion and Aircraft World, said probably the end of November. I'm not sure if that was the date they ship to the distributors, or the date expected at the distributors. It would be nice to have them in stock for Christmas.

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 04:56 AM
Here is a picture of the wing and gear struts. The wing struts screw in easily.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 43.jpg

The gear struts are attached with a little plastic U shaped piece ahd CA glue.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 44.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 05:01 AM
Here are some pics of the completed plane and decals. Sorry, a couple are a little blury.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 45.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 46.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 47.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 48.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 49.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 05:02 AM
And my personal favorite.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 50.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 05:05 AM
If the weather is better tomorrow, as expected we will try to do the maiden. I will take some more pictures and report back tomorrow or Sunday.

I will also get the AUW tomorrow as well with an without the battery, so you can add the weight of your battery to get a final weight.

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 06:34 AM
Just a couple more observations:

It looks like it will be closer to balanced with the 2100 mAH battery. It is tail heavy with the 1500.

The gear struts are not very good. I was installing the battery and I put a little pressure on one and it just snapped off. It just glued right back on. I had actually considered leaving them off. The wings struts are fine, as they are screwed in.

clarinetjd
10-07-2006, 10:45 AM
And my personal favorite.


Precious!

Great job on the build photos (especially this one!).

Can't wait to hear about the maiden. Any chance for video?

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 08:03 PM
Precious!

Great job on the build photos (especially this one!).

Can't wait to hear about the maiden. Any chance for video?

Sorry, no video. My buddy who usually brings the video camera decided not to show!

I will post pics and give a review in a little while.

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 08:37 PM
Realizing I have flown very little this year, since I have been focusing on getting the business up and running, I let my friend takeoff and trim it out for me before handing me the controls. We only needed a little down trim to keep it flying level at the desired cruising speed, but probably did not even need to trim the plane.

This is a very stable flyer! While Cubs are not typically considered good trainers, this was extremely stable, with good self correcting tendancies and would not be bad at all as a trainer. Very smooth and very easy to fly. It also had good stall charateristics. The Cub taxied over the (very short) grass runway without a problem. It has the same size wheels as the Hyperion P-51, which also flies great off of this runway, but had troubles at a runway with longer grass. So I would recommend short grass or smooth surface.

The Hyperion 16C 2100mAh battery was perfect for balancing the plane, but was almost as far forward as we could get it. The 1500 would be lighter, but you might have to add a little balast to the nose to balance get the right CG. I did not time it, but I believe we flew for 8-10 minutes and still had 11.5v left on the battery, so you will get excellent flight times with the 2100 under normal flying. I don't think we flew it much at more than half throttle.

This is nice, easy flying plane and looks great. I would highly recommend this kit (and not just because I sell them). I don't think you would be dissapointed. I don't know that it would be a great first plane, but maybe a second plane and/or aileron trainer, it would be perfect.

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 08:40 PM
Here is the battery in the installed through the hatch.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 51.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 08:43 PM
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 52.jpg

(http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub%20build%2053.jpg)http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 53.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 54.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 55.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 08:44 PM
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 56.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 57.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 58.jpg

http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 59.jpg

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 08:45 PM
http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub build 60.jpg (http://www.quietrcflying.com/images/cub_build/cub%20build%2060.jpg)

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 08:47 PM
Sorry, I meant to get the AUW, but my buddy forgot his scale. I really need to get a new one! I will either borrow or buy one early next week and report back.

QuietRCFly
10-07-2006, 09:06 PM
Thanks for following the thread and please let me know if you have any questions about anything I failed to mention or any comments.

Thanks!

Tintin
10-08-2006, 10:08 AM
Super report Chris, Now I'm really looking forward to getting mine airborne.
Is it possible to use slightly bigger wheels to be able to take off not only from "greens", it irritates the local golfers when I do :D

QuietRCFly
10-08-2006, 04:57 PM
Is it possible to use slightly bigger wheels to be able to take off not only from "greens", it irritates the local golfers when I do :D
Yes, you could easily use bigger wheels.

Terry Rigden
10-08-2006, 07:49 PM
Chris

thansk for an excellent build thread. Looking forward to finding out what the AUW is.

Regards

Terry Rigden

QuietRCFly
10-10-2006, 01:08 AM
OK, here is the AUW.

As flown, with the Hyperion 11.1v 2100mAh 16C Lipo: 27.6 oz
With the recommended Hyperion 11.1V 1500mAh 20C Lipo: 26.3 oz
Plane without battery: 22.0 oz

Note: Both batteries had Deans Ultra connectors.

QuietRCFly
10-10-2006, 01:15 AM
OK, here is the AUW.

As flown, with the Hyperion 11.1v 2100mAh 16C Lipo: 27.6 oz
With the recommended Hyperion 11.1V 1500mAh 20C Lipo: 26.3 oz
Plane without battery: 22.0 oz

I think I mentioed this earlier, but the 2100mAh battery got was the closest to the proper CG. With the recommended 1500 and a Tanic 1550, the model was tail heavy.

Tintin
10-10-2006, 09:05 AM
Thanks Chris, then I'll order some so I can use the same grass field I use for helis. Great that it balances well with the 2100 pack as I have 4 from my TRex that I then can use.

Started building yesterday. Got the ailerons in place as well as aileron servos.

Looks like it's gonna be a great littel machine

stents3
10-10-2006, 05:50 PM
Hi guys Just thought I'd pop in on this thread. Really great. I'm just finishing up my build of the Cub,should maiden it this weekend(weather permitting). The bottom line is the overall appearance and of course the flying characteristics of the Cub. Should be, by all accounts, a gentle flyer and a lot of fun. It will be a welcome change for me as I'm now flying the Ultrafly Ultimate bipe and the Katana Mini( you really have to stay on the sticks with thiese birds).I bought the Hyperion Cub because I've always loved the classic lines of a cub and this one just fit the bill. I've been following this thread and can say how much it has incurrouged me to first buy and build this guy. Looking forward to a "change of pace" flying. Will try to post some pictures (just sold my digital camera and am in the processes of ordering another ) as soon as possible. Once again ,thanks for a great build thread.

