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Angler-Hi
02-02-2008, 06:26 PM
Well, I went out today to maiden my PZ FW-190. I did everything to make sure everything was good to go. I did my pre-flight checks, range test and checked the CG. Good to go. I throttled her up and tossed her out. She went straight up!! I trimmed her the best I could and had to give her alot of down elevator just to keep her level. I finally got the hang of her but wasn't comfortable flying her. It took me a while to bring her down to landing altitude (about 8-10ft). I went to bring her lower and start to throttle down...then a bunch of doves flew right up in front of her and I let go of the right stick and she went straight up. I couldn't tell if I hit one of those birds or not, but there were lots of feathers. She went up and I could not get control of her. She came straight down into the ground from about 30 ft up.

I guess the first thing I should have done was add the extra prop nut that came with it. I checked the CG and everything seemed to be good. It was pretty obvious that that extra nut would have more than likely leveled her out....I forgot all about it. I guess that's what I get for overlooking it.

GreenAce92
02-02-2008, 06:29 PM
Did you check thrust angle? And also the tailwing? that could be your problem, im sorry to hear about your crash but i bet you cant fix it though and get her back in the air alittle hot glue and packaging tape.

Angler-Hi
02-02-2008, 06:35 PM
Did you check thrust angle? And also the tailwing? that could be your problem, im sorry to hear about your crash but i bet you cant fix it though and get her back in the air alittle hot glue and packaging tape.

I had to shim the tail fin to align with the wing. As far as thrust angle, I don't know anything about that. I have a real good feeling that not putting that extra prop nut on there was my mistake.

Mike

GreenAce92
02-02-2008, 07:08 PM
Hold on ill draw you a diagram, if the tailwing is aligned with the wing then you should be fine. Ill draw the diagram here ill post it in a sec.

GreenAce92
02-02-2008, 07:18 PM
Well there are 2 different thrust angles. The first is top view thrust angle. This is mostly for counteracting the torque of the prop. So if your prop is spinning to the right your plane will want to go left so you will put the motor at an offset to the right about 3 degrees. the one im talking about now that affects your parkzone FW190 is the horizontal view thrust angle. As you can see on the diagram. If you have a pretty powerfull motor alot of times you will need down thrust wich just means your putting the motor downwards. this doesnt just affect the speed of climb rate but it also affects teh way your plane flys, if you have it level or high your plane will drag its tail. If you have it down, going the same distance as your wing is at its AOA it will fly level. I think thats right ill see if somebody needs to correct me but im pretty sure thats how it works. It could be just that the FW190 has good power so it shoots straight up and you need to fly at 1/2-3/4 throttle. But i dont think so.

Angler-Hi
02-02-2008, 08:39 PM
Thanks Ace, I'll definitely look into that. I gues I wasn't really thinking about any of that, due to it being a RTF. The manual suggested to fly it at about full throttle until time to land.

I was shaking the entire time I was flying her. There wasn't a single moment that felt comfotable while she was in the air.

GreenAce92
02-02-2008, 08:46 PM
I was shaking the entire time I was flying her. There wasn't a single moment that felt comfotable while she was in the air.

I dont blame ya man its a full functioning rc plane right? like it has the eliptical airfoil so it flies upside down and it has ailerons. Its one of those zero zero balancing type planes where it goes wherever you point it, its not like a trainer that rights itself up.

Grasshopper
02-02-2008, 08:48 PM
Sorry to hear about that Mike. It looks like the fuselage might be toast but I'll bet the wing can be fixed with some Gorilla glue and clear packing tape. I fixed one for my neighbor that was damaged about the same.

Fly Time
02-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Hey Mike, that looks pretty bad! Sorry to hear.

As far as thrust angle, that is something you shouldn't have to worry about in an RTF, though I have heard of people "correcting" it thinking it was a manufacturing defect.

For maiden flights, a little nose heavy is a good idea. Certainly better than a little tail heavy. Tail heavy will increase pitch sensitivity, which may be okay one you get a feel for it.

