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AEAJR
08-07-2005, 06:13 AM
If you interested in gliders but don't want to get involved in all that
hi-start and winch launching "stuff:" Here are a few electric gliders in the
1.4 -2 meter, 54 -79 inch wingspan catagory that might be suitable for a new
glider flyer

Mulitplex Easy Glider Electric - $90
Aileron/Rudder/Elevator/Throttle - 1.9M This would make an excellent first
e-glider
due to its rugged Elapor foam construciton. I have flow the sailplane
version - it flies very well.
http://www.multiplexusa.com/models/ParkFliers/EasyGliderE.htm (http://www.multiplexusa.com/models/ParkFliers/EasyGliderE.htm)
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKHS8&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKHS8&P=7)
Here it is flown out electric, but I think this is on a slope
http://www.elflight.dk/video5/easy-gl-hang.wmv (http://www.elflight.dk/video5/easy-gl-hang.wmv)

Multiplex Easy Star
R/E/T 1.4 M This is a cross between an e-glider and a parkflyer. We have
several
at our field. This is a good smaller first e-glider or a parkflyer. It a
very strong following. This is an Elapor foam plane that is very rugged,
flies well and thermals well. Makes a great "keep in the car"
e-glider/parkflyer.
ARF - $60
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFRU7&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFRU7&P=ML)
RTF with Radio - $189
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFXV0&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFXV0&P=ML)

Ascent - $69
R/E/T 1.4 M Fiberglass Pod/boom desing with built up balsa wing. Flies very
well.
We have a couple of these are our field. The pilots like them alot. This is
another glider/parkflyer cross over plane. Can be flown as either.
Great keep in the car plane
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFL1075 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFL1075)

Goldberg Electra
R/E/T - 2M This is a more traditional built up balsa glider with a polyhedral
wing. Essentially an electric verion of the popular Gentle Lady. Many people
add a gear box and larger prop to get stronger climb on this plane.
Kit - $75
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDJB2&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDJB2&P=7)
ARF - $110
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVSEARCH=Electra&FVPROFIL (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVSEARCH=Electra&FVPROFIL)=++

Hanger 9 Aspire - $239 - RTF
R/E/T - 2M This is a traditional built up balsa glider with Polyhedral wing.
Many people add a gearbox to this plane for stronger climbs.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN1950 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN1950)

Stratus $120 ARF
R/E/T controls
Fiberglass fuselage with built up balsa wing
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXZY16&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXZY16&P=7)

Evolution - $199
R/E/T controls
Fiberglass fuselage and built up balsa wing
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAHP4&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAHP4&P=7)

Dan Johnson
08-08-2005, 12:18 AM
:)I have the Ascent with a t400 outrunner, a cam 9#5 folding Graupner prop,and a 1500 2s lipo. Best flight so far was 1hr 6min 36 sec. I like this plane as I can keep it assembled in the van ready to go at a moment,s notice.

Thanks Dan

mars
08-10-2005, 11:18 PM
:)I have the Ascent with a t400 outrunner, a cam 9#5 folding Graupner prop,and a 1500 2s lipo.
Thanks Dan

Can you elaborate on the t400(t?)? Whats the Kv? Is the Lipo at 8c? 20amp esc? Also what altitude are you at?

Any problems putting the outrunner in? Maybe a pic?

stuff
08-11-2005, 12:27 AM
I have two speed 400 skimmers that I have flown for 5 years now logging over 300 flights a year. I also fly a gentle lady with the Master airscrew 05 and gearbox with 7 1700 nicad cells.I have not gone for height but 30 min flight times while sitting facing Florida from a colder but sunny Myrtle Beach while leaning against the club house is not a bad way to put in a colder southern day.I am good for 3 climbs to glide zone on a pack and I bring 4.Trouble with flying gliders is people tend to think you are just standing there taking a wizz while looking up at the clouds.

jlolabarr
08-16-2005, 11:34 AM
A friend of mine recommended to me: Gulliette II or the ION... I buy the ION with 600, since for slope more is not needed. At the present time I am adapting the ION to clear the motor and power to him to fly in slope without.

AEAJR
08-16-2005, 01:10 PM
I have two speed 400 skimmers that I have flown for 5 years now logging over 300 flights a year. I also fly a gentle lady with the Master airscrew 05 and gearbox with 7 1700 nicad cells.I have not gone for height but 30 min flight times while sitting facing Florida from a colder but sunny Myrtle Beach while leaning against the club house is not a bad way to put in a colder southern day.I am good for 3 climbs to glide zone on a pack and I bring 4.Trouble with flying gliders is people tend to think you are just standing there taking a wizz while looking up at the clouds.

Sounds like you are in climb and glide mode. Do you ever thermal the planes?

mwhitman
09-03-2005, 09:00 AM
Ed-
Thanks for the great information you post. I currently fly a GWS Slow Stick, a 2M Cirrus glider, and a Cermark New Timer. I'm looking to get into my first aileron glider and it looks like you've flown the multiplex easy glider. Do you have any other recommendations for small (< 2M) gliders with ailerons and/or spoilers?

