New spread spectrum system announced by Horizon Hobby for parkflyers

[admin]

NEWS FLASH. Just got this from George Hicks. Very cool stuff for parkflyers using spread sprectrum. A breakthrough for air...

Guys,
I thought you might be interested in Horizon's new Spread Spektrum system for aircraft that debuted today at 11:00am CST in LA at the I-Hobby Trade
Show. I've been a part of the beta testing team and the new DX6 is a
wonderful radio system directed primarily at foamies and parkflyers. The radio utilizes similar 2.4Ghz Spread Spektrum technology as the surface based radios employ. I've been flying the system for quite a while now in foamies and micro helis and it has been completely interference free. The biggest difference between the air and surface systems is that the aircraft version use two receivers in a single package...also each dual Rx package has two 3.75" antennas which are great for foamies because of the reduced length. Basically the end user sees no more glitches or PPM hits plus the reassurance that no one can blame a foamie for shooting down a 72MHZ based system. I love going out to the field and walking right past the frequency board. When guys ask what channel I'm on I say that, "I don't really know". :)
Feel free to let your friends know about this new product. I think this
may ultimately be the new approach to how we deal with frequency / interference problems in the future. I also think this product certainly indicates the beginning of a new chapter in R/C aviation's history.
I believe the cost of the system will be around $200 for the Tx, Rx, and 4 servos....$60 for additional Rx units.
Here's a website for more information on the DX6 and other SS technology:
http://www.spektrumrc.com (http://www.spektrumrc.com/)

George Hicks

[rcers]

That is too cool. Great price no crystals to worry about and no more frequency control.

Wonder how fast the others will jump on this.....

Mike

[Doppelganger]

I'd like to know what the range is for say an electron 6, and this new dx6?
They say it's "enough". I think it mentions a 1/2 mile. Does anyone know what the range is for an electron 6? I take my park flyers very high every now and then. So range is definately an issue for me.

Steve

[aeropal]

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[rcers]

I'd like to know what the range is for say an electron 6, and this new dx6?
They say it's "enough". I think it mentions a 1/2 mile. Does anyone know what the range is for an electron 6? I take my park flyers very high every now and then. So range is definately an issue for me.

Steve
Electron 6 and 72Mhz full range TX's are about 1 mile. Although you could never see most planes at that distance.

They listed 1/2mile, and did not recommend it for gliders.

I'm still on board.

[LuckyArmpit]

Okay, so you won't shoot down somebody's B-17 bomber with 4 engines on it and over a year's worth of work. Fine. And there are no "channels" associated with spread spektrum? So what happens when you show up at field with your spread radio system thingy and another guy shows up with his? Do you shoot each other down? And what if your gonna buy another rx for another foamie? How do you know your going to get the right signal or channel to match your tx? Sounds okay for parkies since they don't get too far away from you anyways. Hay, anything is better than a hitec feather eh?

Dave...

[debhicks]

If you study the specs on the radio it will work like this.

There are 80 channels. You turn on the transmitter and it seeks the next available channel and gives that information to the receiver. No shooting down. No frequency conflict. Now if you just so happen to be person number 81 then you'll have to wait. Probably better that way anyways. Chances are someone else will have a plane that looks .....JUST LIKE YOUR :)

[ForestCam]

If you study the specs on the radio it will work like this.

There are 80 channels. You turn on the transmitter and it seeks the next available channel and gives that information to the receiver. No shooting down. No frequency conflict. Now if you just so happen to be person number 81 then you'll have to wait. Probably better that way anyways. Chances are someone else will have a plane that looks .....JUST LIKE YOUR :)

Make that 40 seeing as how it uses two at a time for flight.
Your DX6 selects the channels for you.
When you fire it up, your DX6 automatically searches for, selects and locks onto two clear channels. That's all there is to it. And because international regulations for the band are very strict, your radio will neither sustain interference from — nor cause interference to — any other 2.4GHz device worldwide. And that applies, of course, to its simultaneous operation in close proximity to other 2.4GHz RC radios as well.

[Doppelganger]

If you study the specs on the radio it will work like this.

There are 80 channels. You turn on the transmitter and it seeks the next available channel and gives that information to the receiver. No shooting down. No frequency conflict. Now if you just so happen to be person number 81 then you'll have to wait. Probably better that way anyways. Chances are someone else will have a plane that looks .....JUST LIKE YOUR :)

Actually, it seeks out 2 channels. The exrta one is for redundancy. So that if the receiver looses one signal, it switches over to the other in a couple millisecs. :)

(EDIT) Oops! Late on the post. Disregard.
Steve

[N3CLI]

The range of the Electron 6 double conversion is over one mile.

More than enough to make the largest plane appear invisable at best.

Fred:) AMA68196

[admin]

this is for parkflyers only right now. it does not have full range as a "normal" system has. I'm sure a full range system must be in the works. For now this is great for all parkflyer and backyard flyer type planes or helis.

[Doppelganger]

I like the idea that there is an audible alarm that sounds when you are close to the maximum range.:)

Steve

[rcers]

Okay, so you won't shoot down somebody's B-17 bomber with 4 engines on it and over a year's worth of work. Fine. And there are no "channels" associated with spread spektrum? So what happens when you show up at field with your spread radio system thingy and another guy shows up with his? Do you shoot each other down? And what if your gonna buy another rx for another foamie? How do you know your going to get the right signal or channel to match your tx? Sounds okay for parkies since they don't get too far away from you anyways. Hay, anything is better than a hitec feather eh?

Dave...

Dave maybe you ought to read the article posted. It addresses all of these "concerns".

This is the future of our sport. Watch and see, I suspect you will see these from all the radio manufactures (Airtronics already has their surface one relesed).

4 pages of reading material here:
http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6.html

But in a nutshell the TX when turned on does not broadcast any signal. It scans for 2.4g devices in range and selects an unused part of the spectrum to broadcast on. So when the next guy shows up he detects your signal and so on. 79 TX's allowed on at one time before you have an issue.

Mike

[1987tc]

It shows at least that they are doing more then just talking about it!

[rcers]

It shows at least that they are doing more then just talking about it!

No kidding. Nice to see that someone is addressing the issues with 72 mHz (here in the states). Great to be on 2.4gHz.

It will be interesting to see what kind of home phone, wireless router rejection it has also.

Great idea, fantastic price and sure looks like the future is here to me.

Mike

[1987tc]

I am also pleasently surprised at how good the 1st air system is and the price is also with in reason.
Competition should only make this better.

[Mike Parsons]

Hmmm...I might have to get one of these to test when it becomes available.
-Mike

[bsoder]

if you do helis, I hear this only has three-point curves.

[ForestCam]

No kidding. Nice to see that someone is addressing the issues with 72 mHz (here in the states). Great to be on 2.4gHz.

It will be interesting to see what kind of home phone, wireless router rejection it has also.

Great idea, fantastic price and sure looks like the future is here to me.

Mike

If you haven't noticed, the cordless phone is already on it's way up to the 5.4gHz range.

[rcers]

Yea amazing...

[larrymcg]

I guess this system still has the issue of someone driving to the flying field with their spread spectrum transmitter already on! With 80 channels maybe the odds are fairly good that a mishap will NOT occur?
--Larry

[Doppelganger]

One can always come up with a scenario for disaster. But, your scenario can happen with equipment we already use. ;)

[ForestCam]

I guess this system still has the issue of someone driving to the flying field with their spread spectrum transmitter already on! With 80 channels maybe the odds are fairly good that a mishap will occur?
--LarryNo, like stated above the transmitter will only transmit on clear channels so if there aren't two channels available it won't be transmitting anything.

[larrymcg]

ForestCam,
Is that true even if the channels were clear when the transmitter was turned on?
--Larry

[rcers]

ForestCam,
Is that true even if the channels were clear when the transmitter was turned on?
--Larry

OK yes I guess if you turn your TX on for the 30 minute drive to the field and the yours is on ch 1 and 2 (for example) and the guy at the field is on and his set picked 1 and 2 then you would conflict when in range.

So according to their web site the redundant feature would kick in and one guy would go to ch1 and the other ch2.

Who knows?!;)

In that case the if you crash the guy driving up owes you a new plane and airborne system just like today. Nothing is foolproof.

Nothing stops that from happening today on 72 mHz systems either.

I am more interested in the rejection from home base cordless phones and wireless routers. Two large current users of that spectrum.

Mike

[debhicks]

I believe this system has been in development and testing for almost 7 years. Those who have been involved surely have tested the interferance from Tele's and other things. Power lines etc. I hope.

[Azarr]

I couldn't resist and backordered one. However, I can't believe with all the features it has that there is no DR or Expo for the rudder. With the 3D craze at the moment, it's one (two) feature that's needed.

Azarr
www.ecubedrc.com (http://www.ecubedrc.com)

[rcers]

I can't believe with all the features it has that there is no DR or Expo for the rudder

Yep a big oversite... That is one of my few complaints on mr RD8000 (airtronics) as well.

I hope they use at least 6 character names for modes too!

Mike

[Rabbitcreekok]

According to an article I read recently on Spred Spectrum technology, eventually we will be able to purchase a new RF module for our transmitter and the proper receiver to change the existing transmitters over to SS.

The SS technology has been used in RC cars for years. Part of the problem with airborne SS has been concern about the antenna always being exposed to the signal, hence two antennas and two reaceivers.

Seems like a great deal to me.

[rcers]

Gang - my review (on the "other" site) is done and published!

Take a look and let me know what you think!

http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4936

Mike

[debhicks]

Very nicely done. Thank you.

[rcers]

Thanks Debbie - I had a blast....

Mike

[ragbag]

A question was brought up about range somewhat back in the thread. I was reading in one of the magazines, can't say which one at the moment, that the range was 3000 feet under certain conditions.

The ad did say FOR PARK FLYERS. Most park flyers would be a speck in the sky at 3000 feet.

Also in this thread was mentioned that not recommended for gliders, they colud reach 3000 feet under the right conditions.

I guess if we always remember the parkflyer warning it could be a very good system for funflys and indoor flying. Except for climb and glide type events the range would be exceptable.

