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Sky Sharkster
12-11-2006, 04:35 PM
DLG is one of the fastest-growing and popular classes of Sailplane flying. One of the reasons is the simplicity; A model, a transmitter, open space. That's it!
So, it would seem that it might be inexpensive, also. Not so fast! A brief look at any of the major Sailplane vendor sites will disabuse anyone of that notion, quick! The sleek, lightweight, fully-composite models usually start at $300.00 and a few are nudging $500.00. Whew!
Can you fly DLG for less? In a word, YES! I did some research and found several ARF's around $150.00 and a couple "builder" kits for less than $100.00. The downside is, they're not totally composite and generally you'll be doing more prep work than the typical ARF.
If you can live with those terms, here you go!
http://www.mountainmodels.com/index.php?cPath=25_28&osCsid=da6862dee180d18793f73ffd2061feca
Mountain Models/Laser Arts Has several DLG's that list at less than $100. The "GF2 DLG" Full Kit is $69.00, features a built-up wing with CF material for wing strengthing, tapered, wrapped CF Tailboom, laser-cut balsa, CAD plans, push rods and housings, hardware.
The "DL-50 DLG" (kit) uses a foam wing with fiberglass skin, applied with Minwax Polycrylic. The airfoil is the Drela AG04-AG08. The kit includes the foam cores, C/F rod spars, C/F tape, Fiberglass cloth, F/G tapered boom, laser-cut pod parts and tail, pushrods. Price $70.00
The "Spinner RE EPP" is a rudder/elevator DLG, includes wing cores, tapered C/F spars, Tapered C/F boom. Price $90.00
The "Spinner XT EPP" adds ailerons/flapperons for more control. Price $105.00. Both these last models were designed by Ed Berg, formally of UpSlope Sailplanes.
http://www.wrightbrothersrc.com/our_kits/gambler.htm
The Wright Brothers "Gambler-AG" is a built-up kit featuring full-sized plans, laser-cut balsa parts, laser-cut plywood parts, balsa stick, sheet and trailing edge stock, pushrods, Du-Bro hardware, fiberglass cloth, Kevlar cloth, C/F boom, iron-on C/F ribbon. The wing airfoil is the AG36. Price $75.00, W/B also sell the plans (only).
Don't have time to build? You want an ARF but don't want to spend too much? OK!
http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=760
The NESail "Huron" is a balsa built-up ARF, RG-15 Mod airfoil. Price $128.00.
http://www.nesail.com/categories.php?subcatID=32
The "Calysto" is a built-up DLG ARF for $139.95. Wing airfoil HQW-2/8.
http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=1178
The "Apache" is a R/E/A DLG featuring a two-piece wing with built-up construction, full-length spar, and the RG-15 Mod airfoil. Price $159.95.
http://www.arthobby.com/shop.html
Art Hobby has two DLG's in the range we're looking at; The Hyper-DL 1.5m for $131.00 (wing airfoil HN1033 Mod)and the Hybrid DL 1.5m (airfoil JK 7010) for $159.00. These have sheeted foam-core wings, F/G pods and booms, sheet balsa tails.
If any of our readers know of other inexpensive DLGs please post! Also, if you've flown any of these, let us know how they fly.
Thanks,
Ron

AEAJR
12-13-2006, 03:39 AM
Your list contains many of the same ones I provide on my list of DLGs, when asked.

You did skip the side arm launced flying wings such as the Alula, and the Boomer. While not conventional in design they can be launched to good height and thermaled.

jooNorway
12-13-2006, 05:22 PM
The Bobolink (http://www.arthobby.com/shop/index.php?lang=EN&param[]=0012&param[]=012F&param[]=010P&param[]=010A&param[]=010B&param[]=011W&param[]=012D&param[]=A0031&param[]=A0060) from Art Hobby is maybe too small to be counted? Anyway, I have this one queue in for my building table. Always handy to have a small and lightweight plane which can be DLG`ed on small unknown slopes anyway ;) If there is no lift I still can land on the top of the slope.

By the way, my "real" DLG is the Absalut (http://www.griffin-models.com/model.php?id=55) from Chech Marek. A beauty! But in the expensive end of the scale...

dimadee
12-14-2006, 10:20 PM
I fly a Salome from Horejsi , and it has been an amazing plane. It is 5 years old and is a bit like an old friend now. The new version is called the Long Shot, and uses Drela wing sections. It is a good value for money, competition class DLG.

I know it is not the 'real thing', but I have just ordered a pair of Alulas for myself and my DLG buddy. I am intriuged as to how well everyone says they to fly. We will be building them with the Bill & Bunny Kuhlman mods (separate elevator) in the hope that we get a couple of very portable, thermal capable ships so we can run our own mini comps!