AEAJR
09-03-2005, 09:39 AM
Mwitman,

I need more information. Less than 2 meters?

Thermal Duration Gliders? Slope Soaring? Discus Launched? Hand Launched?

Budget?

ARF? Kit?

Sport or Competition?

Any other factors you can think of.

( Man I ask a lot of questions, don't I?)


What kind of radio will you be using?

As to the Multiplex Easy Glider, this is an Elapor Foam 4 channel aileron glider that is just unde 2M.

For a foamie, it flies very well. However I think your will float better. But the ailerons on the Easy glider will give you more positive attitude control.

The plane is amazing in that it can be hi-start launched and it can take a moderated winch launch as well, if you extend the stock tow hook.

I like the plane, but feel the bult up balsa planes do fly better. However if you are still new and prone to crashes, this plane can really take a beating. As a first glider, as a keep in the car for spontanious hi-start flying, it has a lot to offer.

If you are a fairly acocmplished RES pilot and looking for a "better" flying plane than the Cirrus, then I would sugget you pass it by.

I await your responses to my questions.

mwhitman
09-04-2005, 09:11 AM
AEAJR,

Answers to your questions:

I need more information. Less than 2 meters?
[Yes, something I can keep in the car and fly from a park]

Thermal Duration Gliders? Slope Soaring? Discus Launched? Hand Launched?
[Hand launched (would like it if it could also thermal), electric]

Budget?
[under 300]

ARF? Kit?
[ARF]

Sport or Competition?
[Sport]


What kind of radio will you be using?
[Hitec Optic 6]

I like the plane, but feel the bult up balsa planes do fly better. However if you are still new and prone to crashes, this plane can really take a beating. As a first glider, as a keep in the car for spontanious hi-start flying, it has a lot to offer.
[I'm not prone to crashing (hopefully it will stay that way) and I manage to get 30-60 minutes of flying almost every day on my slow stick.]

If you are a fairly acocmplished RES pilot and looking for a "better" flying plane than the Cirrus, then I would sugget you pass it by.
[I wouldn't yet call myself an "accomplished" RES pilot but would like to hear what you and others would recommend so I can get more time in the air when a winch or hi-start is not convenient; it sounds like the multiplex us certainly an option.]

Thanks!

Mike

AEAJR
09-04-2005, 10:57 AM
OK, Mike, now I got ya!

Keep in the car, spontaneous flying. Know it well. My Aerobird was my first plane. After about 400 flights between my first Aerobird and my Aerobird Challenger, the Challenger is now my keep in the car plane. Parkflyer, Thermal Glider, Slope Glider. Lives in the box it came in.


MY Keep in the car criteria:

A) I want a cheap simple radio for my keep in the car plane, so I like 3 channel planes. R/E/A glider, R/E/T or A/E/T for electrics and flying wings. I don't want to leave my expensive/main radio in the car, in the heat, bouncing around.

B) Prefer radio that takes AA batteries so I don't have to worry about whether I charged the radio. Spontaneous flying means unplanned!!!

C) Some kind of transport/protective box. Either the one it came in or something I make. all I need must go in that box and be in the box all the time. Plane, radio, batteries, charger if needed for motor batteries.

For me, it is my Aerobird Challenger. Good parkflyer or OK as a glider, but it lives in the box, has its own radio, always ready to go, deals with less than ideal conditions, ...great for unplanned flying. Just have to charge up the motor batteries with the included charger. So I need about 30 minutes before I can make that unplanned flight. :)


Based on those criteria, here are some suggestions:

1) Multiplex Easy Star - 54" R/E ARF = $54 + you need to HS/55 or 81 type servos and a receiver with at least 2000 foot range if you are going to thermal it, just to be sure. Quick apart and back into the box which is excellent for keep in the car. Simple 3 channel radio will fly it, or available RTF with radio. Has direct drive speed 380 motor ( or is it a 400?) Depending on what motor you have in the Slow Stick, the SS batteries might fly it. Keep two batteries plus the charger in the box and you are good to go.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFRU7&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFRU7&P=ML)
RTF with Radio/battery/charger - $189
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFXV0&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFXV0&P=ML)


2) Multiplex Easy Glider Electric - Good choice for this use. 2 HS 55 +2HS 81. I suggest a 3000 foot minimum receiver range, Geared speed 400. Any 4 channel radio will fly it, but you can fly A/E/T on a three channel radio.
$89 for the ARF. I hear she slope soars pretty well too.
http://www.multiplexusa.com/models/ParkFliers/EasyGliderE.htm (http://www.multiplexusa.com/models/ParkFliers/EasyGliderE.htm)
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKHS8&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKHS8&P=7)
Here it is flown out electric, but I think this is on a slope
http://www.elflight.dk/video5/easy-gl-hang.wmv (http://www.elflight.dk/video5/easy-gl-hang.wmv)


3) Ascent - $69
R/E/T 1.4 M Fiberglass Pod/boom design with built up balsa wing. Flies very
well. We have a couple of these are our field. The pilots like them a lot. This is
another glider/parkflyer cross over plane. Can be flown as either.
Great keep in the car plane ( not sure about the box )
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFL1075 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFL1075)

4) Zagi EPP motorized Flying Wing - $149 with motor and battery
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGDX9&P=ML


Have you considered a discus launched pure glider? No motor battery recharges. Find a spot and just fling it into the air!