$0.02
By George:)

[Geoff_Gino]

Hey Mike

Great report, well laid out and most informative. You certainly tested a variety of planes as well which will help with choice of planes for the system.

Mine is already on back order and I CAN"T wait.

Geoff

[Azarr]

I see the release date has slipped again to Mid Dec :(

Azarr
www.ecubedrc.com (http://www.ecubedrc.com)

[ragbag]

Got this from the home page, technical FAQ.



Quote:What is the range?
Typical range is about 3000ft. depending on conditions. End Quote

Thought I would see if I could clarify a previous statement that I had made.
By George

[ragbag]

Got this from the home page, technical FAQ.


http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/FAQs/Default.aspx#technical


Quote:What is the range?
Typical range is about 3000ft. depending on conditions. End Quote



Thought I would see if I could clarify a previous statement that I had made.
By George

[debhicks]

Sit back and relax. Don't expect anything until First of Jan. You can hope for a sooner date. I am hoping they will have resolved the issue of not having mode one available before they ship so we can accomodate all our mode flyers out there. I hope:) I keep pestering my sales person about it.

[rocket_jim]

Sit back and relax. Don't expect anything until First of Jan. You can hope for a sooner date. I am hoping they will have resolved the issue of not having mode one available before they ship so we can accomodate all our mode flyers out there. I hope:) I keep pestering my sales person about it.

Is there a good place on-line to find out the latest guess at availability of this new DX6 radio besides: http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=dx6&OverallCatID=

They are still showing Mid-December.

I want one, but realistically I won't be able to wait till January, if that's really the latest guess. And if today they are guessing January, then what year? Frustrating, to say the least!

[debhicks]

Horizon is trying very hard to meet the announced date. I think they will make a mid December arrival on Mode 2, but I don't think Mode 1 will be available right away.

I am sure it will be well worth the wait. It's always frustrating when you are waiting on a new toy. I get that way when I am waiting on my new computers. Or my rubber stamps when I order them. Or that new cell phone. They always finally get here. But my fingernails are all chewed off by the time they arrive;)

[50+AirYears]

From what I picked up from the adds, the two antennas need to be maintained at a 90 degree angle to each other for best operation. I wonder how many people will be B g about range problems after ignoring this point.
Everytime you build something to be foolproof, along comes a new degree of fool to overcome your best efforts.

[rocket_jim]

From what I picked up from the adds, the two antennas need to be maintained at a 90 degree angle to each other for best operation. I wonder how many people will be B g about range problems after ignoring this point.
Everytime you build something to be foolproof, along comes a new degree of fool to overcome your best efforts.

Considering that the antennas are 3 1/2 inches long, it seems it would be tough to mess them up unless deliberately twisting them together or around some other wiring.

There is an old saying about making things Foolproof, but never ever D___ FoolProof.

[crash_alot]

From what I picked up from the adds, the two antennas need to be maintained at a 90 degree angle to each other for best operation. I wonder how many people will be B g about range problems after ignoring this point.
Everytime you build something to be foolproof, along comes a new degree of fool to overcome your best efforts. According to the Spektrum engineering vice pres, it is not necessary to keep the antennas at 90 degrees. It is a good idea, but not necessary. Also, range is 1000 feet, not 3000. The next generation SS radios will have increased range. BTW - I got this info from him at the JR E festival early Nov.

[crash_alot]

According to an article I read recently on Spred Spectrum technology, eventually we will be able to purchase a new RF module for our transmitter and the proper receiver to change the existing transmitters over to SS.
Our current FM radios use analog signaling to control airplane servos and ESCs. SS radios use digital coding to control airplanes. It takes quite a bit more than a new RF module to convert an old XMTR to SS. In the US, such a conversion would probably need FCC approval. Sounds to me this approach is not cost effective.

The SS technology has been used in RC cars for years. Part of the problem with airborne SS has been concern about the antenna always being exposed to the signal, hence two antennas and two reaceivers.

Seems like a great deal to me.
Not sure what you mean by "antenna always being exposed to the signal" If the antenna was not always exposed to the signal, the receiver would not work. The 2 antennas are for a technique called diversity reception. The brains in the receiver sample the signals from each antenna and pass the best one on for further processing. This enhances signal to noise ratio improving performance in high noise/interference environments.

[rocket_jim]

<snip>
Also, range is 1000 feet, not 3000. The next generation SS radios will have increased range. BTW - I got this info from him at the JR E festival early Nov.

This is the first time I've seen the 1000 foot range number in print. your source certainly sounds credible.

Was sure I read it at 3000 ft. in a FAQ, but I cannot find it now. Perhaps it was a typo and was removed or corrected.

And I read a review where someone ground-range-tested it to 1/2 mile, so the 3000 foot number made some sense to me.

Hope they bite the bullet and write down the real range some time soon. Personally I'm getting tired of the "more than sufficient for a parkflyer" or whatever they have been calling it. If it's 1000 feet, then say 1000 feet.

And PLEASE get it shipped so some of us real people can use it and see for ourselves instead of staying inside on these discussions.

[qban_flyer]

Yep a big oversite... That is one of my few complaints on mr RD8000 (airtronics) as well.

I hope they use at least 6 character names for modes too!

Mike

From page #37 of the DX6 owner's manual, the one dealing with model naming: "The DX6 allows a three digit name to be input for each of the ten models available."

From the owners manual as well: "Servos: Weight: 7.5 gr, Motor type: coreless, Torque: 17.2 oz". A rather nice feature for a radio in this price range is to include coreless servo motors. :)

[Azarr]

Our current FM radios use analog signaling to control airplane servos and ESCs. SS radios use digital coding to control airplanes. It takes quite a bit more than a new RF module to convert an old XMTR to SS. In the US, such a conversion would probably need FCC approval. Sounds to me this approach is not cost effective.



That's exactly how they introduced the car market to spread spectrum though. Modules to replace the 75 Mhz modules are readily available for the popular car radios. I would think they would be eager to transfer this same technology to the Air market.

http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/Default.html

The "3000 Ft" range came from this FAQ http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/FAQs/Default.aspx
HOWEVER, this FAQ deals only with the Car radios. I've never seen anything other than "more than sufficient for a parkflyer". At the JR event I heard 1000 and 1500 ft, both from Horizon reps.

Although they don't have the S75 markings, the servos seem identical to the E-Flite S75 servo which makes sense considering that Horizon/Spektrum/E-Flite are tied together business wise. I've been using some for a while now and they are amazingly smooth although they do have some minor play in the gear train, but nothing different from most of the servos this size.

Azarr
www.ecubedrc.com (http://www.ecubedrc.com)

[crash_alot]

That's exactly how they introduced the car market to spread spectrum though. Modules to replace the 75 Mhz modules are readily available for the popular car radios. I would think they would be eager to transfer this same technology to the Air market.

http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/Default.html

The "3000 Ft" range came from this FAQ http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/FAQs/Default.aspx
HOWEVER, this FAQ deals only with the Car radios. I've never seen anything other than "more than sufficient for a parkflyer". At the JR event I heard 1000 and 1500 ft, both from Horizon reps.

Although they don't have the S75 markings, the servos seem identical to the E-Flite S75 servo which makes sense considering that Horizon/Spektrum/E-Flite are tied together business wise. I've been using some for a while now and they are amazingly smooth although they do have some minor play in the gear train, but nothing different from most of the servos this size.

Azarr
www.ecubedrc.com (http://www.ecubedrc.com) Azarr,

I can't speak to the SS car radios. However, the Spektrum aircraft SS implementation requires quite a bit more than a new RF module. Such things as channel hopping, transmitter/receiver imprinting, and diversity reception are digital logic external to an RF module. Also, such transmitter modifications require FCC approval and installation by a licensed technician here in the US. According to the link you post, the SS modules work only on transmitters designed to accept them.

The Spektrum FAQ does say 3000', but it is not for the park flyer radio.

[crash_alot]

This is the first time I've seen the 1000 foot range number in print. your source certainly sounds credible.

Was sure I read it at 3000 ft. in a FAQ, but I cannot find it now. Perhaps it was a typo and was removed or corrected.

And I read a review where someone ground-range-tested it to 1/2 mile, so the 3000 foot number made some sense to me.

Hope they bite the bullet and write down the real range some time soon. Personally I'm getting tired of the "more than sufficient for a parkflyer" or whatever they have been calling it. If it's 1000 feet, then say 1000 feet.

And PLEASE get it shipped so some of us real people can use it and see for ourselves instead of staying inside on these discussions. For reasons I don't recall right now, the Spektrum engineering dude stated the DX6 has limitied flux density (range) to be about 1000'. It is not unreasonable to get 1/2 mile range out doors in an open field from this system. They are working on a higher power system for larger slimers and gliders and such. There are a large number of variables effecting range with this technology. Nailing down an exact range number would not be wise.

[Matt Kirsch]

I'm sure the 1000' claim is just CYA, and the actual range is much longer. The liabilities associated with airplanes are much greater than those with cars, hence the extra precautions JR is taking (e.g. redundant channels, officially limiting the range to 1000').

[rcers]

From what I picked up from the adds, the two antennas need to be maintained at a 90 degree angle to each other for best operation. I wonder how many people will be B g about range problems after ignoring this point.
Everytime you build something to be foolproof, along comes a new degree of fool to overcome your best efforts.

Yes that is best but not necessary.

On my range test I aligned them in the worse position, and it still passed with flying colors.

MIke

[rcers]

This is the first time I've seen the 1000 foot range number in print. your source certainly sounds credible.

Was sure I read it at 3000 ft. in a FAQ, but I cannot find it now. Perhaps it was a typo and was removed or corrected.

And I read a review where someone ground-range-tested it to 1/2 mile, so the 3000 foot number made some sense to me.

Hope they bite the bullet and write down the real range some time soon. Personally I'm getting tired of the "more than sufficient for a parkflyer" or whatever they have been calling it. If it's 1000 feet, then say 1000 feet.

And PLEASE get it shipped so some of us real people can use it and see for ourselves instead of staying inside on these discussions.

The range is well beyond 1K feet.

I am a real person - I don't work for Horizon or Spektrum RC...