AEAJR
12-20-2006, 10:20 AM
Ron,

I think you hit on one of the key points of DLGs in that they can be very inexpensive, very convenient and a lot of fun. And there is something very personal about a hand launched/discus launched glider. It is different from other planes in this respect.

Good thread!

Sky Sharkster
12-20-2006, 11:32 AM
Hi Ed, Thanks for the kind words, I'm hoping to recruit some flyers over to the truly "quiet' side!
Also I forgot one DLG ARF that's easily available and around $100; The Fling from Great planes.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKAG3&P=
Ron

bobthenuke
12-22-2006, 08:12 PM
Based on advice from a local DLG flier, I've ordered a DL-50 to get me going while I wait for my Arrow from Pacific Models.

bob

AEAJR
12-22-2006, 10:09 PM
Bob,

Those are great choices. I am sure you will enjoy both.

bobthenuke
12-23-2006, 12:19 AM
Thank you, Ed, I'm sure I will. I did a bit of research prior to making the orders but it's so difficult - there are *so* many really nice gliders available!

bob

frvrngn
02-02-2007, 06:56 PM
I have a few DLG thoughts and questions. For some reason, these planes are really getting to me lately. There is just something so incredible about it being just you and the plane - no motor noise, no anything just soaring in its purest form. Kind of reminds me of my stunt kite days.

Any way, my questions were - DLG for dummies
1) Originally I saw the Fling, then every review I saw said run away quickly! Thats when I started reading more into them

2) Having done that, something like the Spinner XT from Laser Arts/MM looks to be a nice way to go. EPP foam! Like my wings that I love so dearly. I know how tough EPP is, and since I would be teaching myself - I need tough!

3) Problem with the Spinner is transporting the plane. I am assuming the wing doesnt come off. How the heck do people transport some of these gliders?? I dont have a large car, and there would be no way to get this to my field.

4) Then I came across the DLG EPP Wings. The two that caught my eye were the Alula and the Boomer. Now we are getting somewhere. EPP - tough. Small - fits in my car.

5) Now - I dont have a slope anywhere. I have big, flat grass fields surrounded by trees, soccer fields, school yards, etc. Am I kidding myself to think that something like the Alula will fly there? I saw a short vid of a guy discus launching the Alula to gain more height, but he has a small slope as well. BUT - I saw a pic of a guy flying his Alula inside a gym! How does that work?!?

Can you tell now that I am a complete newbie with this? About the closest I have ever come to "gliding" is with a very light Stryker airframe I built up. I could power up to a hundred feet or so and chop the throttle and just glide around against the wind almost like a RC kite. I just like how pure DLG flying looks...

Thoughts and help appreciated!

AEAJR
02-03-2007, 03:16 AM
frvrngn (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/member.php?u=2539)

What's your question? How does an Alula glide in a gym? You toss it up and .... it glides.

Not being a smart guy, I don't find a questions except this one.

Sky Sharkster
02-03-2007, 12:47 PM
Hello Frvrngn, The wings on the Spinner, and most DLGs I've seen, are attached with a nylon bolt and come off for transport. This is usually the only way to access the radio components and battery. There may be some high-end models that have a slip-on nose cone, but even with that system the wing is removeable.
Ron

frvrngn
02-03-2007, 02:59 PM
Err, I had a coupe ,more questions in there but I guess I can be more specific now that I have done more reading.

1) Will the Alula or Boomer flat land thermal? If so, will they do it in a large grass field? From little I read about thermaling smaller ships is its better if you have a lot of contrasting land below - say going from grass to parking lot to bushes to dirt, etc. My close field is a big flat, level soccer field complex so nothing but grass surrounded on all sides by very tall trees.

2) Will either handle wind (say 5-15mpg) on flat land? I know you can ballast them up for slope flying to get penetration, but how badly does that affect their thermaling ability?

3) I know both of these are SAL. Could you add a peg to get a more discus style launch out of them to gain more height and duration? I read the build instructions and they both look hyper sensitive to CG and weight. I have a feeling that the peg might pay too large a penalty in both departments as well as drag.

I name those two since I like the idea of small, more portable planes. Plus with them being "wings" I would be quite comfortable with elevon controls only vs. setting up flaps, spoilers, etc. I looked at the Mycro as well, but people seem to think the cost isnt justified unless you truly want something packable.

If I went more traditional the top flyers for beginners seem to be the Spinner XT for toughness, the Gambler AG, the DL-50 and the Quik Flik. The Swyft looked nice since its smaller, but the build was said to be a little more involved and it can be fragile. The ones I just named seem to be more durable for a beginners mistakes. I still think I prefer the the smaller SAL wings if they could thermal well.

