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aviatordave
12-19-2007, 07:35 PM
[go to post #30 for pics of the kit & start of build]


Its out boys!

I just bought mine today, I'm not sure if it will be here before Christmas.

$49.99 + $5 shipping.

Here is a video from Horizons Website - S.E.5A in action (http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Files/EFL1925-Hi.wmv)

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/se5a.jpg

Grasshopper
12-19-2007, 08:26 PM
I want one.

barmonkey
12-19-2007, 09:03 PM
Just put an order in for one myself! I went through my LHS and he said it may just be in on Friday...we'll see.

The downside is...there will be another delay on my Powerline Sopwith Camel build...

Voyager2lcats
12-19-2007, 09:09 PM
If I had not just scratch built one of these that video would have sold it to me. Wow!

CarreraGTSCS
12-21-2007, 02:59 PM
The EFlite model looks nice. Has anyone seen the Lanier Se5a in person? I think that one looks good too.

Santa's bringing me the DynaFlite Se5a kit. It's made of this light brown stuff that comes in sheets and must be glued together. Seems vaguely familiar...;)

Mike

aviatordave
12-21-2007, 03:18 PM
that light brown stuff....I remember that!

take some pics of it as you build it, I'd like to see the construction/plane/flight!

Thanks

gfdengine204
12-21-2007, 04:48 PM
Dangit Dave, you are making me crazy......

As it is, my motor I cashed, a buddy cleaned out for me and works fine now. So, I have a motor that will fit it, and no plane to put it in.......hmmmmmm.

Now, when those tubes you made get here I can put them to good use. :D

Grasshopper
12-21-2007, 04:50 PM
Dangit Dave, you are making me crazy......

As it is, my motor I cashed, a buddy cleaned out for me and works fine now. So, I have a motor that will fit it, and no plane to put it in.......hmmmmmm.

Now, when those tubes you made get here I can put them to good use. :D


Hmmmm. would that motor fit a spare Jenny? :)...buddy........friend......Pal.

Biplane Murphy
12-21-2007, 04:53 PM
Dangit Dave, you are making me crazy......

As it is, my motor I cashed, a buddy cleaned out for me and works fine now. So, I have a motor that will fit it, and no plane to put it in.......hmmmmmm.

Now, when those tubes you made get here I can put them to good use. :D

SOOOOOOooooo.....It works now?.......HAHAHHAHAHA.....I had a feeling a lttle cleaning wiuld fix that motor right up...:D

gfdengine204
12-21-2007, 05:02 PM
Yeah, my buddy took 'er apart and cleaned it right up for me. Saved me 18 bucks. That and he built a Reflections Bipe for me nice and straight, so I owe him.....LOL

aviatordave
12-21-2007, 05:25 PM
Crap....I was going to mail that the other day and got busy with something else. I planned on mailing that...arrggg

I have a half day today, it will go out this afternoon.....my bad


[edit....it is officially in the mail !!]

gfdengine204
12-21-2007, 10:36 PM
Is it coming from Ireland? Are you part Irish? Come on, you can fess up. :)

aviatordave
12-21-2007, 11:04 PM
lol....I am half irish :)

I'll go down to the post office and complain to them why I have not mailed it yet. They will look at me weird..

gfdengine204
12-21-2007, 11:05 PM
make sure it's on camera.....

Grasshopper
12-21-2007, 11:22 PM
Easy now.

gfdengine204
12-21-2007, 11:24 PM
Aww geez what a kill joy

Grasshopper
12-21-2007, 11:26 PM
Sorry :d

stevecooper
12-21-2007, 11:44 PM
I thought they'ed be junk but not, I wish I had some smaller flite-packs, bub, steve

WWI Ace
12-21-2007, 11:45 PM
I don't know if you guys know about this or not but you can get a foam Fokker triplane from Gary Villete at www.dvflightech.com (http://www.dvflightech.com) to chase your SE5A's around. Steve

WWI Ace
12-21-2007, 11:46 PM
Sorry its www.dvflighttech.com (http://www.dvflighttech.com) for the triplane. They fly great and the wings are held on with rare earth magnets!!! Steve

stevecooper
12-21-2007, 11:48 PM
Steve: can't get link up, your bub, stevecooper

gfdengine204
12-21-2007, 11:48 PM
I am hoping with the popularity of these, E-Flite makes more similaryly priced airplanes in this vein. Fokker, Stearman, Sopwith Camel.....yanno, all sorts of fun times.

Tinman
12-22-2007, 12:38 AM
Ditto we need a e-flite Stearman.. hehe I'm not patient enough to build a GWS one.

WWI Ace
12-22-2007, 02:28 AM
I can pull it right up stevecooper. Try doing a search for DV Flighttech and see if you can find it. Steve

stevecooper
12-22-2007, 02:51 AM
Thanks steve, Hate to bug ya but Those Tri's sounded good an I've always wanted one!, your bub, stevecooper

barmonkey
12-22-2007, 07:53 AM
With any luck, I'll have time to get this dude built tomorrow.

aviatordave
12-22-2007, 06:58 PM
what motor are you going to use?

barmonkey
12-22-2007, 10:22 PM
I'd like to use an ELE C-20 1500kv, which is the same as I use in my Jenny. Unfortunately, I only have one...being used by the Jenny.

I do have a 2500kv version...but I do not think it will have enough thrust.

I have read that the SE5 will need some extra weight up front to get C/G...in that case I may use a 400XT...I have one handy...I have also been using one in my Pico Moth with success.

gfdengine204
12-22-2007, 11:10 PM
I just got that motor back I accidentally epoxied - seems to be A-OK. So now I can save my pennies for an SE5a......

aviatordave
12-24-2007, 07:16 AM
The kit showed up yesterday, but I didnt have any time to check it out

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0877.jpg

So I started looking thru it today and noticed they seemed to have fixed a couple weak spots that were present.

Here is a good fix on the rudder, they epoxied a clear plastic piece to support the horn :

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0879.jpg

and also a carbon re-inforced stab:

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0880.jpg

aviatordave
12-24-2007, 07:19 AM
Other cool things I noticed was the cowl. They just have a faceplate screwed on the fuse, less chance of breakage -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0882.jpg

and they even added decals under the wing -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0881.jpg

Here the motor mount box looks similiar and there is no bottom to the cowl -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0883.jpg

aviatordave
12-24-2007, 07:22 AM
The tailskid looks pretty tough. If you break this it means you did something bad....

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0884.jpg

How cool is this machine gun? It will look good atop of the S.E.5a

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0885.jpg

I also noticed that the wheels are better than the Jennys.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0887.jpg

Airhead
12-24-2007, 07:27 AM
Hey Dave,
boy you guys have been very busy with your builds lately... good for you.. Great info. I want Santa to bring me one of everything... I'm so greedy..::o

gfdengine204
12-24-2007, 01:51 PM
Looks like Eflite did some good QA after the Jenny. Good to see.

Now they need to work on some other planes (hint: PT-17, Camel, Fokker......)

stevecooper
12-24-2007, 04:46 PM
Korn'nybub::I gotta have one of Dem-da-doses!!!!! I had no Idea that they were build so well!!My Se5A fly's like Micky Mouse was at the helm!!your bub, steve

gfdengine204
12-24-2007, 05:52 PM
Maybe that's cuz Mickey Mouse IS at da helm! LOL

stevecooper
12-24-2007, 06:55 PM
gfdengine204 (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/member.php?u=14987)::Mickeys Mouse=M.M., Oh my!!bub,stevePS hope you not hav'in to Radio dispatch tonight,happy X-mas my-bub

gfdengine204
12-24-2007, 07:08 PM
gfdengine204 (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/member.php?u=14987)::Mickeys Mouse=M.M., Oh my!!bub,stevePS hope you not hav'in to Radio dispatch tonight,happy X-mas my-bub
No my bub, I am on vacation til Jan 2! :)

stevecooper
12-24-2007, 07:12 PM
Kev::Stay warm, i'm order'in one now, I can probly fly it in the yard!bub,steve

gfdengine204
12-24-2007, 07:23 PM
I've gotta rig my Jenny, and someone tossed out the line that came with it. :mad: Went to Walmart and got some 8lb FireWire to use.

The SE5a is on my list of wanted planes. It's a LONG list. :)

aviatordave
12-27-2007, 06:20 AM
I decided to use this motor in the SE5a. Its a CD-ROM 25 turn motor I got from Randy at www.m-a-e.com (http://www.m-a-e.com). I am pretty sure it has alot more power than the eflite 250 outrunner and its alot cheaper. I'll have to configure the motor to the mount like I did with the Jenny.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0889.jpg


Here is a close up of the motor, It was used on my 3D 6oz foamie I also got from Randy (Slick from www.m-a-e.com (http://www.m-a-e.com))

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0892.jpg

aviatordave
12-27-2007, 06:23 AM
Since I cant install the motor at this time I can move onto the wings. All the gear goes up by the motor so installing the wings is no biggie.

First you have to attach the main cabanes

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0893.jpg


And this is what it looks like with both sides attached -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0895.jpg

Grasshopper
12-27-2007, 06:27 AM
Good looking plane Dave.

aviatordave
12-27-2007, 06:30 AM
Then install the bottom wing. An easy way to make sure it is lined up properly is to attach a string at the tail end of the fuse. Make it long enough to reach the outer wing panels

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0896.jpg


Then stretch the string out at the same point on both wing halves until the length is the same

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0897.jpg


Drill 1/64" thru the holes of the wing for the mounting screws and attach the wing to the fuse

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0899.jpg


Do the same for the top wing -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0900.jpg


Here is what it looks like with the wings attached -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0901.jpg

Thats all until tomorrow - :)

aviatordave
12-28-2007, 06:12 AM
Ok...back at it :)

The motor is next and this is what I am dealing with. The EFLITE carbon tube is 0.309" as shown -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMG_4838.jpg

The shaft of the outrunner (CDROM) is 0.376". So I need to make some adapter to accomodate...see pic -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMG_4840.jpg


First I cut off a piece of nylon stock we have in the shop. (Anything will work, even balsa block).

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMG_4841.jpg


After I find center, drill a small pilot hole for the larger drill to follow.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMG_4842.jpg

After drilling the larger hole, I test fit the carbon EFLITE tube.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMG_4843.jpg


Then I turn the piece around and drill for the CDROM Shaft and test fit.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMG_4845.jpg

Cool...thats done :)

Biplane Murphy
12-28-2007, 06:17 AM
Nice fabrication photos.:)

Now Kev is going to need 6 or 7 of those mounts for his SE5a.:Q

aviatordave
12-28-2007, 06:19 AM
Next I need to install the motor. This is what it looks like before installation, I trimmed the EFLITE carbon tube and nylon tube for fit.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0910.jpg


Here are a couple views showing the new tube and motor in place -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0911.jpg

And.....

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0912.jpg

And...

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0913.jpg

This is the glue I used to hold the motor tube together -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0914.jpg

aviatordave
12-28-2007, 06:25 AM
To get the CDROM motor to fit decent you will need to trim some fat from the cowl. No biggie as it doesnt need to be there anyway.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMG_4847.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0905.jpg

aviatordave
12-28-2007, 06:28 AM
Here are the servos I will be using, also fro www.m-a-e.com (http://www.m-a-e.com) , they are 6 gram servos with 12 oz/in torque.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0918.jpg


and of course for control I will be using the new AR6100E (www.toddsmodels.com (http://www.toddsmodels.com)) with my DX7

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0920.jpg

Here is a pic of the servos installed, for something this light you can just use a hot glue gun. (Wilburs favorite :))

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0922.jpg

aviatordave
12-28-2007, 06:36 AM
Tail assembly is next, everything is slotted, just make sure to make it all square.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0923.jpg


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0925.jpg


And here is the finished tail assembly -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0931.jpg


After that install the control horns on the rudder and elevator -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0933.jpg


of course...what is a WWI fighter withought a machine gun?