QuietRCFly
10-10-2006, 05:58 PM
Hi guys Just thought I'd pop in on this thread. Really great. I'm just finishing up my build of the Cub,should maiden it this weekend(weather permitting). The bottom line is the overall appearance and of course the flying characteristics of the Cub. Should be, by all accounts, a gentle flyer and a lot of fun. It will be a welcome change for me as I'm now flying the Ultrafly Ultimate bipe and the Katana Mini( you really have to stay on the sticks with thiese birds).I bought the Hyperion Cub because I've always loved the classic lines of a cub and this one just fit the bill. I've been following this thread and can say how much it has incurrouged me to first buy and build this guy. Looking forward to a "change of pace" flying. Will try to post some pictures (just sold my digital camera and am in the processes of ordering another ) as soon as possible. Once again ,thanks for a great build thread.

Good luck with your maiden. I think you will like the change of pace, as it is a really gently flyer.

Smooth Spanky
10-11-2006, 01:20 AM
Chris:
Congrats with the maiden and thanks for all the pics. Mine still is sitting in the box...doggone job keeps getting in the way of my fun!

Have the buddy bring his video camera. Must...have.....video....

QuietRCFly
10-11-2006, 01:26 AM
Chris:
Congrats with the maiden and thanks for all the pics. Mine still is sitting in the box...doggone job keeps getting in the way of my fun!

Have the buddy bring his video camera. Must...have.....video....

I just know if he does that, I'll pitch it into the ground and have to do the "repair thread". Its one of those Murphy's Law things!:o

alienx
10-11-2006, 05:51 PM
Nice job and thanks for the thread. I am inspired to finish my Cub now.

stents3
10-14-2006, 09:02 PM
Hi guys Well I was able to get in a few flights this morning at the local school I fly at. Maiden flight was hairy,she rolled severly to the left on lift off.I was able to gain control with a lot of right rudder and got her up to where I trimmed it out. Nice and steady,a pleasure to fly. I noticed she still rolled to the left when power was applied,and it accured to me that there was'nt any right or down thrust built in to the motor mount. I'm using the Ultrafly FRIO 10 which is rated at about 150 watts,so it's diffinitely torgue causing the problem. I'll try shimming the motor to get some right and down thrust dialed in. I'll see if I can get back out tomorrow and see how it goes.I figured I'd just mention the "thrust problem" for what it's worth. Maybe anyone who's still in the building stage may want to look at this.

ozzybear
10-15-2006, 07:11 AM
I maidened my cub today with no alteration to the motor mount. ROG fairly straight and only needed couple of cliks of down to trim straight and level at half throttle.

ozzybear
10-15-2006, 07:59 AM
This is the first "wooden" ARF I have built and was quite dissapointed given Hyperion's excellent reputation. In particular-

1) Poor covering - many wrinkles and loose covering.
2) Contol wire too small in diameter compared to the hole diameter of the supplied horns - creates control slack. I used proper sized snap links the and cyanoed the supplied wire to the links after cutting off the z bends and bending on itself.
3) The rudder and elevator screws are too long and no safety back plate is supplied. I discarded them and used horns with bolts and backplates for security reasons.
4) Only 2, not 4 wheel collets supplied.
5) One servo mounting back support piece fell off whilst light trimming to size.
6) Wing mounting holes out by about 2-3 mm.
7) No mention of dihedral brace to be fitted one way only. May cause beginner to glue up wing incorrectly. Also obsure that epoxy is needed on brace as well as ribs.
8) No mention of air cooling entry and exit holes.
9) Battery hatch too long to fit nicely.
10) I will think of no 10 later!!!!

But it did fly straigth and true with no vices obvious on first flight.

ozzybear
10-15-2006, 11:34 AM
Yes - Number 10) Matt grey corrosion product on one wheel leg.

Tannen45
10-15-2006, 12:51 PM
This is the first "wooden" ARF I have built and was quite dissapointed given Hyperion's excellent reputation. In particular-

1) Poor covering - many wrinkles and loose covering.
2) Contol wire too small in diameter compared to the hole diameter of the supplied horns - creates control slack. I used proper sized snap links the and cyanoed the supplied wire to the links after cutting off the z bends and bending on itself.
3) The rudder and elevator screws are too long and no safety back plate is supplied. I discarded them and used horns with bolts and backplates for security reasons.
4) Only 2, not 4 wheel collets supplied.
5) One servo mounting back support piece fell off whilst light trimming to size.
6) Wing mounting holes out by about 2-3 mm.
7) No mention of dihedral brace to be fitted one way only. May cause beginner to glue up wing incorrectly. Also obsure that epoxy is needed on brace as well as ribs.
8) No mention of air cooling entry and exit holes.
9) Battery hatch too long to fit nicely.
10) I will think of no 10 later!!!!

But it did fly straigth and true with no vices obvious on first flight.


I'm also disappointed with this cub for all the reasons stated by ozzybear, but I did not even get it off the ground!

ROG from the road, no right thrust in the motor mount caused the plane to vear left straight into the gutter.

This smashed the cowl and ripped the (weak) motor mount from the fuselage.

Now I find out Hyperion doesn't even stock replacement cowls for this plane!

Wish I got the World Models version instead.:(

Tannen45
10-15-2006, 12:58 PM
A couple more to add to the list of problems -

- I spent an hour delicately putting the decals on and still ended up with many wrinkles/bubbles.
- Weight came out MUCH heavier than specified even using all recommended parts.
- Battery hatch was missing the magnet to attach to the fuselage.

QuietRCFly
10-15-2006, 05:10 PM
This smashed the cowl and ripped the (weak) motor mount from the fuselage.

Now I find out Hyperion doesn't even stock replacement cowls for this plane!

Hyperion does make spare cowls. I just received them and will get them up on our website later today.

QuietRCFly
10-15-2006, 06:01 PM
1) Poor covering - many wrinkles and loose covering.
Yes I noticed this as well on the tail pieces in particular, but a heat helped considerably.


3) The rudder and elevator screws are too long and no safety back plate is supplied. I discarded them and used horns with bolts and backplates for security reasons.
I noted that as well. I like your solution better, but I just left it as is.