Thanks-

Sky Sharkster
02-03-2007, 04:08 PM
Hello Frvrngn, I can't say too much about the small flying wings, I've only flown "conventional" gliders. From the planes you've mentioned, you might be interested in a "Mosquito" class glider, here's a reference;
http://www.fatlion.com/sailplanes/hlg.html
Regardng thermals, your site sounds like a nice flying field but usually (as you mentioned) it helps to have a darker ground area upwind to generate the hot air mass that will rise and become a thermal. This isn't absolutely necessary, I've seen lift arise from many types of landscape.
Just about any aircraft with a reasonable wing loading and clean aerodynamics will thermal, but obviously a lighter model will take better advantage of the lift. A heavier or "draggy" model might just maintain altitude in a given thermal, while a lighter (or more streamlined) model will gain altitude in the same air.
Thermal strength and optimum altitude to catch a thermal will vary with the time of day, amount of sunshine, ambient temperature, windspeed, landscape and other factors.
Sometimes there's a tendency to over-research things. There's no "easy" answer for catching lift but having experience, flying at the same site in different weather and a well-trimmed glider are things that you can control. Build a glider, fly it a lot, and most of your questions will be answered!
Ron

frvrngn
02-03-2007, 04:30 PM
Ron -

Oh completely understand the "over-reasearch" comment! I have a tendancy to do that with many things in my life, not just RC. I love info and will look for as much as possible.

I know catching thermals will be difficult at first. I know a lot of things just need to be "done" to figure them out. I was just very intrigued by the DLG/SAL class glider as it seemed so pure to fly.

I guess I am having a hard time visualizing a small wing like the Alula catching thermals and gliding. I have seen plenty of that style wing slope soaring. I did find a couple vids of an Alula thermaling, I just always pictured a thermal glider as the more traditional style with huge wingspans and feather weight construction.

Thanks for that link - I liked one of the Mosquito class wings in there - the Noseeum I think it was from Aerofoam. Similiar to the Boomer and the Alula.

AEAJR
02-03-2007, 04:41 PM
Flying wings? I have a Boomer. Lots of fun on a flat field. I have not had much success getting it into thermals though. If the wind gets over about 5 mph, I tape two quarters to the CG on the bottom for more penetration, but not a great strong wind plane. Nor are any of the very light wing loading low cost planes. It is great on the slope when the lift drops off to almost nothing. Still, the boomer is lots of fun and very very rugged!

I have also put hte boomer in my suitcase and taken it on trips.

I have a Quick Flick on the building table if I ever find the time to get it done. Looks like fine. The Gambler, DL 50 are also popular.

One problem with EPP is that it is heavy. The boomer has a front edge of EPP bonded to a back section of EPS to keep it light. Works great!

Check the weight on the EPP wing planes. For a 50" wing span you really don't want to be over 9 ounces all up and 8 would be better.

The competition composit palanes with 59" wings, like the Polecat XP4, come in about 8.5 oz on a much bigger wing, but that one costs $400 for the kit.

I fly in an open field of 800X 1600 and we run DLG contests in this field. Works great!

If you are looking for a first plane for DLG and want to thermal it, it would recommend the Gambler, DL50 or the Quick Flick as good choices.

rcommo
02-04-2007, 05:02 AM
The March issue of Quiet Flyer reviews the Ice Fire II, a 1.5M DLG. It start on page 86. The review was quite positive and placed it between the < $100 HLG/DLG and the > $500 HLG/DLG crowds.

According to the summary at the end of the article it is distributed in this country by E3 Enterprises and costs $170 plus $60 shipping (from China).

It looked tempting to me in terms of price and performance, but I have to give this caveat. I can't seem to find any positive informaiton on it by searching with Google - a bit of a disappointment. Also, I wnet to teh web site given in the article, www.merlinhobbies.com (http://www.merlinhobbies.com) and still didn't see it. The site did have a $250 HLG (might be a DLG too there wasn't any obvious wing-pin in the picture. So I don't know how to really call this one. Maybe someone else on the Forum has more info.

Cheers,
-rick

figures2001
02-22-2007, 07:51 AM
Hello rick,
I found one thread discussing Ice-fire ii in Rcgroup.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616531

Jason T
02-22-2007, 10:48 AM
figures2001,

Welcome to Wattflyer!

figures2001
02-22-2007, 11:30 AM
Hi Jason

AEAJR
02-23-2007, 11:02 AM
For any of you Eastern US DLG flyers, the Eastern Soaring League organizes competitions. www.flyesl.com (http://www.flyesl.com)

They are lots of fun and you can learn a ton about how to fly your DLG. You can fly anything. I flew my Boomer in a competition last year. Totally not competitive but I had a ball and I learned a lot about DLG flying.