Angler-Hi
02-02-2008, 09:22 PM
Thanks guys. I'll just take this as a learning experience and keep at it. I have no intentions of letting this get the best of me nor will I quit. Besides, there's just too many of good people like you all, to not have something in common with. Thanks everyone!

P.S. I'm not gonna lie...I wanted to cry.

Mike

firemanbill
02-02-2008, 09:29 PM
I am sorry to hear that Mike. Bummer.... big time bummer.

We can all say we've been in your shoes and it is not fun. Keep at it though and take it as a learning experience. As long as you learned something, which it sounds like you did, you are better off for it.

Put all that stuff away for a couple of days and then get it back out and look at it again without the emotion involved. you may see it's not as bad as it looks. Like Tome said the fuse is pretty bad so get a new one. the rest may be able to be repaired.

You'll fly again Bro, keep your chin up!:D

Murocflyer
02-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Thanks guys. I'll just take this as a learning experience and keep at it. I have no intentions of letting this get the best of me nor will I quit. Besides, there's just too many of good people like you all, to not have something in common with. Thanks everyone!

P.S. I'm not gonna lie...I wanted to cry.

Mike


Don't worry Mike we've all been there. Every single one of us. And it gets easier after a while. I spent 6 weeks building a scratchbuilt plane only to get 3 minutes and 30 seconds of pleasure out of it. Don't worry, we all know the feeling. Glad to see you are sticking with it.

Frank

Cbman
02-02-2008, 10:40 PM
I know how you feel..........my worst was 3 in one day with only 1 being repairable. That really made me question if this hobby was for me. The thrill of a good flight and the fact that I truly enjoy the build process keeps me with it.

Chuck

Angler-Hi
02-02-2008, 11:57 PM
I Appreciate the support guys. I'll probably end up buying a new one. I still wanted to try my hand at the PZ Spit. I think I'll go ahead and buy it, but resort back to the sim for a while before I put anything back in the air. You guys are great!:)

Oh yeah, today I was in the kitchen and my wife almost bumped into my Hobbico Nexstar (sitting on the dining room table). I asked her to be careful and she said, "Why, you're just gonna crash that one too.":red:

Talk about MEAN!! At least she had a smile on her face when she said it.;)

GreenAce92
02-02-2008, 11:59 PM
nice wife!:Q
The thing you could do is find a nice soft spot somewhere where you can do a glide test. Basically throw your plane into soft bushes or somethign that wont harm it but will tel you if its balanced. Sims are good too, there are Parkzone Birds on sims on FMS but i dont know how good those are.

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 12:21 AM
Thanks Ace. I'll have to try that. I think I'm gonna be utilizing the sim for a while. Thanks for all the help.

Mike

GreenAce92
02-03-2008, 12:27 AM
What sim do you have?
teh parkzone Warbird is on here:
Its FMS though which is free,

http://gunnerson.homestead.com/files/fms_models.htm

And guess what....?... the FW190 is on there.

CHELLIE
02-03-2008, 12:39 AM
Hi Mike :ws: To really polish up your flying skills, get yourself a Hyberflea, they are almost indestructable ;-) I think i spelled that right, and they are a blast to fly, after flying a Hyberflea, there is nothing you cant fly, well almost :D here is the link to a hyberflea, Take care, Chellie

http://www.superflyrc.com/

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16901

http://www.superflyrc.com/movies/Hyp...high%20res.wmv (http://www.superflyrc.com/movies/HyperFlea,%20high%20res.wmv)

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 02:00 AM
Hi Mike :ws: To really polish up your flying skills, get yourself a Hyberflea, they are almost indestructable ;-) I think i spelled that right, and they are a blast to fly, after flying a Hyberflea, there is nothing you cant fly, well almost :D here is the link to a hyberflea, Take care, Chellie

http://www.superflyrc.com/

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16901

http://www.superflyrc.com/movies/Hyp...high%20res.wmv

Hey thanks Chellie! I just made my cart. I've already got a radio, so I've managed to save a little money there. I can't wait to give it a try!