4) Only 2, not 4 wheel collets supplied.
The kits from the US distributor had an extra pack of wheel collets, apparently realizing the problem. At first I had the same problem, but found the packet in the box.


6) Wing mounting holes out by about 2-3 mm.
I did not experience that problem. I felt it had a good tight fit.


7) No mention of dihedral brace to be fitted one way only. May cause beginner to glue up wing incorrectly. Also obsure that epoxy is needed on brace as well as ribs.
I see you are right on that note as well, I guess since I knew what to look for, so I did not even think about it, but good point.


8) No mention of air cooling entry and exit holes.
I don't think this is a problem when flying as a Cub is intended, but if you want to go all out and perform aerobatics, it may be a good idea. With the recommended power set, prop and battery you shouldn't be pushing the limits of ESC or battery.


9) Battery hatch too long to fit nicely.
It was snug, but helps to keep it on during flight.

QuietRCFly
10-15-2006, 06:03 PM
Yes - Number 10) Matt grey corrosion product on one wheel leg.

I definately did not have that.

Tannen45
10-15-2006, 11:52 PM
Hyperion does make spare cowls. I just received them and will get them up on our website later today.


Thanks Chris,

I emailed Aircraft-World.com a few weeks back and the reply was that they did not have any and didn't know when they would.

I'm sorry about my negative posts. I guess the fact that I smashed the plane on maiden (probably my fault) sullied my opinion of this plane.

To be fair, up until that point I was extremely happy with how it looked and went together as my first non foam ARF.

Since then I've gone back to foam, flying an E-Starter, Parkzone FW-190 and Stryker.

Today I plan to maiden my Hyperion Super Chipmunk 10E, which is by far the best model I own. Very high quality.:)

QuietRCFly
10-16-2006, 12:00 AM
Thanks Chris,

I emailed Aircraft-World.com a few weeks back and the reply was that they did not have any and didn't know when they would.

I'm sorry about my negative posts. I guess the fact that I smashed the plane on maiden (probably my fault) sullied my opinion of this plane.

To be fair, up until that point I was extremely happy with how it looked and went together as my first non foam ARF.

Since then I've gone back to foam, flying an E-Starter, Parkzone FW-190 and Stryker.

Today I plan to maiden my Hyperion Super Chipmunk 10E, which is by far the best model I own. Very high quality.:)

No problem. The E-Starter was my first plane and I enjoyed it. It probably weighed twice as much as when I started from all the epoxy from my repairs!

Let me know how the Chipmunk flies. I have had people ask about it, but I have not yet tried it and there have been very few posts regarding the plane and how it flies. Did it go together well? Did you like the quality better than the Cub?

Tannen45
10-16-2006, 12:02 PM
I don't want to hijack this thread but I flew the Hyperion Chipmunk today and I loved it!

The plane flew with such authority and it was faster than I expected. Quite a bit faster than the Parkzone FW-190.

The build quality is superb. Everything went together perfectly.

One thing I found out though is that landing these balsa planes requires a lot more delicacy than landing foam models.

I was coming in a little hot and instead of going around again I decided to land it and the wheels hit pretty hard causing the right spat to break in half and rip a hole in the covering in the underside of the wing. See photo.

Easily repairable though.

Bad habits caused by flying foam where if it hits the ground right side up, its a good landing. :rolleyes:

Overall though I'm very impressed with the chipmunk and it's quality is a cut above the Piper Cub, (especially in its current state!)

Cessna on floats
10-16-2006, 06:57 PM
Hello

I have a smashed hyperion Cub, and i have experienced the same as Tannen45. The plane turned uncontrolled left when adding power. Suddenly when I was in the air, the plane started "flapping" and when down and are now just memories. A real beautiful plane is it anyway.

I have also build and flown the Chipmunk 10e from Hyperion. Had the maiden yesterday. It is a real great plane. Flies like an angel. One problem is that when taxi on the ground, you need to hold full up elevator. Otherwise it will turn forward and the nose will hit the ground
To avoid this I bought 2 1/4 inch foam light wheels and pressed the landing gear a little forward. No I think this will be great. I will not use the wheel cowering.

The plane are very sensitive, so it is important to have small turns on the rudder, elevator and ailron.

But one thing is for shure, It is a beautiful plane and flies with class

QuietRCFly
10-16-2006, 07:45 PM
I have a smashed hyperion Cub, and i have experienced the same as Tannen45. The plane turned uncontrolled left when adding power. Suddenly when I was in the air, the plane started "flapping" and when down and are now just memories. A real beautiful plane is it anyway.


Did you have the stock power system or something different? Just wondering if you guys are overpowering the Cub. Also, when you say flapping, what do you mean? Do you think is was the plane, or did you get shot down maybe by something interfering with your receiver?

Cessna on floats
10-16-2006, 08:35 PM
Did you have the stock power system or something different? Just wondering if you guys are overpowering the Cub. Also, when you say flapping, what do you mean? Do you think is was the plane, or did you get shot down maybe by something interfering with your receiver?
Hi Chris.
I used the Hyperion 2213/20 and the LVX 3S 1500 mah pack, a Apc 9x6 E prop. I had a lot of trouble with the plane. First I had not balanced properly, so it was a little tail heavy. After balanced the plane it flew ok. When adding yhrust under take off, it "jawed" left. What really happened when it crashed I really don't know. I was quit high up in the air, and was slowing down the power to see the planes stall tendensy. When I lost the lify, I added power and suddenly the plane "flikk flakk" right and left and went down. I had no change to get it stright again. What the reason was I really don't know?

QuietRCFly
10-17-2006, 06:01 AM
Hi Chris.
I used the Hyperion 2213/20 and the LVX 3S 1500 mah pack, a Apc 9x6 E prop. I had a lot of trouble with the plane. First I had not balanced properly, so it was a little tail heavy. After balanced the plane it flew ok. When adding yhrust under take off, it "jawed" left. What really happened when it crashed I really don't know. I was quit high up in the air, and was slowing down the power to see the planes stall tendensy. When I lost the lify, I added power and suddenly the plane "flikk flakk" right and left and went down. I had no change to get it stright again. What the reason was I really don't know?

You probably already saw, but it balance much better for me with the heavier 2100 pack. Gives extra flight time as well. Sorry to hear about the troubles. I would say maybe you got hit with interference or the if the covering was loose, but it sounds like it was too damaged to know for sure.