One of the events is held at our field, so if you can make the LISF hand launch classic, I will look forward to seeing you there. ;)

cpaine
03-12-2007, 05:18 PM
this is a little late but....

i purchased the DL-50 from Mountain models, and have so much fun with it, easy to build, easy to fly, and just learning how to catch a thermal.

i do recomend reinforcing the leading edge of the horizontal/vertical stab with carbon fiber rod, (same thickness as balsa) then wrap with fine cloth (use CA, spread with wax paper)....sometimes you land in the tall stuff and it will ding up your LE's.

from a first time glider guy.....(ex-pylon) nothin but fun!

sierra-gold
05-19-2007, 06:05 PM
I know it is not the 'real thing', but I have just ordered a pair of Alulas for myself and my DLG buddy. I am intriuged as to how well everyone says they to fly. We will be building them with the Bill & Bunny Kuhlman mods (separate elevator) in the hope that we get a couple of very portable, thermal capable ships so we can run our own mini comps!

Does anyone have a link to the referenced mod for separate elev?

Thanks,

S/G

bobthenuke
05-19-2007, 06:19 PM
I believe that a link or instructions for the separate elevator mod are available on the alula website. Mine is built with the two servos in the pod only and I've thermaled it just fine.

bob

bobthenuke
05-19-2007, 06:26 PM
Regarding input on other DLGs, I started with a DL-50 and had a lot of fun with it. Then I went to an ArtHobby Hybrid - big bang for the buck but certainly not competitive. Mine has now been relegated to a slope soarer. I'm now flying (besides an Alula) a Longshot 2. This is an *excellent* glider and while not up with the "top" gliders, is certainly competitive and for the price is my top suggestion for someone who wants to step up to a camber changing wing setup. I love mine and if it was to die I'd certainly buy another.

...bob

Ohiopete
05-22-2007, 03:03 PM
Then I went to an ArtHobby Hybrid - big bang for the buck but certainly not competitive.

I made the mistake of buying one of these as well. I refer to it as "The Flying Pig" It weighs too much to be a good DLG and I built mine lighter than most folks. I too just fly it sparingly on the slope,but mostly it just hangs above my bench.

On the positive side...Polecataero, the makers of the (high end) XP series of DLG's has a new DLG out that is more economical (relatively speaking) than the XP's, the Sidewinder (IIRC). Don't see it one the website yet but I saw the announcement thread on another forum. Looks to be priced at about $299.
http://www.polecataero.com/

drone
05-24-2007, 03:17 PM
I have owned and flown most of the models already mentioned here. I started with the Mountain Models DL50 then the Art Hobby Lead Sled. A major step up was the Gambler then the Gambler AG since these two will hang well in very light thermals. A used XP from Polecat was the next transition and was a MAJOR upgrade. Launch height is markedly increased and thermalling is great. The Sidewinder mentioned above would be a fantastic entry level plane if I didn't already have an XP4.5 to play with.

There are great construction photos now for the Sidewinder and it looks to be a winner...

Leon

Hodgehound
04-16-2008, 03:38 PM
So, after reading this, I saw the DL 50 mentioned a good bit. Would it be the best choice for a DL "newbie" on a budget? I've been flying for 12+ yrs but, a total new comer to DL. I've watched a lot of ppl fly these things and I gotta get one! $70 for the Dl50 sounds great! Is it a good thermaller, and one I can cut my DL teeth on without destroying it?

AEAJR
04-16-2008, 03:51 PM
If you are looking for a kit, under $100, the DL50 is a good choice for an easy build. The wing is foam so no wing to build and it takes abuse pretty well.

The Gambler has a reputation as a better flying DLG but you have to build the wing.

My friend as the Seeker which was replaced by the swift. Small and light but a great flyer. He thermals his all the time. Again we have a foam wing, so less building.

If you don't mind the build, I would point to the Gambler as first choice.

Mountain Models DL50 - $70-kit
http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_28&products_id=212 (http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_28&products_id=212)
Review
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4542 (http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4542)
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dl50.wmv (http://www.mountainmodels.com/dl50.wmv)

Build thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531574 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531574)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355107 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355107)

The Gambler-AG = $75 - Kit
http://www.wrightbrothersrc.com/products/gambler.htm (http://www.wrightbrothersrc.com/products/gambler.htm)
http://www.rcgroups.com/4506 (http://www.rcgroups.com/4506)
Review
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583972 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583972)

Swyft - $89 kit - smaller than the ones above
This one breaks down for easy transport
http://www.liftworx.com/swyft/ (http://www.liftworx.com/swyft/)
http://www.liftworx.com/videoclips/swyftflight.html (http://www.liftworx.com/videoclips/swyftflight.html)
Discussion Thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=399401 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=399401)

Hodgehound
04-16-2008, 04:00 PM
Thanks Ed. I did not know if I'd get a response as the last post was last year! LOL I'll look into a DL 50 just because of the price, durability( I've heard they are pretty tough) and to see if I really like flying DL. Then maybe move up. Are they hard to learn to launch?