Mike

firemanbill
02-03-2008, 02:01 AM
I Appreciate the support guys. I'll probably end up buying a new one. I still wanted to try my hand at the PZ Spit. I think I'll go ahead and buy it, but resort back to the sim for a while before I put anything back in the air. You guys are great!:)

Oh yeah, today I was in the kitchen and my wife almost bumped into my Hobbico Nexstar (sitting on the dining room table). I asked her to be careful and she said, "Why, you're just gonna crash that one too.":red:

Talk about MEAN!! At least she had a smile on her face when she said it.;)

Oh she'll get used to it after a while. Before long she won't even notice you crash!:Q

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 02:03 AM
What sim do you have?
teh parkzone Warbird is on here:
Its FMS though which is free,

http://gunnerson.homestead.com/files/fms_models.htm

And guess what....?... the FW190 is on there.

Ace, I've got FMS and RealFlight G3.5;-). I already have the PZ FW-190 on FMS. Thanks for looking out though. I'll be working on her for a while, until I build my confidence back up.

Murocflyer
02-03-2008, 02:10 AM
Oh yeah, today I was in the kitchen and my wife almost bumped into my Hobbico Nexstar (sitting on the dining room table). I asked her to be careful and she said, "Why, you're just gonna crash that one too.":red:



I usually follow up comments like with "Oh yea? Well you're just gonna get old & fat." << On the inside >>

On the outside I just say "Probably. I love you Dear." :D

Frank

firemanbill
02-03-2008, 02:16 AM
I usually follow up comments like with "Oh yea? Well you're just gonna get old & fat." << On the inside >>

On the outside I just say "Probably. I love you Dear." :D

Frank


LOL Frank!

I only have two responses fo the wife...

"Yes Dear"

and

"I love you too Honey" :Q:Q:Q

FlyingMonkey
02-03-2008, 02:41 AM
Hey Mike, Sorry to hear about your day.

I have had a few flights like that. Did you secure the tail? On my Parkzone T-28 I forgot to put the clear tape on the horizontal stabilizer and while doing touch and goes, I bumped it. It altered the position of the stab, and caused the elevator to defect downward. So, when I took off again, I was in for a bit of a ride.

I wonder if something like this happened to you, but in reverse.

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 02:59 AM
Hey Mike, Sorry to hear about your day.

I have had a few flights like that. Did you secure the tail? On my Parkzone T-28 I forgot to put the clear tape on the horizontal stabilizer and while doing touch and goes, I bumped it. It altered the position of the stab, and caused the elevator to defect downward. So, when I took off again, I was in for a bit of a ride.

I wonder if something like this happened to you, but in reverse.

Yeah I remebered to tape down the stabilizer, but I'm thinking my CG was off. I checked the CG a few times to make sure everything was good. I don't know why I didn't notice it being off. I even drew lines on the underside of the wings so I knew where to hold it at. I was either off on my calculations or I was correct and should have added that extra prop nut.

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 03:00 AM
I usually follow up comments like with "Oh yea? Well you're just gonna get old & fat." << On the inside >>

On the outside I just say "Probably. I love you Dear." :D

Frank

LOL!!!!:Q

max2112
02-03-2008, 03:50 PM
Dang, Mike.
Sorry to read about your crash. But I do know how you feel. I have walked that road twice now.
Here is th Horizon Hobby Parts-listing (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/RelatedParts.aspx?ProdId=PKZ1600&Category=Parts%20Listing&Tag=PF)page. I usually get the part number from this page and then google around for the cheapest price.:D

We are finally getting unpacked enough that our house is actually starting to look like a home now, not just a carton-factory!

Where do you go for flying? We live out in the 'Heights and I go to a nearby elementary school recess field. Hopefully we can hook up and fly soon. I am kind of constrained to flying weekends early in the morning.