Cessna on floats
10-17-2006, 08:59 AM
You probably already saw, but it balance much better for me with the heavier 2100 pack. Gives extra flight time as well. Sorry to hear about the troubles. I would say maybe you got hit with interference or the if the covering was loose, but it sounds like it was too damaged to know for sure.
Hi Chris. I am actually wondering if the cowling could make the trouble I had. It was broken (it is not a flexible one) and may be it could cause the trouble... og something "hit" the receiver....
But one question. On the Chipmunk I use the LVX 3s 1500mah. I can se the LVX 2100 mah is recommended.. But as I can see the dimensions for the 2100 is 40*121*18 and it's weight 174grams. Hyperion also have the LVX 2200 wich dimensions are 34*108*24,5 and weight 143grams. I also see that there are a LVX 2500mah dimensions 40*121*20 and weight 203 grams.

What are your rec. on theese questions Chris?
1) Is it better to choose the 2200mah (same weight, smaller dimensions)?
2) Would the 2500mah be to heavy (same dimensions 2100mah, but heavier) ?

Hope for good advise :)

Tintin
10-17-2006, 11:27 AM
Do you guys think these will be ok for the cub?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDCT4&P=7

Do I need a tail ski?

QuietRCFly
10-18-2006, 02:31 AM
Do you guys think these will be ok for the cub?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDCT4&P=7

Do I need a tail ski?

I think they would work out fine. Your probably would need a ski tail, so you don' drag the rudder in the snow, unless it is really icy so the skid does not submerge in the snow. I should order some for the shop!

QuietRCFly
10-18-2006, 03:13 AM
Hi Chris. I am actually wondering if the cowling could make the trouble I had. It was broken (it is not a flexible one) and may be it could cause the trouble... og something "hit" the receiver....
But one question. On the Chipmunk I use the LVX 3s 1500mah. I can se the LVX 2100 mah is recommended.. But as I can see the dimensions for the 2100 is 40*121*18 and it's weight 174grams. Hyperion also have the LVX 2200 wich dimensions are 34*108*24,5 and weight 143grams. I also see that there are a LVX 2500mah dimensions 40*121*20 and weight 203 grams.

What are your rec. on theese questions Chris?
1) Is it better to choose the 2200mah (same weight, smaller dimensions)?
2) Would the 2500mah be to heavy (same dimensions 2100mah, but heavier) ?

Hope for good advise :)

I would probably go with the 2200 over the 2500 since it is lighter. I don't think the increase hight will be a problem unless it is a tight fit.

Why don't you want to use the 1500? It would probably give you he best performance, but at a reduced flight time.

Hope that helps.

Tintin
10-18-2006, 08:20 AM
Thanks, I'll have to order an extra pair then as the single skis out that I've found is all just for larger planes.

Cessna on floats
10-18-2006, 08:50 AM
I would probably go with the 2200 over the 2500 since it is lighter. I don't think the increase hight will be a problem unless it is a tight fit.

Why don't you want to use the 1500? It would probably give you he best performance, but at a reduced flight time.

Hope that helps.

I had to use 65 grams of weight in the front of the plane to get it ballanced. So the total weight are already there..... When the extra weight had to be added so much in front of the plane, it "nose tip" easily when taxi and landing.. To avoid this may be it would be better to put a heavier battery inside. That is the only reason....

Gisle

ozzybear
10-18-2006, 09:55 AM
I'm also disappointed with this cub for all the reasons stated by ozzybear, but I did not even get it off the ground!

ROG from the road, no right thrust in the motor mount caused the plane to vear left straight into the gutter.

This smashed the cowl and ripped the (weak) motor mount from the fuselage.

Now I find out Hyperion doesn't even stock replacement cowls for this plane!

Wish I got the World Models version instead.:(

Forgot to mention that the supplied wheels needed to be drilled out for free rotation. Wheel striction may be cause of ROG problems and this together with small diameter and grass surface will not help. In any case for the maiden I used 65 mm wheels yet a World Models Cub ROGs from same site with original wheels that look even smaller diameter than those supplied with the Hyperion Cub kit.

The bigger wheels certainly increased drag so i will be trying out the original wheels next time out.

I am using a 120 watt input set up using 9 x 6 E with standard engine mount and did not notice any motor torque effects on ROG.

ozzybear
10-18-2006, 10:06 AM
According to my dealer the rudder and elevator horns should have been suppiled with safety back plates hence the the long screws suppiled are the correct length. For safety reasons it would be wise to make up a couple of safety plates from ply and simulteanously hide the unsightly protuding screws.

ozzybear
10-18-2006, 10:22 AM
Hi Chris.
I used the Hyperion 2213/20 and the LVX 3S 1500 mah pack, a Apc 9x6 E prop. I had a lot of trouble with the plane. First I had not balanced properly, so it was a little tail heavy. After balanced the plane it flew ok. When adding yhrust under take off, it "jawed" left. What really happened when it crashed I really don't know. I was quit high up in the air, and was slowing down the power to see the planes stall tendensy. When I lost the lify, I added power and suddenly the plane "flikk flakk" right and left and went down. I had no change to get it stright again. What the reason was I really don't know?

"Flikk flakk"sounds very much like lost/weak signal causing servo jitter. Trust your range check was OK and you were within TX/RX range?

QuietRCFly
10-19-2006, 01:24 AM
Forgot to mention that the supplied wheels needed to be drilled out for free rotation.