AEAJR
04-16-2008, 04:09 PM
No they are not hard to learn to launch, but like anything else it takes practice to get good at it. 75 foot launches are not hard to hit at all. However 150 foot launches are the rare air of the experts.

I have a Polecat XP-5 that I am flying. Still not an expert by a long shot. And that Quick Flick-2 I mentioned a year ago is still not finished. I am not much of a builder.

As part of your learning you can also put a hook on these and use a small hi-start. So you can hand launch or you can hi-start them. If your arm gets tired but you still want to fly, just put one of these out.

Some people do put a tow hook on the bottom and use very light hi-starts to
launch them as well. Then you can get them up 150-300 feet and hunt for
lift from there.

We have a Fling flyer at our field who does that. Lots of fun. Hand launches are not very high but the hi-start takes it right up.

While a hi-start is not normally the way you would launch one of these, there is nothing to keep you from putting a hook in the plane and taking it up to very high launches off a light hi-start.

Fling hi-start - $13
Intended for the Fling HLG
Probably get a 150 foot launch with this.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHMZ3&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHMZ3&P=7)

Dynaflite up start - $25
This is for planes up to 72" wing span so it should be perfect for HLG/DLGs.
You might approach 250 foot launch with this.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXE637&P=ML

RESOURCES

If you are new glider pilot, this is a great resource:
http://forums.flyesl.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=224 (http://forums.flyesl.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=224)
DVD - DLG Clinic - How to
http://www.radiocarbonart.com/Pages/proclinicmain.html (http://www.radiocarbonart.com/Pages/proclinicmain.html)
Build and prep DVD
http://www.radiocarbonart.com/Pages/buildclinicmain.html (http://www.radiocarbonart.com/Pages/buildclinicmain.html)

Another list of DLGs
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728220 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728220)

Hodgehound
04-16-2008, 04:29 PM
I've had some sort of glider for as long as I can remember. There is just something about grabbing a plane and Tx with no motor or engine to start, tuning in a couple of circles, and flinging a <10 ounce plane at arms length skyward at 80 mph(just a guess) that looks like F-U-N!!!! Then guiding it back to you for a catch to do it again. I love catching my Gentle Lady after a flight and the spectators seem to like it too. But my GL is 15-20 yrs old, is a slimer and gets my hands nasty. I'm not gonna change it though. So this may just be the way to go!!! Maybe I'll get Lucky at SEFF in a couple of weeks and pick one up there! Thanks again Ed.

drone
04-17-2008, 01:32 AM
Hound

I have had the DL50 and Gambler and can attest that the flying is MUCH better with the Gambler. It is a bit smaller and doesn't launch as high but it stays up better and catches thermals that the DL simply flies through. After you have flown it a bit, I suspect you will be ready for a Sidewinder by Polecat and then you are hooked.

I am coming to SEFF and will bring any of the above for you to try. Let me know and I will throw them in the RV.

Leon

Hodgehound
04-17-2008, 08:46 PM
Sure! I've been looking at both and can't make my mind up. It's a good thing I don't have the cash or I'd really be confused right now. I really like the Gambler for the built up wing. I love transparent colors on them. The wing loading is better. If it really flies MUCH better it will be worth the 5 extra bucks! I guess I'll see ya at SEFF! Thanks Leon! I'm sure some of the other local Hounds will want to see too. Two of them just got some cheap gliders at a swap meet and they are hooked bad! So when they get wind of what I'm doing they are gonna start drooling!!! See ya soon!

drone
04-17-2008, 10:31 PM
I'll bring the Gambler and a poly XP4 for sure. Possibly an XP5 but I hurt my shoulder and can't launch real good right now. I will be in a tan and brown RV parked in the reserved area. Probably lots of drunks in front under the EZ Up. Gator tag on front of RV. Stop by and introduce yourself. We will be there late Wednesday morning after driving from Statesboro. See ya

Leon

Hodgehound
04-18-2008, 12:56 AM
Aight! See ya then!



After further review, I have decided to go with the gambler! Now I gotta sell off some older stuff to get everything for this project. Kit, Radio gear for plane, Small battery, glue etc.! I can't wiat. :D

Hodgehound
04-27-2008, 02:54 PM
Leon,
I ordered my Gambler this morning! Yee Haw!!!! See ya in a few days at SEFF. Looking forward to meeting you.

drone
04-27-2008, 06:09 PM
We are loading the RV today and will leave for SEFF as soon as I get out of a meeting tomorrow at noon. The Gambler is good to go but I broke the poly wing at the joint yesterday. Will try to fix it but may not make it in time for SEFF. Will bring an XP 4 or 5 for you to throw...

