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EddyKilowatt
12-09-2005, 10:04 PM
Hi Folks -

My son (and to a lesser extent myself) have made fun progress flying the T-Hawk. This is looking forward a bit in terms of flight skills, but with Santa visiting soon it is opportune to think about what the next step up in airplanes will be... even if the plane has to wait a month or two for its maiden flight.

That said, I'm curious as to what folks might advise in the way of a first aileron plane.

I'd like something that's crashable (they're all crashable! -- I mean "flyable after crashing" -- though need not be as indestructible as the T-Hawk), that will perform OK with un-fussy Ni-MH batteries and brush motor, and with reasonably forgiving and predictable handling qualities. It would be great if it could take him up thru some beginner aerobatic moves in the loop, roll, and stall category. I think we will save scale appearance, extreme speed, and extreme aerobatics for a future model.

I'm guessing there are nearly as many suggestions as there are electric flyers, but I'm interested to hear people's comments about planes in this category, and what setups have worked well for you.

regards,
Eddy

DannyR
12-09-2005, 11:53 PM
Hi Folks -

My son (and to a lesser extent myself) have made fun progress flying the T-Hawk. This is looking forward a bit in terms of flight skills, but with Santa visiting soon it is opportune to think about what the next step up in airplanes will be... even if the plane has to wait a month or two for its maiden flight.

That said, I'm curious as to what folks might advise in the way of a first aileron plane.

I'd like something that's crashable (they're all crashable! -- I mean "flyable after crashing" -- though need not be as indestructible as the T-Hawk), that will perform OK with un-fussy Ni-MH batteries and brush motor, and with reasonably forgiving and predictable handling qualities. It would be great if it could take him up thru some beginner aerobatic moves in the loop, roll, and stall category. I think we will save scale appearance, extreme speed, and extreme aerobatics for a future model.

I'm guessing there are nearly as many suggestions as there are electric flyers, but I'm interested to hear people's comments about planes in this category, and what setups have worked well for you.

regards,
Eddy

I highly recommend the Multiplex Space Scooter or Sky Scooter Pro II. These plane are made of foam (Elapor) and are very tuff and very repairable. They comes as RTF or ARF and are very easy to put together, balance, trim and fly. Both models use ailerons and elevator. The Space Scooter has the benefit of being able to have the rudder added as your skills grow.

I started with the Sky Scootor Pro II as my first plane earlier this year and have since progressed to the Space Scooter because it is faster and has the rudder capability.

Again, I couldn't recommend these any more highly for aileron training and more.

Happy Holidays to you and your family.

Danny

Tom Moody
12-10-2005, 04:47 AM
I will also recommend the Space Scooter. It will take a lot of abuse and just bounce back for more. I have crashed mine more times than I can remember and it still flys great. Looks a little worse but that doesn't hurt the flying.

Tom Moody

Sky Sharkster
12-10-2005, 01:29 PM
My recommendation for a first aileron plane would be the E-Starter from GWS. It looks like a real plane, comes with 370 (brushed) motor, gearbox and motor mount and flies pretty well on 7-8 cell NiCad or NiMH packs. The ARF includes hardware for either (1) rudder, elevator and throttle or (2) rudder, elevator, ailerons and throttle. Cost? About $ 45.00 with motor.
It's fairly durable, except the landing gear mount could use a strip of f/g cloth with epoxy to beef it up. A piece of tape over the battery compartment door will prevent the infamous "GWS Battery Bail-out" and the wing struts are a pain, better to leave'em off.
Since it uses the (nearly) standard GWS "Stick" motor mount there's a lot of motor upgrades available, including brushless. The radio compartment is HUGE, easy to install and change components without tweezers and a microscope.
In the event of a bad crash, GWS sells a "Slope" kit (same plane without motor or landing gear) for less than $ 30.00.
Replacement motor/gearbox combos (brushed) are about $ 20.00-$ 25.00.
I would suggest having an experienced flyer trim it out with a "Buddy-Box" on the first flight, after that it's easy to fly on your own.
Good Luck, whatever you choose! Ron

Rugar
12-10-2005, 02:42 PM
I agree with Sky. The E-Starter is a great aileron trainer.

Tailspin Ken
12-12-2005, 05:21 AM
I suggest the Mountain Models Magpie. Get both wings. It is durable and a great flying plane. www.mountainmodels.com (http://www.mountainmodels.com)

Ken

timocharis
12-12-2005, 05:32 AM
This will sound a bit demented, but bear with me. Consider the Mini 3D from slofly.com:
http://slofly.com/cart/index.php?cPath=0_29_166

It's an easy build. You can use a GWS standard motor (even a 280 -- what they call EP100 I think -- would fly it) and any battery you want. If you place the CG forward this is a very sedate plane that will turn either rudder-only or aileron-only. It is a bit more sensitive than a trainer, but you're past that phase.

What it brings to the party is unsurpassed crashability combined with extraordinary handling -- and it flies reeeeeealy slow if you keep the weight down.

Crashability? I've crashed mine as many as ten times in a single day with no repairs. Other days, a minor repair (I just use white glue and set it aside. Up we go again the next day).

Though it sounds like a strange idea, I think this thing may be the best aileron trainer around (not because it flies the very best, but because you can make so many mistakes and just keep on going. Use a prop saver!)

And good luck no matter what you choose!

Dave

AEAJR
12-12-2005, 05:45 AM
e-starter
Space Scooter
mountain models Magpie

All good!

AEAJR
12-12-2005, 06:17 AM
MORE ADVANCED PLANES -
After you master a starter plane, what should you go to next. That is all
according to where your interests lie. There are 4 channel aileon planes, 3
channel aerobatics planes and then there are the extreme aerobats, pattern
planes and 3D planes. Below are samples in each group. Which you choose is
up to you.


THREE CHANNEL ELEVATOR/AILERON OR ELEVON PLANES
These planes introduce ailerons but do it on a 3 channel design without a
rudder. They typically have throttle/aileron/elevator control, or they have
elevons which combine the function of ailerons and the elevator into one
surface. They are quite aerobatic with the limitation that having no rudder
they can not perform rudder guided or enhanced manauvers. Knife edges, for
example, make extensive use of the rudder. There are a few RTF packages
here. The rest are ARF or kits and will require you to buy a radio system.