Mine rotated freely out of the box. But if that is the case with some of the kits, that could be a problem with ROG.

stents3
10-26-2006, 12:41 AM
:D Hi guys I don't know if this thread is over or not,but I thought I would just jump in again. I agree with most of the negative input about the Cub. Hyperion is known for producing qaulity kits,so I was a little disapointed with this kit. So far I've built about ten ARF electrics since I got back into the hobby,and honestly this was not one of the best. The issue of severe torgue roll to the left(see my previous post) was corrected with 2 deg. of right thrust and a new motor set-up(stick mounted out runner,geared 3 to 1 rated at 160 watts) . I was able to get in a few flights last weekend and it went perfect. Nice flying,and looks great in the air. Unfortunately I cracked the cowl when the wheels cought some high grass on landing and she nosed over. That's another thing,it's one thing to build light and another when it's flimsy. Would have appreciated a fiberglass cowl rather then the thin plastic one as supplied. Reminded me of the cowl on the Goldberg Electric Chipmunk, which was even thinner.That one would crack if you looked at it to hard. Just thought I'd throw this in for what it's worth. On a positive note, everyone should own a Piper Cub once in there life(one of the all time classics). And if you can look past the short comings of the kit,this one is a beauty.:D

ozzybear
10-26-2006, 01:25 AM
I replaced the larger wheels with the standard ones and the cub ROG'd off medium grass OK. It flew very well on 6 x 4.5 E prop at 60 % rates using a "400" type brushless 1270 kv motor on 8 cells.

Just for interest - I recently broke the fuz of another high wing model due to severe left roll on a plane that normally ROGs very well. Almost certainly that was due to premature up elevator at too low an air speed upon ROG.

QuietRCFly
10-26-2006, 02:45 AM
Just for interest - I recently broke the fuz of another high wing model due to severe left roll on a plane that normally ROGs very well. Almost certainly that was due to premature up elevator at too low an air speed upon ROG.

While this is my first Cub, I have been told that is a common problem with Scale Cubs in particular. While I did not experience the torque problem, this could be the reason. Now that being said, these kits, from the US distributor anyway, were actually held when they arrived awaiting new rear tail pieces (horizontal and verticle stabilizers) that were supposed to help with that problem, though probably making them a little less scale. Incidently, I think it is these are the pieces that had the worst covering issues, probably because they were rushed out as replacements. While I believe all of the US kits got the new parts to make them easier to fly, I can't gurantee it and I don't know if any kits were distributed in the US or elsewhere before the change was made. So please make sure you do have enough airspeed before you pull up in case this is the problem.

QuietRCFly
10-26-2006, 05:36 AM
I have only 3 of the Hyperion Cub 10e's left in stock. Two with the powerset and one without. The retail price is $99.95 for the ARF and $194.95 for the ARF with the Hyperion power set.

For all of you have followed this thread, you can purchase these last three kits at a 15% discount. If you have been on the fence about making a purchase, now is your chance. First come, first serve. Just enter the discount code, wattcub , at checkout. This discount only applies to the Hyperion Cub kits, not your entire order. Please make sure the Cub kit is in your cart before entering the promotional code. This offer is limited to stock on hand and can not be combined with other promotional code offers.

Shipping is free for order of $150 or more within the US.

Offer Expires October 31st.

stents3
10-26-2006, 04:14 PM
Hi guys I just read the posts about the ROG problem and if I remember back at the first maiden flight it could have very well been the fact I may have pulled up to early without enough ground speed. The problem I have where I fly at(school grounds)is the grass is to high and rough for take off. So I fly off of the baseball diamond,which gives me limited space. It has'nt been a problem with the Ultrafly Ultimate Bipe or the PA Katana Mini,but I should have realized the Cub needed a little more take off run so I may have forced it up. Landings are to say the least, exciting. I have to set it down right at the edge of the diamond to give it enough roll out room. I 've had my share of cracked cowls or broken props when then they hit the grass. Another problem,and one that can't be corrected,is if your going to fly on Long Island NY,your going to fly in the wind. On the school grounds I fly at it's sheltered by trees on three sides so it may appear that the wind,if any, is very light. But once you get in the air it'a a different story.Case in point, my last flight last weekend I was able to hang the Cub motionless at about 100 feet up into the wind. Actually it was moving backward at half throttle. It was time to pack it in and save it for anotther day. I hope I did'nt sound to negative on the previous post about the Cub because I do love this thing,easy to fly and looks out standing in the air.Good flying to all,it's just a fun plane to have and fly.:D

Tintin
10-26-2006, 09:44 PM
I've finally been able to build some on mine and as I'm no expert flyer I really appriciate all the tips that is showing up here before I'll try to maiden mine. Since it can get tailheavy I've tried to reinforce the cowling with some duct tape....we'll see if it works in due time

Smooth Spanky
10-27-2006, 03:17 AM
Tintin:
That's a pretty good idea with the duck tape. I'll have to remember that when I actually get to TOUCH the kit that's been sitting around for way too many weeks :(

SS

Smooth Spanky
10-27-2006, 03:18 AM
Just read my own note. Made myself laugh..."duck" tape? I must have poultry on the brain!!!

QuietRCFly
10-27-2006, 03:30 AM
Just read my own note. Made myself laugh..."duck" tape? I must have poultry on the brain!!!

Quack, Quack!

Tintin
10-27-2006, 07:56 AM
Noticed that but didn't think I'd mention it, didn't have to as it turned out ;)
I think lot's call it duck tape, probably as they've never wondered about the name. I recently saw a modification of the OS50 carb named as the Cataye mod. Some japanese guy had a good idea I thought untill I remembered the name actually comes from the cat eye shaped think you modify...

I got the idea from my GP Flightflex Yak, at times the only thing holding it together is the GF tape inside ;)

Tintin
11-01-2006, 10:37 PM
Well, I'm making slow progress on my Cub but King Winter arrived before I had time to finish so I've unpacked the skis, hope that little bear will like snow but not just dig in for the winter...

QuietRCFly
11-01-2006, 10:41 PM
Well, I'm making slow progress on my Cub but King Winter arrived before I had time to finish so I've unpacked the skis, hope that little bear will like snow but not just dig in for the winter...

I like it! I will order some for the shop! We probably won't get much snow for me to try it out here in Seattle.

Where are you?

QuietRCFly
11-01-2006, 10:42 PM
Dang! I never got you the measurements on that stand. I will try to do that this weekend.

Tintin
11-01-2006, 10:44 PM
Whenever you find the time. I bought a foam stand in the meantime but would love the measurements still as I reckon there might be more planes heading my way during winter.. :D

QuietRCFly
11-01-2006, 10:55 PM
If you like this Cub, I have word that a 25e version is in the works! Hopefully a little better quality as a number of folks have raised some issues with this version, but I really like my 10e Cub. The 25e would be comparable to the E-Flite Cub.