Boomer EX2 - DLG flying wing -
This is more of a kit. Easy transport in car, good for light slope lift. Just pure fun!
www.mountainmodels.com (http://www.mountainmodels.com)
http://www.mountainmodels.com/order_planes.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/order_planes.php)
This is a product review - be sure to watch the video
at the end of the review
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4524 (http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4524)
Second Video
http://www.stocker.rchomepage.com/Boomhivis2_0002.wmv (http://www.stocker.rchomepage.com/Boomhivis2_0002.wmv)



The Seeker - $79 kit - smaller than the ones above This one breaks down for easy transport. Friend in the club has one. Great little keep in the car plane. Two channel radio will handle it.
http://www.liftworx.com/pages/seeker.html (http://www.liftworx.com/pages/seeker.html)



MiSAL - RTF
This comes all built including all electronics on your channel of choice. You add the radio and go! They also sell radios to go with it if you like
http://www.edgerc.com/MiSAL%20DLG.htm (http://www.edgerc.com/MiSAL DLG.htm)



Not sure how well these would break down for keeping in the car. Might want to make a box for them.



AILERON/ELEVATOR/RUDDER STYLE DLGs

NSP Huron - ARF $128
http://www.nesail.com./detail.php?productID=760 (http://www.nesail.com./detail.php?productID=760)

NSP Apache - ARF $139
http://www.nesail.com./detail.php?productID=1178 (http://www.nesail.com./detail.php?productID=1178)

Fling - $99

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKAG3&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKAG3&P=ML)


Perfect keep in the car radio

Hitec Neon 3 - 3 channel standard radio $69

Takes AA batteries
2 micro servos, micro receiver, switch, etc
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCXM7**&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCXM7**&P=7)


Will fly a three channel R/E/T or A/E/T parkflyer or A/E/R glider. Use this on the Easy Glider electric and just don't use the rudder on those spontaneous flying stops. On R/E/A DLGs, again, just leave off the rudder for spontaneous flying. Lock it in place. Set up rudder on your Optic 6 for planned flying.

This radio also has mixing for flying wings or V-tail planes. Should worked fine. I had the Focus 3 model, which preceded this, that came with my Spirit RTF. Worked great. This receiver has 1 mile range. Take receiver out of case and shrink wrap it for the DLGs.

You put 8 AA batteries in radio. For a pure glider, comes with battery frame that uses 4 AAA disposable batteries - no charging, but too large for the DLGs. For them you can use two CR2 camera batteries. Make up a pack or frame to take them.

If you feel you need these features later:

$11 gives you ATV to help set-up throws

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDEK7&P=M (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDEK7&P=M)

$8 gives you dual rates

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDEK9&P=M (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDEK9&P=M)


So, that is MY approach to the keep in the car, spontaneous flying solution. Park Gliders, DLGs. Good for parkflying, thermal gliding, slope soaring in moderate conditions.

How did I do? :D

Dan Johnson
09-06-2005, 02:46 AM
:) Mars sorry I haven't posted back sooner as I have just purchased a house.
Any way the ESC is a GW 20 amp, the lipo is 10C and the motor is a Tornado
400T sold by Dymond Modelsports. Says 19oz thrust at 10 amps. Best time was 1hr 6min 36sec. Consistant flights in the 30min range. I fly out of Chilliwack BC Canada. 2hrs north of Seattle, our field is about 100ft asl.
Thanks Dan

ptglass
09-26-2005, 07:05 AM
Dan Johnson,

I'm flying an Ascent with the same motor as you, except I am using an 8x4 folder and using a 3 cell lipoly. It flys great (almost vertical). The first time I flew it, I turned it while it was climbing at full throttle and it torque rolled! Didn't hurt anything, but now I always throttle back before turning now. I've heard that a powerful brushless motor can actually pull off the firewall on the Ascent. I kind of worry about this.

BTW, justgofly.com has the same motor for $39. I love the motor - it's a great motor especially for the price. I can't believe how much power it puts out considering it's small size.