These are a lot of fun!

Computer Radios - The recommended path for almost everyone
http://www.rcezine.com/cms/article.php?cat=&id=65 (http://www.rcezine.com/cms/article.php?cat=&id=65)


Carbon Falcon -
This may be the ultimate take it with you plane
Folds up to almost nothing for travel or for
keep in the car fun!
http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/p2.html (http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/p2.html)
Discussion
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272229 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272229)
Review
http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?t=article&cat=198&id=4236 (http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?t=article&cat=198&id=4236)
Video
http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/videos.html (http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/videos.html)


F27-Stryker - RTF - $170
Fun Keep-in-the-car plane
Just pop off the tail fins and it goes back in the box!!!!!
http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=PKZ1200 (http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=PKZ1200)
Video
http://rc-galaxy.com/Video/F-27_Stryker_Richard_Harris_7-9-04.wmv (http://rc-galaxy.com/Video/F-27_Stryker_Richard_Harris_7-9-04.wmv)
http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_videos/parkzone_F27_stryker_smallformat.wmv (http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_videos/parkzone_F27_stryker_smallformat.wmv)
http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_videos/parkzone_stryker_video.wmv (http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_videos/parkzone_stryker_video.wmv)
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=392 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=392)

Sky Scooter Pro 2 RTF - Also available ARF - 3 Channel
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/sky_scooter_pro_2.html (http://www.parkflyers.com/html/sky_scooter_pro_2.html)

Video - Stock
http://www.hitecrcd.com/MikesSpace/Movies/ssclip2.wmv (http://www.hitecrcd.com/MikesSpace/Movies/ssclip2.wmv)


Multiplex Space Scooter - RTF
A more up to date version of the Sky Scooter Pro above
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV5&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV5&P=7)
ARF
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV4&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV4&P=7)
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=548 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=548)
Video
http://www.bungymania.com/videos/films/spacescooter/spacescooter_sun_stunt.wmv (http://www.bungymania.com/videos/films/spacescooter/spacescooter_sun_stunt.wmv)
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/548/SpaceScooter.wmv (http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/548/SpaceScooter.wmv)

Multiplex Microjet - ARF
http://www.multiplexusa.com/product_fs.htm (http://www.multiplexusa.com/product_fs.htm)
video
http://www.bungymania.com/videos/films/microjet/microjet_hand_launching.wmv (http://www.bungymania.com/videos/films/microjet/microjet_hand_launching.wmv)
http://www.bungymania.com/videos/films/microjet/microjet_hight_speed.wmv (http://www.bungymania.com/videos/films/microjet/microjet_hight_speed.wmv)

Viper Twin - ARF
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/viper.html (http://www.parkflyers.com/html/viper.html)
review
http://www.parkflyers.com/Viper_RCM_PSD_LowPDF.pdf (http://www.parkflyers.com/Viper_RCM_PSD_LowPDF.pdf)
Video
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/trailervid.html (http://www.parkflyers.com/html/trailervid.html)
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/smoothvid.html (http://www.parkflyers.com/html/smoothvid.html)

Zagi XS - ARF
http://zagi.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1 (http://zagi.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1)
Video page
http://www.zagi.com/index.php?main_page=movies&sessid=5fe1f36d4db5782d3e812dbc8b76c42f (http://www.zagi.com/index.php?main_page=movies&sessid=5fe1f36d4db5782d3e812dbc8b76c42f)

Zagi XT - ARF
http://zagi.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=5 (http://zagi.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=5)
Video Page
http://www.zagi.com/index.php?main_page=movies&sessid=5fe1f36d4db5782d3e812dbc8b76c42f (http://www.zagi.com/index.php?main_page=movies&sessid=5fe1f36d4db5782d3e812dbc8b76c42f)

IFO - Easy to build kit
Demo at the 2000 Tournament of Champions
http://www.wildrc.com/htmlpages/movies/toc2000.mpg (http://www.wildrc.com/htmlpages/movies/toc2000.mpg)
Flying Combat in a gym
http://www.wildrc.com/htmlpages/movies/mk3combat.mpg (http://www.wildrc.com/htmlpages/movies/mk3combat.mpg)

Park Jet - Easy to build kit
http://mountainmodels.com/parkjet.php (http://mountainmodels.com/parkjet.php)
Video
http://mountainmodels.com/ParkJet.wmv (http://mountainmodels.com/ParkJet.wmv)


FOUR CHANNEL AILERON TRAINERS
These planes introduce the full set of flight controls consisting of
ailerons/elevator/rudder/throttle. They are a logical next step for the
pilot who wants to take their flying skills to full 4 channel control. All of
these planes can perform aerobatics, but are primarily designed as 4 channel
trainers with high wing designs . This makes them easier to fly but less
aerobatic than the mid or low wing planes. RTF, ARF & Kits

Magpie - with both wing kits - $55
Easy to build Foam kit -
Has trainer wing AND aileron sport wing
Master the first, then advance to the second.
They offer a complete package with both wings and all the electronics for $160
http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php)
discussion threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306795&highlight=SmoothE+build (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306795&highlight=SmoothE+build)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851)
Video - slow fly wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv (http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv)
Sport wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/MagpieSP.wmv (http://www.mountainmodels.com/MagpieSP.wmv)

SmoothE - $50
Easy to build Balsa and foam
4 channel aileron trainer
http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php)
Discussion Threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234349&highlight=SmoothE+build (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234349&highlight=SmoothE+build)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205796&page=19&pp=15 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205796&page=19&pp=15)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276761 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276761)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225)
Funny video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV (http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV)

Models Dandy Sport - $45
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandysport.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandysport.php)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225)
Complete Package $155
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/ds1.wmv (http://www.mountainmodels.com/ds1.wmv)

GWS E-starter 400 - Simple Foam Kit - $50
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?products_id=551 (http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?products_id=551)
Available as a ARF complete package kit with radio - $150
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=611 (http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=611)