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0926.jpg

barmonkey
12-29-2007, 03:54 AM
Dave, when you installed the cabanes, did it appear to be a solid mount?
When I looked at mine, it appeared that the screw just went into the plastic and then foam. Is there balsa behind there?
I was just about to use some epoxy to strengthen this area a bit.

aviatordave
12-29-2007, 04:20 AM
I'm not sure, I suppose some epoxy wouldnt hurt though.

Did you figure out which one goes on each side? It didnt tell in the directions, but after looking at it for a bit I figured it out.

barmonkey
12-29-2007, 04:53 AM
Haven't looked that close yet...I'll get there soon.

barmonkey
12-29-2007, 05:02 AM
what's the difference BTW?

gfdengine204
12-29-2007, 05:20 AM
Nice fabrication photos.:)

Now Kev is going to need 6 or 7 of those mounts for his SE5a.:Q

HEY NOW!!!!! Yeesh the monkey disappears and everyone decides to slam me in his wake......::o:confused:

aviatordave
12-29-2007, 08:13 PM
what's the difference BTW?

On top of the main cabanes, the flat pieces of wood that the top wing screws into are angled. After looking at it I figured out the angles need to point in towards the cockpit. Reason is when you attach the top wing you have to spread out the cabanes which will make the pieces parallel to the wing.

That might sound confusing, but once you look at it it will make sense.

barmonkey
12-29-2007, 10:34 PM
Thanks, Dave

mustangpilot
01-01-2008, 03:27 AM
Dave nice job so far, I've been looking at your pic'c of your motor. I'm I seeing thing's or does your motor only have two wires comming off of the winding? I've never seen a brushless setup with two! And have you flown the SE 5 yet? Jim

Biplane Murphy
01-01-2008, 03:37 AM
I was wondering about the 2 wires thing also... the wires look like they aren't the same length also?

scalercflyer
01-01-2008, 01:30 PM
Boy am I in trouble! :eek: My LHS has 2 SE5a's in stock!:D:D Should I or should I? :confused: Ha Ha Haaaaaaa!!! :rolleyes: Steve, Murph where are you Brothers? Martin

gfdengine204
01-01-2008, 03:26 PM
Martin,

Go and snag one of those before it's too late! :)

scalercflyer
01-01-2008, 04:59 PM
That does it Kev.... by this weekend I'll have one! Martin

Biplane Murphy
01-01-2008, 06:03 PM
Boy am I in trouble! :eek: My LHS has 2 SE5a's in stock!:D:D Should I or should I? :confused: Ha Ha Haaaaaaa!!! :rolleyes: Steve, Murph where are you Brothers? Martin

They answer is always...."Get it!!!"....:Q

aviatordave
01-01-2008, 06:28 PM
There are 3 wires on the motor, one was kinda short compared to the others (optical illusion) :)

The plane is completely done, I'll update the photos later today when I get on the desktop (using the laptop now)

Working on the RCU Bipe now, will do a build thread on it today as well.

Happy new years guys!

oh ya....I wont fly the SE5 until Sat. Jan 6 at our indooor flying session. I'll post some video. One of the other guys got his done also, so hopefully we can get some formation flying

WWI Ace
01-01-2008, 08:14 PM
Martin has a great place to fly indoors. This plane will be great for him!!! Steve

mustangpilot
01-03-2008, 10:48 PM
I have one coming, was hopeful it would be here today but it never made it. Oh well maybe in the morning. We fly in an old hanger at the closed Chanute AFB. Awesome size, but colder than a well diggers :red: you know! My Dad has the Jenny, sweet, sweet plane. I just hope the SE 5 will fly like that.

gfdengine204
01-03-2008, 10:57 PM
I have one coming, was hopeful it would be here today but it never made it. Oh well maybe in the morning. We fly in an old hanger at the closed Chanute AFB. Awesome size, but colder than a well diggers :red: you know! My Dad has the Jenny, sweet, sweet plane. I just hope the SE 5 will fly like that.
Are you allowed to bring a propane heater in with you? Like a Mr buddy or something? At least to have to warm up a little?

I bet its a great place to fly; we use a high school gymnasium (actually, we have 2, so guys wanting to fly 3D can go to the smaller one and hover and all, and those of us flying circuits can do that as well.

Dang I wish I lived a little farther south near there......<sigh>

mustangpilot
01-03-2008, 11:21 PM
Hey Kev, ya if you just lived Little farther south. We do use a bullet heater but you have to stand right in front of it, and there is always some body trying to warm up.The concrete floor must be a foot thick or more, the sun never gets to it so its like a large fridge. These hangers are huge, but you have to watch for the lights they hang down from the roof about fifteen feet or so.the guys from Tower hobbies get to fly in the armory at the U of I thats not fair, I'm just jealous :sad: wish we all could get permission. Although I think they pay for the time?? not sure.I'm still jealous. Jim

gfdengine204
01-03-2008, 11:25 PM
Well, maybe you should befriend the guys from Tower and fly with them.

I am waiting for my credit from Horizon for my returned Jenny, and then I will be ordering the S.E.5.a.......then I will have TWO of these cool looking indoor fliers!

aviatordave
01-04-2008, 03:20 PM
Ok...lets finish this up.

The plane is pretty much put together, I installed the flying wires. Let me just say.....you need to be a patient person and have some decent eyes to route the string thru the holes. After it is installed it adds alot of character to the plane.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0947.jpg

Instead of using the little plastic retainers they give you I did this - I used some small heat shrink and a dab of Sumo glue. Works good -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0962.jpg


Here is where I placed the Castle Creations 10 amp ESC -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0954.jpg


And the AR6100 is mounted behind the motor box, fits nicely -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0956.jpg

aviatordave
01-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Here is the plane all done, finally :)

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0946.jpg


And here it is with the Jenny -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0963.jpg


This is how I store them.....keeps them out of the way -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0964.jpg

gfdengine204
01-04-2008, 06:43 PM
Dave,

What are they hanging by? Tailskid?

Grasshopper
01-04-2008, 06:50 PM
Those a perty Dave. I especially like the Se5

aviatordave
01-04-2008, 07:03 PM
Dave,

What are they hanging by? Tailskid?

around the tail...you can see some string on the SE5 (from the last pic). My lower level's walls have all my planes hanging like that, even the glow

mustangpilot
01-04-2008, 09:05 PM
Very nice Dave, I hang my small ones that way. Saves banging them up moving them all the time. Please give us your flight report after you get her up. Stay warm, It's been da#@ Cold, Here as well. Jim

scalercflyer
01-05-2008, 12:12 AM
Sweet looking plane aviatordave! :D I'm picking mine up tomorrow! :cool: Can't wait! We have an indoor fly on the 25th. She'll be the bell of the ball! :D:D Martin

WWI Ace
01-05-2008, 04:20 AM
Finish up your little foam Fokker tripe and get one of your flying buddies to dogfight you Martin!!! Steve

aviatordave
01-07-2008, 11:16 PM
It flys great!

I flew it countless times yesterday, even attempted some formation flying with another SE5a which I sucked at :)

The plane had awsome power with that CDROM motor I used and only needed a couple clicks of right rudder for no hands flying. IMHO, they worked the bugs out on this plane and it handles better than the Jenny.



spuacruD17Y

Airhead
01-07-2008, 11:37 PM
nice video Dave,
I thought your formation stuff didn't look so bad. Heck, when I'm that close to anything I usually run into it....:o

You are really taking off with the biplanes that you have been building. You build some good stuff Dave..:ws:

I certainly wouldn't mind having an indoor place to fly like you guys do..

gfdengine204
01-07-2008, 11:39 PM
Very nice Dave.....soon as I get my credit, I'll have to get one. I have the same motor/ESC combo ready for it. Might as well give them a home.....

scalercflyer
01-08-2008, 12:44 AM
Well Boys I picked up the SE5a eflite kit today from the HS. :D :D At first I thought it was just another overpriced ARF but I quickly changed my mind! I am impressed with this kit! :D The kit is somewhat sparse (supposed to be in an ARF). It does, however, have an absolutely beautiful fuselage that is well constructed and complete. :) The control runs are already in place. It has a nice laser cut engine mount already installed, servo bays are cut out and ready to accept the servos. It also has a cockpit installed and engine covers installed. I plan to super detail the fuse and engine and maybe have Snoopy fly her. After all I can't go into battle without a pilot. I will start by adding longer exhaust tubes, painting the exhaust manifolds and adding the missing Vickers to the fuse. After all, I need some fire power to survive in the war choked skies over South Jersey! :eek: I will be constructing the kit over the next week or so as time permits. Should go quite quickly. Just need to find that darn camera...... This build thread by aviatordave pretty much shows the steps to basic construction. I will only highlight the mods I will perform. More details to come... Martin. and NO Steve, It will not be red!!!! Not even a little!!!

gfdengine204
01-08-2008, 02:13 AM
What's wrong with red?

mustangpilot
01-08-2008, 07:36 PM
Very nice Dave. so Would it be safe to say you like it?? :-) Jim

scalercflyer
01-21-2008, 02:07 AM
Boys, I seem to have missed which prop size was used on the eflite SE5a. The instructions state a 6X5 prop. :confused: Ever try to find one???! :mad: I'm guessing I'll be OK with a 7X5 or an 8X5. Comments/suggestions always welcomed. BTW, I'm using a motor similar to aviatordaves with a 540mah 2cell lipol to feed it. Martin

mustangpilot
01-21-2008, 02:15 AM
Hey Martin, I'm not sure about going much bigger than a 7x5 it would more than likely pull more watts than you would want it too,for a 540 pack? I ordered mine from toddsmodels.com. If you check with Horizon I'll bet they stock them also. Hope this helps. Jim ????

scalercflyer
01-21-2008, 04:51 AM
Thanks Jim! I think I'll stick with the 7X5 prop as you suggest. I think it's readily available. BTW, I have a VERY NICE book on Mustangs if you would like it (for free!!!). I assume you like Mustangs? Just PM me with your addy and I'll send it! PS: I have a kit of the HOB P51 just waiting for a someday build. Martin

aviatordave
01-21-2008, 05:12 AM
I'm using a 9x4.7 prop with the motor I used. Flys good

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220185899520&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=012

pulls 6-7 amps WOT. I am using a 2 cell 460 mah 15C lipo.

mustangpilot
01-22-2008, 01:44 AM
Thats pretty good Dave, maybe I didnt see what motor you guys where talking about??? What kind on flight times are you getting?? I'm set up to run the E-Flite 250 with 700 mah two cell pack. It looks like I'm going to be a tad tail heavy?? I hope to maiden it this saturday. Jim

scalercflyer
01-22-2008, 02:24 AM
Jim, the motor I'm using resembles the one used in this thread by aviatordave. I have to look for the specs, but I bought it with a 10amp ESC as a combo. I think it'll do the job just fine. Martin

scalercflyer
01-22-2008, 02:27 AM
Jim care to enlighten me as to the P51's unit you have as you aviator? I don't think it's a Tuskeegee P51 but I could be wrong. Martin

scalercflyer
01-22-2008, 02:32 AM
What kind of flight times are you getting with that batt/prop combo aviatordave? Martin

mustangpilot
01-22-2008, 02:57 AM
Martin my Avatar is "BigDick" Pilot, Major Richard Hewitt, 8th USAAF 78th FG.
I have my little SE5 ready heres a shot of her. I hope to maiden her this saturday. Jim

