Where are the Old Planes??

[crashingsnotanoption]

I thought I found my heaven when I saw a Vintage and Old Timer Models discussion, till I realized till I realized they weren't models of vintage and old time planes. You see I have been looking all over for people interested in making models of planes that pre-date WWI. Those really interesting planes by Curtis and Farman and like the ones in the movie Magnificent Men and Their Flying Machines.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Vintage and Old Timer Models, they are the pioneers in the sport/hobby. I started with Free Flight and rubber models and still adore them.

I just want to find a discussion about those 1909 - 1914 planes. Anybody have any ideas?

[Franny]

Hmmm... I'm working on an E-conversion of a Taube kit from Balsa USA - .40 size. Does that qualify?

Franny

[TLyttle]

Check the Scale discussions, not only on this site, but on "others". Many of us whose interest is in sclae rubber just don't have the legs for the chase anymore, and have gone over to elelctrics with mini r/c. Lots of hints and tips to be had.

[crashingsnotanoption]

From what I know of Balsa USA, they are suppose to make a really fine Taube kit. Which one did you get?

I have some kits by RN Models, they have some great old planes. I just did a quick search on the internet and found a hobby shop that looks like they still carry some of them.

http://www.pennvalleyhobbycenter.com/rubber/rnmodels.htm

Even though they are smaller rubber models, they have really nice detail and I hope I can convert them to R/C electric.

[crashingsnotanoption]

Franny,

Read your post again and noticed you said .40. Would like to know how it turns out.

Les

[crashingsnotanoption]

TLyttle,

Can you recommend some other sites I should like at?

Les

[Franny]

Hi Les,

You might want to check out AerodromeRC: www.aerodromerc.com (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/www.aerodromerc.com) Lots of great WWI kits and also there is Dare: http://www.darehobby.com/airplane-electric-01.htm I have built the Dare Fokker DRI.; great fun. There is also a Wright Flyer... They have several lists of models over in the left pane.

There may be more out there. Maybe search for a specific aircraft and see what you get.

I will be posting something on the Taube soon. I have all the strctures built and am waiting on a motor and battery to complete the Fuselage. Probably about three weeks more work -ish... It is more "sport scale" and because of where I fly, I probably won't go nuts with rigging and scale mods, but it sure has that shape! I believe Balsa USA has two sizes; a .40 and .60. The .40 size is about the biggest I can fly at my field and the .60s get a lot more expensive. I have two size categories of models: the .40 and the 1/2A which allows me to swap out batteries and such and lower the cost of multiple models.

Let me know what you find.

Thanks,

Franny

[TLyttle]

Yeah, Les, try RCGroups (sorry, Mod) Electric Scale; Peter Rake is a frequent contributor to that site, and he designs and builds more WW1 and before than anyone else I know of. Many of his plans are published it AMI and other magazines, and are easily available. For awhile , most of them used brushed, geared motors, but now he has discovered brushless and lipos. Personally, I cannot afford to convert to the new systems, and there is no hint on how his new designs would do with my old stuff.

Am I wrong, or does Peter Rake have his own site? If so, just pick what you like...

[Up&Away]

I just want to find a discussion about those 1909 - 1914 planes. Anybody have any ideas?
I'm 5 years of with my 1919 White Monoplane. Is that still ok?

And these guys have some interesting kits http://www.manzanolaser.com/

[Cecil M Wethy]

Franny, Balsa USA makes a Taube 90 and 40. I don't know about the 60.
I have the plans for the 90, so I am sure of that. Good flying on your 40.
Cecil

[WillRockwell]

I'm working on a Spad made out of BluCor foam right now. Does that count?
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/willy111/01-21-07_1427.jpg

[Franny]

Thanks Cecil,

I will be posting a short build log on it in just a bit. I just received all the electrics for it. I'll be using the E-Flight46 motor and a CC 60A ESC. Boy that E-Flight motor is beefy!!! It should haul it around well. The Balsa USA kit is really more "sport" scale and does not include ailerons. I think the larger version does. If you would like some photos of a good replica, I have a bunch I took at the SeaTac museum just south of Seattle. They have a full scale replica hanging in their entry way. Great detail including the pull-pull wing warping and an original Mercedes engine. I'll probably post some when I post the build log.

Thanks again for the plans!!

Franny

[ZZZ9395]

I thought I found my heaven when I saw a Vintage and Old Timer Models discussion, till I realized till I realized they weren't models of vintage and old time planes. You see I have been looking all over for people interested in making models of planes that pre-date WWI. Those really interesting planes by Curtis and Farman and like the ones in the movie Magnificent Men and Their Flying Machines.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Vintage and Old Timer Models, they are the pioneers in the sport/hobby. I started with Free Flight and rubber models and still adore them.

I just want to find a discussion about those 1909 - 1914 planes. Anybody have any ideas?


I have been looking around for something similar.

Have you found something yet ?

[crashingsnotanoption]

ZZZ9395,

I have been pulled away to deal with some other things, so other than some research I have not moved very far along on this project.

Somebody mentioned Peter Rake as a very good resource for this vintage plane. I haven't contacted him yet because of my lack of time at the moment, but hope to soon.

Below is a bunch of websites that have some nice models, information and pictures. I own all the RN models, from a long time ago, and as I get into it, these are the ones I will be building first. Just started working on the "Caudron".

www.manzanolaser.com - Few pre-WW1 kits
www.pennvalleyhobbycenter.com/rubber/rnmodels.htm - RN models
www.arizonamodels.com/index.php/cPath/40 - really pricy WW1 kits
www.werkost.com/shuttleworth.htm - some nice photos of the real planes
www.largemodelassociation.com/ian_t-white_triplane.htm - 1/2 scale Avro triplane
www.geocities.com/aerohydro/mfm/scale3.htm - interesting resource
www.first-to-fly.com/Adventure/Workshop/modelkits.htm - Wright Flyer
www.sigmfg.com/cgi-bin/dpsmart.exe/MainMenuFV4.html?E+Sig - Demoiselle, Antoinette, Deperdussin, SIG has always made some nice kits.
www.balsausa.com/ - a few nice kits, I hear they are really well made kits.

(let me know if any of the links don't work)

I would be interested in hearing from others about what they have found.

Les

[Sky Sharkster]

Hello Les, have you seen this? http://www.ww1aerojournal.org/frontpage.html It's a site for aeroplanes (their spelling) from 1900-1920. Their site is currently under renovation but much of the material is available, like drawings, books, manuals.
Also, on the "Electric Warbirds" Forum there's a sticky with listings of kits, ARFs, plans and books for all eras of military aircraft. You'll have to wade through lots of WWII material, but some of the other links may be of interest.
Last, for small models, Free Flight and R/C, mostly stick-and-tissue, indoor, etc, all eras, go here; http://www.smallflyingarts.com/index.html
Plans, build threads, free downloads and a great Forum!
Have Fun!
Ron

[Up&Away]

Have you had a look at Dumas and Dare Products?

[crashingsnotanoption]

Ron,

http://www.ww1aerojournal.org/frontpage.html

This looks very interesting, but without discriptions, samples or some details it would be hard for me to justify paying for these things. Hopfully they will include some of the the above things, this looks like one of the best archives of this information I have seen.

Les