GWS Tiger Moth 400 - Simple Foam Kit - $70
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_54&products_id=203 (http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_54&products_id=203)
Complete kit including Radio - $175
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=658 (http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=658)
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=345 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=345)
Video
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/345/TM400m.wmv (http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/345/TM400m.wmv)

Multiplex Magister ARF - $110
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV2&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV2&P=ML)
Multiplex Magister - RTF - $299
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV3&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV3&P=ML)
This plane is much larger than the others
Close to a .40 glow trainer in size
Review
http://www.smoothair.ca/reviews/Magister/magister.htm (http://www.smoothair.ca/reviews/Magister/magister.htm)
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=519 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=519)
Discussion
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309397 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309397)
Touch and Gos
http://www.plawner.org/video/magister_touchngoes.wmv (http://www.plawner.org/video/magister_touchngoes.wmv)
Video - Take off from grass - standard motor/battery
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/519/magister1.wmv (http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/519/magister1.wmv)
Towing up a glider
http://plawner.org/video/Magister_easy.wmv (http://plawner.org/video/Magister_easy.wmv)
Video - This is not with the standard motor
this plane has an upgraded brushless motor
http://plawner.org/video/magister_test.wmvhttp://plawner.org/video/magister_test.wmv (http://plawner.org/video/magister_test.wmvhttp://plawner.org/video/magister_test.wmv)

BeginAir - RTF or Receiver ready
RTF - $180 Receiver Ready - $110
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/begin-air.html (http://www.parkflyers.com/html/begin-air.html)
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=443 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=443)
video
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/443/BeginAir.wmv (http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/443/BeginAir.wmv)

Cesna 182 - 4 Channel RTF - $180
http://www.ewebcart.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?merchant=3210&add=1&item_id=144 (http://www.ewebcart.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?merchant=3210&add=1&item_id=144)
Includes 72 MHz radio and wall charger.
Sku# 4303 $179.99 4 Channel with 72 MHz Radio
(Intermediate Level Recommended)
Video
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/cessna_long_movie.html (http://www.parkflyers.com/html/cessna_long_movie.html)

Barfing Pumpkin
12-12-2005, 05:59 PM
My son (and to a lesser extent myself) have made fun progress flying the T-Hawk. This is looking forward a bit in terms of flight skills, but with Santa visiting soon it is opportune to think about what the next step up in airplanes will be... even if the plane has to wait a month or two for its maiden flight.

That said, I'm curious as to what folks might advise in the way of a first aileron plane. Eddy

You made a very good choice with the T-Hawk. Hope you hang on to it and use it as a confidence builder and an all-around great plane to mash and bash. Consider making another good choice, the Multiplex models mentioned in the previoius posts. They may not have the "slick" appearance of a film covered ARF, but they have a foam that is nearly indestructable, actually easier to repair than the T-Hawk components. If possible, set up the plane you choose for complete 4 channel operation: Ch1 - aileron, Ch2 - elevator, Ch3 - throttle, Ch4 - rudder. Any basic 4 channel transmitter will work. No need for the computer based radios as yet, just as long as you have 2 sticks to move.

Good luck.

Barf

AEAJR
12-12-2005, 08:30 PM
I strongly recommend you go to a computer radio, but that is not hte topic of this thread.

watt_the?!
12-12-2005, 08:42 PM
I've seen lotsa peeps go straight from never flown to the Stryker...FWIW. Had to test fly and trim for them first and can vouch for it's ease of handling.

i know its a departure from what has been recommended here, but it sure does fly great.

Tim.

AEAJR
12-12-2005, 08:47 PM
I listed the Stryker above. Gets great reports. Main issue is that you need to keep the speed up. Other than that, most people love 'em. Of couse that is an RTF and our friend here is looking for an ARF. So try the Viper Twin or the Zagi wings.

kraze4p51
12-14-2005, 03:43 AM
how about a 4 ch high wing plane like a cessna 182 rtf from parkflyers.com,hobbywarehouse. i have one very easy to fly easy hand launch.it's a good plane too learn to fly with ailerons,very forgiving and durable.can do loops slowrolls but don't push it to hard on the aerobatics.kraze4p51

VACaver
12-21-2005, 12:48 AM
The E-Starter was the next step up from an Aerobird Challenger for me.

Easy to build...but with some minor additions to improve crash survivability.

I covered mine with Ultracote and that helps strengthen the foam. Unfortunately, it also adds a bit of weight.

But that's OK. It's a fun plane to fly and taught me a lot.

If you can get past the somewhat confusing manual, I would definitely recommend it for an aileron trainer.

rahtware
12-21-2005, 05:11 PM
I listed the Stryker above. Gets great reports. Main issue is that you need to keep the speed up. Other than that, most people love 'em. Of couse that is an RTF and our friend here is looking for an ARF. So try the Viper Twin or the Zagi wings.
Not exactly true. I have found the stryker to be extreamly forgiving and with a very mild stall. It is true that it doesn't just "float in", but that is kind of deceptive as I have"flown" mine at 1/4 - 1/2 throttle, just cruising around.

Bigfoot21075
12-21-2005, 05:18 PM
I will 2nd the GWS Tiger Moth 400. Aside from being a GREAT flying 4 channel plane - it can also be upgraded to a mean aerobatic flyer. It will do all basic acrobatic moves with the stock power system and a 1320 lipo pack, but if you upgrade to the wood wing supports and upgrade the landing gear slightly the plane becomes a whole new realm of fun. Then throw on a brushless motor when you wear out the stock GWS 400 gear box and it is hog heaven!

timocharis
12-21-2005, 06:30 PM
Regardless of what I might think, what I actually did was hack one together from various parts at hand (except for a motor, which I bought). And the more I think about it, the more I suspect something like this is really a pretty good idea.

http://timocharis.com/doodles/planes/nippy/index.html

Worked for me!


Dave

Faspro
12-22-2005, 06:57 PM
http://www.ecsvr.com/wrc/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=8&subcat=58&cat=Park+Flyer+ARF

I am thinking of buying the last one on the page. Comes with everything but a radio.

rahtware
12-22-2005, 09:56 PM
A 370 on a 650mah pack??? Sounds like a 2 minute flight...