Airhead
01-22-2008, 03:00 AM
Hey Mustangpilot,
Your SE-5 looks great..:ws: Nice job. good luck with your maiden. Let us know how it goes..

ps.. I like your signature..

mustangpilot
01-22-2008, 03:13 AM
Thanks Bruce,I had to come up with something to tell the Mrs, she does not come out to the shop very often but sometimes:D I'll let you know how things go. If its any thing like the Jenny she will be fun. My Dad has the Jenny and that one flies great, I love shooting touch n go's.

scalercflyer
01-22-2008, 01:41 PM
Jim unless I am seeing things, apparently you have also added ailerons. :) Nice! I also was admiring your LG upgrade. Perhaps you can share a little about the way you went about it. Did you use balsa or ply ( I like to use Popsicle sticks. I get them at the dollar store.100 for a buck!) :D on the LG? I also noted you did a little painting too on the engine. Very, very nice touches. Great job! Best of luck on the maiden. I'm sure it'll be great. You did us proud. Martin

mustangpilot
01-22-2008, 02:28 PM
Hi, and thanks. Yes I did add ailerons, I'm missing the hardware to connect the upper and lower, but thats been ordered and should be here Wednesday, I hope. As for the landing gear mod's, I used some scrap balsa from my Aeronca Chief I'm building,thats the wing in the back ground. I used a light oak stain on it, it could have been a tad darker but thats all the stain I had on hand.I used low temp hot glue to attach the balsa to the wire. I've found that its flexible enough to not break as the gear wire flexes. The motor I just used some testor paint to give it a used look. I also mixed some green and black craft paint and painted the leading edge on the wings and tail. Some of my flying buddies think I'm nuts,But hey, I like to make them look as real as possible, foam or not.:D Jim

aviatordave
01-22-2008, 03:10 PM
What kind of flight times are you getting with that batt/prop combo aviatordave? Martin

I'm flying indoors at a bit less than half throttle. Once in awhile I give it some gas to get out of someones way, but the planes cooks along good at ~half throttle giving me over 10 min. I usually land after that so I can fly my other planes. I also have a 700 mah pack that would work and that would prob give me close to 20 min if I was inclined to fly that long. If you have a heavier pack to use, go for it. This plane needed the extra nose weight, so might as well put a decent pack in there.

I had to tape a steel washer to the battery for nose weight as mine was tail heavy when I used the 460 mah lipo.

mustangpilot
01-22-2008, 06:37 PM
Hey Dave, I just wondered if it was me? mine is a little tail heavy with a 700 or 730 mah pack I cant remember. So it looks like I better add some nose weight. I still have to add my hardware for ailerons, So I'm for sure going to be tail heavy! Also Dave, will you be coming to E-Fest? Thanks. Jim

aviatordave
01-23-2008, 12:53 AM
The guy I flew with a couple weeks ago said his was tail heavy also, so its not you :). If you have a bigger pack, see if you can make it work.

I'm contemplating the E-fest...its a 5 hr drive. There are other guys going that live around here, but I got this thing called 'kids' that require some attention....cant trust teenagers :)

I am planning on this though, http://www.e-xpodome.com/ (Feb 16-17)

Not sure how far away you are, but its huge inside (160 foot ceiling) and all the pro guys will be there also.

Remember the old days when wintertime killed flying? gotta love these electrics :)

mustangpilot
01-23-2008, 03:58 AM
Well thats kind of good to hear, Its not bad tail heavy but for my first flight I'd rather be safe. I wasn't sure how far in Iowa you where? I'm right here in town. Our club helps work the event, I work the flight line. I wanted to meet you if you where going to make the trip. I fully understand about kids. I graduated::o both mine are out of the coop. Now just dealing with the wife and empty nest syndrome.:eek: Stay warm, and Yes gotta love these electrics. Jim

mustangpilot
01-26-2008, 06:03 PM
Today was the day, Maiden flight on the SE-5.she was a hand full at first. I got back down and made a few changes.I removed the nose weight that was needed for CG balance. I added move expo on the elevator and removed some expo on the ailerons. also added a touch more on the rudder. Next flight was better but it was a touch tail heavy. I taped a quarter over the nose,up again. That did the trick, she was flying almost level, just a couple clicks of down trim. It flies well but, I don't think she's as stable as the jenny. Now don't get me wrong if your already flying an aileron plane with rudder, you should have no trouble. Or if you opt not to install ailerons on this plane it should be more stable in the turns. But like most of them you have to use both aileron and rudder to make your turns. The wheels are junk, even with the copper tube insert they are just to thin. Also if you have the newer E-flight 250 motor don't use the o-ring, go get some with a little more thickness to them. I asked one of the other guys flying the jenny if I could see his o-ring,it was twice the thickness of mine. Hence why mine blew off in flight. ya, not a good thing. Over all I'm pleased with it. Jim

aviatordave
01-26-2008, 06:57 PM
Wow..interesting!

I wonder why we have so many varied results from these eflite planes? I'm starting to think that every kit has its own personality.

gfdengine204
01-26-2008, 07:06 PM
Yeah......

Mine is attracted to basketball backboards....go figure....

mustangpilot
01-26-2008, 07:25 PM
It does seem strange doesn't it? Your's didn't fly anything like what I've described Dave? Mine seems to have allot of yaw with the rudder. when you coordinate the turn with rudder with ailerons she's fine. Kev sorry to hear your's likes basket ball poles, I had a tiger moth that loved the rim. she even made a three pointer once :D Jim

scalercflyer
01-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Well Guys I'm back on the build again after being real sick for a week. I noticed a couple of things maybe one (or more) of you ran up against. When I was putting the control horns into the rudder and the elevator the slots were cut too small. I ended up splitting the rudder at the bottom. Also the clear plastic reinforcement buckled. After I glued the fin to the stab I trial fitted it to the fuse. The end of the rudder, at the bottom, moved so much side to side that I lost half the throw. I ended up using a very small plastic hinge on it to stabilize it. I had to put a small piece of foam into the hole at the end of the fuse. That way I had a place for the small hinge to attach to. I then noticed that I had more throw one way versus the other. This necessitated me carving the elevator relief larger. This solved the problem until I tried to deflect the rudder all the way to the left only to find the control horn hits the fuse. Very frustrating. I am going to have to cut the control horn down to get equal throws for right and left. The tail seems awful floppy to me. I may use a couple of very light carbon fiber rods to stiffen it up. Comments please Gentlemen. Martin

gfdengine204
01-26-2008, 08:21 PM
It does seem strange doesn't it? Your's didn't fly anything like what I've described Dave? Mine seems to have allot of yaw with the rudder. when you coordinate the turn with rudder with ailerons she's fine. Kev sorry to hear your's likes basket ball poles, I had a tiger moth that loved the rim. she even made a three pointer once :D Jim
As soon as I get used to her, by flying her in a larger space, I should be ok. It's just getting used to her in such a small area.

mustangpilot
01-28-2008, 01:47 AM
Hey Martin, I'm glad to hear your feeling better. I also thought that the tail maybe Little floppy, I added my fire line fishing string to the tail from the stab of the rudder to the stab of the ele down to the bottom. I believe it may have helped. I flew outside today and it was neat to see it floating by. Just enough wind to slow things down but not make it bouncy. It was fun to fly it outside afer the weather we've had. I post a few shots of how I've done mine. Maybe give you an idea on how to improve it. Jim

gfdengine204
01-28-2008, 01:51 AM
Jim,

Nice job with the tail rigging. I was just effecting some repairs on the JN4; had to reattach the cabanes inside the fuse that came loose after smacking the backboard, and the rudder horn came torn off AGAIN. I am having a devil of a time strengthening that area. I am rather disappointed with E-Flite in the flimsiness of the tail feathers of this bird.

Hopefully I can fly her soon, maybe in Iowa next Saturday......

mustangpilot
01-28-2008, 03:26 AM
Thanks Kev. Have you seen where they sandwich lite ply on the rudder around the control horn? My SE5 has been upgraded with aome thin plastic. It seems to be OK for now. The fire wire fishing line works great I used it in place of the supplied thread, much tuffer. Plus is it starts to sagg just twist it up,hold one end and give it a drop or two of thin C/A.I didnt notice if the plastic on the pic shows up or not? Jim

aviatordave
01-28-2008, 03:34 AM
The plastic on the rudder is standard for the SE5, I wish the jenny had it as well instead of adding ugly ply to beef it up.

I like the flying wires on that tail, I thought it was kind of flimsy...but I kept telling myself the plane only weighs 8 ozs... I'll keep an eye on it for weakness, but the 10-15 flights I made have been good so far.

aviatordave
01-28-2008, 03:38 AM
I found one I took that shows the plastic piece. I think they listened to us about the Jenny and used this as a fix -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP0933.jpg

mustangpilot
01-28-2008, 03:54 AM
Yes Dave, you captured what I was trying to say. The rudder was the first thing to break on Dad's jenny. he fixed it twice then remade one with 6mm depron. It's held so far. Jim

aviatordave
01-28-2008, 04:18 AM
I could get some comparision video with the SE5 VS the Jenny, doing some loops and high bank turns. I still favor the SE5 for being more maneuverable

mustangpilot
01-28-2008, 12:01 PM
That would be neat, my experience on the two is like apples and oranges. Dads jenny does not have ailerons and my SE5 does. So I cant make a fair comparison really. But I would add that the SE5 seems more responsive to rudder input.and maybe a tad better on elevator as well. Jim

gfdengine204
01-28-2008, 01:04 PM
Thanks guys. I may just have to replace that rudder with depron myself sometime soon.

