any interest in an "Old Timer, Vintage and Nostalgia" Forum? [Archive] - WattFlyer RC Electric Flight Forums

Mike Parsons

10-15-2005, 07:05 AM

I have added a poll for you SS.

I will talk with Marc about formalizing a process for requesting new forums. Right now a poll works in the appropriate forum. However, where the appropriate forum resides is another question. I will leave it here for now until a better place can be determined or created.

Cheers,
Mike

watt_the?!

10-15-2005, 09:28 AM

Were you asking about an old timer forum for the planes, or the flyers?

hehe..i like the cut of your jib!

Sky Sharkster

10-15-2005, 02:09 PM

Hi Mike, Thanks for posting the poll! I've come across a couple more links for vendors so will post the list here. Sorry about the duplication from " Support + Suggestions".
Rules and S.I.G.s:
www.vintagercsociety.org (http://www.vintagercsociety.org)
www.electricaircraft.org/2003rules.htm (http://www.electricaircraft.org/2003rules.htm)
www.antiquemodeler.org (http://www.antiquemodeler.org)
Vendors, Kits, Plans
http://www.jimoreillymodelplans.com
http://www.skybench.com
http://www.soy.on.ca/Plane2.html
http://www.bhplans.com
http://www.quietcow.com
http://www.freeflightmodels.com
http://www.aalmps.com
http://www.bmjrmodels.com
http://www.earlyrcmodels.com
http://www.classicaircraftmodels.com
http://www.modelaircraft.com (AMA Plans Service)
I'll bet there are more but this list should get you started! Also there are listings from time to time on eBay for O/T kits and plans, usually (but not always) under (Toys and Hobbies) " Free Flight Kits", "Controline Kits" and "Radio Control Kits". Good Hunting! Ron

bob2005

10-15-2005, 06:13 PM

Ron; You have my support. I think it would be a great place to find
out how one finds out what the brushless specs are for SAM electric
LMR.
Bob

Electrick

10-22-2005, 05:00 PM

Great list of links, Sky Sharkster.

The last link is slightly incorrect. It should read http://www.modelaircraft.org

Rick

jbart

10-23-2005, 03:11 AM

really great...

tim hooper

10-23-2005, 10:00 AM

I will talk with Marc about formalizing a process for requesting new forums....

Mike,

I like the idea of a vintage-based forum!

I'd be careful about being too eager to formalise a process though - I'm sure there's more than one forum that has effectively choked on its own administrative procedures......

tim

Sky Sharkster

10-23-2005, 01:56 PM

Thanks to everyone (so far) for the support! I have another link, this one is for the "indoor and Micro" modeler. Believe it or not there are kits and micro gear available for O/T models.
http://www.falconmodels.uk.com carry kits for the "Tomboy", "Brigadier" "Scram", "Poppet", "Chatterbox". "Debutante"" and "Mam'selle". Most were designed by Vic Smeed. They also carry WW 1 Bipes like the DeHavilland DH2, DH 60 and of course, the DH82a "Tiger Moth". Also the SE5a.
The electronics are incredibly small and light; 4 channel FM RX on either 35 or 72 MHz, 2.3 grams!
1.7 gr servos, 1.45 gr ESC, and a "Block" called the "Falcon Breeze Block", RX and 2 servos built on, 5.25 grams.
Any size, any powerplant, Old Timers are cool! Ron

E-Challenged

10-23-2005, 05:50 PM

I am interested in electric power conversions of classic model airplane designs from the 40's through the 70's including some of the oddball designs like Roy Clough's Martian Spaceship and flying saucers. I've had a hankering to build an EP version of my ole single channel Sterling Mambo.
This forum could include info on lightening structures, adding elevators and ailerons and modifying lifting stabs for multichannel controls. :)

qban_flyer

10-23-2005, 06:10 PM

I'm all for it!

Photo of my scratch built E-P "Coronet" @ the C.A.S.A. field and one of the "Red Zephyr" and I at the DC-RC field are found below. These are but two of the 11 e-old timers I currently own.

I also own a "Radio Queen" and a 1938 "Trenton Terror" among others.

qban_flyer

10-23-2005, 06:21 PM

I've had a hankering to build an EP version of my ole single channel Sterling Mambo.
:)

AHHH! You are correct, the "Minnie Mambo" will make a lovely e-conversion with an AXI 2208 up front.