Take a read at what I think about it...

http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4936

Mike

[Mike Parsons]

Well done on the review Mike. Well thought out and easy to read. Kudo's :)

-Mike

[rcers]

Thanks Mike!

I continue to be impressed by this system. The best thing is going to the field turning it on and flying. It resolves the parkflyer frequency issues and is a great start to the new 2.4GHz band.

Mike

[Jeremy Z]

1) rcers, you are one lucky dog

2) I too, wish they would publish a real number. A frequency as high as 2.4 GHz will penetrate almost anything, so it shouldn't be hard to tie down a real range. I'm sure the real reason that Horizon Hobby didn't put a range in writing is because they didn't want people make the decision to buy based on range alone. They wanted us to read about all tne nifty features, THEN consider the range. It sounds to me like this system will be good for any current plane designed for electric. (excluding the big sailplanes) I know it will fly my first 5 models. (and that's saying a lot, since I've only got two now!)

3) All the people who've backordered them now, they will be my other gophers. (aside from rcers) When a few more people rave about how great it is, then I will buy one. None of this backordering out-of-stock items monkey-business for me.

4) I don't know how they can have the foresight to include a range limit buzzer, but not a timer for when your battery is going to die. The two seem to go hand-in-hand for parkflyers. Still, that is easy enough to get around. I'll either wear my G-Shock watch (which has a countdown timer) or attach a small timer somehow. When they come out with the second generation of them that DOES have the timer and rudder expo, the first generation will be cheap until they're out of stock. In their defense, you can't think of everything.

5) When they do come out with a more "rangey" model for sailplanes and big slimers, you can bet your @$$ that it won't be $200. I'd bet it'll be at least $300. To some, that doesn't matter. To me, $100 is a lot of dough. Still, seeing as how the transmit power on any device in the 2.4 GHz band is limited to 750 mW, I don't know how they're going to improve the range. They've already got a full-wavelength antenna on the Tx and Rx...
I can't wait to hear what you back-order guys say about yours when they come in. Until then, I'll "make do" with my Optic 6, w/ Spectra.
What are you thoughts of the Spektrum DX6 vs. the Polk system? The Polk will still have full range, but it is not quite as flexible. It does have 100 model memories though. Oh, and a boxy, 1980s-looking case. (not that it's important...)

Jeremy

[rocket_jim]

The range is well beyond 1K feet.

I am a real person - I don't work for Horizon or Spektrum RC...



Yes of course you are a real person. I had seen your article earlier and appreciated it.

I guess what I was stumbingly referring to is less of a world-renound writer and more of a good ole boy who has to explain each credit card purchase to his spouse at the end of the month, or even pay cash.

His review would go to his good buddies, not necessarily the entire world, and might be something like: Hung that newfangled radeo that Cousin Sid sold me cheap on the nephu's Slooo Stikc with some duck tape, and boy did it fly grate. It fleu all the way out to the end of the back 40 and back with no getting lost or slamming around. I didn't even hav to wrap the antenna around the wing on this one, since it's so gulldurn short. In fact, I used that there other wire to tie it onto the plane. Saved me a tie wrapper! Good gear!

[rcers]

I hear you guys, I have no skin in the project that is for sure. I too usually wait to see how the everyday modeler likes something before I buy.

There is no question that the system is bleeding edge of technology. It will get better, have more features and attract a large audience when they have a "full range" system out.

I sure like the direction, and the fact we are no longer tied to 50/72MHz for our systems. I also think 2.4GHz was a great choice as the most of the new home corldess phone and network stuff will all be 5.xGHz and above.

I also can't wait till JR, Airtronics, Hitec and Futaba have their offerings here too. Who knows if they will choose 2.4GHz, but competition is a great thing.

Also impressive is the fact that Horizon/Spektrum didn't release a simple(ish) 3ch all in a box system. They easily could have put a cheapie on the market aimed at the trainer park fliers.

Hopefully we will see these shipping before the holiday's and then I can see what you guys think!

Mike

[50+AirYears]

One of our local hobby shops got one of the 4 channel units in about 3 weeks ago. He had a price about 10 bucks less than what I've seen it advertised for. Slightly higher than some of the 4, 5, and 6 channel radios he sells.
He has also been using one, and says he has sold two others.
He likes it, although he doesn't care much for computer radios himself.

[rcers]

One of our local hobby shops got one of the 4 channel units in about 3 weeks ago. He had a price about 10 bucks less than what I've seen it advertised for. Slightly higher than some of the 4, 5, and 6 channel radios he sells.
He has also been using one, and says he has sold two others.
He likes it, although he doesn't care much for computer radios himself.
These must be the car systems - as the air system is not released yet.

Mike

[Jeremy Z]

...Also impressive is the fact that Horizon/Spektrum didn't release a simple(ish) 3ch all in a box system. They easily could have put a cheapie on the market aimed at the trainer park fliers...
That will be the next one probably, eh? A 3 or 4 channel, 5 memory one for $150. ;)

I wonder how long it will take Hitec, JR, & Futaba engineers to buy and reverse-engineer them?

Jeremy

[rcers]

I wonder how long it will take Hitec, JR, & Futaba engineers to buy and reverse-engineer them?

I suspect they are not waiting ;). I am pretty sure Airtronics has a car system????? (I might be wrong here).

Mike

[daughtry50]

Good info guys! I had intitially read about the range and didn't think it was enough. Now I want one! Seems I'm always waiting to get the latest thing. Things are advancing so fast in this sport, it makes you lightheaded. As far as the limit on model names, I don't use that, since the model number is what comes up first, I just put the model number somewhere on the plane. Good review rcers (how do you pronouce that?)

[rclark]

Just read the review. Nicely done. Not sure why the park flyer limitation though. Why not just transmit at the 1W limit period and get maximum range given the channel select capability??? Marketing I guess .. I must note that most gas/glow planes are flown in about the same area as some park flyers (my Jitterbug, AcroCub, and Groove comes to mind as I fly them at a glow field) . Only sailplanes seem to 'spec' out .... although I hear of some parkies 'specing' out as well ....... Wait and see I guess :) .

Anyway I notice this from your review ... The DX6 transmitter does not have an internal diode, so fast peak charging can be accommodated through the case connector without removing the battery, this is always a big plus. Now that's nice. I never quite figured out why manufactures did not do this to begin with as most of us have fast chargers ..... Anyway now you don't have to worry about 'forgeting' to plug your Tx in the night before you go flying! Just get up 20 minutes early and fast charge the pack and away you go to the field!

But why does JR has to have a 'backwards' polarity for plug though :rolleyes: .... Another 'special' pigtail ... Or for that matter pos instead of neg shift in the 72mhz range like the competition... Seems market limiting to me ... Which brings up another point ... Hopefully all the Hitec/Futaba/JR/etc will now be able to intermix Rx's and truly be manufacture Tx indepentent in the new 2.4G range .... No crystal as pointed out, so it's just the protocol that needs to be standardized .... Won't hold my breath though (wishful thinking ) :) .

[qban_flyer]

Good review rcers (how do you pronouce that?)

ARE-CEE-EHRS? :D :D :D

[rcers]

Thanks rclark!

Yep Qban Flyer just like it sounds RC er s. You know what we are RCER's!

Mike

[batman]

Ah-see, errrrrr....

[debhicks]

Just got off the phone with Horizon. The radio's are on the water. Mode 1 conversion and ordering will be available approximately 2 weeks after the first batch is shipped out. Yeah.

[rcers]

The radio's are on the water.

O yea!!! That means we should see them in distribution in about 2-3 weeks so long as the container doesn't fall off the ship!

Mike

[debhicks]

Oh you speak with a forked tounge. Shame on you:)

[inconel710]

It won't take long for the other radio manufacturers to put out similar systems. Given the fact that Horizon is the US distrubutor for JR and the obvious similarities between this radio and the JR line (charge plug, case design is a dead ringer for a JR683) I think JR will "come out of the closet" first.

[crash_alot]

It won't take long for the other radio manufacturers to put out similar systems. Given the fact that Horizon is the US distrubutor for JR and the obvious similarities between this radio and the JR line (charge plug, case design is a dead ringer for a JR683) I think JR will "come out of the closet" first.
FYI - Spektrum is a company formed by JR expressly for developing SS radios. The DX6 is JR's entry into the SS world.

[debhicks]

Spectrum is a Horizon Hobby Exclusive. It has been a project in the works for 7 years. If someone else is getting on the band wagon then they probably are hanging back to see if Horizon hits flat on thier faces.

JR works with Horizon in a close partnership for their line of radios. The cases used on the spectrum were indeed old discontinued cases from JR. They didn't see a problem at this time helping out with parts they were not going to use again, for Horizon to come out with this system. Otherwise they would still be waiting for cases to be made for these and they would not be available.

Currently they are only available in Mode 2 and the Mode 1 will (hopefully) ship after the first of the year. The Mode 2 units in a very limited supply will hit dealer doors today. Some will get their full orders and other only partial as in our case. However, they are hitting the ports within the next two weeks. Meeting their deadline as promised before Christmas if only in limited supply.

I hope that information helps. I just got off of the phone as I am pestering about mode 1 for a customer.

[TopFoam]

I just picked up my Spectrum radio today. It was the only one that my LHS received today in Chandler, AZ.

[rcers]

Cool - Let us know how you like it!

[debhicks]

Ours just hit the door so you know who you are. They are going out today if I can pack fast:)

[debhicks]

And I couldn't pack fast enough and the time just flew by. They will go out first thing in the AM. Brick and Mortar got real busy this afternoon. That's not a bad thing but just missed the post office. Will let you know they are shipped.

[TopFoam]

This is my first compter radio, and it looks like I'll be able to fly a jetliner with this manual. I reall yneed to fgiure out the Flaperon setting for my A-10. That will be worth alot to me.

And having that little antenna will be worth at least $8.00 a month, since I usually break an antenna every few weeks.

Anyone know when the extra RX will be available?