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 04:02 PM
Dang, Mike.
Sorry to read about your crash. But I do know how you feel. I have walked that road twice now.
Here is th Horizon Hobby Parts-listing (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/RelatedParts.aspx?ProdId=PKZ1600&Category=Parts%20Listing&Tag=PF)page. I usually get the part number from this page and then google around for the cheapest price.:D

We are finally getting unpacked enough that our house is actually starting to look like a home now, not just a carton-factory!

Where do you go for flying? We live out in the 'Heights and I go to a nearby elementary school recess field. Hopefully we can hook up and fly soon. I am kind of constrained to flying weekends early in the morning.

Thanks. I actually fly here on post. There's a few large open areas. These areas are good for park flyers and planes that can be hand launched.

I know what you mean about being restricted to flying on the weekends and early morning. Around here, the early mornings are always the best...not very windy at all. I'll PM you about hooking up sometime to fly.

Mike

max2112
02-03-2008, 04:34 PM
Roger That, Mike.

I look forward to meeting and flying with you.

John

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 05:45 PM
Same here John.

GreenAce92
02-03-2008, 06:09 PM
Hey mike, why not take some of those UAV's for a spin?;-)

firemanbill
02-03-2008, 06:11 PM
Probly because Ft. Leavenworth is not a very friendly place!:Q

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 08:36 PM
Probly because Ft. Leavenworth is not a very friendly place!:Q

LOL!!

Angler-Hi
02-03-2008, 08:39 PM
Hey mike, why not take some of those UAV's for a spin?;-)

As cool as that may seem, it wouldn't be that fun. They aren't flown like you think they are. A computer flies them. The most interaction by an individual would be doing a series of pre-flight checks and calibrations. Other than that...all computer.

GreenAce92
02-03-2008, 08:57 PM
Those tiny handlaunch ones not a predator or global hawk. Even with the big ones arent some piloted by 2 guys one runs navigation and weapons the other flies with a joystick and through cameras from the plane? That new UAV heli is pretty cool i have seen it before. Its sweet!

Angler-Hi
02-04-2008, 04:59 AM
Those tiny handlaunch ones not a predator or global hawk. Even with the big ones arent some piloted by 2 guys one runs navigation and weapons the other flies with a joystick and through cameras from the plane? That new UAV heli is pretty cool i have seen it before. Its sweet!

Nope. There's a guy inside a building in front of a computer. The computer flies the bird and the guy monitors the images from the camera. I wish I could tell you more. The information I just gave you can be found on several web sites. Other than that, I have to be careful what I say...OPSEC (operational security).

I only know this first hand because I was the gunner for our Battalion commander. Once a week he would stop and see how those guys were doing. I got to see how they worked.

I was thinking about buying the rc predator. I think that would be so cool.

FlyingMonkey
02-04-2008, 05:07 AM
actually...

http://www.defense-update.com/images/casper200.jpg

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/oct/the-most-important-future-military-technologies/uav2.jpg

http://www.armyrecognition.com/Oceanie/Australie/Weapons/Skylark/Skylark_mini_UAV_Australia_01.jpg

http://www.defense-update.com/images/TACMAV-TOUGHBOOK.jpg

http://www.defense-update.com/products/t/TACMAV.htm

Angler-Hi
02-04-2008, 05:11 AM
I've never seen those. The ones I'm talking about have about an 8' wingspan and has a fuselage like a P-38, minus the dual engines, just one in the rear.

Also, those guys don't look like U.S. soldiers either.

FlyingMonkey
02-04-2008, 05:14 AM
austrailians in one pic...

GreenAce92
02-04-2008, 11:29 AM
Well i saw those mini UAV's on the military channel. I saw how the miltary guys would have those mini ones for aerial observations. It would be basic but it carried infrared cameras, regular cameras and other payloads. I think it is used by the military it might be just for infantry or something im not sure, i even saw the commercial of alot of rc stuff they use, and i saw a guy with the army colors on and throwing one.

