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7car7
06-17-2008, 06:25 AM
So, I had this poor little example of an Albatros DVa. It crashed too many times, was just too heavy for my skills I think.

Here's the full story of the original plane if you're interested. (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28121)

I decided to give it a second chance.
Peter Rake was so kind to email me some .dwg drawings, and I put them into a drawing program and resized, and made a few alterations for my scale.

My original upper wing was 30 inches, and the new one is 32 inches wide. Of course the chord is larger too. And the lower wing is much larger than my original lower (it was not scale at all). I calculated a 10% increase in wing area.

I then gave the revised file to a friend at work, who just so happens to have a buddy with a lazer cutter! So we cut up the wings, and they went together VERY fast and quite nicely I must say. These wings were originally designed for a much larger Albi, so I changed the spars, and whatnot.

For the lower wing, I added a carbon fiber tube (1/8). I wanted some scale dihedral, so the carbon is split in the middle, and an aluminum tube was used to join them. The spars on both wings are spruce. I really wanted to use balsa, but decided to be cautious. I want the plane light, but don't want it to break when I sneeze.::o It's now at 1.6oz. (edit - 1.3oz, 36grams - must have been a typo.)

The ailerons will be pull pull, like the full scale, and will have one single servo mounted on top of the lower wing, with the horn underneath the lower wings upper balsa skin.

The upper wing is very light, IIRC it's about 1.6oz right now with ailerons. This is no covering. Upper wing is flat.

The whole rear of the fuse is brand new. I didn't like the old one, it was all plywood. Now it's all balsa, with a few 1/64th ply re-inforcements.
It has pockets for the vert, and the skid. They are braced to the outermost sections of the fuse. The fuse now weight 7.3 oz (with ALL the gear inside, except for the battery). Before I cut the whole rear off, and replaced it, it was at 7.7oz. (no covering, no tail group). Not a huge savings, but it is a bit more scale looking, and lighter, so can't complain.

The biggest benefit so far is of course the wings. Since I'd taken tissue and put it over the "monokote", they were pretty heavy. The upper alone was about 4.6oz IIRC. Without the servos.

There is esentially VERY little left of this plane that came with the original Cedar Hobbies kit. If I have one regret, it obviously would be that I didn't just start with a nice KIT from www.AerodromeRC.com (http://www.aerodromerc.com/) or something similar. This build is such a scratch build at this point.

But I'm anxious to see it fly, should be a floater compared to how it was.

If you're still reading all this, thanks!
Chris.

Biplane Murphy
06-17-2008, 02:30 PM
subscribed....:)

WWI Ace
06-17-2008, 06:08 PM
Looks like you're off to a good start!! Steve

7car7
06-17-2008, 06:42 PM
Currently I'm building the struts. Doing the cabanes out of 1/8 carbon tubing.
I joined them together using piano wire. Where there's an intersection, I take a piece of wire, (about 1 1/4 inch long) and bend an angle in it, about 3/16 inch long. Then the other end is bent over on itself, with a very tight radius. This tight radius gets pushed into the tubing that makes the Vertical part of a "T" connection. (hope that makes sense). The other end, with the short angle bend, is pushed into the horizontal part of the "T" thru a small hole drilled into the side of the tubing. The angle is needed so the wire can be inserted in the hole, then turned at a 90* angle to lock it in there. Then I glue everything together with thin CA. Oh, the tubing is "notched" with a small round file to make more surface area also.

Seem to work real well. I did this similar style with the plane before, but just for the ends of the tubing. I would take steel wire and twist it around something to make a ring for a screw to go thru. Then put the twisted part into the tubing. This time I'm using the stiffer piano wire, and just making a ring and puting both parts back into the tube.

This method is very light, in fact when I weighed all the new carbon struts together, they were lighter than the kit's plywood struts all together. But really, it's more for looks - they hardly weigh anything anyway. I'll get some pics of the struts next.

This project is going pretty slow really, I just work on it after the kids go to bed a few times a week.

WWI Ace
06-18-2008, 12:51 AM
Sounds cool!! I would like to see the pictures of the assembly. Steve

scalercflyer
06-18-2008, 02:09 AM
Excellent work. :D Nice and light! :) Just don't cover it red! ;) Martin

7car7
06-18-2008, 03:23 PM
Excellent work. :D Nice and light! :) Just don't cover it red! ;) Martin


Thanks! No, rest easy, there'll be no red. Probably do same scheme as last time - it was really cool looking when flying - lot's of contrast...