[debhicks]

The receivers are supposed to be to dealers so they can be shippable by the 30th. Of Dec. :)

[ragbag]

According to the Spektrum engineering vice pres, it is not necessary to keep the antennas at 90 degrees. It is a good idea, but not necessary. Also, range is 1000 feet, not 3000. The next generation SS radios will have increased range. BTW - I got this info from him at the JR E festival early Nov.
Why would they have the 3000 feet in the FAQ section of their home page?
Curious.
George

[defranci]

Why would they have the 3000 feet in the FAQ section of their home page?
Curious.
George
This test in Flying Cirkus using GPS for measurement got well beyond 3000 feet with 1 minor glitch.
http://www.flyingcirkus.com/forum/Flew_and_Biff-_tested_JR_Spread_Spectrum/m_96209/tm.htm
The guys I spoke with at the JR Fest last month were saying 1/2 mile.

[ragbag]

Stopped at the local hobby shop today. His only one went out the door an hour before I got there. They are on backorder already. Guess I should have called before going by there.

Oh yes, the local hobby shop for me is 50 mile down the road. Maybe I'll get the next one and see what it will do with my foamies.

Curious about the servos, no one has mention using other equipment with their recievers.

By George

[rcers]

Curious about the servos, no one has mention using other equipment with their recievers.

By George
They work fine with others....I tested with 5 different servos/brands.

Mike

[TopFoam]

I'm using GWS Pico servos with no problem.

[Tinlid]

No trailing antenna i like that, also just wondering if it will make it's way down here to and replace the 36mhz in Aussie land.

[usopa]

I went to my lhs 2 days ago to pick up a piper and they had 12 DX6 units on hand, went back today and bought the last one they had. Hot item in dayton ohio

[LuckyArmpit]

As far as range goes, even at 1000 feet, not many parkfliers are gonna go that far. With all my electrics, with the exception of a couple of sailplanes, I doubt mine ever even get to 500 feet out.
Also wondering if other companies like hitec, futaba, airtronics etc. plan on coming out with a version.

Dave...

[rcers]

Also wondering if other companies like hitec, futaba, airtronics etc. plan on coming out with a version.

Dave...

Yep pretty likely. They would be foolish not to. I think Airtronics is closest as I think they have a car system out (I think...)

Mike

[ragbag]

Why would they have the 3000 feet in the FAQ section of their home page?
Curious.
George

I guess I'll answer my own question, drive the 100 mile round trip to my LHS and pick up my Spectrum.

It was to late in the day to make the trip today so will make a quick trip and get back to finish my chores for Christmas eve.

I'm putting a Hell Raiser together so this will be a good radio to test it out with. Using Blue Arrow servos.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!!!!


By George:)

[debhicks]

We got our order in partial. They only shipped half of what we ordered. Got them in Yesterday.

Well got some anyway. Maybe I can keep one for us? Who knows.

[Quik]

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[Quik]

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[debhicks]

Well, The mode one's are not available. You will have the option for a fee to send one you purchase now back to Horizon when they are ready to outfit mode one. But sometime aftre the 1st.

I already have one sold when it comes in. I have every expectation of being one of the first stateside dealers to have it. I bug my salesman twice a week so I can be that way. Because I already have been paid for a mode one. :)

[Quik]

Well, The mode one's are not available. You will have the option for a fee to send one you purchase now back to Horizon when they are ready to outfit mode one. But sometime aftre the 1st.

I already have one sold when it comes in. I have every expectation of being one of the first stateside dealers to have it. I bug my salesman twice a week so I can be that way. Because I already have been paid for a mode one. :)
Wow.. this website is not only in my "favorites", but will be THE favorite.
This response is incredible. I thank you VERY much, Debbie.
Horizon Hobbies was closed today, so I couldn't ask them.
But the mere fact they WILL convert was good nuff for me.
Again, thanx, Debbie. (BTW.. my daughter is a Debbie). You are obviously one of the "good Guy" hobby shop dealers.
Have a VERY MERRY Christmas.. you and your's.
Jerry

[Quik]

Just finished a report on range testing the Spektrum.
Was tested at a turbine event (now that would bring a few knee knocks).
Using a gps, turned on system and drove away from it. They got .7 miles away before it glitched. but DIDN't stop receiving. Went to other channel I guess.
At .9 miles it stopped and went into failsafe.
They went back to .7 miles and is was working. They then turned on a second Spektrum to see what happened. Nothing (bad) happened. Both worked perfectly.
So .. seeing 1,000 .. 2,000 ...3,000, etc. seems to state it is going to be way further than you would want to fly a ParkFlyer.
They plainly state is isn't meant for sailplanes .. or LONG distances.
To me, 2,500 feet would be a long distance to see and control that small of a model.
Jerry

[debhicks]

That is great to know. Thanks for the Kudo's. We are debating of putting one in the stick. If we do we won't be able to engage the flaps. Need a 7 channel rec. to make that work.

Our goal is to give you great customer service. We don't want to chase you away. We actually want to become familiar with all our customers. Some have turned into good friends. Some have turned into good friends and we have never met. Maybe that is why we are good friends. :)

Merry Christmas to all. And to all a goodnight:)

[zappedalaskan]

Wills hobby and CB shop is a top notch Hobby shop with the kind of customer service that keeps people coming back (Myself included) Debbie is a very keen and knowledgable salesperson and is always right here and happy to answer any questions one might have. I wish they had a spektrum sytem with ccpm mode. Thank you kindly Will and Debbie for everything :) Please have a have a safe and Merry Christmas.
Kindest regards,
Jay

[loker]

just wanted to add another's amazement that those idiots didn't put dual rates or expo for rudder. it would have been perfect if they did. oh one more thing. anyone have issues with servo travel adjustment on the second aileron servo for those using two servos for ailerons? the servo plugged into the flap doesn't have full range of motion, and it seems you can only adjust travel on the first 5 channels, and not on the 6th(which is the second aileron) anybody know about this? thanx

[Quik]

just wanted to add another's amazement that those idiots didn't put dual rates or expo for rudder. it would have been perfect if they did. oh one more thing. anyone have issues with servo travel adjustment on the second aileron servo for those using two servos for ailerons? the servo plugged into the flap doesn't have full range of motion, and it seems you can only adjust travel on the first 5 channels, and not on the 6th(which is the second aileron) anybody know about this? thanx
I am using a 7 channel receiver in my new Mini Ultra Stik (and a JR 8103) so I can use full house control. I had one of their BIG ultra's and it was my favorite fun fly model.
As for the servo travel problem.. wish I could help. Will be interested to find out a solution, if that is indeed a problem.
You need to remember the Spektrum system sells for $200.. a great price for what you get. The "idiots' could have pur almost anything in the system they wanted to.. if you, the consumer, wanted to pay for it. AND .. at two bills, they will get this new technology out to the public .. the buyers .. lots sooner than if it sold for $300 or $400.
Jerry

[ragbag]

just wanted to add another's amazement that those idiots didn't put dual rates or expo for rudder. it would have been perfect if they did. oh one more thing. thanx

Reading the manual while the battery charges. Came across the "Programing a Rudder Dual Rate" on page 53 of the owners manual.

I'm not into it enough to understand how to do this, but Loker commented about the idiots not having dual rates on the rudder.

Maybe someone else is ahead of me in the learning process and can explain this page to Loker and I, what they are refering to.

I have five more hours of battery charging.:)

Maybe by the time I can play with it I will have it figured out.

Will check back a little later and see if someone has an explaination or an answer.

What A way to spend Christmas morning, playing with my new toys!!!!:D

Merry Christmas

By George

[rcers]

Maybe someone else is ahead of me in the learning process and can explain this page to Loker and I, what they are refering to.

It is simple you can use one of the programable mixes to accomplish the dual rate rudder. That is what p53 outlines.

I don't use expo or DR on rudder, I always stick as much throw as possible for rudder. That works well for me.

The 3d gang is are the ones that like expo rudder as that becomes a very primary control surface.

Mike

[ragbag]

I'm not into it enough to understand how to do this, but Loker commented about the idiots not having dual rates on the rudder.

Maybe someone else is ahead of me in the learning process and can explain this page to Loker and I, what they are refering to.

Merry Christmas

By George

As I said, I just saw the Dual Rate and didn't go into it, was skimming the book. Didn't realize I was in the mix section.:)

I haven't had a reason for dual rate on the rudder either, but a friend has a commodor, barn door rudder, and he was having a little trouble on take offs, a little expo did help him.

What doesn't work for one can be an asset for another.:)

By George

[Quik]

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Quik

[ragbag]

Actually it should be in th RADIOS FOR SALE FORUM.

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=41

That is in the thread above. Can be found at the bottom of the main page.

Have a good day.
By George

[qban_flyer]

Actually it should be in th RADIOS FOR SALE FORUM.

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=41

That is in the thread above. Can be found at the bottom of the main page.

Have a good day.
By George

Excellent suggestion rag!:)

This is not a for sale thread. BEsides, th man is looking for a DX6 Spektrum Radio, not a JR. :eek:

[Quik]

Excellent suggestion rag!:)

This is not a for sale thread. BEsides, th man is looking for a DX6 Spektrum Radio, not a JR. :eek:

Sorry. I have posted it in the "for sale" forum. Didn't mean to step on any toes.
BTW.. I'm NOT looking for a DX6 Spektrum. I have one.

[qban_flyer]

Sorry. I have posted it in the "for sale" forum. Didn't mean to step on any toes.
BTW.. I'm NOT looking for a DX6 Spektrum. I have one.

POST #91:
Open question to ANYONE.
Is the spektrum R/C system offered in Mode 1?
Or.. only Mode 2?
And if you';re reading this, reply NOW. As I have found an awesome deal on this radio.
Quik

You didn't step on any toes Quik, is that we, as a community or R/Cers wish to keep things in their specific areas here at Watt Flyer. We guard this place as if it were our life we are defending. We don't want it to turn into a clone of the "other site", the unmentionable one.

I based my assumption of you're LOOKING for a DX6 on your own post #91.
Glad to see you found one.:)

[Quik]

You didn't step on any toes Quik, is that we, as a community or R/Cers wish to keep things in their specific areas here at Watt Flyer. We guard this place as if it were our life we are defending. We don't want it to turn into a clone of the "other site", the unmentionable one.