GreenAce92
02-04-2008, 11:30 AM
That last pic FlyM looks like the one that can morph its wings? Is it by chance or not? i saw a show for policemen for reconnaisance birds and they had rc planes that had morphing wings. They had a fast roll rate.

FlyingMonkey
02-04-2008, 01:21 PM
I'll go with chance. I was just googling "military UAV"

FlyingMonkey
02-04-2008, 01:58 PM
This is the one I was thinking of...

http://media.npr.org/blog/sep/01/uav540.jpg

This guy has the controls

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/news/1998/01/980118c.jpg

for this plane...

http://www.livingroom.org.au/uavblog/MQ-5B.jpg


here you go...

http://www.mcwl.usmc.mil/images/photogallery/UAS/DragonEye/de.jpg


still not using lipo's though...

http://www.onr.navy.mil/media/releases/image_gallery/images/uav_1.jpg

what any of this has to do with a destroyed PZ FW-190, I don't know, but, I am easily distracted.

pburt1975
02-04-2008, 02:00 PM
You'd think with the money the military invests in these kind of crafts, they'd be trying to get the most out of it. But then, are you sure those aren't A123s? they look big for nicad/nimh cells.

Bill G
02-04-2008, 05:44 PM
Well, I went out today to maiden my PZ FW-190. I did everything to make sure everything was good to go. I did my pre-flight checks, range test and checked the CG. Good to go. I throttled her up and tossed her out. She went straight up!! I trimmed her the best I could and had to give her alot of down elevator just to keep her level. I finally got the hang of her but wasn't comfortable flying her. It took me a while to bring her down to landing altitude (about 8-10ft). I went to bring her lower and start to throttle down...then a bunch of doves flew right up in front of her and I let go of the right stick and she went straight up. I couldn't tell if I hit one of those birds or not, but there were lots of feathers. She went up and I could not get control of her. She came straight down into the ground from about 30 ft up.

I guess the first thing I should have done was add the extra prop nut that came with it. I checked the CG and everything seemed to be good. It was pretty obvious that that extra nut would have more than likely leveled her out....I forgot all about it. I guess that's what I get for overlooking it.

After reading what happened on launch, it really annoys me that these ARF/RTF manufacturers won't put the MOST CRITICAL instructions in the manuals.
For example, my GP Hellcat did the same exact thing on maiden launch, but came straight back down. Fortunately, it was over 2 foot tall grass, and it is still around with a good 100 flights on it. The point is that the manual would have been better if it was only a postcard size leaflet, with the 1 piece of critical info on the plane:
The elevator has an assymetric airfoil shape. When setting the elevator NEUTRAL POSITION, the bottom MUST be set FLAT, and the top should look like a smooth CURVED AIRFOIL.
That's it. There's the only real piece of info you need to have successful flights and launches with the GP Hellcat, but its not in the instructions. After that, I've never had a bad launch. To confirm this, others had reported the same "striaght up, holy crap":eek: launches, before figuring out this elevator trim issue.

FlyingMonkey
02-04-2008, 06:43 PM
After reading what happened on launch, it really annoys me that these ARF/RTF manufacturers won't put the MOST CRITICAL instructions in the manuals.

What gets me with these RTF manufacturers is that they are marketing these advanced planes to people who are not experienced pilots.

There is absolutely NO reason to package a radio with a warbird.

Anyone with enough skills to fly a low wing aerobatic plane, would have their own radio.

Angler-Hi
02-04-2008, 09:02 PM
The radio that came with that FW-190 was crap anyway. I sure am glad I didn't spend the money to make any kind of an upgrade. Think I'm gonna just stay with the high-wing trainers like the super cub and my sim for right now. My Hobbico Nexstar is a high wing trainer, but she's made of balsa, and I'm not ready or have the confidence right now.