Saturday may get scratched, Dave.....forecast is calling for snow, and I am not hip to driving 3 hrs in that. If it changes though, who knows.....:)

scalercflyer
01-29-2008, 02:03 AM
Jim, thanks for the tip on the tail! :) The fix you made is exactly what I had in mind. :cool: I too do not like the rigging line provided in the kit. :p I do have some Kevlar fishing string (that happens to be olive green!)for the rigging. I think I'll give it a go with that. I have enjoyed the build (well mostly) so far. I have the tail glued on, the lower wing in place, the controls in, the motor in place, speed control hooked up and control runs hooked up. I didn't like the giant hole on the bottom of the fuse so I made a press fit balsa hatch with a large hole for cooling which I painted green. I came up with a nice pair of Williams Brothers WWI wheels which are slightly larger than the crappy ones in the kit. :D They do weigh a little more, but from what I understand this bird needs a little weight up front. These wheels are about 1/8th of an inch larger that the kit ones, but Boy do they look sweet! Tonight I'm going to add some balsa wood to the landing gear struts wires. Looks too sparse for me. I am also going to super detail the Lewis and add the Vickers to the fuse as well as a windshield. The reference material I am using is the Squadron Signal book SE5a in action. Now I just need to find that darn camera...... Martin

mustangpilot
01-29-2008, 03:19 AM
I'm looking forward in seeing your finished SE5. I have been looking for a set of Williams bro wheels, no luck so far. They made a set that I think was about 2 1/8th, I think. Your right about the weight,but I'm not sure if the CG is correct or not, I balanced mine as stated and it was to nose heavy, but according to my Great Planes CG machine it was spot on.But My first flight was pretty exciting to say the least. I removed the weight that I had used, but then :eek: you guest it tail heavy, but not real bad. I landed and taped a quarter to nose. TAA-DA! that was perfect. So I guess all I'm saying here is be ready to make some CG corrections. So find that camera I want to see your SE5:D take care. Jim

scalercflyer
01-29-2008, 03:26 AM
In the beginning of March, every year, I attend a GIANT flea market in Lebanon PA. :D I have been going to this event for 25 + years! :eek: This flea market has everything! :) I will look for a nice set of wheels for you (and anyone else interested) if you would like. BTW Jim, you should see those books sometime next week. Martin

mustangpilot
01-29-2008, 03:38 AM
Martin, I plan on looking very hard at Toledo this year. It just so hard to see everything, by the end of the two day trip my head will almost turn 350 degrees:D If you come across a set I'll pay you for um, even if I have a set by then. I have placed rubber bands on the tire portion of the tires with C/A, but they are as you say"crap" I C/Aed the rims just to get a few flights yesterday. But I do like the way it looks flying by, just some thing about scale planes. Even if it is foam:roll: I don't care I like it. And yes I'm looking forward to reading the books. Many thanks. Jim

scalercflyer
02-01-2008, 02:52 AM
Here's an excellent site for detailing your SE5a. You gotta love it! Martin
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Bri/RafSe5a/index.html

WWI Ace
02-01-2008, 11:46 PM
Have you guys thought about regular parkfyer wheels with index card cone wheelcovers. That's what I did on my little tripe. Steve

scalercflyer
02-03-2008, 01:27 AM
Well Boys the build continues. :) I have the wings measured and mounted. I added some balsa wood to the LG and installed the Williams Brothers wheels. Boy do they look sweet! :D I have to scrounge up some oak stain to put on the balsa LG struts. Might use tea bags though. Another thing that was holding me up was waiting for my BERGs, which finally arrived. After hooking up the elevator I find it has WAY TOO MUCH throw. :eek: I need to cut it down to about half of what I have. The BERG RX is not on my FUTABA computer radio's 44 channel, so I can't dial in what I need. My trusty 4 CH Futaba will have to do. I also need to get a connector for my LIPOL now. It's coming close to completion. :D I promise to give you some pics. Also what do you Guys think of Kevlar fishing string for the rigging? :confused: It happens to already be green. Think it will look OK? :confused: How did you Guys like that website on the SE5a? Jim, I noticed your tail rigging was awful close to the original. ;) I plan to also rig the tail and put as much detail in as I can. I'm not too worried about drag since this plane is never going to fly fast. The motor I have has enough power to handle this. Martin

mustangpilot
02-03-2008, 03:31 AM
Hi Martin, I found a set of Williams bros wheels, your right they look great. I'll post the pictures tomorrow! I made a bushing out of a short piece of copper, then used a piece of air line tubing to keep the wheels on. They are a vast improvement over the egg shell stock wheels. Martin that Web site is unreal, what a find! Jim

mustangpilot
02-03-2008, 06:10 PM
OK guys and gal's,:silly: Here are a few shots of my SE5 with the Williams Brothers wheels, man what a huge up grade. You wont have to worry about these breaking apart, or if they do you just might have a little no damage than just the wheels:D:D. I have not flown her with these on but I do believe I should be able to remove some nose weight, but I'm going to fly it once and double check. Jim

simibill
02-03-2008, 08:50 PM
I sure like those Williams Brothers wheels. Do you have a part number?
As an aside; How do you get the o-ring prop saver on? This has become the hardest part of assembling my S.E.5a

gfdengine204
02-03-2008, 09:30 PM
Jim,

Sure does look nice! Very impressive!

mustangpilot
02-04-2008, 12:04 AM
Thanks Kev, Now that I've up graded the wheels, I think shes done. Sorry Simibill, I don't have a part number. If I'm not mistaken they are discontinued? But if you look around "IE"older Hobbie shops, swap meets, or E-bay. but the last set on E-bay sold for something like twenty dollars, way to expensive IMHO!:D We just happen to have a hobby shop here in town that gets scatch N dent items from Tower. They put together tubs full of mufflers,wheels,and misc parts. I was lucky and found a pair of them. Jim

scalercflyer
02-04-2008, 12:22 AM
Yeah, Jim I had mine for a long time. The flea market I attend in March should have some. I'll be looking out for more! Martin

aviatordave
02-04-2008, 10:47 PM
As an aside; How do you get the o-ring prop saver on? This has become the hardest part of assembling my S.E.5a

You can unscrew the prop hub and assemble the prop and o ring on the bench. Then slide the hub back on and tighten the screws. Thats what I do so I dont wreck the cowl.

gfdengine204
02-04-2008, 10:59 PM
You can unscrew the prop hub and assemble the prop and o ring on the bench. Then slide the hub back on and tighten the screws. Thats what I do so I dont wreck the cowl.
What a pansy....be a man! Risk damage! Live dangerously!

I often do the same thing......:p

aviatordave
02-04-2008, 11:02 PM
I actually broke one of the wheels yesterday. A slow stick dive bombed me (flown by a guy who prob shouldnt even have a drivers license). I had to duck and move to avoid the prop of the SS, I was getting ready to land and nosed the SE5 in, cracked the wheel. I'll need to replace these with real wheels now, and on the Jenny as well.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/aviatordave1967/IMGP1054Small.jpg

scalercflyer
02-04-2008, 11:48 PM
Here's the answer to all of your WWI wheel needs. Check this out Guys. Martin
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115507&highlight=spoke+wheels
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81551&highlight=vintage+wheels

wecky
02-13-2008, 08:43 PM
I have it all together,except the rigging.Problem is motor cuts out and e-flite 10 amp esc shuts motor down.tried 2 different receivers and diff.types of batteries.Rudder and elevator works fine.Berg 4 ch.recievers.Anyone know whats wrong?Thanks.

aviatordave
02-13-2008, 08:58 PM
What battery are you using?

What motor are you using?

wecky
02-13-2008, 11:02 PM
E-Flite Park 250,Li Polys, 450s,800s etc.

degreen60
02-14-2008, 12:33 AM
I have it all together,except the rigging.Problem is motor cuts out and e-flite 10 amp esc shuts motor down.tried 2 different receivers and diff.types of batteries.Rudder and elevator works fine.Berg 4 ch.recievers.Anyone know whats wrong?Thanks.

Make sure you have the ESC programed correctly. I had the same problem with one of my ESC till I found out the programing instructions that came with it were for an earlyer model. I got the updated program instruction off the net and changed the battery type to the correct setting. No more problems.

larry63
02-17-2008, 08:25 PM
Okay guys, what's the secret to making one of these things fly half way decent? Mine was very hard to turn and my opinion does not have enough dihedral. Took the entire rudder throw I could get and still did not want to turn. Any ideas?

mustangpilot
02-18-2008, 02:53 AM
Yep add ailerons;-) Not sure, almost every E flight bipe I've flown would turn pretty easy? Are you sure your push rod isn't bending or your rudder is not hard to move? I know this sound obvious but just checking. Jim

larry63
02-18-2008, 02:50 PM
Yep add ailerons;-) Not sure, almost every E flight bipe I've flown would turn pretty easy? Are you sure your push rod isn't bending or your rudder is not hard to move? I know this sound obvious but just checking. Jim

Thanks Jim for the suggestions but those are working like they should. I now wonder if I have inadvertently pulled out some of the built in dihedral with my tensioner wires. Will try to pull in more dihedral and see what happens.
Thanks again,
Larry

jecchile
02-18-2008, 10:21 PM
Was at the LHS today and saw one in stock - just had to get it - could not get the "Park 250" outrunner motor since it was "Out of Stock" but it'll be in soon...

Anyway, I have a question from you guys who are experienced... will this airplane fly outside or is it strictly for indoors?... in order to fly outside, should I consider a larger motor?... plan to run LiPos 7.4 - 850mah that I have with my CX2 helicopter.

Thanks...

mustangpilot
02-19-2008, 02:43 AM
Hello jecchile, she will fly outside, just make sure the wind in under six mph. The plane in very light and will be blown around some what. I have flown mine outside a few times. She does OK in light winds. Mainly an indoor plane. Just use common since. Jim

jecchile
02-19-2008, 05:04 AM
Thanks "Mustangpilot" - I will give it a shot outside for its maiden flight since the gym where we fly indoors may be just a bit tight... once I know how it behaves, I will have no problems going indoors.

One thing is for sure - the S.E.5a is one good looking airplane.

jecchile
02-22-2008, 10:02 PM
HI!... I need some help

I have the Park 250 Outrunner motor and the 10 Amp ESC that is listed in the kit... anyway, I have all the parts to start building but I can not figure out how to "Silicone" the motor to the "motor tube"... also, is "RTV Silicone" the same as any other silicone used in household matters?... I don't want to screw-up in the beginning so please, those who have already built the model, give me your opinions... THANKS.

aviatordave
02-22-2008, 10:53 PM
I didnt use that motor but didnt have any luck with the silicone. I went to walmart and used 'SUMO' glue.

You can put the motor in at any stage of assembly, its pretty easy. The instruction book just does it first.

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=327512&postcount=46

jecchile
02-22-2008, 11:04 PM
I didnt use that motor but didnt have any luck with the silicone. I went to walmart and used 'SUMO' glue.

You can put the motor in at any stage of assembly, its pretty easy. The instruction book just does it first.

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=327512&postcount=46

THANKS... I may have to go to WalMart also and get some SUMO glue... I hope mine comes out as nice as yours... you did a great job.

BTW, which is better, the S.E.5a or the Jenny?

Good flying...

larry63
02-23-2008, 01:15 AM
Worked out some initial bugs and had a great flight this evening. I used one of the cheap motors from hobby city and it was plenty of power for $11 whereas the cost of the Eflite 250 motor is $45. (1/4 the cost). Another plus is that it has a real motor mount instead of that glued in tube the 250 uses.

When assembling my Jenny I tried using the silicone glue on the Eflite 250 motor and finally after three tries found a glue that would hold the motor in so I didn't want to go through that again with the SE-5a. Another thing I didn't like on the Eflite 250 motor was the prop saver. It was so hard to mount a prop and get the bands secured. Don't have that problem with the Hobby City motor. Very easy to mount and secure. Motor I used on the SE-5a
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6311

scalercflyer
02-23-2008, 02:30 AM
You gotta love Hobby City's prices! Great merchandise too! BTW, they will have a warehouse in the USA soon! See their site for more info. Martin

jecchile
02-23-2008, 02:30 AM
Worked out some initial bugs and had a great flight this evening. I used one of the cheap motors from hobby city and it was plenty of power for $11 whereas the cost of the Eflite 250 motor is $45. (1/4 the cost). Another plus is that it has a real motor mount instead of that glued in tube the 250 uses.