I based my assumption of you're LOOKING for a DX6 on your own post #91.
Glad to see you found one.:)
I deleted the "for sale" item. Again .. sorry.
If you are looking for the DX6 Spektrum and want it now, email me and I will provide a phone number where you can get one at (what I thought was/is) an unbelieveable price.
I know there are dealers in this (GREAT) electric forum and I don't want to cause any problems with them. One has already been VERY nice to me. AND I will do business with her in the future.
QuikJR@cs.com
Quik aka Jerry

[Quik]

[QUOTE=debhicks;31697]That is great to know. Thanks for the Kudo's. We are debating of putting one in the stick. If we do we won't be able to engage the flaps. Need a 7 channel rec. to make that work.

I just bought a mini Horizon Hobbies Ultra Stik. Putting a JR 700 reciver in it so I can go full house with the Stik.
Also be aware that IF to do use the 6 servos, you will have to add a switch mode BEC (either 6v or 5v output, depending on the servos you use). Standard ESC's generally WON'T handle over 4 servos. (Even the new CC Phoenix 3 amp models.)
You can see a good inexpensive switch mode BEC at hisham@dimensionengineering.com
I also upgraded to the 480 E-flite outrunner motor instead of the recommended 450 or geared 400 brushless.
This is (hopefully) going to be my competition funfly model. If it flies half as good as my big one, I'll be perfectly satisfied.
Jerry

[debhicks]

Our receiver is on order as well. Sent it in yesterday. Thanks for the information I will pass that along to Will.

Well we should start another thread on this. :) I got a little confused. It's off this topic sorta, now:) Oh don't beat me.

[Quik]

Our receiver is on order as well. Sent it in yesterday. Thanks for the information I will pass that along to Will.

Well we should start another thread on this. :) I got a little confused. It's off this topic sorta, now:) Oh don't beat me.

You're prolly right.
Jerry Rooker
Wing's Miniature Aircraft Society
AMA # 1882 Leader-Admin .. Contest Director

[qban_flyer]

What follows is a report by a fellow modeler (DKS) who purchased his DX6 locally. It is being posted here with his permission. He is not a member of Watt Flyer.


On Dec 14, 2005, I purchased a Spektrum DSM DX6 Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) radio system from Hobby City in Burtonsville, MD.

By Fri. Dec 16, 2005, I had the system installed in a modified Slow Stick w/low dihedral and ailerons with individual servos.

After the 8 to 10am reception at Hobby City on Sat. Dec 17, Bert Matos and I went to Fulton to fly the new DX6/Slow Stick for the first time. After performing a range test, Bert put the plane into the air and trimmed it out. It flew very well, he tried out the flaperon feature and experimented with various flap settings and flap-to-elevator mixes.

The DX6 system is very capable with dual rates, exponential, and various mixing capabilities and it has 10 model memories.
I flew the plane and tried hard twice to do it in, but it survived a near death brush with a wooden snow line stake and a loop at less than 10 feet above the ground that broke only a prop.

The DX6 system operated flawlessly and I would definitely recommend it. It is the wave of the future in RC radio systems.

My two cents worth.

The modified Slow Stick performed flawlessly as well. Axial rolls were fabulous, though not pattern plane like. Inverted flight is a cinch, just as are inside and outside loops.

Though I tried hard to get it to, the Slow Stick refuses to spin. Landing it with flaps deployed is a hoot. Plane 125' up and no more than 75' away from landing spot. Deploy the "flaps" and it goes into a 45° descent angle at a very, very slow speed. It was kept in that stance until about 14" off the tarmac when it was flared. Forward touch down roll was limited to about four or so inches.

The DX6 is a superb radio. The modified Slow Stick is a hoot to fly. :)

[debhicks]

I made a post earlier about the mode one mod and stated there was a fee. I was in error. They are going to change those with no fee, you will just have to pay shipping one way.

Just wanted to clarify. I misunderstood a conversation I had with James at Horizon. :)

[LuckyArmpit]

Both LHS's I visit were out of the spektrum radio systems on xmas eve.
I did get to look at one though as one was reserved for someone who didn't pick it up yet. Early reports were good according to the LHS owner for those flyers who had tried them out so far. One guy was putting it into his glow trainer which had a TT .46 in it. I'm anxious to see how that is going to work....if the rx can handle a bit of vibration. I guess the guy knows the system isn't really designed for this type of flying yet. Glad its his plane and not mine!!!!

Dave...

[qban_flyer]

MY!

I was expecting something like this to happen, but not this early in the DX6 game plan. What part of designed for "Park Flyer Use" do some people do not understand?:confused:

There will be repercusions if something happens if that plane crashes and they try to blame it on the radio. I hope the club where it will be flown at will talk some sense into the flyer before he does something everyone there will regret.:o

[debhicks]

Glad you said it. :( I was a little dissappointed but knew it would happen. Some things are just better left unsaid.

[qban_flyer]

Hi Deb,

Just as my sig states. This one must be a Human Slinky.:D

[Quik]

I made a post earlier about the mode one mod and stated there was a fee. I was in error. They are going to change those with no fee, you will just have to pay shipping one way.

Just wanted to clarify. I misunderstood a conversation I had with James at Horizon. :)

Deb,
I just got off the phone with Horizon Hobbies. You were correct .. the Mode One Spektrum is on the way and expected "soon". I asked and got permission to send my unopened radio to them and merely exchange the Mode 2 for the Mode 1.
If you wish them to make the conversion, it involves the mechanical changes to the sticks and a minor elec. change to the programming. No mention was made of a fee for this service. They just said send it and they would take care of me.
I'm sure this will be true of anyone wishing this service.
HH has ALWAYS taken care of me. They are one of the "good" guys in the model/hobby business.
Thanx for the help!!!!!
Jerry

[TopFoam]

Did the extra Receivers ship from Horizon yet? I heard they were due on the 28th??

[meatball]

I suggest you warn that person who had planned on putting it into his glow powered trainer! Was talking to somebody at my LHS, who had spoken to one of the designers at horizon or other. The reason its not for glow models is similiar in problem to why you dont use PPM on gasoline powered models, only PCM. The radio was designed for electric flight, not glow or gas. Im quite sad about that though, I got a new radio for christmas, the 7CAP, and it would of been the DX6, had it of been able to fly glow powered planes.

[Quik]

I suggest you warn that person who had planned on putting it into his glow powered trainer! Was talking to somebody at my LHS, who had spoken to one of the designers at horizon or other. The reason its not for glow models is similiar in problem to why you dont use PPM on gasoline powered models, only PCM. The radio was designed for electric flight, not glow or gas. Im quite sad about that though, I got a new radio for christmas, the 7CAP, and it would of been the DX6, had it of been able to fly glow powered planes.

There ia a great article on the DX6 in new (March) issue of Backyard flyer.. page 58.

Why in the world someone would want to ignore the mfg's instructions and warnings concerning a product is beyond me.

If he in fact does crash because of a range problen, and hurts someone or damages property, who or what will he blame? Certainly won't be him/herself.
Would hate to see this technology dissappear because of a lawsuit that the radio/mfg. was at fault.

I'm thinking his/her DNA is short a few threads.

It is my understanding that research IS going on to make this technology or something close to it available for the larger models. And this WILL happen. Just NOT now.

Jerry

[Quik]

Did the extra Receivers ship from Horizon yet? I heard they were due on the 28th??

As of 5 minutes ago, their website states not available yet. Last I heard, they were due shortly after the 1st of Jan.
But you know how that goes .. rumors abound.
they might be in the same shipment with the Mode 1 systems. which are due "soon'. (Like a couple of weeks.)
Jerry

[debhicks]

No they didn't ship. Watched it all day yesterday. The date has slipped to the 31st. And that is Sunday so it looks like next week.

We hope.

[ragbag]

[QUOTE=
One guy was putting it into his glow trainer which had a TT .46 in it. I'm anxious to see how that is going to work....if the rx can handle a bit of vibration. I guess the guy knows the system isn't really designed for this type of flying yet. Glad its his plane and not mine!!!!

Dave...[/QUOTE]

These are the ones that we read about, burning suburbans and shot in the leg.:( :(

This gives the naysayers all the fodder they need, A sad situation, but one of the facts of life.

They ask a question and argue about the answer.

I had more to say, but decided this was not the place to bring it up and deleted it.:rolleyes:

by George

[Quik]

As of 5 minutes ago, their website states not available yet. Last I heard, they were due shortly after the 1st of Jan.
But you know how that goes .. rumors abound.
they might be in the same shipment with the Mode 1 systems. which are due "soon'. (Like a couple of weeks.)
Jerry
Got my DX6 Spektrum yesterday
Called Horizon Hobbies about Mode One systems .. was told there will be NO factory Mode One systems. ( Have gotten two versions of that story.)
But told me to send NOW and they will do the conversion.
They have set up a special service area for the Spektrum. Said about 3-5 days turn around.
It goes out TODAY. Should be back in bout 10-14 days. I'm really anxious to give it a try.
Jerry

[qban_flyer]

It's a great radio for us Park and Slow Flyers. You'll love it!

Considering the price, it is a bargain.:)

[qban_flyer]

These are the ones that we read about, burning suburbans and shot in the leg.:( :(

This gives the naysayers all the fodder they need, A sad situation, but one of the facts of life.

They ask a question and argue about the answer.

I had more to say, but decided this was not the place to bring it up and deleted it.:rolleyes:

by George

I hear you loud and clear.

These types are the ones that one day may cost us the hobby. Once that happens, they'll keep on flying outside the boundaries of the law.:eek:

I hope the club where he decides to take that plane to, grounds him before he can take off!:mad:

[debhicks]

The reference was for dealers ordering them for customers. They will call me next week and let me know they have everything for the modification so they can ship to dealers already converted for thier customers. Will cut down on down time.

Service your local hobby shops should be able to do for you if they call ahead. :)

Hope that clarifies. Horizon won't be doing the Mode 1 mods until after the first of the year.

[Quik]

The reference was for dealers ordering them for customers. They will call me next week and let me know they have everything for the modification so they can ship to dealers already converted for thier customers. Will cut down on down time.

Service your local hobby shops should be able to do for you if they call ahead. :)

Hope that clarifies. Horizon won't be doing the Mode 1 mods until after the first of the year.

