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hoppy
12-23-2005, 03:59 AM
I've noticed that posts are being deleted in the Batteries/Chargers forum. I had posted a question asking another poster if he might be confusing chargers and power supplies when talking about linear and switching circuitry. He answered my question but those two posts and others in that thread have been deleted. Sorry, I can't tell you which thread it was since my comments and others were deleted.

Why are the threads being modified by management?

JimClark
12-23-2005, 04:11 AM
It was a thread I started here
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3065
Jim

hoppy
12-23-2005, 04:21 AM
Thanks Jim....
I wonder if this censoring of posts is Wattflyer policy and how, and when and why it is implemented.

Rugar
12-23-2005, 04:27 AM
Ive also seen some posts do the disappearing act in a few other threads. When I checked the "all my posts" section, it didn't show that I even made the post, even though I know for a fact that I did. I even started one thread that has seemed to vanish.

JimClark
12-23-2005, 04:30 AM
I wonder if it got split off to another thread as it got a little off track from my original post.
Jim

Rugar
12-23-2005, 04:45 AM
I wonder if it got split off to another thread as it got a little off track from my original post.
Jim

If it did get split off, a post should have at least been left informing of that and a link to it as well.

qban_flyer
12-23-2005, 04:50 AM
Administrators have a right to close a thread they may deem offensive and or out of line with Watt Flyer's rules. The same applies to individual posts.

That said, don't you guys think that it's possible that what is being referred to as "deletions" might just be a site software's aberration? Why not PM the Administrator to ask him?

I don't think we have a right to jump the gun and accuse the Administrator, Moderators or Watt Flyer of something that hasn't been proven to be a fact, yet.

Rugar
12-23-2005, 04:58 AM
Administrators have a right to close a thread they may deem offensive and or out of line with Watt Flyer's rules.

That said, don't you guys think that it's possible that what is being referred to as "deletions" might just be a site software's aberration? Why not PM the Administrator to ask him?

I don't think we have a right to jump the gun and accuse the Administrator, Moderators or Watt Flyer of something that hasn't been proven to be a fact, yet.

You are 100% correct Bert. Though I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I said they vanished.

watt_the?!
12-23-2005, 06:13 AM
bear with us guys...this one's causing some debate amongst the staff also...healthy yes, but debate it is. I believe that they are actual deletions....along the line of off topic (or going slightly off tangent- one of the mods got his deleted as well)..nothing that is an actual indiscretion though.

Rugar
12-23-2005, 06:17 AM
bear with us guys...this one's causing some debate amongst the staff also...healthy yes, but debate it is. I believe that they are actual deletions....along the line of off topic (or going slightly off tangent- one of the mods got his deleted as well)..nothing that is an actual indiscretion though.

Its all part of the growing process. I'm sure you guys will get your system worked out.

qban_flyer
12-23-2005, 11:31 AM
You are 100% correct Bert. Though I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I said they vanished.

Gerald,

I did not even mention names, OK?

Evidently you didn't take the time to read all the posts yourself carefully before taking to the keyboard, so I will now direct you to the one (#3) I was referring to. The word "censoring" is used on that particular one. :)
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=31316&postcount=3

hoppy
12-23-2005, 01:46 PM
Censoring - [n] deleting (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/deleting) parts (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/parts) of (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/of) publications (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/publications) or (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/or) correspondence (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/correspondence) or (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/or) theatrical (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/theatrical) performances (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/performances)

:)
I hope you recognize your mistake.

Qban Flyer

Experience is a wonderful thing.
It enables us to recognize a mistake when we make it again.

The humble GWS "Slow Stick" rules the R/C skies.

qban_flyer
12-23-2005, 02:02 PM
Censoring - [n] deleting (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/deleting) parts (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/parts) of (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/of) publications (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/publications) or (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/or) correspondence (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/correspondence) or (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/or) theatrical (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/theatrical) performances (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/performances)

:)
I hope you recognize your mistake.



Administrators have a right to close a thread they may deem offensive and or out of line with Watt Flyer's rules.

Call it censoring, deletions, posts modifications or whatever you may wish to call it. They have a right to do so if they so choose, which is not what I believe happened in this instance. I'd suggest you read the Watt Flyer rules, hoppy.

Gratuituosly accusing Watt Flyer of "censoring, deletion and or posts modifications" without proof is not a nice thing to do or to post. That is exactly what you did on your post without bothering to check with Marc and or Mike to see if there was an internal software problem.

Whether anyone likes it or not, I stand by what I posted in their defense. No mistake made by me.

PS: I'd respectfully request that you refrain from using my signature on your replies to my posts. If you need to quote me, please feel free to do so, just LEAVE my sig out of your reply as it makes appear as if I am replying to my own posts.

Thank you.

spark
12-23-2005, 03:06 PM
There were most definitely several posts deleted from that thread, as was mentioned by the moderator who deleted them. There was NO software error. The posts were a little off-topic but still contained useful info about chargers and charging of lipos. The posts were deleted by none other than the infamous Greg Covey of RCG shame, who apparently still likes to 'delete' things.

hoppy
12-23-2005, 03:33 PM
qban, settle down - read post 9 - there was no software problem. The issue is, what is the WattFlyer policy regarding deletion of thread content, not if they have the authority to do it. When is it permissible? What are the guidelines for deletions? Is it a one person decision? etc. etc.

qban_flyer
12-23-2005, 03:59 PM
qban, settle down - read post 9 - there was no software problem. The issue is, what is the WattFlyer policy regarding deletion of thread content, not if they have the authority to do it. When is it permissible? What are the guidelines for deletions? Is it a one person decision? etc. etc.