QuietRCFly
11-01-2006, 11:07 PM
Also, the Hyperion Cessna 182 10e should be out at the end of this month or early next. Just in time for Christmas! If it is as originally billed, it will have a fiberglass fuselage and steerable nose wheel. That should be a very nice kit as well. If it is anything like the fiberglass P-51, it will be amazing.

Tintin
11-02-2006, 09:20 AM
I have set my eyes on the Mustang a while back but got in on the preprod Spits. Sadly enough I work far too much these days so the Spit build is going slow. Reckon I'll get both the Mustang and the Cessna. I just hope they make the Cessna so floats kan be fitted.

I must admit my Cub is going to be a trainer to get better at take off and landing, to prepare myself for the Spit and in time the P51, just hope it doesn't die trying ;)

Smooth Spanky
11-02-2006, 03:23 PM
Tintin: I like the skis very much...who makes them?

Everything is going well with my Cub build except for one thing: the covering. I've got wrinkles in several places and I've used my iron and gun to shrink things out with no luck. I'm worried if I apply any more heat I'll start burning things. Anyone have any advice on this?

The only mod I'm planning so far is a streerable tail wheel. If I come up with anything decent I'll post pics.

SS

QuietRCFly
11-02-2006, 04:04 PM
Tintin: I like the skis very much...who makes them?

I think they are Dubro Skis. I will order some for the online store.



Everything is going well with my Cub build except for one thing: the covering. I've got wrinkles in several places and I've used my iron and gun to shrink things out with no luck. I'm worried if I apply any more heat I'll start burning things. Anyone have any advice on this?

I guess some of these kits are worse than other. I found the fuse and wings fairly easy to fix with the gun, but the tail pieces were more work. I improved them, but still not satisfied. Don't have a real good suggestion, as I did not do a great job of fixing the tail myself, but don't get it too hot as this is low temp covering.

Maybe someone else has a good ideas here???

Tintin
11-02-2006, 10:39 PM
Yep, they are Dubro skis.

ozzybear
11-09-2006, 10:36 AM
Well after 6 good landings my u/c went wobbly and rog impossible! No suprise when the u/c relies on a 9 mm long torque rod in soft balsa!

I installed a 87 x 80 x 3 mm light ply plate epoxied onto the bare frame and rebent the original legs. The rest is self explanatory. Not too pretty but its solid!

Tintin
12-01-2006, 02:12 PM
Haven't had the time to maiden yet, to much work, but I have a final question before maiden. How do you guys fasten the battery?
Velcro?
My fingers have a hard time getting into the plane to do anything regarding placement. Do you mount it with the wing off?
Do you charge in the plane?

My overtime made me "invest" in some xmas work, just ordered the new Cessna, hope it'll be here already next week.

QuietRCFly
12-01-2006, 03:55 PM
Haven't had the time to maiden yet, to much work, but I have a final question before maiden. How do you guys fasten the battery?
Velcro?
My fingers have a hard time getting into the plane to do anything regarding placement. Do you mount it with the wing off?
Do you charge in the plane?

My overtime made me "invest" in some xmas work, just ordered the new Cessna, hope it'll be here already next week.

I use vecro attached to the battery and a velcro strap typically. In the Cub, the 2100 mAh battery was snug, so I did not use the strap, just velcro on the battery and tray.

Let us know about the Cessna. We should have those in stock later this month in the US. I will try to do a build thread on that one as well.

Tintin
12-01-2006, 09:14 PM
Ok, thanks I'll try that. I'm still working a lot of overtime but I'll make some posts when I get around to building. Bought some floats with it that I hope to be able to fit.

Tintin
12-18-2006, 09:47 AM
So, yesterday I found time to maiden both the Cub and the Cessna. Started off with the Cub. Almost impossible to control on the ground, the slightest left or right stick and it would make a full turn.

Might add that this was my first time with a scale plane. So far I've been into helis and I have a GP Flightflex yak which is the only plane I've flown with success. It's not the Cubs first flight. It started off on it's own last week. I had it hanging in the ceiling in my workshop when it decided to dive in nose first. Broke the motorshaft and cracked the motormount as well as some on the wing. Had that all taken care of.

Well, I got my guts up and gave more throttle which of course made the plane more controllable. It took off pretty nicely and I flew a couple of eights. Had a slight problem with the motor it seemed. Couldn't get it to go at a speed I liked. Either too fast or scary slow, remember I'm used to the Yak with huge wingarea which can go pretty slow....so I was going to guide her in when I pulled back a bit too much on the throttle and before I caught what was happening she stalled out and dove in.......broke the motorshaft again, more damage to the wing and smashed up the cowl and the fire wall. Repairable I think but extremely annoying to put it mildly.

Well this kinda took the air out of the "what the heck" feeling I'd started the day with loading the car with a couple of helis and these 2 models to maiden.

Took out the Cessna anyways and taxied around for a while. Everything seemed just fine so I gave her some more speed. She too took of very nicely, no strange tendencies at all, however I put her down again rather quickly before I ran out of runway. It turned sharply upon landing. Taxied it back to myself while holding almost full left. Turned out the shrink wrap used to hold the links for the nose wheel together was not enough. Did a few more go'n touches and the nose wheel got out of alignment everytime so I decided to quit while I was ahead on that bird at least. I'll see if I can get a better way of fastening those links and I'll remove the wheel spat on the nose wheel as it doesn't seem to roll freely even after a lot of work.

In general I've had only 2 small problems with the Cessna, the wheel spats are too shallow so the wheels will rub and not roll freely + the battery tray was a bit short so it would slant downwards towards the nose. If you glue it in this position a 2100 mah battery wont fit between the tray and the nose wheel ling so make sure to glu it in just beneath the motor. The Cessna is a real beauty.

QuietRCFly
02-10-2007, 01:57 AM
Check out this Hyperion Cub 25e that should be out in March.

Royster
09-27-2007, 01:09 AM
Can aynone give me some flight times you are getting with the Cub?

and with what LiPo bla bla?

Thanks:ws:

ORD2FRA
03-05-2008, 02:41 PM
For anyone that owns this plane, would it be possible to use a 3-cell A123 battery? I have a bunch of parts that need a plane to live in this summer, and I am liking this build.