Dan Johnson
09-27-2005, 04:58 AM
:)Hi PTGLASS, I only climb at about 1/2 to3/4 throttle for a timed 1 minute, and I am just about spec'ed at that. I get consistant 30 = minute flights even in dead air. I am using a 9/5 folder on my 2 meter plane and am going to try the T400 Brushless on it. I have the dymond Take It Eazy with a Magnetic Mayhem motor and 8 cell 3300 ni/cads. I figure if the T400 can swing a 9/5
it should fly the 2 meter. I still like the Ascent for the any time any where flyer. Any more fun and it would be illegal.:D

Chilliwack Dan

falingtrea
10-05-2005, 08:13 PM
I was cruising on the Multiplex home site, http://www.multiplex-rc.de/ and found FMS models for the Easy-Glider electric and TwinStarII on the front page. Kinda fun "flying" the model before I finish it.

AEAJR
10-03-2006, 11:23 PM
More electric gliders. Some as cheap as $80 and some over $500.
http://www.nesail.com/categories.php?subcatID=12&PHPSESSID=7de49e4022676bc93b51fdf31a75585d

leebee
12-09-2006, 06:16 AM
I just built and flew (with help) my Tower Hobbies Vista EP on my instructor's recommendation for a two meter sailplane. It was $89 with motor and ESC. I just had to buy servos and battery. I used my own radio. It's not the most powerful motor in the world but it gets it up there. I'd recommend it highly.

AEAJR
12-16-2006, 02:17 AM
Well, I finally got an Easy Glider Electric of my own. Love it for thermal chasing and for slope soaring.

nazgul
01-02-2007, 03:12 PM
:) Mars sorry I haven't posted back sooner as I have just purchased a house.
Any way the ESC is a GW 20 amp, the lipo is 10C and the motor is a Tornado
400T sold by Dymond Modelsports. Says 19oz thrust at 10 amps. Best time was 1hr 6min 36sec. Consistant flights in the 30min range. I fly out of Chilliwack BC Canada. 2hrs north of Seattle, our field is about 100ft asl.
Thanks Dan
Nice looking plane!

Dan Johnson
01-02-2007, 11:29 PM
:)Thanks Nazgul, This summer I set a new presonal best of 1hr 16min 20sec.
Still flying great, Dan

nazgul
01-03-2007, 04:09 PM
:)Thanks Nazgul, This summer I set a new presonal best of 1hr 16min 20sec.
Still flying great, Dan
Amazing! Way to go, Dan!:cool:

AEAJR
08-24-2007, 04:22 AM
Anyone have any new e-gliders to add to the discussion?

Ron
09-05-2007, 10:18 PM
Just ordered a Green models Pretty...A friend of mine had one at our last electric fly in, and I liked the looks of it .Gonna power it with an Eflite park 370 outrunner and a graupner 9X5 folder on 3S 1800lithiums.
it has a 63" span and weighs in at approx 20 ounces....hope it works good.

Stan-the-Man
11-26-2007, 09:37 AM
I've been enjoying Aerobird 3 from HobbyZone as a similar design to the Easy Glider. It has a rubber nose and reverse prop. The downside to some is the stick fuselage and V-tail. Has decent power yet can fly slow for a beginning soarer. It's totally RTF with radio within 10 minute assembly plus charge. Seems to work the sky nicely and is only about $110.00 plus shipping. The price seemed right to me. Everything's included, plus video, which I liked. And, no, I'm not a salesman.

http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_planes_hobbyzone_aerobird_3.htm

I don't have space for a lot of parts and repairs, so I have to lean to the RTFs.
I'm anxious to try that the Easy Glider to compare. Appreciated your URLs. :$

-- Stan

AEAJR
11-26-2007, 01:54 PM
I've been enjoying Aerobird 3 from HobbyZone as a similar design to the Easy Glider. It has a rubber nose and reverse prop. The downside to some is the stick fuselage and V-tail. Has decent power yet can fly slow for a beginning soarer. It's totally RTF with radio within 10 minute assembly plus charge. Seems to work the sky nicely and is only about $110.00 plus shipping. The price seemed right to me. Everything's included, plus video, which I liked. And, no, I'm not a salesman.

http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_planes_hobbyzone_aerobird_3.htm

I don't have space for a lot of parts and repairs, so I have to lean to the RTFs.
I'm anxious to try that the Easy Glider to compare. Appreciated your URLs. :$

-- Stan

Hi Stan. I too started on an Aerobird and like them a lot.

The Aerobird is not similar to the Easy Glider but it is similar to the Easy Star.

What is the problem with the V Tail. You will see V tails on $1000 planes. Here is an example of a compettion grade plane with a V tail, the Graphite.
http://www.kennedycomposites.com/graphite.html

Nothing wrong with V tails at all.

Stan-the-Man
11-27-2007, 11:48 AM
Thanks for the reply, AEAJR...

From discussion with hobby shop sales, the V's take heat for not being as responsive at rudder versions. Maybe it's not a valid complaint, but it seems, from pics, most RC'ers opt for rudder control when they can get it. Could be I was being led to consider a more expensive plane... I like to think not. :o

How do you rate the Aerobird's soaring potential to others you've flown?

AEAJR
11-28-2007, 10:46 AM
The AB3 can't compete with a true glider/sailplane for soaring ability but you can get it up in a thermal and ride the lift. I have done it many times.