Percyflyer
06-23-2008, 11:56 AM
Hey 7car7,

What paint did you use to simulate the wood fuse??

thanks
steve

www.hoosierdawnpatrol.com

7car7
06-23-2008, 04:29 PM
replied in the other thread ;)

7car7
07-14-2008, 06:52 PM
I haven't been very good at updating this, sorry. I always marvel at some of you guys that put a new picture up every day or so!

No pics yet, but very soon.

I finished building the tail group, came out great. Quite a bit lighter than the original scratch built tail group (that was very out of scale). I haven't covered it yet, but will soon, and I'll have some weights for that.

I covered the lower wing, and have covered the bottom of the upper wing. I'm using Silkspan and Butyrate dope. I sent the tissue through the printer, and put Lozenge patern on it. Very time consuming, and a pain in the but, but worth it I think. I'm not completely happy with it though. The colors bled quite badly, and because I'm not puting it over Mylar film like last time, it is very transparent. I also think the mylar (monokote type film) from last time helped to keep the colors from bleeding as bad. But it still has the basic look of Lozenge, and that's good enough for me. Has dark on top, and light on bottom. I think with the transparency, it will look all the same in the air, so I'll have to add some Chevrons to the bottom or something for orientation.

I must have had a typo earlier up above, because I said the lower wing was 1.6oz. It was actually 1.3oz, or 36 grams before covering. (Hope my scale isn't different each time, I'm starting to wonder - will have to test it. It's been consistent in the past.)

I sprayed the tissue with water, then tacked down the edges with dope. When the water was dry, it weighed 41 grams (1.4oz). Tissue added 5 grams to the lower wing. Then I finished the doping, and it still weighs 41/4.1. Kinda wierd. Perhaps there was some left over water in the wood, not sure. Point is, total covering job is Pretty light! I'll be treating this plane very gently in the hanger. I think some small wing tip skids are in order. Not scale, but I don't like torn up planes!

For those that have never tried using Dope on a plane, I highly recomend it, it's kinda fun, and has a great vintage look for these type of planes. Hope to get that upper wing done tonight, then I'll photograph them both, and get some pics up!

7car7
07-16-2008, 03:00 PM
here's the latest pictures.

The tail group is made mostly of 1/32 balsa, in 3 layers, going different directions of course.
I just couldn't build them without puting the little raised strips on to give it some shape.

The V struts are made of 1/32 plywood with 1/16 balsa attached to both sides.

The underside of the upper wing shows where the rigging will be attached. At the cabanes, I used wire, going through the spars, (last photo) and on the outer ends, I used Polyester wipping twine (very strong stuff) tied in a loop, and going around the spars. You can see that in the second to last picture.

So, as you can see, the covering is very transparent, but when viewed at an angle, you almost can't tell. Fortunatly, only the lower color seemed to really bleed. Top didn't seem to as much.

The original LOWER wing was 1.9oz, this new one is about 2 inches longer, and weighs only 1.4! I'm getting very excited to see this one done.

I'm very happy with the covering job, hope ya'll like it!

scalercflyer
07-17-2008, 12:04 AM
Very Sweet! :D Excellent job Pal! :) Keep it coming! :cool: Martin. BTW, I NOTICED!

7car7
07-17-2008, 02:28 PM
Very Sweet! :D Excellent job Pal! :) Keep it coming! :cool: Martin. BTW, I NOTICED!

Thanks! I'm all better now, done whining!

Percyflyer
07-17-2008, 03:11 PM
Good looking Albi. BTW your paint process was way too complex for me. I'm lazy. But I did come up with a brown at a craft store that will be close enough and I can add darker streaking to simulate the grain and think it will come out OK. Your Albi fuse looks great!!

steve

7car7
07-17-2008, 08:28 PM
Your Albi fuse looks great!!

steve

Thanks! I get to do it all over again! Should be fun.

7car7
08-08-2008, 03:11 PM
Here's another collection of shots.
Doesn't seem like I'm getting a lot of progress, this plane is taking forever! But I am getting approximately 1 hour per night on this thing believe it or not!

