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Sky Hawk
08-05-2005, 02:57 PM
I am gathering information to make my first e-plane setup buying decision and have come here looking for some expert advice.

I have been flying glow now for about 4 years so I am not new to rc flying and have a budget of around $250 to make the jump. The $250 is for plane, motor, rx, esc, battery and servos. I already have a Hobbico MKII charger so I am hoping that I have that covered.

I have been looking at the flat type of planes as I am looking for something that will allow me to learn new 3D manuvers as well as perfect the one's I already know how to do in the comfort of my front yard (up to 2 aces). However, these look to be a bit fragile to serve as a trainer type 3D bird. Any suggestions or recommendations? I like the Christen Eagle that Ace Hobby has. I've always wanted to try a bipe, but didn't want to invest the $$$'s in a glow one.

Being new to e-flight, all of this is as foreign to me as glow was when I first got started in rc flying so I hope that ya'll will bear with me and my questions. :o

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Thunder Tiger-Ripper brushless motors being offered by Ace Hobby. You can see them and their spec's here at http://users.zoominternet.net/~anrcguy/ttiger.htm and I would like to know which of these would be a good choice for pulling up to a 10oz. bird with 3D authority? How about 10oz. - 15oz.? Is there such a thing as a 15oz. - 20oz.? If I were to go with one of these, what would be a good prop size to each of these motors to do 3D? Which of their batteries would be a good to which motor?

I am also wondering if the Electrifly 5ch rx/30A ESC (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCRJ8&P=7) would be a good way to go? I am thinking that this type of combo might be a weight saving over a regular rx like the hitec electron 6 and a seperate esc. Anyone have any experince/thoughts on this?

Finally, I would appreciate any and all help, suggestions and recommendations that ya'll might have to offer. If anyone has any links that might be helpful with me learning about motors, esc and such, I'd appreciate that info as well.

Thanks,
Sky Hawk

Foamaholic
08-05-2005, 03:12 PM
Check out foamyfactory.com for lots of information and free plans.
A blue foam 3D plane like the 32" or 37" 3DX would be perfect for starting to learn 3D. Go with what they recommend and you will get awesome performance. The blue foam is very touch and allows for lots of mistakes. These planes fly very good and do all the 3D maneuvers. Plus they are cheap so if you wear one out it's quick and cheap to build another and move your electronics over and you are right back in the air. The nice thing about these blue foam planes is you can practice low and right in front of you without worrying about destroying an expensive plane.
Also check out www.fancyfoam.com and www.3dfoamy.com and www.3dbatix.com.

Reformed Nitroaddict
08-05-2005, 03:51 PM
Foamholic made some great recommendations. There are several others out there too, which I will mention in a moment.

To answer some of your questions - the ESC/Rcvr that you listed is rather new. The only problem with these is that their range has been proven to be limited to around 1000-1500ft, compared to about 5000ft on the standard rcvrs. Ona 3D plane, you are going to be so overpowered, that weight isn't as big of a concern as it is on other parkflyers. I would stick to a standard micro receiver and a good 20-25A brushless ESC.

Here are some great profile 3D planes that I have personally seen fly and would recommend:

http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopexd.asp?id=5486

http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopexd.asp?id=5214

http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopexd.asp?id=5212

http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopexd.asp?id=5072

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/raptor.htm

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/judge.htm

flypaper 2
08-05-2005, 07:41 PM
Ikarus series work very well too. I'm using the Little Screamer motors, very light, 24 grams, and more than enough power. Repairs for any shocky are easily fixed at the field with a 110 volt inverter and a hot glue gun. I'd be lost without it.

Sky Hawk
08-05-2005, 11:08 PM
Thanks guys. Those are some interesting suggestions and I will be looking into them. Now what I need is infor or input about the TT brushless motors. Is anyone using them or can someone tell me if they will run the suggested planes with enough authority to do 3D?

Thanks,
Sky Hawk

Foamaholic
08-05-2005, 11:35 PM
I think I would go with the 2357. I don't see any thrust data or prop recomendations. I would guess a 9-7 prop to start. You will want a wobbly prop adapter so you won't be breaking props left and right.
To do it right I would get a Castle Creations Phoenix 10 or 25 esc, especially if you might use lipos.
I would look for the plane you want then see what others are using successfully in them. Takes all the guesswork out of it and saves money.

rcers
08-05-2005, 11:39 PM
Castle Creations Phoenix 10 or 25 esc

Guys I too used to be a Castle creations guy, but after a couple of issues I found these guys. I am very, very happy with them...programming is a snap.

I like the switch, but the boards they use are bigger and they weigh a touch more.

Give them a try - check out the price too!

http://www.coolesc.com/

Mike

AEAJR
08-07-2005, 11:49 AM
I am gathering information to make my first e-plane setup buying decision and have come here looking for some expert advice.

I have been flying glow now for about 4 years so I am not new to rc flying and have a budget of around $250 to make the jump. The $250 is for plane, motor, rx, esc, battery and servos. I already have a Hobbico MKII charger so I am hoping that I have that covered.

I have been looking at the flat type of planes as I am looking for something that will allow me to learn new 3D manuvers as well as perfect the one's I already know how to do in the comfort of my front yard (up to 2 aces). However, these look to be a bit fragile to serve as a trainer type 3D bird. Any suggestions or recommendations? I like the Christen Eagle that Ace Hobby has. I've always wanted to try a bipe, but didn't want to invest the $$$'s in a glow one.