Yep.. it does.

Steve told me to go ahead and ship mine .. which I did today.

He said they were ready to do the conversions now. And was about 3-5 day turn around. And may be faster as they don't have many (any?) to do.

The mechanical mods to the sticks are easy. In fact, I have done that. Bout 20 minutes. But they have to re-program the chip .. which I can't do.

It will be a happy New Yr for me .. lol .. when I get it back.

Thanx, Debbie.. again. and you + yours have a really happy and safe New Years.
Jerry

[AEAJR]

DX6 Range

The whole topic of range on this radio caused me to contact both Spektrum and
Horizon to try and get something more tangible as to range or as to plane
specs. I like specifications I can understand, and "Park Flyer" is not a well defined spec at all.

So I asked Spektrum and Horizon for a better definition. Neither would provide
a range rating or any guidance on the size of the plane. Personally I think
the "we all kinds sorta know what a parkflyer is", is questionable at best and
is no way to define a safe use of a product.

Since "park flyer" is a marketing term, I decided to do some market research to see what the market defines as a "park flyer". If you search on Horizon Hobby under park flyer, planes up to 54 inches and 40 ounces come up. If you search under park flyer on Tower hobbies, planes up to 72" and 84 ounces come up. And if you search on Hobby-Lobby under park flyer, planes up to 56 inches and 45 ounces come up.

Based on these, I assume park flyers run up to about 60" by practical market definition. The bulk of the market seems to be in the 8-40 ounce range and 24-55 inch wing spans.

Practical field tests are flowing in and some are pretty well documented. It seems that the 3000 foot range stated for the car radio holds true for the DX6 airplane radio as well. So 2600 feet, or about 1/2 mile should be a workable range limit for this radio.

Testing that against the "park flyer" guidance provided by Spektrum and Horizon Hobby, that would be consistent with radios provided with 27 MHz HobbyZone and Parkzone park flyers. These are also Horizon Hobby brands.

It is also consistent with the 72 MHz 3 channel Futaba, Hitec and Hobbico AM radios that have been packaged with many RTF parkflyers. The Hitec Focus 3 and packaged AM receiver, at least, have a rating of 2500+ feet, as stated on the Hitec web site. This is what came with my Spirit Select 2M RTF sailplane, the Sky Scooter and a lot of others. Many are now moving over to 72 MHz FM radios with much greater range.

So, by field test and by the equipment packed with RTF "park flyers", 2500 feet, or about1/2 mile, seems to be pretty good as a defined parkflyer radio range. That is plenty for pretty much any of the planes that come up on the Horizon Hobby or Tower Hobbies web sites under park flyer.

Page 2 of the DX6 manual also says it is appropriate for unpowered planes in the "park flyer" size range. Therefore it would be good for hand launched gliders, like the Fling, or discus launched gliders, like the Mountain Models DL50, or a slope glider or electric powered 48" Zagi wings.

That sure provides a pretty big universe of planes for us to fly using this radio. And that doesn't even touch the Heli market, of which I know nothing. Sounds like a winner to me.

You can see the field reports here:

Product Reviews
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=623 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=623)
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4936 (http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4936)

Practical field tests - see post 16-25, 31-33, 66, 82, 96-101, 118, 142, 171,
178, 180,
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452817&page=2&pp=15 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452817&page=2&pp=15)
(http://www.flyingcirkus.com/forum/Flew_and_Biff-_tested_JR_Spread_Spectrum/m_96209/tm.htm)

[LuckyArmpit]

Park flyer is a marketing term. And thats the target audience that spektrum has in mind for the radio. However I don't agree about the sizes of aircraft. Take a look at the diamond dust delta flyer. Wingspan is only around 40 some inches. Plane weighs about 3 pounds. Its engineered to run a .30 to .46 glow engine. An OS .46 will produce at full throttle 207 mph (as clocked by Ohio State Patrol). You sure as heck can't fly that in no park!!! And then again, you can build a huge aircraft out of fan fold.
Just a big lumbering old timer and saflely fly it within a football field.
As for the testing. Why are these people sitting on rooftops trying to get the radio to glitch? Isn't it a bit asinine? The best test of all is to get a group of people, some with DX6 and some with not. And fly all the planes and see if theres glitches or loss of signal. Do at the club field. Do it in your backyard if you got the room. We had some members, actually 2 of them fly the system at the field. They flew as far out around and high as you would a .60 sized glow plane and even farther until the plane was mere speck. No problem with dropout or range. The system performed flawless. To me, thats test enough. If your neighborhood with many homes and businesses operating phones, wireless data etc. all on the same band as the DX6, I mean you wouldn't take out your tiger moth with your JR 6 channel radio and fly due to the many dwellings etc. in the area. Simply no room to fly. Why would you take out a plane with spektrum system in the same area? My point is, why are some people trying to break the system (dropouts and glitches) in areas where you wouldn't normally fly in the first place?

Dave....

[Quik]

[ If your neighborhood with many homes and businesses operating phones, wireless data etc. all on the same band as the DX6,

Dave....[/QUOTE]

They aren't on the same freq. .. "guids" .., tho. so there aren't any conflicts with other 2.4 gig electronics.

The whole big hash about range is silly. I fly "parkflyers" (NONE in the 45-60" size). and for sure am NOT gonna try to fly one over a half mile from me. That's just a bit far for seeing (and having fun flying) my 40" elec. models.

There have been PLENTY of range reports concerning the Spektrum. What the heck .. if you want more than the seemingly average 0f 2500-3000 feet, go back to flying on the 72 band.

Just trust and do as the mfg. asks. They say they aren't for fuelers and/or larger/faster models. IT'S A SAFETY THING. What about their recomendations do some not understand?

Why not just accept it and fly observing their suggestions?
Jerry

[AEAJR]

As for the testing. Why are these people sitting on rooftops trying to get the radio to glitch? Isn't it a bit asinine? The best test of all is to get a group of people, some with DX6 and some with not. And fly all the planes and see if theres glitches or loss of signal. Do at the club field. Do it in your backyard if you got the room. We had some members, actually 2 of them fly the system at the field. They flew as far out around and high as you would a .60 sized glow plane and even farther until the plane was mere speck. No problem with dropout or range. The system performed flawless. To me, thats test enough. If your neighborhood with many homes and businesses operating phones, wireless data etc. all on the same band as the DX6, I mean you wouldn't take out your tiger moth with your JR 6 channel radio and fly due to the many dwellings etc. in the area. Simply no room to fly. Why would you take out a plane with spektrum system in the same area? My point is, why are some people trying to break the system (dropouts and glitches) in areas where you wouldn't normally fly in the first place?

Dave....

As you no doubt saw in the thread the kinds of tests you suggest were reported a number of times.

The building to building test was done to create an extremely bad RF environment as there was a 2.4 GHZ LAN bridge running between the buildings and they actually tested the range with the plane and radio on opposite sides of the lan bridge. NO PROBLEMS. That was the whole point of the test.

They were sitting in a sea of 2.4 GHZ transmissions and had no problems at over 3000 feet. I would say that pretty much confirms that the radio's range is pretty solid and pretty immune to 2.4 GHZ interference from other devices.

Asinine? I don't think so. You don't know how good it is till you push it over its limits. Pretty smart, if you ask me. I don't think we need be concerned about 802.11 2.4 GHz transmission interference with this radio.

[AEAJR]

[ If your neighborhood with many homes and businesses operating phones, wireless data etc. all on the same band as the DX6,

Dave....Just trust and do as the mfg. asks. They say they aren't for fuelers and/or larger/faster models. IT'S A SAFETY THING. What about their recomendations do some not understand?

Why not just accept it and fly observing their suggestions?
Jerry[/quote]

Man, I would love to trust and do what they ask if they would only make a clear statement about the size of the plane and the range of the radio. But since they refuse to do either, we, the users are forced to establish its capabilities.

Personally I won't be buying one because most of my flying involves 2 and 3 meter sailplanes. Clearly this radio is not appropriate for that. So I need a radio with greater range. That same radio can fly my parkies, so I won't need this one. However I hope they release a plug-in module so I can put it into my Futaba 9C. Then I can switch back an forth at will.

As an AMA Introductory Pilot, I work a lot with the new flyers. In order for me to recommend this radio, I have to understand what kinds of planes it can fly, how big and how far. If they want to fly parkies and sailplanes, they can't buy this radio. If they are happy with planes under 60" and will stay within 2000 feet, then this is the radio I will suggest they buy.

Again, since the MFG and the Distributor refuse to provide clear, understandable and measurable numbers, people are forced to do it for themselves. I am comfortable with the size of plane and operating ranges I stated above.

If it were significantly below this, say only 1000' and only 32" wing spans, I could not recommend it to anyone. Those specs might be fine for a lot of flyers, but our field is larger than this. That means a flyer could lose connection with the plane while still within the field. Too limited. That is the same reason I recommend against the GWS 4 channel receivers and caution flyers about the futab Micro receiver. At 500 feet and 650 feet respectively they are only appropraite for very small planes and slow flyers that will be flown in close.

[rclark]

Thing is, I don't see a problem with flying most any plane park flyer or not (by anyones definition) with the exception of sailplanes and possibly jets. Nobody I know flies thier .40,.60,.90, 1.2, glow etc. more than 1/2 mile ... more like a 1/4 of a mile at the most anyway. You need pretty good eyes to see a plane out there 2000 -3000 feet..... I got a spectrum, and plan to fly any plane I have with it (accept sailplanes) ... I just don't see a problem here.... I truly think the vendor is just be conservative as it is it a new product.. Get people used to the idea of flying with spectrum using 'park flyers' :) ....

[loker]

I bought and returned the dx6 radio because it has no expo or dual for the rudder(ridiculous with all the 3d fliers out there, me included) and because sub trim can't be used on the 6th channel when you're in flaperon mode. if you want to use two aileron servos, then you have to mix it yourself, and not use flaperons, and I like using my flaps even on foamies, just for fun. that radio is a great concept that wasn't fully brought to it's potential. also the screen is too small and the radio seems just cheap. when this technology is better adapted, I'll buy another and hopefully keep it.