After my AB I purchased a Great Planes Spirit and a HI-start. Now, that plane LOVEs to ride thermals.

I am now up to about 16 giders and fly gliders most of the time.

FlyWheel
12-22-2007, 06:15 PM
Ed, you got the AB to thermal? I could never get mine to do that. Stay up a bit longer, maybe.

BTW, the EasyStar comes with a 400 can motor, and is NOT like the AeroBird, which has everything under the main wing. The E* has the motor (the heaviest part of the plane) mounted over the wing.

Oh, what does DLG mean?

AEAJR
12-22-2007, 09:36 PM
DLG = discus launched glider - a form of hand launch.

I have thermaled my AB and my AB Challenger. I only had the AB3 for a short while. I gave it to a friend so he could get going, but yes I thermaled my Aerobirds. I took them slope soaring too.

They don't thermal like gliders but they do thermal. If I could stop that prop from spinning it would be much easier to get it to thermal.

What may be helping me is I am an experienced glider pilot. Thermaling is what I do most of my flying time so reading the air and finding lift is something I do a lot.

AEAJR
04-30-2008, 11:14 AM
For those who are ready for their second e-glider, there are some great ones available. Here are a few to consider. Some of these can get quite expensive. I tend more toward the pure gliders but e-gliders are great too.

Omega
http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=5380

Hyper
http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=5513

Dragonfly
http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=3889

AVA E
http://www.kennedycomposites.com/avae.htm

mred
05-03-2008, 11:34 PM
I have kind of a stupid question and I am not trying to make anyone mad or start a war, but it may anyway.

Every time I see someone recommend something it's always the most expensive or close to it thing on the market. It's got to be the latest and greatest on the market and I can't get a motor recommendation for much less then $100.00. A sailplane starts at $400.00 and goes up from there fast.

What happens when you don't have that kind of money or don't want to spend that kind of money. With most of the recommendations I see here, it is going to cost around $1,000.00 or more to fit this thing out and that doesn't even count the radio.

Not everyone wants to fly at a contest and for a weekend flier, something like a Spirit 100 or an Olly I, II, or III is a nice flying glider. I never hear about them, or how about one of the Bird series like the Big Bird or Sky Bird for a weekend flier. Come on guys, how about some recommendations for the common everyday backyard flier that doesn't want to spend an arm and a leg and just wants to go out and enjoy a weekend lazing around the sky with something he can afford or is willing to spend the money on.

Ed

AEAJR
05-04-2008, 03:37 AM
Every time I see someone recommend something it's always the most expensive or close to it thing on the market. It's got to be the latest and greatest on the market and I can't get a motor recommendation for much less then $100.00. A sailplane starts at $400.00 and goes up from there fast.

What happens when you don't have that kind of money or don't want to spend that kind of money. With most of the recommendations I see here, it is going to cost around $1,000.00 or more to fit this thing out and that doesn't even count the radio.

Not everyone wants to fly at a contest and for a weekend flier, something like a Spirit 100 or an Olly I, II, or III is a nice flying glider. I never hear about them, or how about one of the Bird series like the Big Bird or Sky Bird for a weekend flier. Come on guys, how about some recommendations for the common everyday backyard flier that doesn't want to spend an arm and a leg and just wants to go out and enjoy a weekend lazing around the sky with something he can afford or is willing to spend the money on.

Ed

Well Ed, when someone asks for a recommendation and does not state a budget or a goal for the recommedation then people will recommend what they have or what they would choose for themselves.

If you have noticed my posts, I always start with a request for a budget and goals. And sometimes it takes 2-3 posts before I get the answers to those questions.

Spirits and the like are often recommended in the beginner forums. Unfortunately this is the high performance forum, so here we assume people are looking for high performance unless otherwise stated. Go figure. :eek:

It all starts with the question, and how it is asked.

No budget stated, not goals stated, then the sky is the limit .... so to speak. ;)

teamwilly
02-26-2013, 03:25 PM
Well ..not much movement on this thread any-more .So I'll add my bit to this conversation.
I got sucked into the gliders via a you tube presentation of the multiplex cularis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jT7MxjyRXk ... stunning movie!

Bought the plane ,opened the box and realised it's too advanced for the time.Still keen to start with gliders bought the "Robbe Primo" laser cut kit.

http://www.der-schweighofer.at/artikel/91055/bk_robbe_primo_arf_1530_mm_-_robbe

Includes covering film and all wood . Instructions in 6 languages and snug fit on every joint.
First flight ,straight into a thermal , 30 min later, dry mouth, pumping heart, shaking for joy.
You all know how these stories continue.

Next glider was "Phoenix 2000" HK release and I'm just about full bottle on this one.This glider gave me ample opportunities to learn set-up and play with CG .It also forced me to explore my 7c futaba transmitter in greater depth.