When assembling my Jenny I tried using the silicone glue on the Eflite 250 motor and finally after three tries found a glue that would hold the motor in so I didn't want to go through that again with the SE-5a. Another thing I didn't like on the Eflite 250 motor was the prop saver. It was so hard to mount a prop and get the bands secured. Don't have that problem with the Hobby City motor. Very easy to mount and secure. Motor I used on the SE-5a
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6311

LARRY, WHICH GLUE DID YOU END UP USING?... "AVIATORDAVE" USED SOMETHING CALLED "SUMO GLUE" FROM LOCTITE... I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE MOTOR MOUNTING THEY RECOMMEND IN THE INSTRUCTIONS - THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY.
THANKS...

larry63
02-23-2008, 02:35 AM
LARRY, WHICH GLUE DID YOU END UP USING?... "AVIATORDAVE" USED SOMETHING CALLED "SUMO GLUE" FROM LOCTITE... I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE MOTOR MOUNTING THEY RECOMMEND IN THE INSTRUCTIONS - THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY.
THANKS...
I don't remember now since I tried so many different ones. Sumo expands so you have to be careful that it doesn't get on the rotating shaft and mess things up. I tried epoxy, silicone and CA. I think CA is the one that finally stuck.
Anyway, get the Hobby City motor for $11 and you don't have to worry with the glue problem. It comes with a very nice motor mount and I bought a separate prop saver that is easy to work with for a few dollars more

aviatordave
02-23-2008, 02:58 AM
BTW, which is better, the S.E.5a or the Jenny?

Good flying...

I like the SE5a more. It is easier to turn and yanks and banks with authority. The Jenny kind of mushes into turns.

jecchile
02-23-2008, 03:44 AM
Anyway, get the Hobby City motor for $11 and you don't have to worry with the glue problem. It comes with a very nice motor mount and I bought a separate prop saver that is easy to work with for a few dollars more

Well, I already got the E-Flite 250 so I will use it since it cost $45... it does come with a motor mount but I don't know yet if it would allow me to get the spacing I would need... I live in a town home and my space is limited so I can't have a workshop with all the tools I'd need to make something out of wood... sure do miss my house now that I started back into this hobby.

I think I am going to go with the SUMO glue like "Aviatordave" did - he seems to have been successful with it... actually, the fact that it expands a bit may be good since the tube fits on the motor a bit lose... I plant to put a piece of plastic or wax paper between the motor and the tube to block anything from entering the motor coils.

How long does it take to get things from Hobby City?... how are the shipping charges from Hong Kong?... I had thought about ordering some stuff from them but changed my mind...

Thanks for the help, I sure need it since I am just getting back into the hobby and it sure has changed from years past... I never built a "foam" airplane before.

jecchile
02-23-2008, 03:47 AM
I like the SE5a more. It is easier to turn and yanks and banks with authority. The Jenny kind of mushes into turns.

Thanks... Good to know since my "thumbs" are a bit rusty from being away from flying for some years... I have been practicing some with my Cessna 210 which is fun but a bit small...

Thanks for all your help.

larry63
02-23-2008, 01:03 PM
I like the SE5a more. It is easier to turn and yanks and banks with authority. The Jenny kind of mushes into turns.

I find that true also.

One thing that gave me trouble with the SE-5a was the center cabane struts through the wing incidence way off and I didn't notice that until after my first flight. After working thru that problem, adjusting the struts length to get the incidence right, she now flys great. One thing I am not thrilled with is the lack of a hinge point at the lowest point on the rudder at the control horn. That causes a lot of distorted movement of the rudder. An easy fix is a hinge at that point but I haven't taken the time to do that yet.
Keep them flying guys,

degreen60
02-23-2008, 02:56 PM
How long does it take to get things from Hobby City?... how are the shipping charges from Hong Kong?... I had thought about ordering some stuff from them but changed my mind...

Thanks for the help, I sure need it since I am just getting back into the hobby and it sure has changed from years past... I never built a "foam" airplane before.

I have no trouble ordering from Hobby City. Just make sure what you order is in stock. Back orders can take months to receive and I mean months. I made the mistake of ordering something that wasn't in stock last Aug. It is still on back order. I am just glad I was not in a hurry for that order. I ordered thier AX-1806N for $8.25 and installed in my Jenny but have not flew it yet. http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5431. I think next time I would try this AX-2306N. It cost less, has lower KV, longer threaded shaft. http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5427

degreen60
02-23-2008, 03:22 PM
I just flew the Jenny with the AX-1806N brushless motor with 7X6 prop. I hand launched and it climbed like a homesick angel. Flys nice on half throtle. I think the AX2306N would probably work too. This setup should be good in the SE5a too. Wind came up a little but I had no trouble flying in it. Temp about 27f everything covered with ice.

jecchile
02-23-2008, 11:06 PM
Back orders can take months to receive and I mean months. I made the mistake of ordering something that wasn't in stock last Aug. It is still on back order.

Won't they let you cancel the order in case of a "Back Order" that takes too long?...
When do they charge your credit card, at time of shipment or when they receive the order?... if they do it when you order, I guess you are screwed if they back order an item...

They sure do have great prices though... BUT, sometimes you get what you pay for, if you know what I mean.

degreen60
02-24-2008, 12:07 AM
Won't they let you cancel the order in case of a "Back Order" that takes too long?...
When do they charge your credit card, at time of shipment or when they receive the order?... if they do it when you order, I guess you are screwed if they back order an item...

They sure do have great prices though... BUT, sometimes you get what you pay for, if you know what I mean.

I have had no problems with what I have bought from them. I paid with paypal so I could probably get my money back at anytime. UH has all my order together except for a $2 item. I am in no hurry so I will wait. They do have an adj line on the order but I never tried it. I now just make sure the item is in stock before I order it.

jecchile
02-24-2008, 04:19 AM
I have had no problems with what I have bought from them.

That is good to know... I may have to order some stuff from them. They do have "Combo" sets which come with the BESC , the motor and even the prop. This is perfect for "dummies" like me who are just starting with electrics and don't know exactly what to order.

I tested my E-Flite motor and ESC tonight and after reprogramming it, it did just fine... I was kind of concerned since the motor would start and quit almost immediately until I found that it came programmed for 3S LiPo and I was using a 2S LiPo so I guess it thought that the voltage was too low... anyway, it works now so I can start building my S.E.5a... I just need to figure a better way to mount the motor and at the same time keep it light. I may end up just gluing it to the carbon tube but then, if I ever want to use that motor for something else it would be a mess.
Happy Flying...

aviatordave
02-24-2008, 06:34 AM
nah. Nothing is permanent. If you need glue off of hard surfaces an exacto knife does wonders.

degreen60
02-24-2008, 10:52 PM
My landings are proof that glue is not permanent.

aviatordave
02-25-2008, 04:32 AM
My landings are proof that glue is not permanent.

LOL....I can relate to that statement!

jecchile
02-26-2008, 10:56 PM
Well, today it was raining here so I used the day to build my S.E.5a... it looks good but I am not very happy with my work... somehow, even though I carved the slot where the stab goes in the fuselage, to correct a slight misalignment, when I glued it together it came out a bit crooked anyway... the stab is paralled to the wings but the fin is a bit off to the left... Oh well, I guess I will have to correct with the rudder... then again, it may fly like a dream - who knows.

I did build it with a special motor mount that I made instead of gluing the tube to the motor... now, if I want, I can take the motor out to use in another airplane... the tube is still there but there is a piece of ply glued to it and then the mount onto this ply... perhaps it will add a bit of weight but I don't think it will affect it much - we'll see...

Here she is: :tc:

aviatordave
02-27-2008, 03:38 AM
looks good. I dont think you will mind the extra weight as I ended up putting some weights taped to the 500 mah lipos I use. A bigger or heavier lipo will work so long as it fits.

jecchile
02-27-2008, 05:07 AM
looks good. I dont think you will mind the extra weight as I ended up putting some weights taped to the 500 mah lipos I use. A bigger or heavier lipo will work so long as it fits.

Thanks... I will be using 850mah packs that I use with my Blade CX2... actually, tomorrow I will go to my LHS to see if they have any E-Flite S60 servos and a DSM2 receiver (6100e) to finish the electronics. The motor and ESC are installed already but my Hitec HS81 servos are a little too big and so is the Mini 6S Hitec receiver I have available... if they do not have them in stock, I think I will take my Blade CX2 apart and use those servos and receiver... that Heli is so easy to fly that it is getting boring so I must as well use the parts... After all the money I spent on the chopper though, since I did a lot of upgrades, I kind of feel bad to just cannibalize it.

aviatordave
02-27-2008, 02:37 PM
you can get 8 gram servos pretty cheap here ($3.66 ea) from Hong Kong

http://www.r2hobbies.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcps81113

or this guy from Wisconsin has 5 servos for $25 - 8 gram

http://64.33.154.92/blackdogrc/servos.jsp?c=16645454

Or this guy has 8 gram servos for $5 individually, free shipping for $10 and over. I've bought from them before, they ship fast (in the US)

http://www.dollarrcparts.com/8-g-serv.html

degreen60
02-27-2008, 03:08 PM
You can get servo for under $4 here too. Just make sure they are in stock before you order them. http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=84&curPage=4&v=&sortlist=

jecchile
02-27-2008, 10:02 PM
you can get 8 gram servos pretty cheap here ($3.66 ea) from Hong Kong

THANKS GUYS... I do need to have the S.E.5a airborne soon so I won't be able to order... I went to the LHS today and they did not have what I need so I will just use the servos and receiver from my CX2... anyway, I think I want to get a chopper that is more like a chopper - perhaps the Blade 400 will do. If my wife treats me right for my birthday, which is coming soon, I may just buy it.

HAPPY FLYING...

UPDATE: She is ready for its maiden flight and it has a DSM2 system installed - no frequency pins to worry about - I used the Tx, Rx and servos that came with my Blade CX2 and she works great... only problem was that one of the servos had a mounting tab broken off (because of the way it mounts in the heli) so I just CA them to the fuselage. The balance came pretty close with the battery installed... may have to add some weight to the nose after we check how it performs.

jecchile
02-29-2008, 01:36 AM
Well, it flew great... landing was a different story, the wheels are not very sturdy and broke on a not very hard landing... also, I did not do the rigging and the wings looked like they were flapping when doing a loop... now that I read the rigging part of the manual, it says that IT IS REQUIRED... oh well, at least the wings didn't break...

I put some foam wheels now - they do not look as good as the ones from the kit but they will do a better job of staying in one piece...

All in all, a really nice airplane. I hope that they continue with this series and produce more WW-I scale airplanes.

wilky
02-29-2008, 01:59 AM
Well, it flew great... landing was a different story,

All in all, a really nice airplane. I hope that they continue with this series and produce more WW-I scale airplanes.

Congrats on the maiden. How exactly did the wheels Break. got any pics of the carnage?

mustangpilot
02-29-2008, 03:27 PM
Yep, those wheels are junk! I recommend them being tossed before you even put them on. They could break with a hard stair!:{ The Williams Bros are your best bet but they can be hard to get, they have been out of production for sometime now. They are a little heaver but mine needed a little nose weight anyway.

jecchile
02-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Congrats on the maiden. How exactly did the wheels Break. got any pics of the carnage?

No, I didn't have my camera... anyway, the wheels were not that bad but they were broken... one at the seam which came apart and the other had some pieces missing but could still roll... anyway, I change them to foam and should not have any more problems...

jecchile
02-29-2008, 10:43 PM
Yep, those wheels are junk!

I did get some foam wheels, they look OK but the main thing is their functionality... they roll great and are nice and soft for landing on the basketball courts where we fly indoors.