Leon

Hodgehound
04-27-2008, 06:12 PM
You're gonna trust me to throw it? WOW!!!! Must be easier than I thought or you are a really trusting soul! ;)

Hodgehound
05-08-2008, 12:40 AM
Well Leon it was great to meet ya! You guys are a hoot! I still can't believe he dropped his transmitter while flinging the plane, picked it back up just in time to turn around and see it lawn dart and get stuck standing straight up! Too funny! Then he pulled it out and flung it again! But I think I remember you saying it was broke when he did it the second time. My Gambler is here and waiting for me to work my mojo on it. What size rx battery should I use for "normal everyday flying"? I assume very small and light?

drone
05-08-2008, 01:36 AM
Hi there wild man...

I was very happy to meet you as well. Sorry you didn't stay for the beer but with your description of the LCB, I don't blame you for staying on the other end of the field.

I have used both a 240 and a 280mAh NiMh 4 cell pack. You could obviously go lighter but I was more interested in sport flying than all-out competition. If I were looking to shave every gram off the bird, I would consider a small one cell LiPo and a compatible receiver.

You will really like this little bird when you finish it... Mr. Wright has done well with this design.

Cheers

Leon

Hodgehound
05-08-2008, 08:51 PM
You did not say anything about BEER!!!! LOL Y'all shoulda wandered up and got some LCB! We had enough left over to heat up the next night! Next year y'all gotta come try some!

Hodgehound
05-15-2008, 09:28 PM
I got my gambler! Now I just gotta find the time and some space to start building it! Yippeeeeeee!!!!! Any good Gambler build logs around here or RCG???

FlyWheel
05-16-2008, 02:58 AM
Your list contains many of the same ones I provide on my list of DLGs, when asked.

You did skip the side arm launced flying wings such as the Alula, and the Boomer. While not conventional in design they can be launched to good height and thermaled.

I wondered if a wing could be discus launched. Seeing as many electric FW's are either pusher or mid prop, it would seem the safest way to launch one while under power. ????

Hodgehound
05-24-2008, 09:30 PM
Can I use minwax polyeurethane to glass the fuse? I finally got started! And the fuse is waiting!!!!

Hodgehound
05-26-2008, 07:16 PM
Hey Leon! I finished building my new Gambler! All I have left is to get a battery and install the radio gear! This is gonna be fun.

Here are a few pics of my FIRST build from a kit! The rudder and elevator are not shown. They are SHINY Chrome covered! :D

drone
05-26-2008, 08:11 PM
Nice build Richard. I am sure you will enjoy yours. I have lots of battle scars on mine but it still flies great.

I attached a photo of my new toy that I showed you at SEFF. It is the electrified version of the Polecat Sidewinder and is called the LapDancer. It really scoots with a little outrunner but is still light enough to themal well. It's a good move for us old coots that can't throw as well as you young punks. Flew it three times today and it is a blast.

Thanks for the photos and post when you have it in the air.

Leon

Hodgehound
05-26-2008, 09:19 PM
Cool! and Who you calling punk!?!? LOL ;)

Hodgehound
05-27-2008, 10:07 PM
Hi there wild man...

I was very happy to meet you as well. Sorry you didn't stay for the beer but with your description of the LCB, I don't blame you for staying on the other end of the field.

I have used both a 240 and a 280mAh NiMh 4 cell pack. You could obviously go lighter but I was more interested in sport flying than all-out competition. If I were looking to shave every gram off the bird, I would consider a small one cell LiPo and a compatible receiver.

You will really like this little bird when you finish it... Mr. Wright has done well with this design.

Cheers

Leon


Do you know if a Berg microstamp rec. will work with a 1 cell lithium battery?
Anyone??

Hodgehound
06-04-2008, 10:02 PM
WOW this thread died!!!

Anyway got a few pics of the Gambler gear all thrown on the scale! She's LIGHT!!!:ws::tc:;-):silly:

Hodgehound
06-07-2008, 07:39 PM
I've been flying it for three days now and still have not had to charge the 400 mah battery! The Gambler is now my new favorite! It was my Gentle Lady for about 4 yrs. NOT any more, second on the list now!!

Leon....this thing is a blast! I'm launching 75'-100' EASILY!! Some of the other hounds are already talking about getting one after seeing this one!!!! I'll have to talk to ya about the "next step" in a few months!!! :D

drone
06-07-2008, 08:01 PM
Richard, I think you will find that it is a fun thing to stuff in the car and fling it when you don't feel like getting out all the stuff to fly glo or even electric. I will go out beside the house in the evening and twirl around a few times just to relax after work.

