ExtremeFlightRC Vanquish

[Mike Parsons]

While I have been flying a pre-production unit, I picked up the production unit yesterday from Chris @ extremeflight. I will document the build here. If anyone has any photos to share, by all means post em :)

Wingspan:48"Length:52.5"Wing Area:425 sq. in.Weight:43-46 oz w/batteryPower:Torque 2814/820
Airboss Elite 45 Amp ESC
4s1p 2100-2500 LipoRadio:4 channel with 4 sub-micro servos

[Mike Parsons]

Photos

[Mike Parsons]

Motor mounting

Here is a recommendation for anyone building this plane. The instructions call for you to install the motor prior to attaching the motor mount. This is a good call on Chris's part as it is easier with the cage off of the plane. I got to thinking however, that if you ever need to get your motor on and off, it will be difficult as the lock nuts are on the inside of the cage. It will be a challenge to get a pair of needlenose that far up in the cage to grip the nuts.

So instead, I inserted the hex bolts from the inside and the bolts on the front of the xmount. Even though they are locknuts, I suggest loctite

[mysticplayer]

Why not just use blind nuts and a bit of blue loctite? Never have to worry about dropping those nuts again.

Nice looking plane. Wow, these things are getting pretty big - almost '40' size.

Very nice looking plane.

Jerry

[Mike Parsons]

Thanks Jerry. You certainly could use Blind nuts (although not provided). If going that route, the holes might need to be opend up a bit and the hub on the blind nut would need to be pretty shallow as to not extend past the Phenolic plate. The other option would be to use basswood filler behind the motor plate to pull the blind nuts back some. But that is just more work :)

[compflight]

This Vanquish looks so much like my Brio 10 there must be a connexion

[compflight]

Motor mounting


So instead, I inserted the hex bolts from the inside and the bolts on the front of the xmount. Even though they are locknuts, I suggest loctite

In my limited engineering knowlege I was always taught never to use locktight with nylock nuts. Use ordinary nuts and blue locktite, or nyloc type nuts only. I understand the locktite can attack the nylon which then leaves less threads of metal benefiting the threadlock to hold it secure.

[Mike Parsons]

Hey Compflight,
I dont disagree, but I have never had a problem. The nylon ring is at the outer part of the nut and there are metal threads that allow the loctite to bond. Just my 2 cents :)

The Vanquish is designed by Mike Hall (formally aerolockmodels) and Chris Hinson. Of course the Brio is designed by QQ Somenzini. F3A Pattern planes will often resemble each other as they are designed on what works. Long Tail moment, tall canopy for better side area in KE and ample control surfaces if it is an artistic aerobat. For example, the CA models below (http://www.cerebus.co.za/pattern.htm), Genesis, Zafiro and eclipse. And the 2m virtuoso that Extremeflight almost brought to market.

http://www.cerebus.co.za/ca/genesis/fotoarf.jpghttp://www.cerebus.co.za/ca/genesis3d/modelos.jpghttp://www.cerebus.co.za/ca/zafiro/zafiroready.jpghttp://www.cerebus.co.za/ca/Eclipse/eclipsepre.jpg

[compflight]

I must also add that I used to do the same thing, but it is the possibility that it could happen that makes it bad practice. In critical engineering situations I would never allow it, and never do it myself these days. It depends on the materials used in the nylock compound and the threadlock itself; time and temperature. Chances perhaps are thousands to one nothing would happen, but in a mission critical situation the chance can not be even considered. I guess it will not make one cents worth of difference on our small models so carry on and dont be too concerned. But if you want to put back parts of an engine on a real plane let me know before I fly in it.

BTW I still think there is more than just many coincidences between the Brio 10 and this. The engine bulkhead and fuz design is almost copied. But from what to what? Does any one know what come first?

[Mike Parsons]

I have both and they are far from copies. If you had both of them side by side it is very obvious.

Brio 41 inches.

Vanquish- 48"

[firemanbill]

That's a nice looking bird Mike. That may be next in line for my boy. He has pretty much mastered the mini Funtana now and we're looking to move him up a bit.

I'll be paying close attention to this one!:ws: (so will he!)

[compflight]

I have both and they are far from copies. If you had both of them side by side it is very obvious.

Brio 41 inches.

Vanquish- 48"

How do they compare flying wise. I'm into pattern rather than 3D
What are the flight times and what pack. All info is much appreciated to make an informed decsision as to see if it is worth getting this onewhen I have a Brio 10 - which is fantastic. Should sure take something to beat it.

[compflight]

What are the main differences between the Brio 10 and the Vanquish?

[Mike Parsons]

How do they compare flying wise. I'm into pattern rather than 3D
What are the flight times and what pack. All info is much appreciated to make an informed decsision as to see if it is worth getting this onewhen I have a Brio 10 - which is fantastic. Should sure take something to beat it.
Both do excellent in pattern. The Vanquish feels lighter on the wing since it is larger with lighter wingloading. The Brio is snappier and I found that I was often flying out of maneavuers too soon.

I found the Brio to be more in the pattern arena, while the Vanquish is more of a hybrid pattern/artistic aerobat. It 3D's really well, where the Brio didnt.

Donatas flew the vanquish against 2M planes in lithuania two weeks ago and won the contest.
" Finally i finished first video of Vanquish, it is P07 (FAI class) flight from this weekend F3A competition (one of Lithuania cup rounds) in Alytus. Weather was great so i could make pretty nice flights and win competition. It is amazing how well this small plane fly ( in video it is only 4th flight with this plane..), because of Vanquish i don't want to fly my old 2x2m glow F3A planehttp://static.rcgroups.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif "Here are some videos of the Vanquish flown by Arne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCDRZO18O0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyTyc6d77fw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BG3roen-UA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey767Pa4J_I

[Mike Parsons]

What are the main differences between the Brio 10 and the Vanquish?

Larger for one which requires a larger power plant, but still on 3S.
The Brio 10 utilizes more sheeting, while the Vanquish is open frame and utilizes cross members to strengthen it up.
The Vanquish has larger control surfaces which require at least HS 65's.
The Vanquish utilizes a canopy latch system, while the Brio canopy is held on via magnets (never had the Brio canopy come off however)
The Brio uses plastic control horns, while the Vanquish has phenolic horns.I cant say anything bad about the Brio as it is a good plane. I flew it with the Power 10 and 3S 2100. It was a rocket. I just feel the Vanquish fly's better with a lighter feel. I think the Brio would be better on the Power 480 and 3S 1800, but that is just speculation as I have never flown it with that combo. I did watch QQ fly it on the 480 and it did both pattern and 3D well. Of course he could make a brick look aerodynamic.

[pvtzemerak]

gj mike :)

[Mike Parsons]

Thanks PV,
I am still flying this plane today. Goes to the field with me every trip :)