I am also wondering if the Electrifly 5ch rx/30A ESC (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCRJ8&P=7) would be a good way to go? I am thinking that this type of combo might be a weight saving over a regular rx like the hitec electron 6 and a seperate esc. Anyone have any experince/thoughts on this?

Finally, I would appreciate any and all help, suggestions and recommendations that ya'll might have to offer. If anyone has any links that might be helpful with me learning about motors, esc and such, I'd appreciate that info as well.

Thanks,
Sky Hawk

On the combo rX/ESC, be aware that the receiver has a limited range of about 900 feet. That is fine for a small plane but don't get it too far out or you will lose contact. Just an FYI.

These planes are all 4 channel planes that are designed for performance.
These are not trainers and assume the pilot has mastered 4 channel flight on a previous plane. ARFs and Kits

Shockflyers - 3D
http://www.shockflyer.com/ (http://www.shockflyer.com/)
Videos are at same link

Switchback - Built up wood Kit - very popular
http://www.mountainmodels.com/switchback.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/switchback.php)
video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/switchback-acro-mpg.avi (http://www.mountainmodels.com/switchback-acro-mpg.avi)
Discussion thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851)

Tantrum - Built up wood Kit
http://www.mountainmodels.com/tantrum.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/tantrum.php)
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/TantrumBL1.wmv (http://www.mountainmodels.com/TantrumBL1.wmv)

Flash Back - Built up wood kit
http://www.mountainmodels.com/flashback.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/flashback.php)

Mini Flash
http://www.mountainmodels.com/miniflash.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/miniflash.php)
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/miniflash2.rm (http://www.mountainmodels.com/miniflash2.rm)

Dandy GT
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandygt.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandygt.php)
Complete package available

Panic - 3D Foam Kit
http://mountainmodels.com/panic.php (http://mountainmodels.com/panic.php)
Video
http://mountainmodels.com/panicfinal.wmv (http://mountainmodels.com/panicfinal.wmv)

GWS Formosa
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHCN9&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHCN9&P=7)
http://www.gws.com.tw/english/product/airfly/f3a.htm (http://www.gws.com.tw/english/product/airfly/f3a.htm)
Group discussion
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321370&highlight=gws+formosa (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321370&highlight=gws+formosa)+

Eagle 3D Foam ARF Aerobatic plane -
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/eagle.htm (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/eagle.htm)
Video
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/POT006-Eagle1.wmv (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/POT006-Eagle1.wmv)

The Cobra - 3 D Foam Flyer ARF
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/cobra.htm (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/cobra.htm)
video
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/POT007-Cobra2.wmv (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/POT007-Cobra2.wmv)

Pigi - 3D Foam Flyer ARF
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/pigi.htm (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/pigi.htm)
video
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/CEM001-Pigi.wmv (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/CEM001-Pigi.wmv)

Mini GeeBee - 3D Depron Flyer
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/minigeebee.htm (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/minigeebee.htm)

three-d - ARF built up wood
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/threedee.htm (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/threedee.htm)
video
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/ART2061-ThreeDCombo.wmv (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/ART2061-ThreeDCombo.wmv)

Firecat - ARF - wood built up
http://www.espritmodel.com/l_firecat.html (http://www.espritmodel.com/l_firecat.html)

There are dozens of other good choices, but these cover a pretty wide range of choices.

2dogrc
08-07-2005, 06:13 PM
I just flight tested a New motor I got. It is a Xmotor 300B, 1220KV. I built a shockflyer clone with bluecore weighing 8.7 oz, plus battery pack of 2.0 oz(big battery). This little motor could hover on 2cells and a 9047 GWS prop. It produced 19 oz of thrust on 2 cells(1047) and 25 oz of thrust on 3 cells(1047 prop). Might be worth looking at!
http://2dogrc.com/ecommerce/os/catalog/xmotor-brushless-airplane-motor-1220-p-1848.html

incomming
08-09-2005, 03:14 PM
NO B.S the best bang for your buck and damn good flying flat plate foam airplanes that fly like the have an airfoil and take a boat load of abuse are from www.troybuiltmodels.com (http://www.troybuiltmodels.com)
I have had 3 tbm montees and love um....

dogz
09-02-2005, 02:42 AM
I just got a 3dfoamy edge 540 and it is simple to biuld and an awsome flyer!!:)

jonnyjetprop
09-02-2005, 05:24 AM
NO B.S the best bang for your buck and damn good flying flat plate foam airplanes that fly like the have an airfoil and take a boat load of abuse are from www.troybuiltmodels.com (http://www.troybuiltmodels.com)
I have had 3 tbm montees and love um....

I ave several of Gene's older blue foam Extra 260's and they fly great. He also has some low cost mods for the GWS Formosa.

Some other ideas:

Go brushless now. The effeciency is better, you can run them on a 3s lipo all day long. The price keeps dropping, even on some of the better motors.

Go lipo now. Take great care, read all that you can and ask questions, but its these batteries that have transformed the electric powered aircraft.

Get a dual conversion receiver. Hitec makes a couple of good ones like the 555 and the electron. I'm not a big fan of reduced range, single conversion receivers. The difference in cost is small.

Buy cheap,buy twice. As true today as ever.