I had to completly rebuild the horizontal stab, this is now the THIRD ONE I've made for the rebuild, so I guess you could say it's the FIFTH one this plane has seen!
The second one, after doping, turned out like a "Pringel" Potato chip! I think the combo of the thin outer frame, and lack of spar(s), well, it was weak. The new one came out VERY strong, and, amazingly, same weight as the second one.
This new one has a wider 1/16 thick outer frame, and I used carbon fiber tubing (1/8) as spars. The rearward one with the "V" shape has a short (about 3/4") piece of wire bent to the shape, then glued inside. This "V" puts the spar into the stronger/thicker part of the rear of the fuse, and it helps with the airfoil shape. The ends of the tube are notched, and clamped down to the outer rim to make them flat. No twist, whatsoever!
Whole stab with covering and paint is 10 grams. Not super light, but I'm happy considering this is a very hard shape to get light. Square frames are easy and strong.

The fuse is mostly painted now, and I have yet to do the gray around the nose and engine. But I wanted to show the wood finish. The fuse is covered in Silkspan, (like everything else), and then given the wood look treatment. It's slightly darker than what I wanted, yet I've grown to really like it this way - looks more like an antique plane, rather than a brand new - from 1917 - plane.

Last pic is the cabanes. I mentioned them earlier, but never gave a photo - they're carbon tubing, with piano wire "hooks" put inside to lock everything together. Need to paint those too.

Thanks for looking!

scalercflyer
08-09-2008, 03:52 AM
Excellent work 7car7! :) Keep the pics coming. Martin

WWI Ace
08-09-2008, 09:30 PM
I like it!! Steve

7car7
09-02-2008, 06:10 PM
Well, it's ready to fly. After crashing my SE5a, and finally fixing it, I'm going to warm my thumbs up on it before I send 3 months averaging an hour per night up in the air.

Still have some little details to work on, like a cockpit padding, and of course the pilot, and a re-do of the nose area painting. I want to eventually put some pilot artwork on too. But most important, I've GOT to replace that engine and guns - don't quite live up to the level this plane has become IMHO....

First 2 pics show the single servo PULL PULL with differential. I was told "It won't work" "can't do that" etc... Well, it does work. No slop, no binding.
Pic one shows at rest, Pic 2 shows at full aileron. Any questions on that, just ask.

Third thru fifth pic shows the deflection of the ailerons - more up than down. Note the washout.

Sixth shot shows the wheels. I took light foam wheels from Hobby City, and applied paper cones to them. They have a hub of carbon fibre tubing.

7car7
09-02-2008, 06:32 PM
some more.

Covered up the aileron servo with tissue and dope - shouldn't need in there again - I hope.

Some details showing the rigging and aileron pull-pull setup.

barmonkey
09-02-2008, 10:17 PM
Fantastic work and engineering on the Aileron control. It's hard to believe that it's the same Plane! Well I guess 30% of it is...

Are those wheels the yellow ones with five spokes? Those wheel covers look great.

I hope you have better luck with it this time around!

7car7
09-02-2008, 10:22 PM
Well I guess 30% of it is...

Thanks! I'd think more like 10% if that! Really only about 3 inches of the fuse where the cabanes attach! All new forward and aft, and outboard, and under and over that part!

scalercflyer
09-03-2008, 11:06 PM
7Car7/Guys here is a neat way to make great looking real leather cockpit coaming. I save old shoe tongues and well worn wallets for the thin leather they contain. Figure out how long a piece/pieces you need. Cut the leather into thin strips. If needed stuff with a small piece of fuel line tubing or something similar. Start sewing the coaming to the sides of the fuselage with wide stitches. End up with a stitch or two on the end if needed or tie together the ends. Study pics of the real thing for more detail. This method produces a really cool cockpit coaming. Martin

scalercflyer
09-03-2008, 11:09 PM
Beautiful work 7CAR7! The Albatros is my next favorite German fighter next to the DRI followed by the DVIII. Can't wait for the flight report. Martin

WWI Ace
09-03-2008, 11:14 PM
Very nice rebuild!!!

scalercflyer
09-03-2008, 11:17 PM
Many aces went into battle with their favorite markings on the side of their aircraft. May I suggest that there is nothing more personal than your family coat of arms? :cool: Maybe there was never a plane so marked in the first world war. But who cares? :confused: I think it's a neat thing to do. :) One of my winter projects will have my family coat of arms emblazoned on the fuselage sides. Really puts a personal touch on your plane doesn't it? Besides when I'm flying in the war choked skies over South Jersey, those Camels will see that marking and flee!! :eek::D (pay attention degreen). Martin

degreen60
09-04-2008, 12:32 AM
One of my winter projects will have my family coat of arms emblazoned on the fuselage sides. Martin

Your coat of arms is a bullseye?