Scan of an ad that appeared in the October 1961 Model Airplane News issue is attached below.

timocharis

10-23-2005, 08:37 PM

This is confusing. The title is "any interest?" (no) but the poll is "should there be?" (why not?)

Dave North

qban_flyer

10-23-2005, 08:41 PM

Were you asking about an old timer forum for the planes, or the flyers?

Both? Pleaseeee!!!!

Dennis

11-01-2005, 02:00 AM

qban_flyer

11-01-2005, 02:07 AM

Being new to this site am still trying to figure out how to submit photos of the Waco. Any replys are welcom. Happy Flying.

Attaching them to your post is easy. Just xcroll down from where the dialogue window where you type your post is. you'll find a button marked Manage Attachments. Click on it and a window to upload your attachments will appear. Click on one fo the browse buttons within the window, look for the location of you photo in you hard drive or whatever storage media you have them in, then click on the Upload button to get it to the server.

You can upload as many as five as five attachments at once.

bob2005

11-01-2005, 03:48 AM

A vintage forum would be great. Am presently trying to figure out how to convert a 1/6 scale Pica Waco kit to electric. Suggestions from anyone ! Have covered the top wing, rudder, and elevator so far with Sig Koverall and that stuff is great.Still undesided on what brand of paint to use. Any suggestuons?Being new to this site am still trying to figure out how to submit photos of the Waco. Any replys are welcom. Happy Flying.

Dennis; The Pica Waco is not an "Old Timer" and probally not "Vintage" or
"Nostalga" Just an old gasser kit. Anyway, for electric conversion I think
using Sig Koverall will add much unnessary weight to the Waco. Koverall is a fabric that needs a doped finish. I'm suggesting Fibafilm or Micafilm. Both
are the same product and come in various colors and are iron on covering
with a finish already on the material. It is made from random polyester threads and the material and very strong. I have used Fibafilm on a 84"
.60 engine, old timer R.C assist model, now 10 years old and still flying.
Bob

50+AirYears

11-01-2005, 03:19 PM

Dereck

11-01-2005, 04:22 PM

I like the heading definition of "OT, Vintage and Nostalgia" - true vintage is great, but have seen tendencies for suchlike to bog down.

Do we really care if a replica of the the 1946 "Thunderbubble" should have 3/32" music wire or bamboo splints for the UC struts? Not much...

Is the sky improved by someone building and flying a 1946 "Thunderbubble"?

Dead right it is

I just found a photo of one of my earlier electric models - now completely superceded in most respects by better technology. Does a 1995 Speedy Bee with a ferritte 540 and 8 x 1200SCR count as 'nostalgia' ?

Dereck

50+AirYears

11-01-2005, 04:58 PM

It is kind of hard to categorize electric MA as such into these categories. Sucsessful electric flight, especially RC flight, is really quite new. Probably things like the Wasp, Amptique, and a couple others would have been around long enough to be nostalgia, but for the next 20 or 30 years, the OT and Vintage categories would logically be used to refer to electric conversions of the older glow and ignition engined designs, possibly in similar terms to which SAM and AMA list them. If someone reproduced the tethered efforts for the old Flying Flapjack, (V-173/XF5U) series, or some of the Bell, Sikorski, Piasecki and Vertol tethered expirements for helicopter and V/Stol designs, that might definitely be OT, but from then to the late 70s or there abouts, there wasn't much in electric at all, and even less for electric powered RC. The current electric CL flyers are really the new kids in town, followed by a few years the RC, and then the oldest of them all, the FF people.
Sounds like a great challenging opportunity to come up with acceptable definitions

bob2005

11-02-2005, 02:14 AM

I think that since the Pica Waco has been around since the late 60s, it probably would qualify as a Nostalgia rating. Definitely not vintage or old timer, though.
Another factor in lightening a kit is the application of lots of sandpaper and elbow grease.