HAPPY FLYING...

drummrboy
03-02-2008, 11:02 PM
maidened mine last wed. indoors.It flew great in the hands of my expert friend. He programmed the rudder into the left stick as well as the right so that it can be steered like a four channel on the ground; less confusing if you are used to four channel control. He also mixed in some down elevator with the throttle, so that it does not pitch up when full throttle is applied . Gotta love those computer radios ( Futaba 6EX 2.4 Ghz. ) Too bad i couldn't fly quite so well. I turned too sharply and tip stalled it. Minor damage but the wheels are toast. Seems to be a common problem.
I mounted the park 250 in the carbon tube with a layer of masking tape around the motor barrel. Fits nice and snug with no need for glue.( so far ).

scalercflyer
03-09-2008, 05:48 PM
Well Gang, I finally got around to finishing my connections for the speed control. I bought a 6 X 5 prop (recommended) and tried it on the plane. It was terrible! :eek: No pull at all! I switched to a 7 X 5 prop and what a difference! :cool::D I think it's because of the increased area of the blade (bear in mind this testing is being done in the shop). Now I can wrap up the controls and finish the build. :D I think she will be a winner. Just need some good flying weather weather. Still can't find that darn camera... :mad: Martin

jecchile
03-12-2008, 02:17 AM
I bought a 6 X 5 prop (recommended) and tried it on the plane. It was terrible! :eek: No pull at all! I switched to a 7 X 5 prop and what a difference!

Mine flies with a 6x5 and it is plenty fast and will do a loop with no effort... I have also flown it outside with no problems... I'd be interested to know what happens when you fly it with a 7x5... Thanks...

mustangpilot
03-12-2008, 03:47 AM
I'll say ditto to that, I would think that with a 7X5, you would have a higher amp draw and lower flight times? ????Just my two cents worth. Jim

degreen60
03-12-2008, 03:48 PM
I'll say ditto to that, I would think that with a 7X5, you would have a higher amp draw and lower flight times? ????Just my two cents worth. Jim

I have an Eflite Jenny which I beleive is amost the same as the SE5a. I had an AX-1806N 2100kv brushless motor in it. With 7x6 prop it pulled 7 amps. Would do what looked to about a 6 foot loop from level flight on 2C lipo. I changed to an AX-2306N 1300kv brushless motor with a 7x6 prop. Now pulls 4 amps and will still loop from lever flight. It will fly in light wind without problems. The cost of the AX-1806 was less than $9 plus shipping. I bought 2 of the AX-2306Ns for $16.99 including shipping.

aviatordave
03-12-2008, 05:26 PM
can you link that motor here for the shy people? :)

that is an outstanding deal considering eflite wants you to use their 50 dollar motor.

degreen60
03-12-2008, 06:21 PM
can you link that motor here for the shy people? :)

that is an outstanding deal considering eflite wants you to use their 50 dollar motor.

Here is the link. The picture shows a stick mount but mine came with firewall mount. I removed all the extra wood back to the first firewall and mounted my motor on it. I always make sure what I order is in stock. I placed one order and one item was not in stock. I finally cancled that item then they shipped me the rest of the order. I have had good luck with everything I have got from them. Shipping has always been less than 2 weeks.

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5427

I have found other places that I order from, one has lipo for less than $8 and a blanced charger for less than $9 with free shipping. I have ordered from them. Another place has micro servos for $3 and receiver for $4.50, they charge extra for shipping. I have not ordered from this place yet but plan on getting some servos and maybe a receiver. If anyone wants the URLs I will post them too.

JohnBlankenship
03-16-2008, 03:52 PM
I mounted the Park 250 Outrunner motor to the carbon tube as recommended. I used Permatex Clear RTV Adhesive Sealant. The first time I ran the motor it came loose from the carbon tube. I used adhesive sparingly to avoid pushing excess into the motor bearing. This is not a good way to mount the motor, in my opinion.

I will remount the motor using a spacer and the alternate radial mount.

John

mustangpilot
03-16-2008, 03:54 PM
Thanks Degreen, Ya go ahead and post your findings for us please. I'm going to try one of those motors next time! what a huge cost savings. I like the sound of eight dollar li-polys:ws: I would think everyone would ? Jim

degreen60
03-16-2008, 05:05 PM
Thanks Degreen, Ya go ahead and post your findings for us please. I'm going to try one of those motors next time! what a huge cost savings. I like the sound of eight dollar li-polys:ws: I would think everyone would ? Jim

Here are some URLs to try. Only thing I have ordered is the Lipo charger and it works great.

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7621
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8798
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10783

This one I plan on ordering a receiver, some servos, and props.

http://www.bidproduct.com/part/Product_list_TRANSMITTER%20RECEIVER%20CRYSTAL_2.ht ml

If you use one of these let me know how you like them. If you have trouble I will take them off my list.

scalercflyer
03-17-2008, 03:03 AM
Gang, I have been using Castle Creations BERG RXs with great success. These RXs lock onto the signature your Tx sends out and ignores all others. I have found these to be rock solid and have not had any hits to date. As a matter of fact, I have flown these RXs indoors with no problems. They can be purchased for as little as $24.00 on e-bay. You will need the proper crystal for your channel. I won't even bother to buy an "off brand" RX. Seems they have too many problems (especially the single conversion Rxs cheapies). The price difference is small for the quality you receive. BTW, they are very small and light. I'm sticking with them from here on out. Any of you Guys use them? martinhttp://www.castlecreations.com/images/product-berg_ms4.jpg

scalercflyer
03-17-2008, 03:06 AM
Hey degreen did you modify or change the landing gear on your Camel? the one that comes with it is junk. Before I fly mine for the season, I'm going to replace it. Your thoughts please. Martin

aviatordave
03-19-2008, 12:59 AM
SE5a crash report (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376330&postcount=213)

Has anyone else been doing loops with no problems?

I have yet to be able to fly outside.

scalercflyer
03-19-2008, 01:50 AM
Looks like I'm gonna reinforce the wing with some packing tape skunkworks! What a bummer! Seems like a little goodwill from the e-flite/Horizon people is in order here. Especially since you reported it. They probably have a design fault here. The least they could do is send you some new wings. Maybe we should collectively "talk" to them about this product. Nobody likes negative press. I wonder if they read this thread? Anybody have their contact info? I have no problems calling them. Anyone else game? martin

degreen60
03-19-2008, 02:12 AM
Hey degreen did you modify or change the landing gear on your Camel? the one that comes with it is junk. Before I fly mine for the season, I'm going to replace it. Your thoughts please. Martin

I did not even install that thing that wattage called a landing gear. I read on the post that it will come off on about evey landing. I build a plywood base that holds the wing on and have bamboo skewers attach for the landing gear. If you want I will post pictures or pm me with your email address and instead of posting I will email them to you.

mustangpilot
03-19-2008, 02:20 AM
I have flown mine outside about three or four times now, I have done loops with no such trouble. But... I didn't use the string that came with my plane. I always use spider wire fishing line. No stretch at all, plus I added a drop of C/A at every hole that the line would pass threw. my wing will flex yes but a very very small amount. this may or may not be the problem, I cant say with out being there, but if I had to guess??? it would be that the string used may have gave just enough to cause it?? But I'm sorry to see you loose your plane what ever may have caused it. :sad: Jim

degreen60
03-19-2008, 02:21 AM
SE5a crash report (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376330&postcount=213)

Has anyone else been doing loops with no problems?

I have yet to be able to fly outside.

I have the eflite Jenny which I believe is about the same as the SE5a. I have an AX-2306N 1300kv installed with 2C lipo. I only fly outdoors. I was supprised how well it flys in the wind. I can do about a 6 foot loop from level flight. I found out it is easy to fly upside down. This is the first plane I have ever flown upside down. I am still learning, only been flying 1 1/2 years, but I can kind of keep it going upside now for a while. When I get too low I don't have to worry about crashing cause it always snaps right over in a loop. My next thing to learn is how to roll with rudder elevators only.

scalercflyer
03-20-2008, 01:17 AM
Well Boys, I called Horizon today about skunks' wing collapse. I got the same answer as he did. When I spoke to Chris in product support, he said " we have thousands of these kits out there. I have only received 1 call about a wing failure (I think It was skunkworks call). We have not had any other failures to date". He did say they requested the plane to be sent in. I told him about our thread and he said he was not familiar with it! Imagine, he was not aware of either WATTFLYER or EZone! I thought these people must have their head in the sand! He also claimed that using packing tape will "not be helpful or do anything other than add weight". He did say the flying wires were critical. He also stated that he thinks the plane had too much speed coming out of the loop and that the elevator was yanked too hard. I left the call with a feeling of disappointment and no real straight talk or answers. The least they should have done was send skunks another kit. I would have if I were in the position they are. It would be cheap customer satisfaction/goodwill to do so. Makes you think that maybe they only care about making money. Comments everyone. martin

FlyingMonkey
03-20-2008, 01:26 AM
In their defense, I imagine they get lots of calls from people who don't know how to fly, and try to blame it on the plane when it crashes.

aviatordave
03-20-2008, 01:44 AM
In their defense, I imagine they get lots of calls from people who don't know how to fly, and try to blame it on the plane when it crashes.

Speaking from experience Wilbur?

FlyingMonkey
03-20-2008, 02:16 AM
yes, but from the retailer's side.

jecchile
03-20-2008, 02:49 AM
What a bummer! Seems like a little goodwill from the e-flite/Horizon people is in order here.

Sorry about your SE5a...

I have looped mine but only indoors and the wing flex, even with the rigging installed, is scary... I don't do loops anymore because the plane is too nice and flies too good to tear it apart doing stunts... in the gym we do not have the space required to do a nice, wide and easy loop... they have to be tight and fast and that is asking for trouble with this airplane.

Actually, Horizon has a pretty decent "Customer Support". I have read various instances where they went out of their way to help when it was a "Factory Defect" or product failure...

My personal experience - I purchased a T-28 that came with 3 servos that didn't operate - I had 3 replacement servos in the mail in about a week after I called them to let them know about it. I didn't even had to send the bad ones to them.

scalercflyer
03-20-2008, 02:54 AM
Somebody just got smacked!:eek::eek:

scalercflyer
03-20-2008, 02:57 AM
I'm still gonna tape my wings and add fishing line (not the string they give you in the kit). Martin

FlyingMonkey
03-20-2008, 03:07 AM
I would run one of the thin flat strips of CF across the "spar" of the wings

mustangpilot
03-20-2008, 11:58 AM
Yep, that would work also. I do not have CF on mine but I have used it on others. I'm not so sure that a strip or two of packing tape "the one with fiberglass" wouldn't do the trick if you do not have any carbon. I have also had pretty decent results with Horizons customer service, but I'm in a town next to them.:tc: I just walk in and ask for a tech. Sorry. :D Jim

jimh
03-20-2008, 02:58 PM
SE5a crash report (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376330&postcount=213)

Has anyone else been doing loops with no problems?

I have yet to be able to fly outside.

