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Twizter68
01-04-2007, 05:59 PM
As an experiment for the eventual move of Man to other planets/solar systems?

aviatordave
01-04-2007, 06:04 PM
Would I still have to pay taxes on another plant? if not then count me in!

firemanbill
01-04-2007, 06:10 PM
I bet you could get some awesome flight times in 1/6 gravity! crashes wouldn't be nearly as hard either!

And another advantage our lekkies would have over the slimers!:D

Twizter68
01-04-2007, 06:40 PM
"lec flyers would work, but you'd have to have an atmosphere: that would only go on the worlds that have been terraformed!

Seriously though, Humanity has been in a population boom since the late 1800's, early 1900's; we are living longer, reproducing at an accelerated rate, with less arable land to support the expanding population. We have defeated, through modern medicine, the diseases that kept our population growth in check for thousands of years. Some estimate that in 100-300 years, Earth will not be able to support the population; others claim it will be sooner than that. We abandoned the moon in the early 1970's; had we not, a functional Lunar Colony could have been established years ago, and Mars, and other worlds, would be that much closer. Man must expand into the Solar System to survive; our world will eventually sustain another massive impact such as the one that changed the face of the planet and exterminated the dinosaurs, as well as 85% of all other life.

When will we step out again?

firemanbill
01-04-2007, 07:21 PM
oh you were serious!:eek: sorry...

I agree, we are running out of room, if nothing else. Not mention natural resources. I think the moon would have to be the first step. A proving ground of sorts to test out the ideas and concepts before moving forward.

Twizter68
01-04-2007, 07:26 PM
What...you thought I was joking....well...with my history...guess that's an easy mistake to make! ;)

WaldoXerxes
01-04-2007, 10:05 PM
I suppose we'd have to move of the planet eventually, but the only model flying that you can do on the moon that I can think of would be rockets... with canned oxygen on board. Perhaps I'm against the move then :)

Grasshopper
01-04-2007, 10:07 PM
I think my planes would still pull real hard towards Earth. They seem to be doing that lately.

firemanbill
01-04-2007, 10:30 PM
I think my planes would still pull real hard towards Earth. They seem to be doing that lately.


lol... Keep your chin up Tom. It'll get better.

simibill
01-04-2007, 10:34 PM
How many in favor of Lunar Colonization?

It's a little like the national debt. I think I'll let my grand kids, kids worry about it.

MountainFlyer
01-04-2007, 10:46 PM
I think my planes would still pull real hard towards Earth. They seem to be doing that lately.

But if you're on the moon and they pull towards Earth you'll have allot more time to react since its a quarter of a million miles away .. way less crashes!! :D

Grasshopper
01-04-2007, 10:47 PM
But if you're on the moon and they pull towards Earth you'll have allot more time to react since its a quarter of a million miles away .. way less crashes!! :D

I think I'm gonna need a better transmitter and receiver :rolleyes:

Crash Test Dummy
01-04-2007, 11:18 PM
Personally, I'm against it. Can you imagine how long mail order RC stuff would take, and the shipping costs would be more than your order!!!

CTD

Airhead
01-05-2007, 03:07 AM
I think there is medicine for that now.:rolleyes:

Tinman
01-05-2007, 09:59 PM
I wouldn't mind taking a vacation on the moon... but to live there? humm I think i'll pass.

:)

TLyttle
01-06-2007, 02:46 AM
Hey, we did such a great job of screwing up this planet, why not share our inimitable talents? Next, Mars!!!

TeslaWinger
01-06-2007, 03:19 AM
Better check the forecast for Solar Storms before venturing out past the radiation shielding! The future is underground, young Martian Morlock.

In The Matrix movie, Agent Smith said something about the human race being a VIRUS! That is why we have a Pole Shift every 12,000 yrs to wipe the planet clean for awhile for future hunter gatherers to marvel at the Pyramids once again... Nature's Revenge! Sorry, Mars won't escape it either! Best to remain in orbit for a year or so till things settle down, like the Anunaki did...

Martian Colonization? WE'RE DEMANDING MARTIAN INDEPENDENCE! :O

Give me Liberty - or give me OXYGEN!!!!

max-nix
01-06-2007, 04:39 AM
I nominate Al Gore to be the first colonist!

Crash Test Dummy
01-06-2007, 06:49 AM
I nominate Al Gore to be the first colonist!
I'll second that!! Can I get an Amen?
CTD

Airhead
01-06-2007, 07:10 AM
So the mother ship will have a pilot after all. :)

Tinman
01-06-2007, 12:45 PM
Better check the forecast for Solar Storms before venturing out past the radiation shielding! The future is underground, young Martian Morlock.

In The Matrix movie, Agent Smith said something about the human race being a VIRUS!

That is one great trilogy!:)

TeslaWinger
01-06-2007, 10:48 PM
Twizter68;132779 Some estimate that in 100-300 years, Earth will not be able to support the population; others claim it will be sooner than that.

An opinion written before the drastic climatic upheaval we've experienced lately, I'm sure. Factor in wildly erratic and damaging weather and the ability to grow huge harvests is diminished severely. Worse still is the Genetically Modified foods with their terminator gene for guaranteed corporate seed sales next year- with unknown effects on humans and all of nature's plants. The stage is being set for a famine that will kill off billions.

