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CorsairJock
10-12-2005, 06:35 PM
Surprised I couldn't find a thread on these yet, so I'll start one.
Been flying electric (and fuel power) aircraft for 25 years, and decided to try out one of these $30 (or less?), 1 oz RTF, 2 channel airplanes. Before I even flew it, I was think of converting it to proportional 3 channel, possibly using the Cirrus micro flight pack with 2 servo, rx, and ESC for about $100, weighing about 12 grams all together. I don't know how difficult it would be to install, nor how much weight it will add, nor whether the tiny aircraft could handle the additional weight. So for now, I'll leave it stock and see how thinks go.
As I alluded to, the controls are not proportional: the rudder is either centered, all left, or all right depending on which button is pushed, The speed control is likewise: all on or all off. This will be my 1st attempt ever at flying an aircraft with no elevator control.
Winds were finally calm enough today to try out, so here are 1st impressions:
It takes a little more room to fly this than one may expect: for the launch, just a little flick of a toss is needed, you don't really throw it. It will begin a gentle climb, but don't attempt a turn right away. Instead, let it get some altitude. If you keep it low, it is easy to get 'into trouble', so let it get up there some before attempting that 1st turn.
Turns are accomplished by momentarily pushing the appropriate turn push button. DO NOT HOLD DOWN the PB, or it will quickly fall into a spiral and crash. Fortunately, at only 1 oz flying weight, damage is slight if any.
For the most part, I found myself just trying to keep it within a reasonable range, no acrobatics of any type were (intentionally)attempted. I would fly it around for about 30 seconds, then 'land'.
I found mine glides rather fast when power is off, I plan to add a little up trim and a little motor down wash. If I add the up trim only, it tries to climb to steeply when power is on, so some motor repositioning is needed. And at this point, I am really not liking NOT having a proportional elevator control. But still, for $30 it flies.
After flying it, I decided to remove the landing gear. It seems to have 2 purposes:
1) to add about 1.5 grams to the weight
2) to make the plane flip over EVERY time opon landing
Thus, I have just removed about 5% of the weight, and am ready to try again. All up weight is now 27.3 grams (originally 28.9).

ozace
10-13-2005, 12:34 AM
fun fun fun . I have had mine for 12 months and its a great novalty item

KenK
10-13-2005, 01:01 AM
I was going to post about the Micro Flyer but never did. So here goes!!!
I have been doing RC since 1950's.. Just recentli I started in electric flight...This is just like the early RC rudder & throttle off only. At first I tried to look at this plane like a normal model. I found all kinds of fault with it!! Tried asjusting lhings......STOP!!!!:confused:
Then I said just take it out of the box. Charge it & see what happens.. I have had 4 now. Most of them turnes slightly left at start & if left alone will climb left Fast!!! If you button the trottle you can keep it down low. Jab or 2 on rudder & I can fly this in my back yard around trees over the house & have a ball!!! I take it to work & keep it in my truck. At lunch time I use it a my "Stress Reliever". I have let other guys fly mine & they then want one.. So now I carry 2 spare & sell them when I get someone hooked!!! Then I go order 3 more. I do not make anything on them just like getting people "HOOKED" maybe they wil progress up???;)
I have 3 gas RC models, 3 electrics...but this one really is fun.
I use the spare transmitter from my crashers to just charge.. That way I save my TX bat longer...
Now in a slight wind I have managed to do barrel rolls & snap rolls..
Get it high..release power hold left rudder till it winds up then hit oppisite rudder & hold power it is amazing!!!! I can even get a tight loop out of it!!!
For $30 it is a blast!!!!
KenK

CorsairJock
10-13-2005, 05:48 PM
I had an even better day to fly today (VERY calm wind), and executed a barrel roll, thanks to suggestion by KenK.
Yes, they do all seem to want to turn left. And I have noticed on mine that left turns are more forgiving: a right turn is more likely to develope into a spiral.
While 'blpping' the turn buttons is pretty much required when power is on, I am able to maintain the rudder when power is off, now that I have trimmed it for slower glides (by adding downthrust and up trim).