AAA packs are quite susceptible to voltage / amps-out drop as they cool down. My first NiMh packs were 1/2 AAA and had all but convinced me that a plane couldn't fly reliably on this type of battery. This, more than anything, is what got me started in LiPos.

Be ready to invest in LiPos and a charger for this plane.

Jeremy Z
12-25-2005, 05:00 PM
There is some good advice here. I started out the same way that you have. The T-Hawk is a great plane. Very humble & unassuming, yet it has enough power that you don't just want to discard it when you move to your next plane.

I'd go the Multiplex route. Their design, instructions, and materials are MILES better than GWS. Intead of run-of-the-mill styrofoam, (polystyrene) they use Elapor, which is their own type of EPP. (Expanded Polypropylene) It has a better finish than EPP. Anyway, it is MUCH more flexible than the polystyrene that GWS uses, to the extent that Multiplex uses it in thin areas as hinges!

I would buy either the Multiplex TwinStar II, (that is the one my wife got me for Christmas) the Magister, or if you think you're going to wait until spring, the MiniMag.

The TwinStar II is a 54" wingspan dual-motor plane. Initially, it feels a bit underpowered compared to the T-Hawk, because it is not so light. But one you realize that you have to fly it scale to fly it smoothly, it is a thing of beauty. By flying scale, I mean that you can't take off at such a steep angle, and you can't make such sharp turns. You can, but it results in a very choppy flight. Then, when you learn the coordination, you have such a feeling of pride... Whatever you do, make sure you get a proper 4 channel plane. If you gain the ailerons, but lose the rudder, you've not gotten anywhere. The idea is to learn to coordinate them well. With smaller planes, you don't necessarily need to coordinate them. But the larger of a plane you go with, the more it flies like the real thing, and the more it is necessary to coordinate rudder & ailerons. The advantages of this plane compared to the other two I recommended is that you don't need a smooth runway to fly. You hand-launch it and belly-land it on grass, snow, or water. (with some minor mods for water) It will also ROG (rise off the ground) on snow. I've flown mine about 8 times now, taking of and landing on snow. With a layer of clear packing tape on the bottom, it slides forever on snow. :D I've gotten 15-21 minute flight times on the 3600 mAh, 8-cell packs. I've read that it flies a little better with LiPos, but isn't that always the case? LiPos for this bird will be spendy.

Now the Magister is bigger yet, 64" wingspan. It is full .40 size. (referring to the typical size .40 engine on glow-powered planes) It is built for electric power and includes a 680 motor, but it also includes hardware for mounting the glow engine. I've read that the included 680 motor is a little slow, but that with a brushless motor, it comes alive. I'm sure it'd come alive with a glow engine too, but who wants that mess and fuss? Not me. With the Magister, you've got the choice of three powerplants. That is the one drawback to the TwinStar II; that you'd have to buy two brushless motors, two brushless ESCs, and that equals big bucks, probably $200-250 upgrade. This one is said to be better in a wind than the TwinStar II, probably on account of its weight & slightly larger size. It is a right monster compared to a T-Hawk though, so be sure you know what you're getting into. (find a pic with a person for size reference) I believe the wing comes off and splits into two parts for transport, so storage will not be too bad. The Magister is made of Elapor foam also, so it will take its licks without too much fuss.

Now the MiniMag is a Smaller version of the Magister, with a 40" wingspan, give or take. It is made of Elapor foam, has ailerons, and the option of factory floats. It will be better for small field flying than either the TwinStar II or the Magister. But it is not out yet, and will probably not be out until February. If you plan on waiting until spring, that's no big deal.

Since this message isn't long enough yet, I'll tell you my progression of planes & flying:

T-Hawk. Learned to fly with this plane & FMS.
Ordered EdgeRC flying wings, found out there would be a LONG wait. To this day, they're not built yet.
Bought & built the GWS Corsair with brushless. A beautiful plane in the air. The best-looking I've seen, IMO. This plane, I built with only ailerons & elevator, because I read from several people that the rudder is ineffective. I installed the pushrod tubes in case I changed my mind though.
Received, built, and flew the TwinStar II from my wife for Christmas. This is nowhere near as fast or maneuverable as the Corsair. It is not as maneuverable as the T-Hawk either. But it much, much smoother and more scale-flying than either.
Bought a Yak 55 profile plane from Hobby-Lobby for $20. I couldn't resist for that money. (temporarily ignoring the cost of electronics :rolleyes: ) The plan was to install the brushed motor from the Corsair, and then I'd just have to buy the speed control. This is built, but I haven't decided on or installed the power & radio system yet.I don't think I could pick a favorite, I like them all so much. The T-Hawk is still fun, as it soars so well and can be flown just about anywhere.

The TwinStar II is very graceful, smooth, & scale. It can be flown a longer distances on account of its size. It is my first plane with full-house controls. It is nearly as fast as my brushless Corsair, though it doesn't have nearly the acceleration. (smaller props = higher speed, but with less thrust, they have less acceleration) It needs a much bigger runway (even with flaperons configured), but you can use any field, because it doesn't need a smooth runway. Put packing tape on its belly, and you're good to go.

The Corsair is a lot of fun to fly, with that high power/weight ratio. It weighs 16.0 oz. and the thrust is around 25 oz. Low flybys are fun, as it still glides rather well. I can just skim the grass, then give 'er the gun and she takes off about 70 degrees skyward. The only problem is landing with that springy landing gear. If you don't get it just right, it bounces about 3' up and when you're running out of runway, it is not what you want.

I'd probably get the Magister if I were you. It will be smooth, easy to build, durable, and it will leave all options open with regards to the power system. If you really don't think you can cope with the 64" wingspan size, try to hold out for the MiniMag. After you build one Multiplex model, you'll see why I'm so loyal all of a sudden.