On the building board now is RESolutions by "the heavenly hoellein" CNC kit.I do not know which part of the hobby I enjoy more ,building or flying. One thing I know for sure though , I have not yet come to 10% of every thing there is to learn in this hobby.
http://www.hoelleinshop.com/Models-Helicopters/Planes/Elektro-Segelflugmodelle/Hoellein/R-E-S-olution-Elektro-CNC-Holzbausatz-Made-in-Germany-.htm?shop=hoellein_e&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=GRU1800&t=49301&c=12327&p=12327

To all that are looking of getting started on e-gliders ,you will not regret the move.I have a number of sport and scale planes,however the e-gliders taught me a new dimension ,to read thin air.


JUST DO IT
TW

mred
03-04-2013, 06:48 PM
E-Gliders are the only thing I fly. Since I don't have access to a nice big field where you can set up a winch or bungee launch, I am limited to motor power alone. I would rather have a motor anyway, just for the safety of having one. At least I never have to worry about off field landings with a motor and I never have that long walk to pick it up.

I also enjoy the building part and feel that it is very important to me for enjoyment. I just never got to like the ARFs and instant builds. I also don't much care for the everyone has the same thing kind of plane. At least with a build, I can decide if I want spoilers or flaps or whatever else I may want to add or take off. I also get to decide what color it is and how it is put on. I also know that my glue joints are ALL glued and that the spars fit properly and do not have a 1/2" gap in them and depend on plywood supports to hold them in place. I know all my joints are strong and don't have to worry about things falling apart or off my planes because the right glue was not used or was not even glued in the first place. While it is true that there are great ARFs out there, they also cost more then when I build one. Granted mine are not filled with CF like some of the super gliders, but that's fine with me too.

I think you will enjoy the sport more if you build your own, but that is a personal view and not everyone likes to build. Most new people have no idea how to build and are not the least bit interested in learning. That's fine, but a lot of them don't know how to trim a glider and have no idea why that glider they are flying is a pig. Until they see one that is trimmed properly, they don't know that they can be made to fly right. If you need anything, just holler. Someone will answer sooner or later. Not everyone follows a thread that is this old, but there are still some. Good luck and have a good day.

Ed

AEAJR
03-04-2013, 08:51 PM
Great to see this discussion back from the grave. I went back to post #1
from 2005. Most of the links don't work and some of those gliders may not
be available any more. And, of course there are a whole lot of new one. So
let's get them into the thread.

Electric gliders used to be too slow to be fun as electric planes and kida
heavy to be great thermal soaring planes. Their brushed motors and heavy
NiCd battery packs made their wing loadings much higher than their pure
glider cousins. In some cases they were as much as 50% heavier. Within
their limitations they were fun, and people flew them, but they definately
had disadvantages over pure gliders.

Those days are over!!!!

Today's e-gliders are light, powerful and fun. They can be fast and
aerobatic or they can be light and excellent thermal soaring aircraft.
Even low cost entry level models can have steep climb angles and be at
thermal hunting heigh in 30 seconds or less. Some are available as pure
gliders or electric gliders.

Many parkflyer pilots are getting involved in thermal and slope soaring
through e-gliders. And many experienced glider pilots are finding the
convenience of e-gliders can be a nice addition to their fleet of pure
gliders. Using today's brushless motors and light lipo batteries many
e-gliders are close in weight to their pure glider versions. This means
that having a built in launching system does not have to be the serious
weight penalty it once was. And you can get many climbs back to height out
of a single battery pack.

Here are a few electric gliders to help you make a quick survey of some of
the options available to get involved in e-gliders.

Parkzone Radian -
This molded foam e-glider has been wildly successful. Parkflyer pilots love
it and seasoned glider pilots are enjoying them too. I have one myself and
I just love it. If you are taking your first step into RC aircraft, thermal
soaring or slope soaring I can certainly recommend the Radian. The
rudder/elevator/throttle design of the Radian makes it extremely easy to fly
and an excellent trainer for RC flying or RC soaring. There is an RTF
package that is an excellent value including 2.4 GHz Spektrum Radio, lipo
battery and charger. Everything is included and it is truly ready to fly.
There is also a receiver ready package for those who already have RC
equipment.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchCmd?searchKeyword=Radian&searchType=productgrid

Mulitplex Easy Glider Pro
In my opinion, the Easy Glider kicked off a new era of foam based pure and
electric gliders. At one time foam gliders were mainly for slope soaring,
but Multiplex showed that a foam glider could be tough and be a good thermal
soaring glider.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVEN8&P=7

Hitec SkyScout - Park Glider
The SkyScout replaced the Easy Star. I call this a park glider because
The Easy Star has been very popular as a parkflyer and is
one of the most successful trainer plane designs for self training new pilots.
The high mounted pusher motor and elapor foam allow the Easy Star to handle
a lot of punishment and keep on flying. However it happens to have a pretty
good wing for thermal soaring too. If flown with a light weight lipo pack
this can be a good grab and grow thermal soaring glider for sport flying.
R/E/T design
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=&FVSEARCH=Hitec+Skyscout&search=Go


If you want something a little hotter, take a look at these. They are not
beginner planes. Some would call these warmliners and some hotliners. They
are based on glider type designs but are optimized for speed and aerobatics more
than thermal soaring features. They would be equally valid as an aerobatic glider or a slope
gliders but not my first choice for a thermal glider.