I would be using a Park 450 motor, Castle Thunderbird 18 ESC, HS-55 servos, and hopefully my A123 cells that powered my Super Cub before it crashed. A123 cells are 3.25 x 2.75 x 1.25, and are a bit heavier than a 2100mah 3S pack, but I am hoping that the more powerful Park 450 and the lower voltage of the A123 cells (9.9v) will make this plane work.

Thanks in advance...

QuietRCFly
03-05-2008, 03:39 PM
For anyone that owns this plane, would it be possible to use a 3-cell A123 battery? I have a bunch of parts that need a plane to live in this summer, and I am liking this build.

I would be using a Park 450 motor, Castle Thunderbird 18 ESC, HS-55 servos, and hopefully my A123 cells that powered my Super Cub before it crashed. A123 cells are 3.25 x 2.75 x 1.25, and are a bit heavier than a 2100mah 3S pack, but I am hoping that the more powerful Park 450 and the lower voltage of the A123 cells (9.9v) will make this plane work.

Thanks in advance...

I would think it would work just fine. This plane has a light enough wing loading the extra weight should not be a problem at all. I would just try to find a prop combo that get you about 100w/lb if possible. While I am not as familiar with A123 or the Park 450, I would think you could find a combo that works.

Chris

Quiet RC Flying
www.quietrcflying.com (http://www.quietrcflying.com)

ORD2FRA
04-22-2008, 03:06 PM
I spent about two weeks, or about 15-20 hours to build the Cub.
http://www.pbase.com/image/95979768/large.jpg
Lots of wrinkles in the covering though, I ended up recovering the tail as the covering iron would not get the wrinkles out.

http://www.pbase.com/image/95979774.jpg
Finished plane. I used landing gear from 3DHobbyShop.com as it was a bit larger than the stock set, also our field can be rough so I wanted the larger clearance. The strut covers are held on by double sided foam tape. Prop is a 9x6e, and motor is an E-Flite Park 450 with a Tbird 18 ESC.

Maiden
http://www.pbase.com/image/95979778.jpg
Aircraft was way tail heavy. Took off and immediately pointed straight up. I literally could not control it. I balanced the plane right on the peak of the wing, but that was not even close. I would balance within about 3cm of the leading edge.

http://www.pbase.com/image/95979781.jpg
Another view. Luckily all of the damage is what you see here in the nose. Behind the firewall is ok. Any ideas on repair? The firewall and motor mount are completely destroyed.

Thanks for viewing, this Cub will fly again!

QuietRCFly
04-22-2008, 06:35 PM
Wow!:{ Curious about the CG as I set up mine as per the instructions and it flew great. Not tail heavy at all.

Yes on the orginial kits, the covering was not very good. Mine was worst on the tail feathers, but I got mine mostly ironed out. I beleive this has improved with second run kits.

I am terrible at repairs myself, so I can't off much guidance. I can look at the cost of a new fuse for you, but at that point its almost easier to replace the kit since you would likely need the tail pieces as well.

I like the red tail and bigger wheels FWIW.

Tyrant Blaze
12-23-2008, 03:08 PM
Hi QuiteRCfly

Thanks for doing this thread it is helping me a lot as I am building this cub right now, early crimbo present.

Questions????:
1. Did you introduce some right thrust when mounting the motor?

2. I am using a slow fly APC prop 9x4.7, is this the same as a 9x4.7e ?

Thanks in advance

Chris

dogsheep
12-23-2008, 03:53 PM
A "slo fly" prop uses about 20% more amperage than an "e" prop. "No," they are different props.

QuietRCFly
12-23-2008, 06:23 PM
Hi QuiteRCfly

Thanks for doing this thread it is helping me a lot as I am building this cub right now, early crimbo present.

Questions????:
1. Did you introduce some right thrust when mounting the motor?

2. I am using a slow fly APC prop 9x4.7, is this the same as a 9x4.7e ?

Thanks in advance

Chris

No, you do not need to add any right thrust. It should be built in.

The 9x4.7 is a slow fly prop, so no, not the same as dogsheep said. Which motor are you using? While the SF prop would work, I recommend the APC 9x4.5e if you have the recommended motor. And then you can move up to the 9x6e when you are used to the flight characteristics.

I have not flown this plane in a while, but still have it. I am currently building the Hyperion Bird Dog 25e.

Tyrant Blaze
12-24-2008, 01:07 PM
No, you do not need to add any right thrust. It should be built in.

The 9x4.7 is a slow fly prop, so no, not the same as dogsheep said. Which motor are you using? While the SF prop would work, I recommend the APC 9x4.5e if you have the recommended motor. And then you can move up to the 9x6e when you are used to the flight characteristics.

I have not flown this plane in a while, but still have it. I am currently building the Hyperion Bird Dog 25e.

Hi, I am using the recommended power setup from hyperion.
Best get the other prop then. Thankks guys

tz250w
06-14-2009, 12:36 PM
Just bringing this thread back from the dead... I picked up the 10E 2 weeks ago, spent a few hours Saturday and Sunday morning then took it to the field Sunday afternoon.

Using the Hyperion 2213 on a 2100 3 cell (basic "recommended" power set) and a 9x4.5 was okay but I put the 9x6 on and liked it much better.

My kit didn't have any of the wrinkle problems but the hatch took more time than I "enjoyed" to get right and I had the nice matt gray coating on half of the landing gear... Oh well. I adapted a tail wheel I had sitting around and put on some 55mm tires (rough riverbed field).

After taking a bit of throw out of the rudder it flies great, and forever... Easily 15 mins and maybe more out of the 2100 mah battery.

Another club member had a camera mounted on the side of his fuse under the wing and we got a shot of mine in formation.

All in all, not too bad for the money. Flies fine, but I wouldn't recommend it for a trainer. A bit quirky to feel out but once you get the feel it's a blast.

ryan_m
09-01-2009, 04:16 PM
Just about to get mine going, couldn't pass them up since they are $69.95 US right now. Also decided to go for a relatively fast cub and got a 1700kv motor that should make around 375 watts. It wasn't much heavier than the Hyperion motor, 20 grams I think was all. Sounds like that might help with the balancing anyways.