If you want the MiniMag but can't wait until is is stateside, (Multiplex is a German company) have a good look at the Ultrafly Cessna 182. The only reason I didn't mention this one earlier is that it is made of styrofoam. It is a better grade than the GWS, but still just polystyrene. My dad has one. It includes a trainer wing, which you can build with ailerons & flaps and an aerobatic wing. Charlies from Ultrafly says that with the aerobatic wing and a different (8x8E) prop, it is much faster & more maneuverable. I believe him.

Ed is 100% on the money with the computer radio. I was wary of spending that kind of dough, but as soon as I got the next plane, I was glad I spent the extra $$ on it.

Last I checked, www.hobby-lobby.com (http://www.hobby-lobby.com) had the Hitec Flash 5 computer radio with flight pack for $130! That is an amazing deal, and only about $20-30 more than a 4 channel analog radio. Call Hobby-Lobby, and I'm sure they'll work with you to put this into a package with a Magister at a good price. Here's a link to Hobby-Lobby's sale page:
http://hobby-lobby.com/bargainhangar.htm

Be sure to check the links across the top for their other sale items. For instance, if you look in the Magister sale page, it shows the Flash 5 at $160. But if you check the sale page, it is available separately for $130. It may be the larger servos that it comes with in the Magister kit, I don't know.

I went with the Hitec Optic 6 w/Spectra module, which is now on sale at Hobby-Lobby for $180. It's very nice.

On the Magister page at Hobby-Lobby, there are photos which show size reference for it.

Good luck, and let us know what you decide, or what you've already decided, hehehe.

I attached some photos.

1. Me with the TwinStar II

2. TwinStar II about to maiden. Thank you snowmobilers for making a nice runway!

3&4. Dad's Ultrafly Cessna 182. (he added the yellow stripes)

5. Launching the Corsair from the street. This flight ended in disaster. I was able to ROG from the street & fly it well, but a crosswind landing in a gusty 10 mph wind with no rudder proved too much for my skill. I was on approach and narrowly avoided my car, only to tree it on the other side of the street. This plane needs a proper runway. (i.e. not surrounded by trees) I broke the left wing off. It is fixed & flying again though. (foam's easy to fix!)

Jeremy

Jeremy Z
12-25-2005, 05:10 PM
Hobby-Lobby has a deal now where if you buy a flight simulator from them, they will include the $20 Yak 55 profile 3D plane for free:
http://hobby-lobby.com/flightsim.htm

This may be the best option of all. You can fly all winter, no matter the weather. You can download models (for free) of the planes you're thinking of buying, and test-fly them and crash them at no extra expense.

You can let your kids fly, unattended without worrying about them crashing the plane and damaging property or hurting people. You can learn to fly helicopters. You can practice up on the aerobatic planes before you buy.

The kits that Hobby-Lobby illustrates assume that you've already got a proper radio. (i.e. not the 27 MHz one included with the T-Hawk) The kit is available with a controller that looks/operates just like a real radio for an extra $20, though I don't see it on Hobby-Lobby's site.

The included Yak 55 flat foamy doesn't include a motor, speed control, servos, receiver. It is just the plain plane kit. ;)

Check the computer requirements before buying. I wouldn't even consider buying it unless my machine met the recommended (not minimum) requirements.

I'd have bought it by now, if my computer were up to the task. I've been making do with FMS and a regular old analog game controller.

Jeremy

new2rc
12-28-2005, 10:59 PM
Just wanted to mention the Hobbico SuperStar EP. My son and I learned on this wonderful plane and better than one year two solo pilots at our club and pushing 200 flights she is still going strong! You can fly her with a 3 ch. set up or get the 4 ch. ARF. We learned on the 3 ch and later, I converted to a 4 ch. full function. This plane is very forgiving and has plenty of power on the orig. motor for loops, rolls and more. Later, you can add a more powerful brushed or bl set up and really learn some aerobatics ;). Ours now powered with an Endoplasma is so much fun and can be flown like a stunt plane or slow to a crawl even riding thermals. It is a balsa built model, but I have found it easy to repair during the learning curve. I would say this is one of the best all around trainers made which can be upgraded and modified to do nearly anything. My son even did most of an outside loop :eek:. I'm not so brave :rolleyes:. Wish you the best whatever your choice.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGVZ3&P=7

John and Christo

wattflyer6161
12-12-2006, 02:36 AM
Hello,
I have mastered my slowstick and im looking for a durable aileron trainer for under $80. I have a park 400 outrunner and a 3s 2200 mah lipo battery.
Have any suggestions?
I do not want a balsa wood!

firemanbill
12-12-2006, 02:49 AM
Hey Wattflyer... welcom to Wattflyer! lol

I'll agree with a lot of the earlier posts here and say the GWS E-starter. You can still get the kit for around 45 bucks with motor or 30 for the unpowered version. A very stable and forgiving aircraft and can grow with you as well. Should be a hoot on a 400 outrunner too!:D

wattflyer6161
12-12-2006, 03:43 AM
Hey Wattflyer... welcom to Wattflyer! lol

I'll agree with a lot of the earlier posts here and say the GWS E-starter. You can still get the kit for around 45 bucks with motor or 30 for the unpowered version. A very stable and forgiving aircraft and can grow with you as well. Should be a hoot on a 400 outrunner too!:D

I have heard about the E-starter and that the battery compartement is quite small. My battery if fairly large. Will it fit?

firemanbill
12-12-2006, 03:51 AM
I have heard about the E-starter and that the battery compartement is quite small. My battery if fairly large. Will it fit?

I put a 2s 1650 Mah Lipo in mine. I don't use the plastic holder that comes with it as I've never been able to keep one shut!:eek: We put a bamboo stick through the fuse from one side to the other under the battery and it works fine. Never had one fall out.

The battery area is beefy enough that you can cut some out of it to make a 3s fit but a 3s and a 400 outrunner may be a bit much for it. We run a ultralfy b\6\10 outrunner on a 2s and have loads of power. lopps aileron rolls and such are no problem at all.

wattflyer6161
12-12-2006, 04:11 AM
I put a 2s 1650 Mah Lipo in mine. I don't use the plastic holder that comes with it as I've never been able to keep one shut!:eek: We put a bamboo stick through the fuse from one side to the other under the battery and it works fine. Never had one fall out.