Biplane Murphy
09-04-2008, 01:30 AM
Your coat of arms is a bullseye?

LOL....Good one Degreen!!

7car7
09-04-2008, 05:00 PM
I was thinking that the leather would be on the heavy side for a plane this size, but maybe not - we are talking a pretty thin piece. Thanks for the idea!

Coat of arms is EXACTLY what I had in mind. Not only did no planes really have mine (that I know of, but who knows), but I'm going to put one on one side, and another on the other side. Mother's maiden name, and Father's mother's name - both German. (My Father's and mine are Irish, so that won't work for this one;-))
I'm just having trouble verifying one of them - Junge. Some say it's the same as Young, or Younge, but I'm not sure yet. It's POSSIBLY a white stag - which would look great on a plane. The other is known, and it's a lion with a hammer - very cool again for a fighter plane!

Yep, these are in the plans, I guess I'd just like to fly it before TOO much detail goes into it. I'm a chicken I guess!

Degreen - the bullseye comment was hilarious!:D

scalercflyer
09-05-2008, 12:30 AM
Degreen you're the one with the big round targets on your wings and fuselage! :eek::D Sorta looks to me like a good place to shoot at! :p> :D I'll put the wind up your tail yet (WWI jargon for scare the crap out of you). BTW, don't be jealous, the English had coats of arms too.....!!!!! :D Martin

scalercflyer
09-05-2008, 12:35 AM
Just for you Pal. Martin
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/jung-coat-arms.htm

degreen60
09-05-2008, 01:33 AM
Degreen you're the one with the big round targets on your wings and fuselage! :eek::D Sorta looks to me like a good place to shoot at! :p> :D I'll put the wind up your tail yet (WWI jargon for scare the crap out of you). BTW, don't be jealous, the English had coats of arms too.....!!!!! :D Martin

I was wondering when someone was going to notice the bullseyes on my planes.LOL. Yes, the english had a coat of arms. All my grandparents had english names. I think I even have the Greene coat of arms in my desk. I now spell my name Green but some of my relation has put the e back on the name. If I remember correctly the coat of arms has a shield, maybe that will stop the bullets. LOL

scalercflyer
09-05-2008, 01:47 AM
You're killing me degreen! Martin

scalercflyer
09-05-2008, 01:49 AM
Just for you degreen. Martin
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/green-coat-arms.htm

7car7
09-08-2008, 05:23 PM
Just for you Pal. Martin
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/jung-coat-arms.htm

oops, that's the English version!

Here's the German...
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/Origin.GR/qx/Jung-coat-arms.htm

and for the other side of the plane...
http://www.houseofnames.com/fc.asp?sId=&s=schmidt

scalercflyer
09-08-2008, 11:57 PM
Very cool looking COAs! I'm partial to the German side myself. Martin

7car7
09-09-2008, 03:47 PM
Very cool looking COAs! I'm partial to the German side myself. Martin

I kinda got lucky, thought they both would look great on a war plane.



In other news, I finished painting the pilot, and I installed him. No pics yet, but this is the one I used - from Williams Brothers...

http://www.williamsbrothersmodelproducts.com/rc.html

http://www.sigmfg.com/images/yy1WBR17400.jpg

I found no evidence in an Albatros book I have of German pilots having sheep skin collars, (well, at least not white ones), so the colar got the same dark brown as the rest of the coat. Gave the face a nice "patina" from oil and dirt spatter, and of course, a scarf. This is a tiny little pilot, so I'm not sure how good a photo in the plane will look. But I'll try. Sure does give a great look, every plane needs a pilot.

7car7
09-17-2008, 06:42 PM
Finally got to the field with the Albatros, but no maiden. I chickened out. There was a slight breeze on the ground that I just wasn't comfortable with. Took the SE5a up, and at 1/2 throttle it would just sit in one spot at about 200 feet up.

But I got some "field" pics. It's finally ready to fly, now that I have those!

Biplane Murphy
09-17-2008, 07:28 PM
Wow....Looks SWEET!!!

7car7
09-17-2008, 07:35 PM
Thanks!

degreen60
09-17-2008, 08:18 PM
I like all the rigging. Don't fly the Albatros when a SE5A is up, I would hate to see it get shot down.

7car7
09-17-2008, 09:39 PM
I was going to get a shot of the 2 of them sitting side by side, but figured you'd assume the Albatros was captured and about to get Roundels!