Will the airframe hold up to 100 mph? :D
Should be fun to find out...

QuietRCFly
09-01-2009, 04:39 PM
Just about to get mine going, couldn't pass them up since they are $69.95 US right now. Also decided to go for a relatively fast cub and got a 1700kv motor that should make around 375 watts. It wasn't much heavier than the Hyperion motor, 20 grams I think was all. Sounds like that might help with the balancing anyways.

Will the airframe hold up to 100 mph? :D
Should be fun to find out...

It might hold up, but with the drag from the wing, struts and gear, I doubt you could to it. Its hard to get the Hyperion P-51 up to 100 mph, so I can't imagine you could do it. However, I really want to hear about it if you do. Or if it disintegrates in the air!:eek:

reuben199
09-10-2009, 12:10 AM
Hey, I have just purchased this model secondhand. It has another no brand motor fitted and is running a 10x4.5 slowfly prop. I am using 1250Mah 3 cell lipo's and have had to add 65 grams of weight to the front to improve the balance.
My problem is the previous owner lost the manual, if someone has a copy and has some spare time could they reply with the recommended throws and Center of gravity. It would be greatly appreciated;-)
I went through 2 batteries this morning when I maidened it and after the first tail heavy test flight after which I added the extra weight to the nose it was an enjoyable flyer, a bit slower in the turns than I'm used to and not quite the slow lander that I was expecting but it should be the nice relaxing flyer that I'm looking for, perfect for those last flights of the day during our upcoming summer:)
I will put my wattmeter on it and see what amps its pulling etc, I have a spare Hyperion 2213-20 so if I need to I can go to the recommended power train.

QuietRCFly
09-10-2009, 12:35 AM
Hey, I have just purchased this model secondhand. It has another no brand motor fitted and is running a 10x4.5 slowfly prop. I am using 1250Mah 3 cell lipo's and have had to add 65 grams of weight to the front to improve the balance.
My problem is the previous owner lost the manual, if someone has a copy and has some spare time could they reply with the recommended throws and Center of gravity. It would be greatly appreciated;-)
I went through 2 batteries this morning when I maidened it and after the first tail heavy test flight after which I added the extra weight to the nose it was an enjoyable flyer, a bit slower in the turns than I'm used to and not quite the slow lander that I was expecting but it should be the nice relaxing flyer that I'm looking for, perfect for those last flights of the day during our upcoming summer:)
I will put my wattmeter on it and see what amps its pulling etc, I have a spare Hyperion 2213-20 so if I need to I can go to the recommended power train.
Yeah, I used a 2100 and it balanced perfectly. Not a big deal though if you add weight. I may still have a manual. I will see if I can dig it up. Probably won't have an answer tonight though.

reuben199
09-10-2009, 01:19 AM
Hey,
That would be great.
I have a couple of 2000Mah 3 cells but I think they will be too long.

QuietRCFly
09-13-2009, 09:31 PM
Hey, I have just purchased this model secondhand. It has another no brand motor fitted and is running a 10x4.5 slowfly prop. I am using 1250Mah 3 cell lipo's and have had to add 65 grams of weight to the front to improve the balance.
My problem is the previous owner lost the manual, if someone has a copy and has some spare time could they reply with the recommended throws and Center of gravity. It would be greatly appreciated;-)
I went through 2 batteries this morning when I maidened it and after the first tail heavy test flight after which I added the extra weight to the nose it was an enjoyable flyer, a bit slower in the turns than I'm used to and not quite the slow lander that I was expecting but it should be the nice relaxing flyer that I'm looking for, perfect for those last flights of the day during our upcoming summer:)
I will put my wattmeter on it and see what amps its pulling etc, I have a spare Hyperion 2213-20 so if I need to I can go to the recommended power train.
OK, I found the manual!

These are maximum throws. If you have dual rates, set the lower rate to 60% if you set for maximum throws.

Rudder: 22mm/22mm
Elevator: 17.5mm/17.5mm
Ailerons: 9.5mm/9.5mm

CG: 50mm (2 inches) from the leading edge at the root.

Hope that helps.

reuben199
09-14-2009, 06:35 AM
Quietrcfly,
Thanks, That was the information that I was after.
I went through another 2 battery packs today and did a couple of loops and a roll or two. I can also get it to balance with my larger 2000Mah batteries. When I use the smaller 11.1v 1250Mah 15c batteries its reading 220 Watts and 22amps and the battery and 30 amp esc both get warm. When I tried the larger 11.1v 2000Mah 23c pack it reads 260 watts and 24 amps. I will see how it flies tomorrow morning with the 2000Mah pack. I may also swap the motor out to the spare hyperion that I have as I think the Kv's maybe a bit high? and lose the extra 65grams of weight I added to the nose.
Thanks again -Reuben

onegeorge2000
09-15-2009, 08:21 PM
I have a problem also with the struts. On the wing there is Balsa and not plywood and on the fuselage is plywood but aboy 1/4" side. Not big enough. Don't really know how to fix my struts there. Maybe should fly without struts and gently.

QuietRCFly
09-15-2009, 08:30 PM
I don't remember specfically, but I thought there were specific spots that work perfect on both the wing an fuse. Howver, I don't think they are structurally necessary for the model and I thought about using velcro on one side to make the wing removal easier.

ORD2FRA
03-08-2010, 03:23 PM
I'm looking for a more substantial cowl than the eggshell Hyperion model. I'm checking to see if the PKZ1126 (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/index/index_park_flyers_rtf/PKZ1126.html) for the E-Flite cub will work. I tried the Hobbyzone Super Cub cowl and it was too wide.

lucamia
09-10-2012, 05:49 PM
Hello, I have a big problem, I do not have the manual assembly of the piper cub 10 and "Hyperion", could you send me a pdf?
Not be able to assemble it.
thank you very much

QuietRCFly
09-10-2012, 06:06 PM
I no longer have the plane or the manual. You might try contacting Hyperion distributor in your country. If you are in the US it is Empire Hobby at: empirerc.com

lucamia
09-10-2012, 06:15 PM
Thanks anyway for the reply, I live in Italy and I contacted Hyperion, but is not responding.
thanks anyway