The battery area is beefy enough that you can cut some out of it to make a 3s fit but a 3s and a 400 outrunner may be a bit much for it. We run a ultralfy b\6\10 outrunner on a 2s and have loads of power. lopps aileron rolls and such are no problem at all.

Would the power still be a problem if I stayed a 1/2 throttle the whole time? How durable is this plane in a crash. What can brake? How hard is it to fix?

firemanbill
12-12-2006, 04:22 AM
Would the power still be a problem if I stayed a 1/2 throttle the whole time? How durable is this plane in a crash. What can brake? How hard is it to fix?

That I can't answer... never crashed it...;)

It is a pretty tough bird though. The foam is pretty thick in the areas where it really needs it. We havebusted the tail wheel mount a time or two so I'd say that is a weak spot but nothing major.

I say we, this was my 10 y/o sons aileron trainer and he did great with it.

I'd say you can do fine with that motor if, like you say you manage the throttle. My son does that on his brushless Stryker now. He gets it going pretty good but I don't think I've seen him really go full throttle with it yet. ( I sure have though!)

wattflyer6161
12-12-2006, 04:51 AM
That I can't answer... never crashed it...;)

It is a pretty tough bird though. The foam is pretty thick in the areas where it really needs it. We havebusted the tail wheel mount a time or two so I'd say that is a weak spot but nothing major.

I say we, this was my 10 y/o sons aileron trainer and he did great with it.

I'd say you can do fine with that motor if, like you say you manage the throttle. My son does that on his brushless Stryker now. He gets it going pretty good but I don't think I've seen him really go full throttle with it yet. ( I sure have though!)

Sounds like a great plane! I currently have a GWS tiger moth 400 (still in box) should I get the Estarter instead? how would you compare the two?

Bigfoot21075
12-12-2006, 01:02 PM
Sounds like a great plane! I currently have a GWS tiger moth 400 (still in box) should I get the Estarter instead? how would you compare the two?

The Tiger moth 400 is a great plane, BUT it is fragile! You have to reinforce the landing gear right off. I have had mine for just over a year and it is a fun flyer - this is NO beginner plane though.

firemanbill
12-12-2006, 01:26 PM
I've never flown a TM but I'd agree with bigfoot. It doesn't look as sturdy as the esarter does. I'm sure it's a fine plane but the estarter would be my choice

Solid Hit
12-12-2006, 01:57 PM
I had a TM then moved to the Stearman. They have ample wing area due to it having two wings but it is not as stable as an E-starter will be. The Stearman flies beautifully; I've been flying one all summer and love it but you need to fly it in with a little power not just direct it's glide on landing.

I made a brace going from the front axles to the rear wing screw to make the landing gear very sturdy. As it was said before, that is the weak point of the plane (and many others too).

wattflyer6161
12-12-2006, 02:54 PM
so it sounds like the E-starter is the way to go. When i build it, is there any steps i need to do that are not included in the directions? Is there any steps I shouldn't do that are included in the directions?

firemanbill
12-12-2006, 10:30 PM
so it sounds like the E-starter is the way to go. When i build it, is there any steps i need to do that are not included in the directions? Is there any steps I shouldn't do that are included in the directions?

no it's really a pretty straight forward build once you get over the translation or lack thereof... lol... If you run into any hurdles just give out a shout.

one thing they don't explain is about their glue, which is like a contact cement. when putting stuff together with it apply the glue, fit the pieces and pull them back apart for a few miunutes. then when tacky put them together and they will be stuck for good.

mpotter187
12-12-2006, 10:56 PM
so it sounds like the E-starter is the way to go. When i build it, is there any steps i need to do that are not included in the directions? Is there any steps I shouldn't do that are included in the directions?

Good choice I learned ailerons on this plane as well. I used a 3S 1350 LIPO in it with a GWS outrunner brushless motor plenty of power. Just keep the throttle low at first and enjoy the super long flight times. My only tip is fit the battery before glueing the fuselage its much easier to cut the foam out. Cut it a little bit longer as well so you can move the battery around more to get the COG right. Don't bother with the battery door its too narrow to fit 3S lipo just use velcro or another method to secure it.

wattflyer6161
12-13-2006, 02:56 AM
thanks for all the advice! I might be able to get the E-starter this saturday!

firemanbill
12-13-2006, 03:03 AM
thanks for all the advice! I might be able to get the E-starter this saturday!

Cool! keep us psoted on the progress. I'm sure you will enjoy it!

herk_1
12-14-2006, 05:50 PM
I've been investigating getting the E-starter down the road as a possible first ARF build, paired with a serious radio like a Spektrum, but everyone recommends against getting the 400 motor, and that's the motor that everyplace that sells the E-starter kit uses. :confused:

Twizter68
12-14-2006, 07:10 PM
With the E-Starter, you want to do sone fuse reinforcement; run a piece of CF rod from the nose to the tail on both halves before you glue the fuse together (on the inside, not outside like I did; DOH!), and secure with PU glue; that should prevent the nose from crumpling horribly if you nose it in from 75 ft....like I did after a hawk mistook it for something tasty! Also, figure out a way to keep the tailwheel from wobbling, the stock wire is pretty weak!

AEAJR
12-14-2006, 09:54 PM
I've been investigating getting the E-starter down the road as a possible first ARF build, paired with a serious radio like a Spektrum, but everyone recommends against getting the 400 motor, and that's the motor that everyplace that sells the E-starter kit uses. :confused:

No problem with the 400 motor. What do they suggest, a brushelss?