Dave, if you had made it to the unidome in feb. you could have seen my se5 fold it's wings coming out of a loop. Pretty much destroyed the plane.
Next one I build will have carbon fiber on the lower wing.

gfdengine204
03-20-2008, 03:26 PM
Yep, that would work also. I do not have CF on mine but I have used it on others. I'm not so sure that a strip or two of packing tape "the one with fiberglass" wouldn't do the trick if you do not have any carbon. I have also had pretty decent results with Horizons customer service, but I'm in a town next to them.:tc: I just walk in and ask for a tech. Sorry. :D Jim

Now I know who to contact when I need someone to walk over to Horizon for me. ;)

Thanks, Jim!

mustangpilot
03-20-2008, 10:24 PM
Hey, No problem Kevin! :D:D Jim

aviatordave
03-21-2008, 05:06 AM
Dave, if you had made it to the unidome in feb. you could have seen my se5 fold it's wings coming out of a loop. Pretty much destroyed the plane.
Next one I build will have carbon fiber on the lower wing.

Hey man!

I didnt make it up to the unidome. I'll be at the Cellular Center this weekend though.

Sorry to hear about your plane -

jimh
03-21-2008, 01:17 PM
Hey man!

I didnt make it up to the unidome. I'll be at the Cellular Center this weekend though.

Sorry to hear about your plane -

My Jenny is still flying, I will be bringing it with me on Saturday.

FlyingMonkey
03-21-2008, 09:30 PM
I saw the SE5 at the hobbytown in Tallahassee, I came darn close to picking it up.

scalercflyer
03-21-2008, 10:56 PM
Go for it Flying Monkey! It's a nice kit and easy to build. I'm thankful for the Guys here and their advice. I do think that wing strengthening is in order per the comments made before now. I plan to beef mine up before the flying season. Besides, It looks so cool. Martin

scalercflyer
03-21-2008, 11:53 PM
Don't know if I posted this before. Enjoy everyone! Martin
http://storage.mfa.free.fr/SE5Auk.html

dai phan
03-24-2008, 05:18 PM
Hi all,

I find that using JB Weld is a definitive way to cement the motor to the tube. I did that and the motor hasn't come off since. DP

gfdengine204
04-10-2008, 03:41 AM
Guess what my wife brought home for me today, complete with an E-Flite Park 250?? :D

Guess I need to brush up on this thread before I break it outta the box. ;)

PerlAddict
04-10-2008, 04:01 AM
Hmmm ... think the S.E.5a or Jenny could fly in the SEFF big Guinness event? Seems like they'd be slow enough and light enough ... just seems like a gamble with the wind (though I suppose about any 20oz. slow flyer plane is a bit of a gamble).

And Kev, you stink. :p

gfdengine204
04-10-2008, 02:52 PM
Hmmm ... think the S.E.5a or Jenny could fly in the SEFF big Guinness event? Seems like they'd be slow enough and light enough ... just seems like a gamble with the wind (though I suppose about any 20oz. slow flyer plane is a bit of a gamble).

And Kev, you stink. :p

True, Dave.....but I can accept that if it keeps me flying! :Q

Voyager2lcats
04-10-2008, 05:41 PM
Time to add a picture to your photogallery.:) LOL!

Bob
Kev's official photo Nazi

Guess what my wife brought home for me today, complete with an E-Flite Park 250?? :D

Guess I need to brush up on this thread before I break it outta the box. ;)

gfdengine204
04-10-2008, 06:54 PM
Time to add a picture to your photogallery.:) LOL!

Bob
Kev's official photo Nazi

As soon as I get her built, I will do so, Bob. First I need to finish the throws on my P-47, then build my Zero, then the SE5a. I just don't have enough hours in the day, it seems.....;)

PerlAddict
04-10-2008, 08:30 PM
Well, I went to HobbyTown over lunch and walked out with an E-Flite Jenny, and an E-Flite S.E.5a on order that should be here next week. Here's to barnstorming in the equipment yard out back. :D

I'm going to use the "Blue Wonder" motor and 10A ESC combo from www.lazertoyz.com (http://www.lazertoyz.com) on both of these (and probably pick up some lipos from them, as well - they've got prices that are only a couple of dollars more than HobbyCity on several of their packs).

aviatordave
04-10-2008, 09:30 PM
I guy I flew with this winter used that motor on both, works well and fits nicely.

PerlAddict
04-10-2008, 10:50 PM
I'm looking forward to trying it out. That site had a few nice little finds ... don't see many folks selling Loong Max packs in the states (if anyone knows of some more sources, please share!). I ended up buying four 900mah 2S1P 20C lipos for $13 each (couldn't make out the brand). Just back-up fly time and a little insurance in case my HobbyCity order doesn't make it here before SEFF.

One guy I talked to said with that motor, a 3S 740mah pack, and a 9x3.8SF, he was pulling just under 7A for 18oz. of thrust and 90W with an AUW of 12.5oz. I'm shooting for an AUW of under 10oz., and 12oz. of thrust at 6A on a 9x4.7 prop with the 2S batteries for the time being.

dai phan
04-28-2008, 07:22 PM
Hi all,

I maidened it this weekend and I need some expert help ...

1. The 6x5 prop seems underpowered. It is me or would you recommend a different one?

2. The plane needs a little more noseweight since at the recommended CG location, the plane still tend to ballooning up and down a bit.

3. The plane is a little bit harder to fly than the Jenny.

Thanks for all your comments. DP

jecchile
05-01-2008, 02:32 AM
Hi all,

I maidened it this weekend and I need some expert help ...

1. The 6x5 prop seems underpowered. It is me or would you recommend a different one?

2. The plane needs a little more noseweight since at the recommended CG location, the plane still tend to ballooning up and down a bit.

3. The plane is a little bit harder to fly than the Jenny.

Thanks for all your comments. DP

I flew mine with a 6x5 prop all through its life and it did fine...
I did have to add some weight in the nose - tended to balloon without it...
Most people I talked to think that the SE5a is better in the air than the Jenny... the Jenny tend to be slow on the rudder... I guess the only way to tell is to fly both and make your own decision.
Have fun...

aviatordave
05-01-2008, 03:54 AM
Hi all,

I maidened it this weekend and I need some expert help ...

1. The 6x5 prop seems underpowered. It is me or would you recommend a different one?

2. The plane needs a little more noseweight since at the recommended CG location, the plane still tend to ballooning up and down a bit.

3. The plane is a little bit harder to fly than the Jenny.

Thanks for all your comments. DP

Which motor did you use?

I had to add weight to my battery to balance, I think most had to add weight to the front.

PerlAddict
05-01-2008, 05:21 AM
I maidened my S.E.5a in the back parking lot (pretty small area) this week. I made the mistake of flying it on a 2-cell instead of the 3-cell I'd balanced it with. It balanced perfectly with the 3S 900mah 20C battery I had, so needless to say, it was tail heavy with the 2S 900mah 20C pack. I couldn't figure out why it was so squirrely until I realized later that I'd used the smaller battery. Still had a ton of get up and go! Shot right up, and flew nicely when it wasn't spinning around on its tail.

First landing I thought I was going to smack the forklift behind me, but once I cut the motor, it glided fast for a second more and then just slowed to a crawl and floated in. Still flipped it on, but no damage. Second landing came in too fast and I couldn't turn very well as I cut the motor right before landing, so I ended up skidding around on my wingtip. But still no damage.

Really looking forward to flying it at SEFF now with more room to breath!

Dad went to maiden his Jenny today, but the vertical stab failed just a few seconds after take-off. 3-1/2 spins down into the ground (glad I convinced him it would ROG off the grass and he didn't need to fly over asphalt), but thankfully he kept a lot of up elevator and it didn't nose in. Hit and cartwheeled - no damage (aside from the vertical stab).

Epoxied two triangle balsa pieces along each side of the vertical stab, so that ought to hold it a lot better. Thinking about going ahead and doing it on the S.E.5a just in case.

dai phan
05-01-2008, 01:26 PM
Hello,

I flew the plane with the 2 cell 800 mAh and 250 motor as recommended from Eflite. I think they should recommend a little bit more powerful motor. A 300 size would be good. DP

aviatordave
05-02-2008, 03:58 AM
Hello,

I flew the plane with the 2 cell 800 mAh and 250 motor as recommended from Eflite. I think they should recommend a little bit more powerful motor. A 300 size would be good. DP


I used a motor similiar to this -

http://www.m-a-e.com/Sub_Pages/Products/products_Mots.htm

with a 2 cell 480 mah 20C lipo. I never liked the fact that they made the plane to suit their own motor, so I modded that. My SE5 does pretty good vertical and stall turns etc. I would have figured the 250 was close in power as the video they show makes the plane look like it does alot.

jecchile
05-16-2008, 09:21 PM
FOR SALE - $110.00 shipped (US 48 only)

Brand new - in the box SE5a kit (EFL1925 - sells for $59.99) with a Park 250 Outrunner motor (EFLM1130 - sells for $44.99 - used once but like new) and a 10-Amp Pro Brushless ESC (EFLA1010 - sells for $27.99)... will include 2 GWS 6050 props which are brand new also.

HURRY, TOO GOOD TO PASS UP...

PerlAddict
05-16-2008, 09:29 PM
Forgot to come back and post on this thread. I flew my S.E.5a at SEFF for its second flight. This time I used a 3S lipo with my "Blue Wonder" motor from LazerToyz.com.

If you are going to do this, be advised that the airframe DOES need extra support, no matter how easy you THINK you'll be on it. Take off was almost straight vertical after just a couple of feet. I think I managed to get about 20 seconds of flight in before I ripped the wings right off and pulled a ground torpedo move. :p On the 2-cell battery I maidened it with, I got about 45 to 50 watts, but it balanced tail heavy without the extra weight of the 3S battery.

With the 3S battery, that little motor cranks out about 115W. Just too much power for my poor little wings with no carbon reinforcement. But 115W sure will pull a 12oz plane through the sky like nobody's business. :D

Luckily, we won another S.E.5a in the SEFF raffle, so we're all good as far as that's concerned. And since the wing breaks were so clean (literally just snapped), I'm going to rebuild it, beef them up, fix the cracks in the fuse (and one broken wing strut), and then see if my wife wants to fly it. :)

Son of Paleface
05-16-2008, 11:20 PM
Just been reading this thread Dave , good job........
I just got an Eflight Beaver...nice , will put her on floats
Yer 'ol mate from Down Under
Ian

scalercflyer
05-17-2008, 08:02 AM
Well Guys, there goes another example of why it might be a good idea to reinforce the wings. :) According to e-flites tech department, "there exists no reason to reinforce the wings". They also said that it adds "unnecessary weight". :rolleyes: I say bull feathers!!! :eek::D I'm beefing mine up. :)Just haven't decided whether I'll just use packing tape or something a little more substantial. Got any ideas anyone? ???? martin

aviatordave
05-19-2008, 05:50 AM
Just been reading this thread Dave , good job........
I just got an Eflight Beaver...nice , will put her on floats
Yer 'ol mate from Down Under
Ian

Hey Ian -

I was thinking of getting skype going again to BS with ya. I've been busy putting new wood floors in the house, havent much time to fly. I'm going to try the SE5 outside soon sometime right before dusk when the winds die down.

Enjoy your winter! Its almost summer here!

Son of Paleface
05-19-2008, 06:10 AM
Hi Dave , is your Skype 'out of action'?? , Im expecting "Wiggy" any day now , wots a good time to call , after your T time I guess ??
Ian

aviatordave
05-19-2008, 06:09 PM
I think it still works. I havent used it since the last time I talked with ya. Lets shoot for Friday 4-5pm here, 7am Saturday there. Maybe you will have wiggy by then -

Son of Paleface
05-19-2008, 09:19 PM
10-4 ...Wilco

Me ...down under

jecchile
05-24-2008, 04:06 AM
FOR SALE - $110.00 shipped (US 48 only)

Brand new - in the box SE5a kit (EFL1925 - sells for $59.99) with a Park 250 Outrunner motor (EFLM1130 - sells for $44.99 - used once but like new) and a 10-Amp Pro Brushless ESC (EFLA1010 - sells for $27.99)... will include 2 GWS 6050 props which are brand new also.