We abandoned the moon in the early 1970's; had we not, a functional Lunar Colony could have been established years ago, and Mars, and other worlds, would be that much closer. Man must expand into the Solar System to survive; our world will eventually sustain another massive impact such as the one that changed the face of the planet and exterminated the dinosaurs, as well as 85% of all other life.

In the 70s they didn't have the technology or experience to sustain and supply a moon base- even if they could have designed, built and delivered one. What they didn't know then about Solar radiation flares would have ended it badly long ago. The science wasn't ready- and digital technology had not yet apeared. The hardware was experimental to say the least.

Today's space effort won't be saving anyone if another Extinction Event takes place and finishes us. If the poles of the sun- and all the planets reverseon December 21st 2012 all that science and civilization will just be washed away, once again, like we were never here... only the Pyramids will remain to again warn future inhabitants of Earth about the recurring worldwide tsunami and the fire in the sky.

When will we step out again?

Our DNA shows we were down to 30 mating pairs or so after one critical Near Extinction Event, the "bottleneck" in our chromosomes that shows how close we came that time.
Maybe in the next 12,000 year cycle they will also crawl out of the caves and become a worthy civilization and maybe even bypass a few mistakes we made along the way- like keeping all our human eggs in one Terran basket!

Twizter68
01-08-2007, 02:12 PM
In the 70s they didn't have the technology or experience to sustain and supply a moon base- even if they could have designed, built and delivered one. What they didn't know then about Solar radiation flares would have ended it badly long ago. The science wasn't ready- and digital technology had not yet apeared. The hardware was experimental to say the least.

Today's space effort won't be saving anyone if another Extinction Event takes place and finishes us.

Yes, but had we continued the Lunar effort, the technology could have developed at a more rapid rate. Technological advances are more often than not, driven by need. From 1901 until the 1930's, open cockpit biplanes were the most prevalent aircraft around; once WWII kicked off, the need existed for faster, more maneuverable aircraft on both sides. Nazi Germany led the way, and aircraft development exploded, with thoousands of technological advances in aviation coming in a few short years. Same with shipbuilding, computers, cryptography, radar, radio, etc. etc. The Space race took us from unmanned, poorly guided rockets in 1945 to men on the moon in 1969. Space tech stalled at that point until the late '70's with the advent of the shuttle, then stalled again. The limiting factor in both stalls was the disintrest of the administrations and the populace to push the program. The drive to the moon, for all intents and purpes, only started in 1961, and in 8 years we were there.

TLyttle
01-08-2007, 05:22 PM
I didn't realise that they had established a date for the polar flip routine; seems to me that the last time it happened was ~11,000 years ago, and the victims pointed to are the Mastodons, frozen solid with fresh grass in their stomachs. That, gentlemen is flash freezing at an unbelievable scale, possible only by exposure to outer space... Even the meat is edible.

Also, a book sometime ago (Ages of Gaia?) mentioned that mankind was an infection, and the Earth (a living, complete, organism) has to shake off the infection when it becomes dangerous to its health.

Makes ya wonder about the worth of your pension funds, doesn't it?

Twizter68
01-08-2007, 07:00 PM
And some theories as to why the reversion happened include a massive comet or asteroid impact. Would explain a few things; continental drift, boulders in places no boulder has a right to be, might even explain the beginnings of the legend of Atlantis. Quite a few religions point to a major natural catastrophy (ie, the Great Flood of Noah). Clive Cussler even wrote a rather good novel about an advanced civilization wiped out by such an event, but based a lot of the fictional story on historical and geological events.

TeslaWinger
01-08-2007, 07:02 PM
I didn't realise that they had established a date for the polar flip routine; seems to me that the last time it happened was ~11,000 years ago, and the victims pointed to are the Mastodons, frozen solid with fresh grass in their stomachs. That, gentlemen is flash freezing at an unbelievable scale, possible only by exposure to outer space... Even the meat is edible.

See the Mayan Calandar- it ends on that date- after 12,000 yrs!

Polarity reversal will reverse the rotation of the Earth and all the air and seas will lag behind and be the engine of destruction that wipes the surface clean. The mastodons were probably near the equator when it started- and ended up at the poles when the Earth shifted- and froze along with all the lush vegetation around it. The frozen land at the poles were moved to thaw somewhere more temperate. It's gonna be a REAL BAD DAY!

Also, a book sometime ago (Ages of Gaia?) mentioned that mankind was an infection, and the Earth (a living, complete, organism) has to shake off the infection when it becomes dangerous to its health.

Once you realize that all those trees, plants, and everything else is ALIVE- it makes you wonder! Perhaps she is as wise- and ALIVE- as she is BIG!

Makes ya wonder about the worth of your pension funds, doesn't it?

You mean you haven't specified getting your retirement in EUROS????

TLyttle
01-09-2007, 05:01 AM
Hahaa! Ya just gotta stay close to the guy writing the cheques is all!