No need to do that right away. You can upgrade it later. The 400 motor is cheap and makes it easy for you to get into the air quickly and cheaply.

herk_1
12-15-2006, 12:10 AM
No, not brushless, just talking about brushed motor configurations, there is for example an extensive E-starter thread here (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362969&pp=15) where the 350 always seems to be recommended over the 400, e.g. because of the 400 being very heavy, of having poor power-to-weight ratio, or of causing excessive nose-heaviness which ends up having people add dead weight to the tail to get the c.g. where it's supposed to be, and so on. Some people in that thread have even bought kits with the 400 motor and then bought a 350 separately and just set aside the 400 motor and not used it (which in addition to the wastefulness, I suppose takes some knowledge of which prop/gearbox/battery etc. to use when making a substitution like that). Even uptopic in this thread, Sky Sharkster mentioned the plane as coming with a "370" brushed motor (hmmmm...where?).

wattflyer6161
12-17-2006, 02:24 AM
Hey, I got my Estarter today!
I've begun to build it but have a question.It says to Insert the hinges on the ailerons. What are the hinges? Where are the hinges?

firemanbill
12-17-2006, 02:44 AM
they are thin white plastic looking thingies...

cut a slit in both pieces with a really sharp exacto blade and slip in the "hinges" with a little foam safe ca or the supplied gws glue

Sky Sharkster
12-17-2006, 02:57 AM
Hello W/F6161, the GWS kits come with a small strip of white paper-like material that's cut into small rectangles. It's pretty tough, hard to tear. Those are the hinges. Personally, I don't like'm, but others have used the stock material with no problem. I generally use DuBro "CA hinges, applied with epoxy. First cut matching slits into the wing and ailerons, I believe the instructions show the location. If not, 3 or 4 per wing panel should be enough, evenly spaced along each aileron. Don't put the first one too close to the torque rod hole, it will weaken that area too much, move it outboard a little. If you don't want to use epoxy, "foam Safe" CA will work.
To Herk 1, you're right, I mentioned a "370" since that's the motor size on our club trainer "E-Starter" (37mm). That's the measurement of the "can" length in mm. We call all these "Speed 400" motors. I believe at one time they even used a "Speed 300" which is 28mm length. The GWS size descriptions don't make much sense to me, since they all look like "400"s. It may be a voltage rating difference, but that wouldn't account for a weight difference. Maybe heavier magnets?
Ron

wattflyer6161
12-17-2006, 04:01 PM
Thanks!
They need to make that more clear.

wattflyer6161
12-17-2006, 04:45 PM
I have another question. How do you link the wing struts from the wing to the fusalage? Is this necessary?

Sky Sharkster
12-17-2006, 04:52 PM
Hello W/F6161, My opinion is the struts on the E-Starter are a waste of time. I tried them at first, using the clevis' they supply, but have flown dozens of times without them, no problem. This is also true of the several other E-Starters in our club, most have been upgraded with brushless, LiPos, etc. No struts, never a wing failure.
Most, including myself, use the wing bolts as a hold-down, but the rubber bands work the same way.
Unless you crash badly, in which case the struts won't help, anyway!
Ron

Airhead
12-21-2006, 06:39 PM
Regardless of what I might think, what I actually did was hack one together from various parts at hand (except for a motor, which I bought). And the more I think about it, the more I suspect something like this is really a pretty good idea.

http://timocharis.com/doodles/planes/nippy/index.html

Worked for me!


Dave

Morning Dave,

I've had some scratch built (parts from various aircraft that had pilot error) glo fuel control line planes that looked somewhat similar to yours and most of them flew really well. The appearance of your plane sure brings back some memories. Good Job.

Bruce

wecky
12-25-2006, 07:03 PM
Is there a way to check the aileron trim in the Space Scooter before you fly?This is my first aileron equipped plane,she went in the ground to the left 3 times this Chistmas Morning.I thought I had her trimmed ok but Boom!!!No damage,though I'm feeling a little gunshy of it right now.My new Ready to fly fun Predator flew flawlessly,just like my old T-Hawk and Skyseeker so this morning was not all bad.Merry Christmas to all!Thanks.

rahtware
12-26-2006, 05:36 AM
Is there a way to check the aileron trim in the Space Scooter before you fly?This is my first aileron equipped plane,she went in the ground to the left 3 times this Chistmas Morning.I thought I had her trimmed ok but Boom!!!No damage,though I'm feeling a little gunshy of it right now.My new Ready to fly fun Predator flew flawlessly,just like my old T-Hawk and Skyseeker so this morning was not all bad.Merry Christmas to all!Thanks.

If it goes down and to the left trim the left aileron "down" as that will raise the left wing when flying. Part of the problem is it might (also) be your motor trim. With a tractor (front) motor it should point down and to the right a tad.

I need to add that some planes (Stryker) need a bit of up trim for launch, but need to have this removed after the plane is up to speed.

wattflyer6161
12-27-2006, 10:01 PM
Hello,
I have completed my E-starter and took it out to fly! I had about three succesful flights before I lost control and crashed. There was minor damage to the plane but I destroyed the white cone that covers the motor. Can I fly without it?

rahtware
12-28-2006, 07:12 AM
Hello,
I have completed my E-starter and took it out to fly! I had about three succesful flights before I lost control and crashed. There was minor damage to the plane but I destroyed the white cone that covers the motor. Can I fly without it?

You should have no problem flying without the spinner (cone). When you say 'successful' was the plane in control? Did you have to hold a stick to the left or right, forward or back for the plane to fly straight? A trainer (like the E-Starter) should fly straight and level with the throttle set at about mid-way (half throttle). If the plane, under 1/2 to 2/3 throttle was falling off or climbing to the left or right then it wasn't in trim and would be harder to fly.

AEAJR
12-28-2006, 01:02 PM
You should have no problem flying without the spinner (cone). When you say 'successful' was the plane in control? Did you have to hold a stick to the left or right, forward or back for the plane to fly straight? A trainer (like the E-Starter) should fly straight and level with the throttle set at about mid-way (half throttle). If the plane, under 1/2 to 2/3 throttle was falling off or climbing to the left or right then it wasn't in trim and would be harder to fly.

rahtware is exactly right.

A key to your success is a plane that flies correctly, otherwise you are fighting the plane's problems rather than flying it. This is where an experienced pilot can be so VERY helpful.

Many of new pilots who have come to me for help struggle to keep their planes in the air. So I give them a try. You know what? I struggle to keep their planes in the air too.

Either the CG is off or there is a miss alligned surface or something like that. Once I make the corrections, they progress quickly.

