To FUTABA - How to set Fly Wing On 14MZ

[PhilipShum]

I am in the process of setting up my Delta / Fly Wing.

It is an 'Electric Bee' equiped with two Servo and two Aileron.

I am using a 6 channel PCM Rx. The Tx is a Futaba 14MZ.

On the Futaba 14MZ, I have chose 'Fly Wing' fuselage, but was not able to set the aileron to perform the functions of aileron as well as elevator. Do I have to set any program mixing ? Or, do I missed any points?

I should be grateful if some experienced flyer would enlighten me as to what is the proper way to set it up in the above mentioned environment.

Philip Shum

[qban_flyer]

I am in the process of setting up my Delta / Fly Wing.

It is an 'Electric Bee' equiped with two Servo and two Aileron.

I am using a 6 channel PCM Rx. The Tx is a Futaba 14MZ.

On the Futaba 14MZ, I have chose 'Fly Wing' fuselage, but was not able to set the aileron to perform the functions of aileron as well as elevator. Do I have to set any program mixing ? Or, do I missed any points?

I should be grateful if some experienced flyer would enlighten me as to what is the proper way to set it up in the above mentioned environment.

Philip Shum

Go back to the programming and check where you chose "Fly Wing" and make sure the mix is not INHIBITED. Futaba mixes come defaulted as INH, you are supposed to make them Active or ON. Only then, when the elevator stick is moved will both ailerons act as elevators.

Another way to do it is to use the pre-programmed Elevon Mix. You will still have to activate it, though.

[PhilipShum]

I have set up the 'Electric Bee' sucessfully on my Futaba 9Z. But now I am facing the problem of setting it up on the Futaba 14MZ.

The problem I am facing is still not solved yet. Please offer help.

Philip Shum

[Up&Away]

I am not familiar with the 14MZ, but somewhere you should have "elevon mix". Make sure it is not inhibited.

[qban_flyer]

I have set up the 'Electric Bee' sucessfully on my Futaba 9Z. But now I am facing the problem of setting it up on the Futaba 14MZ.

The problem I am facing is still not solved yet. Please offer help.

Philip Shum

Philip,

Have you checked for Elevon Mix in the programming menu as Up&Away and I suggested above?

Your only other way out of this quagmire will be to call Futaba and ask for their assistance. It baffles me that their owner's manual could be worse than the ones that came with my three 8 Super TXs, though after 'studying' them and the one that came with the 9C nothing from Futaba surprises me anymore.

Sorry I can't be of further assistance.

[Up&Away]

I had a quick look at the manual. The setup seems to start with the modeltype, but not having a 14MZ makes it a bit difficult to suggest a solution. Make sure your servos are plugged into Ch1 & 2. Are the servos moving at all? You may have to fiddle around with the mixers, but before that I would contact your nearest Futaba dealer (http://www.futaba-rc.com/), to make sure you don't mess up.

[hjscm]

hey phillip. make sure you selct flying wing and then make sure your on the right channels channel 4 and chanel 5 i think throttle is channel 3. and don't look at the sevo monitor it shows things backwards. i just set up my 14 last night and had the same problem. i looked at servo monitor and it shows when i give elevator both channels move oppossite directions should move the same. but plugged in battery and they did move the same. hope this helps

[PhilipShum]

Thank you very much for all your advice.

By the way, hjscm, yes, I had try chosing the 'Fly Wing' fuselage to start with. There are different types of wings, for example, two aileron, two aileron with two flap, etc. Which one did you choose?

Philip Shum

[hjscm]

i have a wing that just has 2 airlerons. so i choose that one. i have the model on my computer is there some where i can upload it or email it to you. only like 80 kb. or so.

[hjscm]

okay i think i have it attached.

[PhilipShum]

Dear hjscm,

I have down loaded your 'mdl' file. I am going to put it on my 14MZ to see what happens.

What a wonderful world, people can share useful information in this way!

Thank you very much.

Philip Shum

[hjscm]

no problem i flew yesterday and it was great. i would put some expo in it though. the model i gave you didn't have any. it shure needs it. hope you get it going
chris

[PhilipShum]

no problem i flew yesterday and it was great. i would put some expo in it though. the model i gave you didn't have any. it shure needs it. hope you get it going
chris

Dear Chris,

I have your down loaded file, but I have not put it on my 14MZ yet. Because the place I have access to the Internet is not the same place I work on my model aircrafts. Therefore, I have not try it yet.

By the way, you mentioned expo. Do you mean the setting which affect the sensitivity of middle stick movements?

Philip Shum

[hjscm]

yes very touchy at center stick

[PhilipShum]

Dear Chris,

I have copied your 'mdl' file to my Futaba 14MZ.

I reset the frequency, PCM, etc to fit my Rx. Having done all these, I switch on both Tx and Rx with the following observations:

The Aileron stick, Rudder stick and the Elevator stick can only move one side of the aileron. By looking from the rear of the Fly Wing, stick movement and reaction is as follows : Aile -> (right); Rud -> (left); and Ele -> (left).

After that, I activated the 'AIL to RUD', and both Aileron worked properly.

But I can not get the Elevator stick to move both right and left aileron in an Elevator manner.