Blizzard
Elapor Foam - more of a warm liner than a hot liner -
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXUTV3&P=ML

Siren
Built up wing design - first one on the list that isn't a foamy -
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHPD0&P=7

More E-gliders - Many are available as pure gliders or e-gliders. Prices
range from $100 to $1000+ Some are kits, some are ARFs and some may be
RTF. Wing spans can be as small as 1 meter or over 4 meters, so you have a
wide range of choices.

http://www.kennedycomposites.com/
http://www.espritmodel.com/
http://www.soaringusa.com/
http://www.skipmillermodels.com/
http://www.arthobby.com/
http://www.skybench.com (http://www.skybench.com)

teamwilly
03-08-2013, 03:59 PM
G'day mred and AEAJR
just like to add to the "wishlist" the following gliders

http://www.lenger.de/cgi-bin/neu_web_store.pl?page=elektro-vogel-3000-holz.htm&&cart_id=8223473_3901

http://www.lenger.de/cgi-bin/neu_web_store.pl?page=swallow.htm&&cart_id=8223473_3901

The two above show e- conversions on the plans and come in kit form.With the euro sites one has to take the VAT tax of 19% off to get a clearer price idea. I found buying from euro dealers ,that shipping is more economical than shipping from east to west coast in Australia.

http://www.decker-planes.de/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_ad.tpl&product_id=34&category_id=23&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=275

http://www.decker-planes.de/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_ad.tpl&product_id=36&category_id=24&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=276

Both these planes are a must down the track ,but first I have to acquire more skills and to help me get there is the hobby king" mini DLG 950mm "span or the "versus composite 1500mm "span DLG.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__29764__Mini_DLG_Composite_Discus_Launch_Glider_9 50mm_PNF_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__23138__Versus_Composite_DLG_1500mm_Glider_Kit.ht ml

I invite your guidance on the above gliders.I tend to obtain a" sacrificial lamb" first if and when I change direction .In closing I leave you with a video that is a joy to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPDdcZdP_hc

mred
03-08-2013, 08:04 PM
I hate to tell you this, but since I have never flown a DGL glider I can't help you much. On the first two, I have never seen them before, so I can't tell you much about them either. Going strictly by looks, I like the first one, but the only gliders I have flown are the local kind. Sorry I couldn't help you more, but I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.

Ed

AEAJR
03-08-2013, 08:29 PM
G'day mred and AEAJR
just like to add to the "wishlist" the following gliders

http://www.lenger.de/cgi-bin/neu_web_store.pl?page=elektro-vogel-3000-holz.htm&&cart_id=8223473_3901

http://www.lenger.de/cgi-bin/neu_web_store.pl?page=swallow.htm&&cart_id=8223473_3901

The two above show e- conversions on the plans and come in kit form.With the euro sites one has to take the VAT tax of 19% off to get a clearer price idea. I found buying from euro dealers ,that shipping is more economical than shipping from east to west coast in Australia.

http://www.decker-planes.de/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_ad.tpl&product_id=34&category_id=23&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=275

http://www.decker-planes.de/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_ad.tpl&product_id=36&category_id=24&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=276

Both these planes are a must down the track ,but first I have to acquire more skills and to help me get there is the hobby king" mini DLG 950mm "span or the "versus composite 1500mm "span DLG.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__29764__Mini_DLG_Composite_Discus_Launch_Glider_9 50mm_PNF_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__23138__Versus_Composite_DLG_1500mm_Glider_Kit.ht ml

I invite your guidance on the above gliders.I tend to obtain a" sacrificial lamb" first if and when I change direction .In closing I leave you with a video that is a joy to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPDdcZdP_hc

There first two appear to be in german and I don't speak German but from what I see they are 3M and about 42 ounces which I presume is the empty weight. Teh second seems to have more dihedral in the wing so will be a bit more stable. Both are pretty birds.

The third looks like a DLG.

The fourth appears to be a small hi-start or HL Glider that would also be good for slope soaring.

While any glider can be converted to electric, these don't seem to be specifically set up for electric.


The last two are clearly DLGs. I presume you are not thinking of these two for converson to electric. I fly DLGs myself, but know nothing about these HK birds.

The key areas I look for on first DLGs is weight and boom strength. Those are usually where the problems lie. The weights given must be empty weights as they are too light to be all up weights.

Why the boom? Because the typical DLG throw, once you get good at the technique, wips that tail around and a weak boom will break.