7car7
09-19-2008, 06:14 PM
I had a successful maiden last night!

Had a very difficult time getting it to go through the grass without nosing over. I've never had that problem with my GP SE5a. I'm guessing the wheels on the Albatros are a bit further back than what would be best for grass fields. I like to do scale like take-offs, but it wasn't an option. Pretty much had to give full up elevator, and full throttle to get it to leap off the grass.

Flight was relatively good, cruised around at a little over 1/2 throttle. Had a very scale like presence to it. Ailerons were not giving enough authority, so I decided to land it and increase the throws in addition to the elevator throw.

Second flight was much better. One thing about this plane that I'm not used to - it is VERY slippery in the air. Point it down, and it goes FAST! My SE5 and Tigermoth are much more draggy it seems.

Overall, it was a good 2 flights. Need to work some bugs out, and at this point, not 100% what those bugs are. Maybe a different prop, and perhaps more rear weight bias. This plane is NOT a floater, (even though it's 3oz less than before I rebuilt it), it's actually quite intense for my abilities. Will take some getting used to.

Oh, both landings gave a nice roll over onto it's top. No damage whatsoever. Will need to find a field with better grass!

Hope to get a video soon, now that I've got the first flight done, I'll let someone film it!

Biplane Murphy
09-19-2008, 08:02 PM
That is great to hear!!!!!

Congrats on the rebirth and remaiden!!

WWI Ace
09-21-2008, 10:09 PM
7car7, that is a MUCH better looking plane than what you started with!!! Congrats on the successful maiden!!! Steve

scalercflyer
09-22-2008, 01:02 AM
Congrats on your sucessful build 7car7. :) Very, very nice job on the Albatros. :) All planes have different flight characteristics. Give yourself some time to get used to her. She's a beauty. :D You did us proud. Martin

7car7
09-22-2008, 03:18 PM
I made a real simple balance tool over the weekend. Just a block of 2x4 wood, with some 1/8 steel wire sticking out at a 45* raked angle back. The ends have a 1 inch "L" bend. (90*)

Threw the Albatros on there, and even at 1/4 chord, the plane was nose heavy. 1/3 chord (only 1/2 inch away) really sent the tail in the air.

So, I've re-aranged some wires inside, and moved the battery all the way back and vertical. First flight it was laying down length wise, and on it's ORIGINAL flights it was vertical all the way to the front. That's what that little "box" under the nose is - for the battery to sit in.

Well, that box (only 2g) is now gone, and it's balancing pretty good now. The battery is very close to CG - which is cool because I don't have to worry as much about battery weight if I want to get a different one down the road.

Haven't had the chance to re-fly with the new ballance yet, but I have a couple dimes thrown into my radio bag that I can tape to the tail skid if I feel I need to. I'm dying to give it a try, I'm sure it will be way better.

Thanks SO much for the nice comments, really appreciate that!:$

degreen60
09-23-2008, 07:20 PM
I made my balance tool from coat hanger. I cut the hanger in two. Bent two legs 90 degrees that fit under wing and about the last inch is bent upward for the plane to balance on. Then I took differant colors of tape and taped 1/2 inch wide strips on the legs. Now to balance plane I simply place the legs under the wing and look at the tape when it balances for the measurement.

7car7
09-25-2008, 04:01 PM
It's the video we've all been waiting for! Well, maybe mostly me! :D

It won't win any awards, for video or flying, but here ya go.

(aint the kid cute?:))

WdSOwDnqazk

Biplane Murphy
09-25-2008, 05:18 PM
Looks like she flies nicely.:)

Your kid was funny too...:Q

7car7
09-25-2008, 05:52 PM
Flying MUCH better with the battery moved back. I didn't have much time to really test everything (slow flight, deadstick, more rear weight etc.) But I did discover that this plane flys much better than my SE5a does when using just the Rudder . Which really surprises me. ????

This plane feels VERY fast to me, (perhaps it's just because it's small, and is an illusion), but it does have sort of a floaty feel to it at the same time. Looking forward to more stick time with this one. I was a bit worried after the first flight that it was going to be a dog, but this last flight showed me how much of a difference the weight ballance can make.