P.S. Hijacking my threads doesn't really bother me guys. So if you want to talk about UAVs and what not, feel free. I'm simple.

FlyingMonkey
02-04-2008, 09:49 PM
We could always start a new thread about UAV's...

Nice try, attempting to get us off the topic of you destroying that beautiful plane. :D

Just come on over here Mike, I'll get you flying.

No, really, it will work. You will do the flying, I'll do all the crashing.

firemanbill
02-04-2008, 09:50 PM
Mike go for the Nexstar. It is a good flying aircraft and not as susceptible to the wind as the supercub.

Plus a Balsa plane is a lot tougher than foam... (reference the video of the Jenny). They can take a lot of beating that will snap foam in half.

Foam planes are great don't get me wrong, but in my experiences I've seen a balsa plane come out of a inopportune landing with minimal damage that would have destroyed a foamie.

Fly Time
02-04-2008, 09:56 PM
Solid foam is easy to break but also easy to repair. Hollow foam (like the 190) is easy to break and hard to repair. Balsa is strongest, but requires a little more effort and skill to repair.

Angler-Hi
02-05-2008, 12:11 AM
Ok, so are you guys saying I should try my hand at the Nexstar? To be perfectly honest, I'm afraid to fly almost anything right now. That Nexstar is a $400.00 plane. I think I'm gonna get with Max2112 and see if he'll help me maiden her. What do you think?

firemanbill
02-05-2008, 12:13 AM
I think that is an excellent idea. An experienced pilot will help you more than you can imagine!

Angler-Hi
02-05-2008, 12:17 AM
Thanks Bill!

Fly Time
02-05-2008, 12:23 AM
I think that is an excellent idea. An experienced pilot will help you more than you can imagine!
From my own relatively recent experience, Bill is 110% correct! Having someone there to help is very useful, plus it's more fun than flying by yourself.

But regardless, do get back on the horse soon. You have a Super Cub? Take it out and fly a couple batteries through it. Have yourself a nice relaxing hour of stick time flying a plane you know well, then next time out give the Nexstar its maiden flight. It's gotta be easier than the 190!

Angler-Hi
02-05-2008, 12:29 AM
From my own relatively recent experience, Bill is 110% correct! Having someone there to help is very useful, plus it's more fun than flying by yourself.

But regardless, do get back on the horse soon. You have a Super Cub? Take it out and fly a couple batteries through it. Have yourself a nice relaxing hour of stick time flying a plane you know well, then next time out give the Nexstar its maiden flight. It's gotta be easier than the 190!

Thanks for the advice. I think that's what I'll do.

firemanbill
02-05-2008, 12:33 AM
Very good advice Doug. Fly what you know you can fly to get your confidence up again. And yes, it will be MUCH easier than the 190!

Angler-Hi
02-05-2008, 01:00 AM
That's what I'm really wanting to work on...my confidence. It will be good to get Max2112 to help me.

Airhead
02-05-2008, 01:03 AM
Very good advice Doug. Fly what you know you can fly to get your confidence up again. And yes, it will be MUCH easier than the 190!
yup,
good idea. Sometimes we all can use a confidence boost after we have an "incident" ::o

max2112
02-05-2008, 02:02 AM
Ok, so are you guys saying I should try my hand at the Nexstar? To be perfectly honest, I'm afraid to fly almost anything right now. That Nexstar is a $400.00 plane. I think I'm gonna get with Max2112 and see if he'll help me maiden her. What do you think?

Mike,
That sounds good to me. Let's keep an eye on the wind forecast. What do you think about trying to hook up Saturday morning? And oh, yeah... definitely bring the cubby!
I have a balsa L-19 Bird-Dog that I have to put together soon. Maybe we could do the maiden flights together!

John

Angler-Hi
02-06-2008, 03:41 AM
Mike,
That sounds good to me. Let's keep an eye on the wind forecast. What do you think about trying to hook up Saturday morning? And oh, yeah... definitely bring the cubby!
I have a balsa L-19 Bird-Dog that I have to put together soon. Maybe we could do the maiden flights together!