So, next question: has any-one performed some serious mods to any of these, such as radio transplants?

Alphonse Penaud
10-16-2005, 10:32 PM
I moved the radio gear and motor from a WAMF into a foam airframe from a rubber-powered rtf. It flew ok but somewhat under powered so I used the wing from a Harbor Freight twin-rudder pusher e-free flight plane. Flew great but got it too high and out of range,watched it thermal oos. My gripe about the wamf is the short range. I understand that adding 2 more cells to the tx helps this,increasing the length of the rx antenna might help too but I've tried neither.I think any of the harbor freight planes would do well with the wamf gear,also any stick-n-tissue P-nut or walnut kit. I think it would be fun to get 2 wamfs on different freqs and combine their radios into a push-pull twin design (Rutan Defiant?) with an actuator on both rudder and elevator,both of which are in the front on the Defiant.

qban_flyer
10-16-2005, 11:20 PM
Surprised I couldn't find a thread on these yet, so I'll start one.

I was reading about this new Micro Flyer on this here site earlier this morning.

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1830

http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/157105.asp

Tommyr
10-22-2005, 01:56 PM
I bought one but didn't like it at all.

You want to try something AWESOME go to Toy's 'R Us and buy a Air Hogs "Aero Ace"! $30 and indestructable! Seriously, it blows the Micro flyer out of the water! Man it is a BLAST and can fly in VERY VERY small spaces, I fly mine in my 1/8th acre backyard! These things are becoming VERY POPULAR with the small plane crowd.

Formerly sold in Europe as the x-twin by Silverlit.

Tom

qban_flyer
10-22-2005, 07:30 PM
I bought one but didn't like it at all.

You want to try something AWESOME go to Toy's 'R Us and buy a Air Hogs "Aero Ace"! $30 and indestructable! Seriously, it blows the Micro flyer out of the water! Man it is a BLAST and can fly in VERY VERY small spaces, I fly mine in my 1/8th acre backyard! These things are becoming VERY POPULAR with the small plane crowd.

Formerly sold in Europe as the x-twin by Silverlit.

Tom

I'll have to trek to Toys "R" Us to check those Hogs out.

opquickie
02-22-2006, 02:07 AM
yep, the aeroace is amazing. haven't seen anything come close in the sub $30 range.

MegaByte-2
03-23-2006, 10:11 PM
Hi All;

Got a Micro Flyer and a Rookie abt a month ago. The WAMF does fly but I cant say I was really impressed. It seems heavy for its size. Thinking abt gutting the electronics and using the wing on a J3 styrofoam homeade. The Rookie flies much better. My son claimed it right off. I also have 4 AeroAces. Yep, for $30 they are in a totally diff catagory. We use 2 just for contact combat as Bipes. One is a modded to a monowing. Check out threads on mods for them. Some people have gutted them and made foam F22's ! Just make sure to do the diode mod on the Tx so you can steer with the power off.

Tony

E-FLYERDUDE
06-23-2006, 06:45 AM
how do u mod the tx to allow the plane to turn with the power off.

MegaByte-2
06-23-2006, 03:44 PM
You are referring to the Aeroace's I presume?
You'll need to add 2 1N914 or 1N4148 signal diodes to the PCB. Its very simple to do. You can get 10 ar Radio Shack for $1.30.
It allows you to steer the AeroAce when no throttle is running. Its a big help.
Unscrew the antenna from the Tx, remove the back screws (7ea), 3 are under the batteries and the sticker by the antenna. It holds the 2 1/2's together.
Then just solder them to the points in this picture. They actually go across the IC (black Blob"). The pic was done to clearly show the solder points, not actual position. There actually is a control in the rectangular slot. It doesnt have to be removed, the author of the pic did it just to have a nice place to draw in.

Here are some AA links with many mods"

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=444953&page=73&pp=15

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=460819&page=96&pp=15

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476593&page=66&pp=15

Tony