After chatting with you and lurkng on the SSX threads, I bought, assembled and have now maidened my Mircro SS. Holy crap that thing can fly... I bought the SSX and will start that next week.

We leave Tuesday for the Polecat Challenge. It is the finest DLG contest on the east coast. There are even some Gamblers flying there. Allen Wright will be there as well. There will be lots of posts about it on RCGroups http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794017 and I will post some pictures after I get home...

Leon

AEAJR
06-07-2008, 10:59 PM
Yes, the Polecat Challenge is the tops for DLG competition, or so I have heard from club members who have gone.

Hodgehound
06-08-2008, 04:29 PM
Richard, I think you will find that it is a fun thing to stuff in the car and fling it when you don't feel like getting out all the stuff to fly glo or even electric. I will go out beside the house in the evening and twirl around a few times just to relax after work.

After chatting with you and lurkng on the SSX threads, I bought, assembled and have now maidened my Mircro SS. Holy crap that thing can fly... I bought the SSX and will start that next week.

We leave Tuesday for the Polecat Challenge. It is the finest DLG contest on the east coast. There are even some Gamblers flying there. Allen Wright will be there as well. There will be lots of posts about it on RCGroups http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794017 and I will post some pictures after I get home...

Leon
For sure! I've been out to Hodges twice now and only brought the Gambler. The last time I took one plane out there is when I only had one plane!!!

Glad You got into the SSXs! I'm one of James' official demo pilots and I thimk we sold him quite a few at SEFF. :D The micro and the Bipe are just plain crazy awesome!!! I just ordered a set of GWS floats to have to put on the SSX when the mysterious "Lake Hodges" appears.


I wish I had the time (and $$) to go see all those DLGs but, thats life, I'll watch the thread. Hey, y'all have fun and sling a few for me!

AEAJR
07-28-2008, 10:18 PM
Hey guys,

Since this is about DLGs, I thought I would ask if any of you are coming to the Eastern Soaring League hand launched/discus launched event this weekend? It is going to be a great time.

Tuesday 7/29 is the last day to register.


The Long Island Silent Flyers are hoting it. www.lisf.org (http://www.lisf.org) The field is in excellent condition and it is big!

If you are an expert, come test yourself against the best of the best.

If you are a sportsman, there will be a good field of guys at your level.

And if you are totally new to this contest stuff, we have Novice. This is
for guys have never entered a DLG contest before. We have four in Novice now
so come on down.

If you are an ESL member, you register for the contest here:
http://www.flyesl.com/contest_regis..._list.asp?cid=6 (http://www.flyesl.com/contest_regis..._list.asp?cid=6)

If you are not an ESL member today, no problem. ESL membership is FREE. You
do have to be an AMA member.

You become an ESL member here, then you register for the contest.
http://www.flyesl.com/signup.asp (http://www.flyesl.com/signup.asp)

Long Island is within easy distance from DE, PA, NJ, CT, MA and perhaps OH.
We also get people from MD, VA, NH and VT.

So, give it a look and come on down and join us.

Sky Sharkster
11-03-2008, 10:59 AM
The ICARE company of Canada has a Micro Dlg kit (all wood, laser-cut) called the Minus. This is a "V" tail, tapered-wing model, using a mixer for R/E and has aileron control. It comes in two versions, regular DLG and "Acro".
Wingspan (Minus) 35.4" (Minus Acro) 27.5"
Length 22" (Both)
Wing Area 132 Sq. In. (Minus) 102 Sq. In. (Minus Acro)
Wing Loading (Minus) 4.2 Oz/Sq Ft. (Minus Acro) 4.5 Oz/Sq Ft.
Flying Weight (Minus) 120 Gr. 4.2 Oz. (Minus Acro) 100 Gr. 3.5 Oz.
On Sale, U.S. price $49.00 + $3.00 S+H..
http://www.icare-rc.com/minus.htm
Looks like a fun little glider!
Ron

AEAJR
01-22-2009, 11:48 AM
Any new ideas for DLGs?

lagarto
06-17-2012, 01:18 AM
Hello there friends !!! wel I made myself my DGL micro, arround USD 50 cost, itīs really small, like 42cm wing, flys great !!! send you some pics

AEAJR
06-17-2012, 01:41 PM
Hello there friends !!! wel I made myself my DGL micro, arround USD 50 cost, itīs really small, like 42cm wing, flys great !!! send you some pics

looking forward to pictures as well as weight, wing loading and build method.