I am using Channel 1 and 4 for the two servo.

Do you have any idea as to what steps I have missed / went wrong?

For the time being, I am using an older method to set up my Fly Wing. I chose basic airplane with normal tail. After that, I program mix the Aileron to Elevator, also Elevator to Aileron. This arrangement temporily sort out the problem. I understand, with a Futaba 14MZ I should not have to do this.

Philip Shum

[hjscm]

do you have a rudder or just 2 ailerons? it should be set up fine. use channel 4 and channel 5 for the ailerons. channel 1 is not used. 3 is throttle. that is the default setup for the 14mz make sure you use channel 4 and 5. or switch it in radio to use 1 and 4.

[PhilipShum]

Dear Chris,

The 'Wing' I am trying to set up is having only two ailerons. There is no rudder. I suppose the two ailerons are performing the function as aileron as well as elevator.

Chris, did you connect the two 'Servos' to Channel 4 & 5?

Philip Shum

[PhilipShum]

I still referring to the setting up of my 'Fly Wing'.

I understand the two surfaces on the back of the Wing serve both as elevator and as aileron. These surfaces are refered to as elevons.

In this case, should this be 'Elevon Mixing'?

Having selected the 'Wing' fuselage, the default configuration of the Futaba 14MZ's functions are shown as 'Rudder'; 'Aileron'; and others. But there was no 'Elevator' function showing in this set up.

Therefore, I wonder if I have done something wrong or is this a software bug on the Futaba 14MZ?

I do not know whether there is anybody from Futaba watching this forum. If so, they might like to comment on this topic.

Philip Shum

[hjscm]

yes you have to connect to channel 4 and 5. those are the aileron channels for the 14 mz. the channel assignment is different for this radio. all i did was select fklying wing. you should be abel to use my mkodel and connect to channel 4 and 5 for the servos and be good to go.

[PhilipShum]

Dear Chris,

First of all, inconnection with my previous posting #18, I wish to declare and confirm that it is NOT a software bug on the Futaba Tx14MZ.

Chris, I have reconneted the servos to channel 4 & 5. After that, the two surface performed the functions as aileron as well as elevator properly.

I have observed that the default setting has put the elevator mix into the virtual channel, VC1.

Having set the Wing to perform its basic functions, now, I am facing the fine tuning obstacle.

I wish to set the Aileron with more Up movement than Down movement.

I have set one side of the aileron with the intended Up / Down movement as wished. But the other side worked in the reversed order, i.e more Down than Up. Do you known how to set both side in the same amount of movements?

Philip Shum

[PhilipShum]

Dear Chris,

It is me again.

Having set up the Fly Wing, I conducted a test flight. During the flight I have put in some elevator trimming.

The triming for the elevator was abnormal, i.e., I require some up elevator, but I have to push the trimming switch away from me instead of pull it towards myself.

Do you have such observation on your set up.

I have tried the 'Hardware Reverse' on the trim switch, but does not solve the problem.

Any idea?

Philip Shum

[PhilipShum]

Dear Sirs,

I refer to my previous posting #20 and #21 on technical problem I encountered on the Futaba Tx14MZ.

I wonder if there is anybody from the techincial advisory section on radio controlled model aircrafts from Futaba watching this forum?

If not, I honestly request them to respond to the technical problem raised in this forum related to their equipment.

I understand that I can E-mail to Futaba and ask them the direct question regarding my Tx14MZ. However, I do not think this will benifit the general E-flight community as the question and answer will be confined to the exisiting user of 14MZ.

If Futaba wish to promote their state-of-the-art 14MZ, they might like to make known the capability of the 14MZ. Up to this moment, I consider it is a state-of-the-art product.

Anyway, I do not know whether my request is a reasonable one?!

Philip

[hjscm]

sorry was out of town. is there any way you can upload your model here and i can download it and look at it? i haven't flown for a week but i am flying tomorrow i would gladly load your model and see if i can find anything.
chris

[PhilipShum]

download it and look at it?.... i am flying tomorrow i would gladly load your model and see if i can find anything.
chris

Dear Chris,

Thank you for your offer.

I'll try to up load the 'mdl' file for your examination. But, I do not think it is flyable on you Wing until a lot of resetting is done. This is because we are using different 'Mode', i.e. I am having the Throttle and Aileron on the right hand stick on my 14MZ. I have noticed your setting is Throttle on the left hand stick.

Philip Shum

[Up&Away]

Dear Sirs,

I refer to my previous posting #20 and #21 on technical problem I encountered on the Futaba Tx14MZ.

I wonder if there is anybody from the techincial advisory section on radio controlled model aircrafts from Futaba watching this forum?

If not, I honestly request them to respond to the technical problem raised in this forum related to their equipment.

I understand that I can E-mail to Futaba and ask them the direct question regarding my Tx14MZ. However, I do not think this will benifit the general E-flight community as the question and answer will be confined to the exisiting user of 14MZ.

If Futaba wish to promote their state-of-the-art 14MZ, they might like to make known the capability of the 14MZ. Up to this moment, I consider it is a state-of-the-art product.

Anyway, I do not know whether my request is a reasonable one?!

Philip
I strongly suggest you contact your dealer, or Futaba directly.