My coment about the Pica Waco not being nostalga has upset some contributors. S A M (Society of Antique Modelers) defines a nostalga model being designed between 1/1/43 to 12/31/56. I felt that the Pico
Waco was an old gasser and should have been posted in "Gas and Glow
to Electric Conversions. In any event, I did answer the covering question.
I feel that a fabric and dope covering is too heavy for electric and suggested Fibafilm.
Bob

50+AirYears

11-02-2005, 02:47 AM

My comments were more on the order of trying to get people thinking about how the eras could be defined. While Model Aviation has been around since at least the late 1800s, and electric flight, especially the sucsess and subsequent popularity of RC flight, has only been around for a little over 20 years, how do we do it? Should we separate the eras by milestones in purely designed for electric flight, and then have another category for previously designed conversions? Expand on the SAM definitions to blend in the VRCS categories for the recip to electric conversions?Just askin', not attackin'.

Sky Sharkster

11-02-2005, 03:33 AM

Since I started this discussion, Thought I'd stick my 2 cents in; To me the whole idea is to have FUN. If there's a plane from the past that's stuck in your mind and you would like to have an E-Powered versions of it, I say Go for it! Doesn't matter if was Ukie, FF, R/C glow or even more recently, R/C Electric. Glider, Jetex (remember those?), Peanut Scale, Rubber-powered, whatever. We (the electric flyers) may be the ones to help define what power system is "scale-like" or matches the origional power output, maybe not. That shouldn't stop anyone from building and flying what they want.
Now if it comes to contests, there will have to be rules to insure a somewhat level playing field but honestly, how many O/T's or Nostalgia or Vintage planes are flown in a contest? My (limited) experience has been that the O/T groups are glad to see ANYONE bring an old design out to fly. There may be a learning curve while the "E-Power" vs "Glow Power" ratio gets sorted out but don't let that stop you.
Just so we all have the "Vintage" classes sorted out I will copy the "Eligibility" paragraph from the Vintage R/C Society site.
Any model airplane that employed radio control and was kitted, published or flown (attested by the builder) prior to January 1, 1970 is eligible under VR/CS rules. There are 3 classifications; Pioneer, prior to Jan. 1, 1950. Vintage, prior to Jan. 1, 1966 and Nostalgia, prior to Jan. 1, 1970.
There are other rules (S.A.M.)for true Oldtimers including FF, C/L, etc. But these are guidelines. If you want to have a certain plane, get the plans and build it! Just my opinion, Ron

50+AirYears

11-02-2005, 03:35 PM

I remember the Jetex. I even have three current scratch built Vintage and one newer kit repro of a Vintage design from a 1952 Air Trails.

As a member of VR/CS, I like their categories, but would somehow phase in the SAM definitions for non-RC models.

My 9' Lanzo RC Stick is definitely an Antique, but could qualify under the Pioneer category. The design won the first RC contest in 1936.

Lanzo was quite a guy to talk with.

zibby2

11-02-2005, 07:30 PM

I'm all for it. We might consider that SAM has been around for quite some time, and their rules etc. seem to work fine. In that light, why don't we just reference their rules to answer the questions that are sure to come... ie. defining what is nostalga, old timer etc. I would bet a shiney new quarter that a lot of our membership is comprised of modelers who are active in SAM type competition or have been. Zach

bob2005

11-03-2005, 12:41 AM

zibby2, Zack; I totally agree with your coments about SAM rules for a reference guide for Antique, Old Timers and Nostalga. I am also inviting
all the SAM members to cast a vote for an "Old Timer. Vintage and Nostalga" forum. I think we would have a lot of good input.
Bob SAM 433

OT John

11-07-2005, 11:24 PM

I would love to see such a forum. All I fly are old-timer and nostalgia although predominately greasy at the present time.

bob2005

11-08-2005, 01:32 AM

I would love to see such a forum. All I fly are old-timer and nostalgia although predominately greasy at the present time.

I fly SAM competetion. At the SAM Champs I took a 1st in LER electric a few years ago. My son has taken 2 firsts in LER Electric. My greatest thrill
was flying a full size Bomber in Texaco, with 28cc of fuel and getting a 30
minute flight. I would love to see a O T forum where we could share ideas.
Bob

RonJ

11-09-2005, 04:12 PM

When my thumbs and brain get tired working on 3D stuff I like to relax in my lawn chair with my Playboy. Only in my 70's now so still like to stir the air up a bit. When I get into my 80's and 90's I will probably fly the Playboy more.