John

Sounds good John. I'll definitely be keeping my eye on the wind forecast. It's actually become a regular activity for me. I usually check it every morning before pt.

Airhead
02-06-2008, 03:43 AM
Hope you guys have a great time and some good flights. Let us know how those maidens go for you..:ws:

Angler-Hi
02-06-2008, 03:44 AM
Hope you guys have a great time and some good flights. Let us know how those maidens go for you..:ws:

Will do. I still have to adjust the throw on the elevator of my Nexstar. Other than that, I can't wait to fly her!

Airhead
02-06-2008, 03:45 AM
Probly because Ft. Leavenworth is not a very friendly place!:Q
Whoa...::o

FlyingMonkey
02-06-2008, 03:47 AM
Will do. I still have to adjust the throw on the elevator of my Nexstar. Other than that, I can't wait to fly her!

What radio did you get?

You might look into setting up the dual rates.

Angler-Hi
02-06-2008, 03:53 AM
What radio did you get?

You might look into setting up the dual rates.

I have the Futaba 6EXA. I haven't messed with the dual rates just yet. I already mechanically and digitally trimmed her out. I adjusted the throws per the manual, except for the elevator.

FlyingMonkey
02-06-2008, 04:02 AM
Do not, DO NOT, reset the radio with the plane facing you!

For some reason, with all the settings at default, the throttle servo is reversed, and wide open.

I cut my arm up nice thanks to that. (that and my stupidity of having a live plane aiming right at me.)

Dual rates is a must. For a long time, I was afraid to try them. I finally did, and they are great. You should, for sure, set up your ailerons for dual rates. It will make your first few flights much less white knuckled.

FlyingMonkey
02-06-2008, 04:05 AM
looking at pictures of your radio, the elevator and aileron DR are paired to the same toggle.

you should still do them, 50% wouldn't hurt.

you take off and fly with them on, and shut them off when you want to try playing some.

Angler-Hi
02-06-2008, 04:08 AM
looking at pictures of your radio, the elevator and aileron DR are paired to the same toggle.

you should still do them, 50% wouldn't hurt.

you take off and fly with them on, and shut them off when you want to try playing some.

Sure. I'll try and get that done tomorrow. I've actually been studying tonight. I have my first exam in my Philosophy class tomorrow morning.

FlyingMonkey
02-06-2008, 04:15 AM
that's deep...

Angler-Hi
02-06-2008, 04:20 AM
that's deep...

Hey...I still find the time to chat with YOU guys.:)

Bill G
02-06-2008, 05:20 AM
What gets me with these RTF manufacturers is that they are marketing these advanced planes to people who are not experienced pilots.

There is absolutely NO reason to package a radio with a warbird.

Anyone with enough skills to fly a low wing aerobatic plane, would have their own radio.
Yep, some clown once tried to say that they aren't trying to do that, and that they were sold for advanced pilots. I said if that was the case, then why do they state the skill levels as this silly Zone 1, 2, and 3 crap?
What a bunch of nonsense. They would simply say "For Advanced Pilots" like GWS does.

GreenAce92
02-06-2008, 11:07 AM
Oh yeah, i remember the name of the UAV Heli now, its called the Firescout. Its pretty sweet i got to see it assembled(the body at least no surveillance equipment. still neat though) good luck on your philosophy test mike.

Angler-Hi
02-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Oh yeah, i remember the name of the UAV Heli now, its called the Firescout. Its pretty sweet i got to see it assembled(the body at least no surveillance equipment. still neat though) good luck on your philosophy test mike.

Thanks Ace.

FlyingMonkey
02-06-2008, 11:50 PM
Yep, some clown once tried to say that they aren't trying to do that, and that they were sold for advanced pilots.



It wasn't over on your favorite forum by chance, was it?