[loker]

oh another thing, I saw somebody say this is a good deal for 200 bucks. I don't think so. The radio itself looks like crap, the servos are dirt cheap, just the receiver is quality. for 240 bucks I got the JR 610 or something like that, got an awesome transmitter with a big screen, a receiver that by itself cost 60 bucks, and is full range, only weighs 12 grams, and the servos that come with it(jr 241 sub micro) are twice as expensive as the ones the s75 that come with the spectrum, so I don't see how 200 bucks can be called a good deal. I'll pay that 240 for the one I already have anyday over that spektrum, at least until they make it better.

[Quik]

oh another thing, I saw somebody say this is a good deal for 200 bucks. I don't think so. The radio itself looks like crap, the servos are dirt cheap, just the receiver is quality. for 240 bucks I got the JR 610 or something like that, got an awesome transmitter with a big screen, a receiver that by itself cost 60 bucks, and is full range, only weighs 12 grams, and the servos that come with it(jr 241 sub micro) are twice as expensive as the ones the s75 that come with the spectrum, so I don't see how 200 bucks can be called a good deal. I'll pay that 240 for the one I already have anyday over that spektrum, at least until they make it better.

My Spektrum looks and feels great. The S75 servos work like a champ (I'm flying them in 3 models). All my elec.'s are kinda hotrods. I really wring them out. Pattern type flying AND competition fun fly type stuff. Little or NO 3D as I think helis are more suited for that type flying. And NO failures. Cost isn't always indicative of quality.
I think the radio is basically a JR product. The sticks are very smooth (probably the SAME sticks as are on your 610). Electronic trims all around. The screen is big enough for doing what is is intended for. I'm NOT planning on watching the Super Bowl on it.
You can have expo and dual rate on rudder if you want to use one of the mixes. You can also have ALL your expo rates on one switch.
This radio is GREAT for the use it was/is intended for. Flying small electric models. Again.. mine don't exceed 45" wingspan.
As for the price .. I bought mine NIB from a dealer for $175 .. and that included tax and shipping.
I am NOT going to worry about range. That "problem" has been discussed into the ground and for NO good reason.
I have three JR radios. X-388S PCM .. 8103 PCM .. and the XP9303. I'm selling the X-388S. And as JR is almost bullet proof, they all work well.
But with the Spektrum, NO worry/waiting for a freq. or ANY kind of interference. As long as there is an open slot on the line, I can fly. While you might perhaps be waiting for a freq., I'm flying .. and flying .. and flying.
One last thing.. a remark about the size of the flying field. I will put ours up against anything out there. The runway is 150' wide and 10,000' long. NO obstructions ANYWHERE except for out freq board and potty. You can also fly from the East side in the AM and the West after the sun goes overhead. The runway is N-S, but there is an adjacent E-W runway (taxiway). It is only about 3,000' long (but wider).
Works for my fuelers AND elec.'s.
Jerry

[AEAJR]

Sounds like you are on an abandoned airport. What a great flying field!

Thanks for sharing your experience with the DX6.

[rocket_jim]

As near as I can tell, the range, interference, and all other issues about the DX6 have been resolved, so I bought one with my Christmas $$$ from Mom.

The first plane I put the Rx in I replaced a GWS Pico receiver rated at 500 feet range! Talk about range issues, if there would be any, eliminated!

The first day I went out to fly it, the black plastic nameplate on the bottom of the transmitter front that goes around the two scroll/channel Increase/Decrease buttons got cold (20 degrees F), bowed, and tried to come off, keeping me from pushing those buttons till I pressed it back in place. If that's the worst bad thing that this new radio does, I'm OK with it.

This is my first computer Tx, and I have no other experience with JR, so this Tx design and feel seems just fine to me. It's what it is and what is available right now at this price point.

I only regret that I paid the full $199 price at my LHS. When I finally decided to buy it and went in, the LHS owner greeted me and commented that "I have you right where I want you, with R/C planes all over the house." After that comment, I'll be working hard to never ever go back to him. He may never realize what a tactical error that comment was. I surely won't tell him.

Now to get some more Rxs on-line when they become available!

[loker]

well you got a better deal on your dx6, that does help, but I also do not intend to watch the superbowl on any of my radios, but that doesn't mean I don't want it to look slick. the dx6 looks like one of those RTF radios that come with an airplane in a box. and as for the servos, great if your satisfied with them, those are the same as the e-flite s75 servos, but they're simply not near the quality as the jr 241. and as for waiting for my channel, I never have had to yet, and I never get interference with my jr stuff. don't get me wrong, it's a ggrreat concept, they just should have done better, I think the people would pay, I know, because I'm one of them, but me being so demanding, I returned it, and won't buy that stuff until it's improved.

[LuckyArmpit]

I'm sure if the DX6 had more features in the radio, the cost would be more. The system is targeted at park fliers. Everyone that I know of who has the DX6 system is well satisfied that it does what it says it can do.
And I'm sure they are devloping different versions of the system with more radio features and maybe an expanded range. I also hope that other manufacturers jump on the bandwagon so the cost can be competitive.
Just like when Lipos and Brushless motors first came out. Now, look at all the different sizes and the many companies that make them. And prices have dropped for the most part.

Dave...

[debhicks]

It will meet and exceed many's expectations and will improve greatly in the future we are all sure. Sorry you didn't like it. The s75 servo's have performed wonderfully up to this point. What is your bad experience with them?

[loker]

my problem with the s75 servos is that there is slop. everybody on these threads that I've read seems to like them, but I need precision. even out of the box new, I've tested them, to see if it was damage from use, it wasn't. the slop was there from the start, not on all of them, just some, and it was only about 1 mm, maybe half of 1 mm at one centimeter from the center, the slop on the jr 241 servo would have to be measured in microns with a machine because my human eye can detect zero slop at one inch from center with the long 3d arm on it. I suppose it is perfect for the undiscerning customer, and there seem to be a lot out there, just not me. a year or two ago, it would have been great for me, but not now.

[LuckyArmpit]

Seems these S75 servos....either people really love 'em...or, really hate 'em. No in-between.

Dave...

[Tom Moody]

It will meet and exceed many's expectations and will improve greatly in the future we are all sure. Sorry you didn't like it. The s75 servo's have performed wonderfully up to this point. What is your bad experience with them?

I have a DX6 and all 4 s75 servo's were bad. One goes to it's limit in one direction and refuses to respond to any control, two have so much slop in the gears they are useless and one has centering problems. So far I am NOT impressed with the servo's but the transmitter and receiver are OK.

I really don't understand the complaints about the transmitter looking of feeling 'cheap', it seems just fine to me.

Tom Moody

[Tom Moody]

my problem with the s75 servos is that there is slop.

I agree. My LHS tells me that 'everyone' is very happy with them but I consider them junk with all the slop most of them have.

Tom Moody

[loker]

I really don't understand the complaints about the transmitter looking of feeling 'cheap', it seems just fine to me.

Tom Moody

just take a look at the other quality computer radios and how slick they look. ever seen a radio that comes with one of those ready to fly planes in a box? those look like they cost 5 bucks to make, and so does the dx6. Aesthetic value is really just that:value. same with cars. a lot of money goes into making a car look good(not all of them), not just making the engine run good, or the suspension smooth, or the transmission strong, money is actually spent on making the car look better, and is reflected in the price of all cars now.
The problem with the dx6 is that they didn't do that. like I said, go to the hobby shop, look at a good selection of computer radios, and you'll see just how ugly the dx6 is next to them. If that is of no concern to you, that's great, but I think in this country, people like things that look good, and I'm one of them, and that's where my money will go. sorry horizon......

[loker]

I agree. My LHS tells me that 'everyone' is very happy with them but I consider them junk with all the slop most of them have.


well I wouldn't listen to my local hobby shop people. most of them either don't know what they're talking about, or they lie, they want good things said about the stuff they sell, so they can sell more, or so people like me don't return dx6 radios, like me, they're just snakes to me, like car salesmen. at least, that's been my experience, save a few nice owners who were genuinely friendly. always better to do your research then listen to the hobby shop people. They think they're on top of stuff. Even after spending a couple thousand there over the years, and regularly making special orders, I was there monday to buy a 900 size pro-lite thunder power battery, and the guy assured me that they did not exist, and that he could not special order them. I told him they were real, and that I could order them from thunderpower directly, but that I preferred going through my local hobby shop to support them(and to get free shipping), he didn't help any further, and I went home and called thunderpower directly and they are already on a UPS truck on their way to me. This just goes to show you how trustworthy and knowledgeable hobby shop people are.

[debhicks]

Caution: Setting up Flaperon with DX6
Wednesday, January 11, 2006
To prevent possible damage to your servo while using the flaperon program, we recommend that the initial Tx setup is done without power to the Rx and the flap servo arm disconnected from the output shaft. When the flaperon function is initially selected, the flap switch is still active and will try to drive the servo to full deflection and possibly stalling. As stated on pg. 33 of the instruction manual, the switch is de-activated by setting the travel adjust to 0% for both switch directions.

Just wanted to post this. On the run and didn't get time to read if it's already here. It it is please accept my appologies for the redundant info.

This may answer some of the servo problems.

[Quik]

Caution: Setting up Flaperon with DX6
Wednesday, January 11, 2006
To prevent possible damage to your servo while using the flaperon program, we recommend that the initial Tx setup is done without power to the Rx and the flap servo arm disconnected from the output shaft. When the flaperon function is initially selected, the flap switch is still active and will try to drive the servo to full deflection and possibly stalling. As stated on pg. 33 of the instruction manual, the switch is de-activated by setting the travel adjust to 0% for both switch directions.

Just wanted to post this. On the run and didn't get time to read if it's already here. It it is please accept my appologies for the redundant info.

This may answer some of the servo problems.
Thanx, Deb.
I don't use flaperons often because of the unwanted yaw. On some models, it doesn't matter.
Of course, we can all go to JR 241 servos and all will be well.
grinnin'
Jerry

[loker]

is that sarcasm. yes all would be well if we switched to the 241's cause they're better, unless you don't like quality. and deb, the servo slop didn't come from using the dx6 wrong with the flaperons, my other ones were sloppy before the dx6 even came out. are both of you(quik and deb) dealers of this product or are your standards just not as high as mine. have either of you considered that just because your experience has been good with this radio, that there are plenty of others that aren't satisfied.