HURRY, TOO GOOD TO PASS UP...

I can't believe that no one wants this deal...
Anyone out there?

WWI Ace
05-24-2008, 04:52 PM
Had my 23"ws span Fokker tripe (avatar pic) hunting your SE5a's early this morning!! None to be found!! Steve

scalercflyer
05-25-2008, 04:51 AM
Hey Steve, how did she fly? ????BTW, don't pay any attention to those jealous allied flyers. They just wish that their planes looked as good as your tripe in flight. :D Martin

jecchile
06-16-2008, 10:42 PM
I have a brand new kit that includes the engine, speed controller and 2 props - all for $100.00 shipped (US48 only)...
Let me know... Thanks.

smokefan
06-26-2008, 11:04 PM
Well after reading this thread I stopped after work and bought a SE5a.
It may take me a while to get this bird ready to fly, due to having to buy a radio and all the gear but I feel it will be worth the wait. I have a PZ micro Cessna 210 that is a joy to fly, so I am hoping that this will be as much fun as it is.

scalercflyer
06-27-2008, 12:24 AM
Smokefan, I'm glad to see you bought one! Mine is almost complete. I did read some the other thread replies about this plane, particulary about the wings folding. I plan to use some packing tape (with fiberglass thread) to reinforce the wings. It will simply go under the wing the whole length of the wing. Then I will glue the struts on and rig it with carpet thread or Kevlar thread. I think it will prove to be strong enough if I don't get too froggy flying it. Martin

smokefan
06-27-2008, 02:39 AM
Yea I'm gonna do some of the changes while I put it together. I will reread through the thread again and make some notes. WWI birds have always fascinated me so I am glad to finally have one of my own.

smokefan
07-01-2008, 10:00 PM
Got a quick question if I use packing tape to reinforce my wings would I just do the leading and trailing edges or the whole wing?
Thanks

scalercflyer
07-02-2008, 12:23 AM
Smokefan I plan to just run a couple of strips down the center of the wings (like wing spars). You won't be able to see them there. The rigging is functional on this model. Make sure you use good thread (kevlar, carpet thread, etc) and do a nice job. See the other SE5a threads for more tips. Martin

smokefan
07-02-2008, 01:42 AM
Thanks for the info I will try that.

cliffh
07-23-2008, 05:13 PM
Okay, I know this is an SE5 tread, but my E-flite Jenny is about the same thing...different color.

Anyhow, check your rudder control horn for clearance from the fuselage at full left turn. Mine was hitting the fuselage, causing the entire vertical fin and rudder to pull left. This puts a lot of stain on things and can't help flying characteristics at all.

I fixed things by clipping some of the horn off near the fuselage. I also ran a thin carbon fiber rod down beside the vertical fin, to the inside of the fuselage using CA to fasten it to the fin and inside the fuselage (access from rear of fuselage in the opening for warm air to exit).

I think this may have been contributing to the failures of the rudder control horn mounting areas.

Cliff

Bill G
10-17-2008, 01:29 AM
Let's see, I think I found the right thread this time.

I already have a decent flying Guillows SE5A, but I kept seeing this nice little plane at the LHS for 60 bucks, and finally gave in today.
This has to be the ultimate WWI bipe for depron foam construction. After looking over the kit at home tonight and seeing the ply innner structure, it exceeded my expectations as a well thought out design.

No Eflite 250 outrunner hovever, as I already have a smaller ELE (BP Hobbies) outrunner which is similar in spec, and a lot cheaper. The motor was in a Guillows Cessna 150, which was heavy and overpowered for it, and I had a smaller BP outrunner for it waiting to be swapped. Getting the SE5A was also and excuse to motivate me to perform the motor swap with the little Cessna 150.:D

Bill G
10-18-2008, 03:49 PM
Managed to mount a small BP outrunner with the stock tube mount, by making a sleeve using a length of 5/16" ID steel fuel tubing. The only area that really stuck out as questionable was the wing hold-down screws with no washer against the foam. Found some thin flexible white plastic sheet for that.

aviatordave
10-18-2008, 05:08 PM
Good mod on the motor mount sleeve. Are you gearing up for indoor flying this winter?

I've had a couple buddies fold their wings trying to do loops. If you plan on doing some 'other than normal' flying, you might want to run a small CF strip down the LE of the wings.

If your just going to do some 'lazy flying' then it will be ok.

gfdengine204
10-18-2008, 05:44 PM
Good mod on the motor mount sleeve. Are you gearing up for indoor flying this winter?

I've had a couple buddies fold their wings trying to do loops. If you plan on doing some 'other than normal' flying, you might want to run a small CF strip down the LE of the wings.

If your just going to do some 'lazy flying' then it will be ok.

Dave,

You need to come build mine.....I've been too busy.....:)

Bill G
10-18-2008, 08:35 PM
Good mod on the motor mount sleeve. Are you gearing up for indoor flying this winter?

I've had a couple buddies fold their wings trying to do loops. If you plan on doing some 'other than normal' flying, you might want to run a small CF strip down the LE of the wings.

If your just going to do some 'lazy flying' then it will be ok.I've been gearing up for a while, but most of my micros are too heavy and fast for indoor.:D
Broke down and got this one, since I know it will be good. There is a nearby group in Sharon PA that flys indoors a few times a month. I've been saying I'll get there forever, and will have to this winter.

Discovered another trick for this plane with the rigging. I saw a review at that "other place" :D that stated as you tighten the rigging, you will remove dihedral. It was a good guess, as I would have thought so too, but turned out to be the opposite, when I actually pulled tension on it. The dihedral actually increases as the rigging is tightened. If you tighten the rear rigging assembly more than the front, then you have more dihedral in the rear of the wing panels than the front. Now think about the geometry for a second, and you can see that this ends up setting positive washout. A bit of positive washout is a good thing.

I thought about the CF epoxied to the LE on at least 1 of the wings. Good point. Would make a better LE too, like my Wattage Sopwith has (buddy has it now). That Sopwith also has .015 music wire rigging too, tied at each rigging point. Makes it dang strong.

Helping a bit more for strength, I epoxied the strut mounts, versus foam safe CA. Also ran a thin layer of epoxy on the wings, spread in a small area around the strut mounting areas. I quit foam safe CA a long time back, as I realized it is merely CA that doesn't eat foam, and still does at times. Just not nearly as good of an adhesive for foam as epoxy is.

Did those who folded wings not install the rigging? I'm sure they would be very weak like that. I used control line string, which I pre-stretch to get the slop out of it, before routing through the struts and tying off.

I'm convinced that the stock batt would not set the reccomended cg, and make the high end weight spec at the same time. I'm using a slightly different motor and a TP 3s-730, which sets the cg to spec with the batt all the way forward, but is 1/2 oz over the high end weight spec. Wonder if others with stock motor/batt had to add a bit of lead to set the 1-3/4" back from LE of top wing CG mark?

Well its all ready now, and if it calms down a bit later, I'll give this thing a try.

aviatordave
10-18-2008, 08:43 PM
I had to add lead to my front. I used a CD-Rom motor that was pretty light but also quite powerful that I used on my 5 oz 3D foamie. I found that a 2 cell 800 mah balanced fine and the 2 cell 450 mah batteries needed some weight taped to them for proper balance. My buddies had the same problem. You did it right, instead of lead use batteries, that 3 cell should give it some zip.

(that must be a tight fit)

Bill G
10-19-2008, 06:27 AM
I had to add lead to my front. I used a CD-Rom motor that was pretty light but also quite powerful that I used on my 5 oz 3D foamie. I found that a 2 cell 800 mah balanced fine and the 2 cell 450 mah batteries needed some weight taped to them for proper balance. My buddies had the same problem. You did it right, instead of lead use batteries, that 3 cell should give it some zip.

(that must be a tight fit)Yep, I ran it on the 3 cell and the amps seemed within reason with a GWS 6030 prop. The stock 6050 may be a bit heavy for the ELE motor on 3s, but with the 6030 it seems fine. Should move well.
I see you used a different motor too. I think Eflite (Horizon) want's to get rich selling us their gear, rather than the planes. Too many good cheap outrunners out there now.

I ended up adding a .060 CF rod to the top wing LE. The bottom wing would be the best to add it to, but the top was easier, and it is more likely to get nicked up in the weeds I often land into. Mixed a perfect green match with Model Masters dark green, a bit of standard Testors bottle green, and some flat black. Painted the LE which the CF rod was attached to, and also painted the chrome landing gear wire, which just didn't look right in chrome.

scalercflyer
10-19-2008, 02:34 PM
Gentlemen, I too am concerned about the wing folding issue. So I took a roll of fiber reinforced 3/4" packing tape and ran 2 strips of tape side by side in the middle bottom of both wings. Since the bottom of the wing is white, the tape blended right in. I plan to use kevlar fishing string to rig her. Anyone use this before? Martin

scalercflyer
10-19-2008, 02:36 PM
The wire LG looks a bit naked so I took some popsickle sticks and hot glued them to the struts. Then I stained them with minwax. Looks great and beefs the LG up at the same time. Martin

Bill G
10-19-2008, 04:27 PM
Gentlemen, I too am concerned about the wing folding issue. So I took a roll of fiber reinforced 3/4" packing tape and ran 2 strips of tape side by side in the middle bottom of both wings. Since the bottom of the wing is white, the tape blended right in. I plan to use kevlar fishing string to rig her. Anyone use this before? Martin
I had some Kevlar string, but ended up using control line string, which is still better than the thread they give you. To make the rigging really work, it would need to be glued at all the tie points. I don't care to do that as it plugs the rigging holes, but I flexed the wings a bit and noticed that the rigging simply slipped through the rigging points when not glued at the rig points. If you glued to each rig point, the wings would not fold. I did this with my Wattage Sopwith which took major punishment through the years, and a buddy still flies it now.

The blenderm should help in that the tape would have to stretch, for the wings to fold. It also stops tears if ran along egdes of the foam panels where the tears start. I've wrapped it over LEs and TEs of wings, at places such as where the wing meets the fuse. The stress concentrations cause tears in the foam. I ran a bit of epoxy on the wing undersides at these tear-prone areas on this SE5A.

From my Wattage Sopwith experience, I found it important to flash out epoxy from the areas where the wing struts mount, on the undersides of the wings where it is not so noticeable. Really stops stress concentrated tears. Also epoxy the entire mating edge of the strut to the wing, and not just a few spots. I also would hope that all who have this plane have glued the top center wing to the struts, rather than just depending on the screws.:eek:
It looks better to add a bit of unsightly epoxy during the build, than to have globs of it over torn foam, after the damage happens.:D

Edit: Flew today
Nice calm evening so I took it out for a flight. Very nice slow flyer. Could catch it out of the air.
Ended up using a PQ 3s-300, which was a bit lighter than my old blue label GenI TP 3s-730, which seems to have finally fallen off and could not sustain power. The PQ set the CG back a few mm from the reccomended setting, but the plane still flew fine.