Hello Hoppy,

I am more than settled down. Matter of fact, probably more so than many in this entire forum.

The post you refer to is two (2) posts after my original one (#7). It would be extremely difficult for anyone to guess what a subsequent poster is going to type. Not even I can pull that one off.

Post #9 also states that one of the moderators had his post deleted as well. I have yet see a moderator come here on this thread and complain about the deletion.

Gerald, on post #11 agreed with me regarding moderator's right to opt for deletions, censoring, etc. The deleted posts in question could have been way off topic for them to have been deleted. It is the moderator's
prerrogative whether to do so or not. I have had at least six of mine deleted in the past because they were "off topic" in the particular threads where they were posted.

The alleged deletion culprit is identified on post #14 as Greg Covey. I have never met Greg Covey, and though we have locked horns on occasion here at Watt Flyer, we have always remained civil to one another.

I gave my assessment of what the situation could have been two posts before a plausible explanation was given. Perhaps a clarification by one of the higher ups is in order regarding this particular subject.

In the meantime I think we all should remain civil to one another, lest we wish for Watt Flyer to turn into a clone of "the other site".

hoppy
12-23-2005, 04:04 PM
qban,
In post #13, you are still talking about a software problem.
The issue is what are the guidelines....aren't you curious?

Rugar
12-23-2005, 04:05 PM
There were most definitely several posts deleted from that thread, as was mentioned by the moderator who deleted them. There was NO software error. The posts were a little off-topic but still contained useful info about chargers and charging of lipos. The posts were deleted by none other than the infamous Greg Covey of RCG shame, who apparently still likes to 'delete' things.

How do you know it was Greg that deleted the posts? :confused:

qban_flyer
12-23-2005, 04:09 PM
qban,
In post #13, you are still talking about a software problem.
The issue is what are the guidelines....aren't you curious?

Perhaps a clarification by one of the higher ups is in order regarding this particular subject.

The second sentence of the next to last paragraph in my previous post addresses that very issue. It is pretty obvious you did not read the entire post before taking to the keyboard hoppy.:confused:

spark
12-23-2005, 05:08 PM
How do you know it was Greg that deleted the posts? :confused:


He left a message as the last post in that thread saying that the other posts were being deleted and the thread was being closed, by him.

When the thread was then reopened, his last post was removed, but the deleted posts are still gone.

Pretty simple, eh?

Rugar
12-23-2005, 05:23 PM
He left a message as the last post in that thread saying that the other posts were being deleted and the thread was being closed, by him.

When the thread was then reopened, his last post was removed, but the deleted posts are still gone.

Pretty simple, eh?

Gotcha.
I wasn't on when that happened so I didn't see Greg's post.
Thanks for clearing it up for me.

hoppy
12-23-2005, 05:36 PM
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The second sentence of the next to last paragraph in my previous post addresses that very issue. It is pretty obvious you did not read the entire post before taking to the keyboard hoppy.:confused:

Your second sentence - "Perhaps a clarification by one of the higher ups is in order regarding this particular subject."

Isn't that what I asked for in the initial post on this thread? "Why are the threads being modified by management?"

I'm glad you have finally seen the light.:)

Rugar
12-23-2005, 05:49 PM
Come on guys, lets just let management take care of this. I'm sure Marc will get it handled. This is the Holiday season so everyone please just cheer up and chill out! :D

Merry Christmas ALL! Or Happy Holidays to all you politically correct folks.;)

hoppy
12-23-2005, 06:00 PM
Couldn't agree with you more......
Merry Christmas, Happy Hollidays, ETC. to one and all.
hoppy

watt_the?!
12-23-2005, 06:15 PM
ok guys...its handled...we take this seriously as to not offend anyone...but please remember that each staff member has an interpretation plus their own set of standards.

the post and comments are communicated this via the mod (private) forum and get at least a second opinion before actioning.

we also intend to inform of the decisions.

I hope this makes sense. please post again if you need clarification and ill do my best to convey it.

Tim.

qban_flyer
12-23-2005, 09:28 PM
Your second sentence - "Perhaps a clarification by one of the higher ups is in order regarding this particular subject."

Isn't that what I asked for in the initial post on this thread? "Why are the threads being modified by management?"

I'm glad you have finally seen the light.:)

You know what hoppy?,

I am too old and too tired to engage you in a p---ing match on this forum regarding this issue. Have it whichever way you want it.
If you are in need of an argument, go elsewhere and see if you can find one, you won't get one from me here. Get it?

You think you won? Fine, for I care not about what you think, but what I do think and believe.

You think you brought me around to see this perceived problem from your point of view? Fine too. I know where I stand, and I can assure you that it's not where you "think" you may have brought me to. Get it?

admin
12-23-2005, 10:43 PM
I'm involved in it. Also I am checking the system which should be setup to not allow hard deletions by anyone other than me just for safety and so we have a record at all times.