[debhicks]

I am sorry you took that wrong. I wasn't addressing any issues with your servo problem or anyone elses. This was a blurb we came across about the dx6 not the servos and it was informational only. Thought some that haven't seen or or over looked it or are getting started with the system would like to know. I use 241's and gws naro's and eflight s75's and adjust my radio to compensate for the cheaper servo slop when they will do for the craft they are in. I am not marketing any of these here just giving information.

I thought this thread was about the DX6. If I did post inappropriately please excuse me.

If you took that as sarcasm I humbly appologize. Happy flying.

[loker]

actually the sarcasm remark was asked of quik, not you deb, sorry 'bout the cone-fusion

[Quik]

is that sarcasm. yes all would be well if we switched to the 241's cause they're better, unless you don't like quality. and deb, the servo slop didn't come from using the dx6 wrong with the flaperons, my other ones were sloppy before the dx6 even came out. are both of you(quik and deb) dealers of this product or are your standards just not as high as mine. have either of you considered that just because your experience has been good with this radio, that there are plenty of others that aren't satisfied.

Yes, loker.. it was a wee bit of sarcasm. Wasn't meant to get you all bent outta shape.
I don't deal in any radio equipment. I just buy (and fly) what works well for me.
You might want to give the rest of the world a bit of slack, loker. As you said, our experience HAS been good with the S75's, therefore we use them in some applications. And I'm aware that some will be dis-satisfied with some products. That's why they make many brands of merchandise.
And my standards are VERY high. That's why I fly JR products that are, in my opinion, the best.
BTW, the new Spektrum is obviously a JR product. Sticks .. case .. etc from their lower end radios (600 series). Which was another reason I didn't hesitate to purchase one.
Let's go fly.
Jerry

[loker]

yeah I should lighten up, I know that, but I still disagree that anything about this radio is good except the super-duper lock between transmitter and receiver, with which I have never had any problems. and if anybody ever shot my plane down by switching on their transmitter, they pay, those are the kind of people I fly with, so nobody ever shoots another's plane down, and with my regular micro single conversion JR receiver, I never get any glitches even in the gymnasium with 10 other people flying, and it's full range. and the radio is awesome looking, and the servos are rock solid, and it's just over 200 dollars, not much difference. there are also many more features on my radio that are not on the dx6, but I think we've said enough. I'm happy with my 6102, you're happy with your dx6, I'm glad for you, and this industry as well because I know they'll make higher end radios with this new technology eventually, and then I will buy it. good flying, no worries.

[inconel710]

What I don't understand, loker, is your comments about the apparent quality of the transmitter.

I have not handled a DX6 yet, so I must defer to your hands on experience with it. However, looking at this month's review of it in FlyRC, I can't see any physical difference between the DX6 pictured on page 24 and the JR SX600 advertised on page 25! Aside from the silver color of the DX6 and the antenna, they are exact duplicates. Switches, buttons, screen - all look identical. The photos of the screen are a dead ringer for my 7 year old XP652. Thayer Syme gives it high marks in his review, while also noting all of the faults (lack of rudder DR and expo) that have been mentioned here.

Not to mention the DX6 looks a lot better than the GWS transmitters on the back of the magazine. What drives you to lump this transmitter in with the cheapos?

Disclaimer - I do not own a DX6 and not looking to buy one. My JR works just fine. I'm just curious.

[rcers]

I have learned look and feel of a TX is very personal, and thus very subjective.

I love the feel, gymbals, sticks and switches. It is very nice. Does not feel cheap to me at all. But that is so subjective.

MIke

[loker]

maybe I am being too harsh with it. I don't have the sx600, never seen one, so I can't comment on that. but I do have the JR6102, a little over 200 hundred, and it looks a lot different than the dx6. it's got graphs, the whole bit. mostly my harsh review of the dx6 comes from my experience with the 6102, which I love, and comparing the two. see mine is only a little more expensive, and I think it's better for the money.

[defranci]

The photos of the screen are a dead ringer for my 7 year old XP652. .
Inconal: You're close. The Dx6 is built using the JR 662 as the base.
Lokar. If you still had the DX6, it is a very simple project to remove the old 72 MHz Tx module and replace it with the 2.4 GHz. Those that have combined the DX6 Tx with the 6102 body are reporting nothing but good things. Gives you the best of both worlds.
Don

[fabricator]

I have a dx6, I haven't flown it yet due to the weather, but I did do a ground line of sight range check, I took the plane and had my brother in law work the tx we communicated with nextel phones, we went from one treeline to another, a little over one half mile and it was rock solid in every respect, no hitches glitches or stumbles, I held the plane in every possible attitude this is with the two antennas taped to the sides of the plane, I would think with the plane at altitude the signal would be better than at five feet.

[loker]

maybe I'll have to buy the dx6 again, remove the module, and return the rest of the junk, also the receiver, and just buy the receiver seperately. great idea, thanx!

[AEAJR]

I have a dx6, I haven't flown it yet due to the weather, but I did do a ground line of sight range check, I took the plane and had my brother in law work the tx we communicated with nextel phones, we went from one treeline to another, a little over one half mile and it was rock solid in every respect, no hitches glitches or stumbles, I held the plane in every possible attitude this is with the two antennas taped to the sides of the plane, I would think with the plane at altitude the signal would be better than at five feet.

How big is that plane? Do you think you could see it well enough to fly it at that distance?

[Tom Moody]

just take a look at the other quality computer radios and how slick they look. ever seen a radio that comes with one of those ready to fly planes in a box? those look like they cost 5 bucks to make, and so does the dx6. Aesthetic value is really just that:value. same with cars. a lot of money goes into making a car look good(not all of them), not just making the engine run good, or the suspension smooth, or the transmission strong, money is actually spent on making the car look better, and is reflected in the price of all cars now.
The problem with the dx6 is that they didn't do that. like I said, go to the hobby shop, look at a good selection of computer radios, and you'll see just how ugly the dx6 is next to them. If that is of no concern to you, that's great, but I think in this country, people like things that look good, and I'm one of them, and that's where my money will go. sorry horizon......

I don't have to go to the store to look I own a Futaba 9C and a 9Z. Other than some gaudy chrome they are not that different. I think the DX6 transmitter looks just fine.

Tom Moody

[fabricator]

How big is that plane? Do you think you could see it well enough to fly it at that distance?

It's a mini ultra stick, and that would be at the outside of the envelope for sure, keeping the orientation straight would be quite a job, which is basically my point, this tool is more than adequate for its intended purpose, I'm not quite sure I understand the looks thing, it's a tool, if it does its job who cares what it looks llike?:confused:

[rclark]

Looks fine to me. As long as it works and does the job ... who cares :) .

Last night I setup the radio to fly my son's easy flying Easy Star :) . Seemed just as easy to program as my Hitec radios. Seems the servos were centered differenty than with the Hitec 3 channel radio that was normally used. Might be my imagination though ....

Anyway got in two flights with it today with my son's easy flying Easy Star :) . First no glitches which is just fine with me :) . Flew it far enough away that I started to get nervous. No problems with motor cutting out or anything. ESC was resting almost on top of Rx.

But ... the plane required trimming with the batteries I was using. Turned out I didn't have FULL trims while flying to my surprise. Full down trim was not near enough :eek: . Once on the ground I could go into the setting and adjust it I found. Personally, I don't like this. Can't trim out a badly out of trim model while flying!!!!! For this plane it wasn't a 'big' deal but with a fully acrobatic model it could get hairy....


Other than that it worked well for this simple plane. Felt good in the hands and no different than any other radio I've used other than the sticks seem a bit stiff.

[Rugar]

Seems the servos were centered differenty than with the Hitec 3 channel radio that was normally used. Might be my imagination though ....


Its not your imagination.
I don't have this system, but Ive also seen servo centering change when going from one brand of receiver to another, when even using the same TX with no other changes except RX.

[loker]

I don't have to go to the store to look I own a Futaba 9C and a 9Z. Other than some gaudy chrome they are not that different. I think the DX6 transmitter looks just fine.

Tom Moody



well good for you mr moody. it's so good to hear that you don't care about aesthetics, it's a grrreat accomplishment. I wish I could make myself less shallow like you. hey you know what, after all the people who have come back at me saying how good the product is, maybe I didn't give it enough chance. I feel like I'm the only one who wasn't happy. or maybe I'm the loud voice that speaks out from the silent majority, who knows?

[fabricator]

well good for you mr moody. it's so good to hear that you don't care about aesthetics, it's a grrreat accomplishment. do you like the way the ford festiva looks as well? I bet you do...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/fabricator01/lightenupfrancis.jpg

[loker]

tell me to lighten up? ok, tell him too. (I don't have to go to my hobby shop, I already got the futaba 9c and 9z, and I think the dx6 looks just fine) that's not exactly friendly either, and besides, fabricator, you responded before I was done, didn't mean to post that, had to edit it.

[Rugar]

Come on guys. Please think before you post. Lets not let it get out of hand.

[fabricator]

tell me to lighten up? ok, tell him too. (I don't have to go to my hobby shop, I already got the futaba 9c and 9z, and I think the dx6 looks just fine) that's not exactly friendly either, and besides, fabricator, you responded before I was done, didn't mean to post that, had to edit it.


I think you are reading too much into these posts, life is to short pard, it's just a radio, everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

[loker]

yeah fine

[ragbag]

maybe I'll have to buy the dx6 again, remove the module, and return the rest of the junk, also the receiver, and just buy the receiver seperately. great idea, thanx!

Why don't you continue to use the "junk" you have and leave the rest to us?

Then you wouldn't have to keep telling us about your love affair with JR.:rolleyes:
By George

[Quik]

well good for you mr moody. it's so good to hear that you don't care about aesthetics, it's a grrreat accomplishment. I wish I could make myself less shallow like you. hey you know what, after all the people who have come back at me saying how good the product is, maybe I didn't give it enough chance. I feel like I'm the only one who wasn't ha