Yeah and it's the air motion that will be the biggest force, same as before: atmosphere 200 miles thick in some places, crushing everything, ground level in others, freezing everything solid instantly: take your pick, just like anyone can predict this event! The ocean follows along wiping away what's left...

On that thought, happy new year...:-0

TeslaWinger
01-10-2007, 01:58 AM
Yeah, TL- and oceans 2 and 3 miles deep.... good day to be 'out of town!'

Here's a description of the event I found in the Atlantis Rising Archives. Lots of non-mainstream theories that take into account things like Out Of Place Artifacts and all the things the Official Explanations have to ignore to be believable.

Whoever built all the pyramids all over the world knew the cycle of these shifts and built it into the architecture, aligned to the stars with stunning precision and a tunable crystal structure (King's Chamber) for... what?! Torches would have left soot on the ceiling- so how did they light the interior?

The Mayans prepared for 200 yrs before it hit and spread their culture and science around the globe and started over, like the Atlanteans before them.

The best reason for all this I found in an AR mag. The solar system travels a sinosoidal path and moves above and below the arms of the Milky Way's Galactic Plane. In so doing it sees a different polarity and it flips to align itself to it, just like the Magnets 101 experiment... but a lot messier!

Altho its left unsaid in Sitchen's tale of Utnapishtim's Flood, The Anunaki knew it was going to happen- but they neither caused it or could do anything about it. It was bigger than them too! Design flaw or auto-renewal? Will Enki again provide an escape for a 'lucky few' who get to start over? We'll have to wait and see...

Happy New Year.
Keep your shields up!
TW

http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue9/ar9poleshift.html

TLyttle
01-10-2007, 02:21 AM
Interesting stuff; I've been following all this through Sitchen, Velikovsy, von Daniken, etc, just for curiosity, but it does give one pause. Most fun is to quote stuff like this to the JWs that bang on your door; I have never had to send them away, they leave on their own accord...

TeslaWinger
01-10-2007, 03:10 AM
Several widespread isolated cultures have legends of this being the Fifth Realm, there having been four previous floods and entire world populations all but wiped literally from the face of the Earth, save but a few. Talk about RECYCLING!

Suddenly those sody pop bottle's 400 year lifetime look paltry!

Perhaps the only way to survive it- besides being in space and deeply shielded from the Sun's radiation- I would imagine she'll be seriously unstable for awhile- would be to bore deep enough into stable bedrock in the middle of a techtonic plate and go out like the Morlocks! The Tunnel Boring Machines haven't been resting on their Chunnel laurels, you know- and they work underwater too- and hope you picked a spot that won't be under a mountain when its over!!

We know less about the nearest body of water or what is beneath our feet under the Earth than we do the light years of space above us. Maybe there is more to learn here before we commit to another multinational project like the Space Station. Between NASA and Star City its a real puzzle palace! Mars mission from these characters? Multiply by a hundred! :O Roger. Da!

Let Burt Rutan build a space Ark! Scaled Composites, take me awayyyyy...!

Dorsal
01-13-2007, 07:57 PM
You should read the book "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A. Heinlein.
It explains in very clear detail the implications of living on a planet with no atmosphere that is tidally locked to another planet.
And you WILL pay for the air you breath.

TeslaWinger
01-14-2007, 12:08 AM
Great cuisine! Tops in service... but.. alas.... no atmosphere...
:D
TW

TLyttle
01-14-2007, 01:52 AM
HAHAA! Good one, TW.

All fun stuff... Didn't Al Capp have a shot at Life On The Moon in the 50s? Atmosphere trapped in a crack in the plane on the dark side, or some other impossibility. Yet he was right about wrist radios and tvs, technology that wouldn't seem unusual now. Not many of Dick Tracy's practical toys that haven't beome reality.

Another old, old book was "When Worlds Collide"; they did a movie, and I read the book, but very few read "After Worlds Collide", which followed the events after the rocket lands on the other planet...

TeslaWinger
01-17-2007, 12:18 AM
TL, what in the ... universe... got into Al Capp back then? Something he read somewhere? This was pre-StarTrek! The Magnetic Space Coup, MoonMaiden (that lil cutie!), wrist TV and the entire technoworld he envisioned was seriously different from the storylines of his day. Maybe he joined Richard Nixon and Jackie Gleason on their trip to see 'the craft' at Wright-Pat... 8D !

It might turn out that Earth is owned- or farmed- or .. what? By... whom? All I know is they left a book- entitled...

"To Serve Man"

I don't savvy their lingo - it could be a cookbook for all I know... :D
Beware!! Look To The Skies...
TW

TLyttle
01-17-2007, 05:48 AM
Hilarious stuff...

Yeah, Ol' Al was on a roll alright. Not too many guys who are 50 years ahead of their time that I have seen lately!

A cookbook sounds about right to me: global warming is likely the oven being turned up! However, a few have offered up the thought that there is indeed a "higher intelligence" out there, and Earth is just another Petrie Dish, and when it screws up to an unsalvageable level or shows the experiment is a failure, then it just gets flung out, cleaned, and a new experiment starts.

Glad I'm as old as I am; whatever comes next won't bother me much!