Chucksolo69
03-08-2013, 10:06 PM
The AXN Floater Jet (aka, Clouds Fly) from Hobby King is a nice one at a great price. It will soar as high as you want and can fly at speeds over 70 MPH if you want it to. It is prettty durable too. I have at least 100 flights on mine.

mred
03-08-2013, 10:44 PM
If you don't mind building from a kit, then I would like to add a great 2M for sport or contest work. The 2M Chrysalis is a great 2M and you can build either then E version or the sailplane version. Both can be built with a conventional or V tail and you get to take your pick. It is super easy to build and the only problem area I see is getting the small servos for the spoilers in the wing. Something like the Blue Bird 306MAX work fantastic and fit just perfect.

It was designed for a speed 600 motor, but that is the last motor I would choose for it. A good 200W brushless motor would be ever so much better and a good LiPo battery to go with it. Weight will come out to around 35oz to 40oz depending on how good you are a building lite. I got my weight down to 38.5oz and am happy with that. I use a 2200MAh 3S battery under the nose hatch for weight, since it was designed for that boat anchor 600 motor. I needed the weight and I figure a battery is at least using the weight for something good. I still had to add 3/4oz of led to get the CG right.

If you have never built a kit before, this would be a great one to start with since it was designed for a beginner to build. It's a great flying glider and for a first build, you can't go wrong. You can get 1 hour flights with not to many problems and more if you are good. That's on a single climb, not using the battery up. I have not broken the hour mark yet, but I am close. The glider is capable, it's just me that is not so far. I normally climb up to around Hi-Start height and cut the motor and go from there.

Ed

Tennislee
11-15-2013, 08:27 PM
I just ordered a chrysalis kit, any suggestions on motor/battery/ecc/props?

mred
11-16-2013, 04:27 PM
I just ordered a chrysalis kit, any suggestions on motor/battery/ecc/props?

That's a great kit, but pay close attention to the photos and instructions. It's an easy kit to build, but you can make some minor mistakes if not careful. As for the motor, I use a 200W motor in mine with a 25A ESC and a 3S 2200mah battery. That battery is in there for balance since it was designed for a speed 600 motor back in the old days. You should come out around 35 to 40oz ready to fly weight and it will fly fantastic. If you make the nose longer you could get away with a smaller battery, but I had to put that one in to get the CG right and still had to add 1/4 oz of led. (I got rid of some more weight) For a prop I use a 10X6 folding prop and that works out pretty good. I can climb at about 60 to 70 degrees nose up and it climbs great. Not super fast, but a good bit faster then a lot of gliders. Just make sure you keep the wires off the motor when it is running or they will get ground through and short out. That spinning can does a number on them if you are not careful. I use a sliding bulkhead right in back of the motor with a corner cut off to hold the wires in place and it slides out for motor removal. Be especially careful of the fuselage sides when you are gluing them together since one side is shorter then the other. Make sure you get that right, since I don't think it will like left thrust very much. Right thrust and down thrust are built in during construction, so pay attention to what you are doing with the fuselage half's when you are gluing them together.

I have the CG quite far back from the plans, but start at the plans location to start with and then work your way back. Mine is rather far back and I like it there, but not everyone does. This glider is quite forgiving of an aft CG, so you can move it quite a bit and not get jumpy on the elevator. Good luck with your build. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them. Someone will answer you. They are all pretty good about that.

AEAJR
12-14-2013, 04:38 AM
I just ordered a chrysalis kit, any suggestions on motor/battery/ecc/props?

How are you doing with your build? what power set-up did you choose?

Tennislee
12-15-2013, 03:52 PM
Is there any reason a park 480 motor couldn't be mounted by installing a second firewall aft of the front of the plane, then mounted using the motor mount that comes with the motor, eliminating the need to reverse the prop shaft and reducing the risk of the spinning motor rubbing on the motor wires?

Bub Steve
12-15-2013, 04:28 PM
480 should work great,, I had one on my gentelLady but put a 450 in it this year, Power won't be a prob at all, I had a 600 brushed on it a dozen years ago, I flatened the wings out and have flaps and ailerons on her, was just as fun on three Ch's though, Sounds like your in for a mess of Fun, bubsteve

mred
12-16-2013, 01:18 PM
Is there any reason a park 480 motor couldn't be mounted by installing a second firewall aft of the front of the plane, then mounted using the motor mount that comes with the motor, eliminating the need to reverse the prop shaft and reducing the risk of the spinning motor rubbing on the motor wires?

You could, but that 480 is a little on the large size. It will also be impossible to get out without tearing something up. I would get the smallest 150A to 200W or so motor and mount in on the front firewall so you can take it out if the need arises. I have had mine out a couple times and it sure is nice not to have to tear something out to get to the motor.

Also, the motor has right and down thrust built in, so the bottom right is a good place to run the wires. I put a former in back of the motor with a corner cut off so it will hold the wires in place. The former slides in and is held in place by the top hatch when it is on, so it is not going anywhere. To remove the motor, simply slide that former out and the motor is simple to remove.

AEAJR
02-27-2014, 02:22 PM
The Parkzone Radian is still my top recommendation for a first e-glider.

Anyone find anything as good or better?