No one is saying your plane is not in trim but you need that target to work toward and rahtware gives you a good one.

Once you climb to height, say 100 feet, flying a trianer plane, you should be able to pull back to about 1/2-2/3 throttle and take your hands off the sticks. If all is trimmed right, in CALM AIR, the plane should fly straight and level and hold its altitude. If it does not, there is a problem and you must correct it.

I trim my Aerobird as well as all my electric planes so they fly like this. Even my gliders, which have no motors, are trimmed in this way, forgetting that they don't have motors for a second.

Just confirm your plane can do this. :D

wattflyer6161
12-28-2006, 07:22 PM
My plane is able to fly streight and the CG is where it needs to be. My crash was just a result of bad piloting.

rahtware
12-28-2006, 08:44 PM
My plane is able to fly streight and the CG is where it needs to be. My crash was just a result of bad piloting.

No no no... Not due to "bad piloting", but it was simply the "learning curve"...
Bad piloting takes many years of flying to achieve.:D

gordonh
01-02-2007, 04:15 PM
Eddy, go to zaginuts,com they have free planes that you can build from blue foam fold cheep&almost in distrcuble i have ,a advenger&a zaggo flying wing they both fly reaally smooth. Iwent brussless on advenger& it is to fast for my old reflexs.enjoy gordonh

wattflyer6161
02-04-2007, 11:33 PM
Hello,
my estarter is working great!
I have had many successful flights with no crashes.
I do have a problem though.
Many hard landings caused my landing gear to become weak.
I tried to bend a new one but i did not succede and my hobby store does not carry them
Does anyone know where i can purchase (online) just the landing gear for the plane?
Thanks

LannyG
02-07-2007, 01:21 AM
Hello,
my estarter is working great!
I have had many successful flights with no crashes.
I do have a problem though.
Many hard landings caused my landing gear to become weak.
I tried to bend a new one but i did not succede and my hobby store does not carry them
Does anyone know where i can purchase (online) just the landing gear for the plane?
Thanks

I'd get a slightly thicker piece of music wire from the hobby shop and bend a new one. Get a couple of pieces of the wire (they're cheap) so in case you mess up you can have a second chance. Access to a friend's vise, a hammer, and some larger pliers makes it really easy. Its easy once you get the hang of it. And the new gear will be stronger than the old one.
LannyG

ElectricFlyGuy
03-17-2007, 04:29 AM
YES!!! The E-Starter! This is a great first plane. Easy to fly and very educational as far as teaching you the fundamentals of flying.. ;)


I agree with Sky. The E-Starter is a great aileron trainer.

wattflyer6161
04-01-2007, 05:18 AM
hi,
I've pretty much mastered my Estarter and and i am looking for a good jet. Does anyone have any suggestions?

rahtware
04-01-2007, 12:18 PM
Check out the Stryker threads... Heck of a lot of fun at 35 to 100 actual MPH!!! And lands easy...

AEAJR
04-01-2007, 03:12 PM
I presume you are talking about an electric jet like plane, not a turbine powered jet.

Do you have a preference for a ducted fan or can it be a prop. Scale or something like a Stryker, which is not a jet but is jet like in its appearence.

wattflyer6161
04-04-2007, 05:02 PM
im just looking for an electric jet
duct fans or proppellar

trumpetmic
05-02-2007, 07:26 AM
HUMBLE BEGINNINGS

I recently started flying RC, a few months ago, with the Aero Ace Biplane, then I got a Stormlauncher...


THE NEED FOR MORE

The need for more excitement began to grow...

Then I found a great deal on craigslist for a JR6102, a Slowstick and an Estarter. At the time, I knew nothing about either one, but the add said "brushless", which I HAD heard about. :) So I grabbed it.

The local hobby shop sold me a common sense rc 2000MAh 3s 11.1v batt to power the slowstick with brushless park 370. What a blast! :D ...till my buddy took it in for a nosejob. :(


So...

I moved the brushelss 370 and friends (which thankfully survived the crash) over to the estarter. Just threw the gear in there, and flew. Has anyone seen an estarter go vertical and stay that way for minutes at a time? WHAT A HOOT! :D I must have lucked out on CG and trim because it flys straight.


THE BUMMER IS...

Not even 4 days into the fun, I was out flying in the field by the office on my lunch hour, showing off for some co-workers, when halfway through a third consecutive loop, one guy says "did something just go flying out of your plane?"

Suddenly the motor stopped and I lost control over the plane. It was pretty high, so it ended up gliding quite a ways away... my friend and I chased it across town and ended up retrieving it from a parking lot a few blocks away from the field. Minimal damage to the plane... missing battery. Doh! I didn't strap it in well enough. Total newbie move. :D Guess I learned that lesson the expensive way.

Just now ordered another lipo from common sense rc online. Seems like a good deal... ($24.00 plus $6.00 shipping to Denver Colorado)

Can't wait to fly it again.

I'm already thinking of the next plane... Funjet? Stryker? Formosa? Strong Launcher Conversion? Wing? 3D something or rather? I know I'm ready for some ailerons, elevons or something to that flavor... I WANNA ROLL!

Ideas? Suggestions?

Mike in Denver

rahtware
05-02-2007, 09:37 AM
Mike in Denver I vote for the Stryker, But don't buy the RTF as the radio equipment is junk. You can put one together from parts for under $50 + glue, paint, and some double sided tape!

The parts listing is at: http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/RelatedParts.aspx?ProdID=PKZ4200&Category=Parts%20Listing
Order the :

Bare Fuselage (Unpainted):
Clevis & Pushrod(2):
Vertical Fins w/Tape (2):
Fin Retainer(2)& Landing Skid:
Complete Hatch Set:
Elevons w/Control Horns:
Motor Mount:

If you don't want to go to the trouble of building your own, for $160 you can buy the Plug and Play Stryker C.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=PKZ4275

You do have to have elveron mixing on your radio.

Luck

stinkweed007
05-02-2007, 10:31 AM
gotta love that Wing Dragon/Beginair 4Ch... but ya'll are getting used to me saying that..