RonJ

ZL3VML

11-11-2005, 08:21 AM

My 1941 "Baby Bombshell" by Bob Peru.
This is a 1/2A Texaco version of the 1939 "Buzzard Bombshell" by Joe Konefes.
I started it as a 1/2A Texaco but ended up fitting it with an EPS-350c and two Lipo's
Weight is 17oz and I get 25-30 min flights per charge.

I Think a vintage forum is a great idea.

Mark

qban_flyer

11-11-2005, 04:26 PM

That's a wonderfully looking Buzzard you have there, Mark.

If it flies like the original it should be a marvelously relaxing flying machine. :)

guapoman2000

11-11-2005, 04:56 PM

Great thread!

I bought a Glow version Thunder Tiger Scooter (57 inch wing span) and outfitted it with Himax HA2025-4200 in the GWS EPS-300/350C ("C" gearing, 5.33:1 ratio) and the GWS "Slow Flyer" 10 X 4.7 Propeller. The juice comes from a 2nd generation Thunder Power 2100mAH, 10C, 3S1P, Li-POLYs.

Wide Open Throttle: 16 Amps
Take off at 1/2 throttle and cruises at 1/4 Throttle.
Just shy of 27 oz. fully flight ready.
Provides me with 40 minute flight duration.

For $35.00 used at the local hobby store, it was a very good value.:D

One picture shows the typical 60 degree incline take off from grass field:D

Carlos:)

guapoman2000

11-11-2005, 05:22 PM

It just hangs in thermal activity once it is up about 60 - 100 feet and throttle is just a notch below 1/4 throttle.:)

RonJ

11-11-2005, 06:43 PM

Hey Carlos,

Nice Scooter. What are those funny looking trees, can't be pines. Pines and oak are all we have at our field.

RonJ

guapoman2000

11-12-2005, 05:28 AM

Hey Carlos,

Nice Scooter. What are those funny looking trees, can't be pines. Pines and oak are all we have at our field.

RonJ

RonJ,

Funny...:D I don't know what those trees are called but, if you are referring to the ones at my Orlando Club they are the best thing to have if you happen to have your model poop out and not reach the field...many many times we have landed on them and no damage!

The Club at the coast (Space Center) is a totally different story...you land on those palms or large Oaks..you will need to bring a hufty trash bag:D

Thanks for your kinds words about my Scooter...I really enjoy flying her and she looks great in the air!

Carlos:)

bob2005

11-12-2005, 12:58 PM

In my free flight days I discovered a magnetic attraction between a tree and balsa wood and now I have come to realize that the same tree magnetism atracts styrofoam. I remember in the gasser days all Cox engines always started up backwards regardless of what direction the prop was turned. After long thought on the problem I concluded that the
"black hole in space" contributes to this phenomia. This is also why
T-shirts always come out of a washing machine in side out. Have a good day.
Bob

50+AirYears

11-13-2005, 01:54 AM

Any kind of tree has a magnetic attraction for almost any kind of plane. At a local mall show some years ago, one of the FF guys was demonstrating a Formula indoor microfilm job. Ended up at the top of an 18' plastic palm tree.

Sky Sharkster

12-10-2005, 03:30 AM

Guess I could have posted this under "Events" but this thread might reach the O.T. fans quicker; August 26-27, 2006, Arvada Colorado (N.W. greater Denver area, roughly between Golden and Boulder) at the Arvada Associated Modelers Airpark, A "Fun Fly" for Vintage, Nostalgia and Old Timers. CD is Travis Mcginnis (travismcgnn@comcast.net), this is the second year of the event. I attended the Saturday last year, helped time flights, etc. It was GREAT!! Lots of beautiful old (design) planes, everything from the '30s to the '70s, vintage pattern jobs, Sailplanes, Dallaire's, Playboys, all flown on a huge paved runway. Food, Porta-sans, canopies, modeling heaven!
The prizes were just as good. Travis spent a lot of time rounding up appropriate awards; Too many to list.
Travis has agreed to have an "Electric Only" LMR O.T. duration event to avoid the problem of equalizing the motor runs for Ignition, Glow and Electric. The Ignition models will have their own Duration event.
In addition, Electric-powered models will be eligible in "Pattern" events as long as the AIRCRAFT fits the rules. They may also be sized up or down. My avatar is a 1/2 size "Astro Hog" powered by an AXI 2208-26. This would be eligible.
Now's the time to start building that O.T.!! Ron
P.S. I will post a flier as soon as they're made up.