lagarto
06-18-2012, 02:28 PM
The total weight is 37 gr, the most important thing is the wing, my first try was a 26 gr weight wing ( to heavy ) you have to select a very light balsa wood for this, now mi new wing is only 9 gr.
this is my third try, and just now Im succeful, but flys very nice now !!!! Im very glad.
To make the airfoil wing I used a method with the negative of the ribs, as you see english is not my language, sory

Bye

lagarto
06-18-2012, 02:33 PM
The total weight is 37 gr, the most important thing is the wing, my first try was a 26 gr weight wing ( to heavy ) you have to select a very light balsa wood for this, now mi new wing is only 9 gr.
this is my third try, and just now Im succeful, but flys very nice now !!!! Im very glad.
To make the airfoil wing I used a method with the negative of the ribs, as you see english is not my language, sory

Bye

JetPlaneFlyer
06-18-2012, 02:55 PM
I cant see any pictures, I think maybe you need to have a few posts in the forum before the system allows you to post pictures.

I've had a lot of fun with my Elf micro DLG. At 1m span it's a bit bigger than yours but it does 60 to 80 seconds flights in relativly dead air which is pretty good for a small glider.

lagarto
06-18-2012, 03:07 PM
Yes, I donīt know why but I cant load the pics, but you can see them here:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=896669&page=19

Mine is the last one on page 19

Bye

lagarto
06-18-2012, 03:10 PM
I really Like the Elf, but here in Argentina it is imposible to buy it, do you have any video?

Bye

lagarto
06-25-2012, 03:47 PM
mini DLG 38 gr

lagarto
06-28-2012, 01:26 AM
Here is a video of today having a few flights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZoZcM37f80

TM4197
06-28-2012, 02:37 AM
Looks like fun! hows your arm???[popcorn]

lagarto
06-28-2012, 03:03 AM
jaja, my arm is just fine, is not that much effort

JetPlaneFlyer
06-28-2012, 06:17 AM
Lagarto,

You asked for some video of the Elf.. here's (poor quality) vid of my Elf flying off some sand dunes:P2-38Y8JwVI

lagarto
06-28-2012, 03:01 PM
Great fly and great place to fly ! the plane glids perfect, very good one, congrats ! thanks for the video

lagarto
06-29-2012, 02:52 AM
Hello there, can some one tell me wich is the ideal wight for a DLG of 55 cm wingspan? mine is 38 gr, can suport more wight ? any fix I do is gaining more weight...

Thanks

JetPlaneFlyer
06-29-2012, 06:15 AM
There is no 'ideal' weight. The normal rule is 'the lighter the better' but with DLG's too light means they don't launch very high (see how far you can throw a feather!)

I'd guess that the best overall weight would be something a fair bit less than 38g.. You will probably notice that your model flies a lot faster than the Elf, that's because it's wing loading is much higher. To glide about the same speed as the Elf (and have a lower rate of descent) you would have to be more like 28g rather than 38.

lagarto
06-29-2012, 02:17 PM
Thanks for your answer Jet, what you say have logic, by " wing loading " you mean the weight that the wing can hold?
My wing has 9 gr weight i thinks itīs imposible to have one more lighter, donīt know how can I lose weight, any ideas? Micro builder made almost the same one with 25 gr.... donīt know how !!! jaja

Tjanks for your answer Jet !!!

Regards

JetPlaneFlyer
06-29-2012, 04:07 PM
No, 'wing loading' is the weight of the plane divided by the area of the wing. Wing loading largely determines how fast the plane must fly to stay in the air (i.e. avoid stalling)

The Elf is 1m span, your glider is 0.55m. Assuming the wing is a similar shape then that means that your wing area is only 0.3 of the Elf's wing area ( (0.55/1)^2)

So to have the same wing loading as the Elf the weight of your model would have to be 0.3 of the Elf's weight: 95g x 0.3 = 28.5g

Steve

lagarto
06-30-2012, 01:02 AM
Wow Steve thanks for that explanation, so I need to lose 10 gr? imposible, no way, at least with this glider...
I send you new video of today, a windy day !!!

Regards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrrSKUFU9pg&feature=youtu.be

JetPlaneFlyer
06-30-2012, 08:58 AM
Wow Steve thanks for that explanation, so I need to lose 10 gr? imposible, no way, at least with this glider...
I send you new video of today, a windy day !!!

Regards

not 10g.. 'IF' you wanted the model to glide at the same speed as the Elf you would need to be around 28g.. but it seems to fly pretty well as it is so dont worry about it;)

lagarto
07-23-2012, 08:33 PM
I just try a new way to build this wings, is faster and easy than the sand ones
here some pix and a little video of the test, itīs flys very nice...

video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-IjuS6G78U

lagarto
07-24-2012, 08:33 PM
I try a new way, faster and easyer to build it, it works fine !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKm6BBl8Bck