Biplane Murphy
09-25-2008, 08:03 PM
Yep....I thought she was flying around real fast, but when you try slow flight etc....you will really see alot more about how she flies.

scalercflyer
09-26-2008, 03:12 AM
Congrats on the flight 7car7. :cool: She definitely flys like the real one. :) I was impressed. :D I agree with Murph. Back off the throttle and let her float a bit. I think you'll feel more comfortable flying at a reduced speed. You did a great job! What's next? ???? A DVIII maybe??? :D Martin

7car7
09-26-2008, 03:17 PM
Congrats on the flight 7car7. :cool: She definitely flys like the real one. :) I was impressed. :D I agree with Murph. Back off the throttle and let her float a bit. I think you'll feel more comfortable flying at a reduced speed. You did a great job! What's next? ???? A DVIII maybe??? :D Martin

Thanks so much!
Next? I do need to fix my Tiger Moth that my 9yo slammed into a goalpost. (buddy cord, pretty much my own fault).

And I have a spare Great Planes SE5a with damaged wings that I want to strip and re-cover with a different scheme. Also want to put it on a diet, and pretty much do to it what I did with the Albatros.

But if time was no object (lots of other hobbies - I'm spread thin) I'd really like to do either a full kit, or do another scratch build.

The Moraine Saulnier A1 really has my attention, as does a Siemens Schuckert D1 - along with the DVIII. But then I'm captivated by the thought of building a 40 inch Jenny that weighs about 18oz! And then I have to remind myself that the SPAD XIII is coming out in a few months, so, that might realistically be the next one. WHO KNOWS!

scalercflyer
09-27-2008, 12:12 AM
7car7 I have sets of plans for the DVIII. 400 size or 69"WS available to anyone who wants a copy. :eek::D:cool: Big or small it's your call. :eek: :D ;) Martin

7car7
02-02-2009, 03:46 AM
Just wanted to put the latest pics in this thread. Finally built an engine. It's made from Depron. Also, added a serial number to the tail, and did some nose detailing - little round access covers.

floss
02-02-2009, 05:39 AM
Do you fly with the LG wing like it is? Sweet looking Albe.

7car7
02-02-2009, 03:45 PM
Do you fly with the LG wing like it is? Sweet looking Albe.

Thanks!

The LG wing rotates. It swings up in flight. I suppose I should put a limiter on it somehow, looks sort of funny at rest.

rhino
02-03-2009, 12:47 AM
Nice looking details, 7c7.

7car7
01-04-2011, 05:43 PM
Some new shots at my new flying field.

dcwwcp
01-13-2011, 04:10 AM
I'm seriously loving this plane. the albatross D planes have always been the opitimy of the german WWI plane in my eyes. just an amazing creation.

I'm gonna make out of foam as soon as I get the plans...

great stuff indeed 7car7.

degreen60
01-13-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm gonna make out of foam as soon as I get the plans...


Would you like to enlarge a printed paper airplane and use it to make a foam plane? I may have one you would like. Let me know I can email you the file.

scalercflyer
01-13-2011, 02:00 PM
I'm seriously loving this plane. the albatross D planes have always been the opitimy of the german WWI plane in my eyes. just an amazing creation.

I'm gonna make out of foam as soon as I get the plans...

great stuff indeed 7car7.

What size are you looking for or doesn't it matter? Marty

scalercflyer
01-13-2011, 02:00 PM
Some new shots at my new flying field.
You did a fantastic job on the Albi Brother! marty

scalercflyer
01-13-2011, 02:08 PM
Guys I have several rubber kits( 1 -DVa 2 DRIs,1-SE5a,1-Sopwith Camel) made by Comet/Guillows. Was thinking of converting (all of them eventually) the Albatros DVa and using a Vapor brick but I'm afraid the servos might be too light to actuate the control surfaces. What do you Guys think? Maybe I'd be better off with 2-3.7 gram servos, a small lipo, 10 gram BL, and a 6110 RX. Marty

7car7
01-13-2011, 08:35 PM
I'm seriously loving this plane. the albatross D planes have always been the opitimy of the german WWI plane in my eyes. just an amazing creation.

I'm gonna make out of foam as soon as I get the plans...

great stuff indeed 7car7.

This would be a great plane to do in foam, because the real one was so smooth. Hard to do that without skinning with balsa. I think a hybrid would be great, foam body (with lightweight spackle and paint), and wood wings.

7car7
01-13-2011, 08:40 PM
Guys I have several rubber kits( 1 -DVa 2 DRIs,1-SE5a,1-Sopwith Camel) made by Comet/Guillows. Was thinking of converting (all of them eventually) the Albatros DVa and using a Vapor brick but I'm afraid the servos might be too light to actuate the control surfaces. What do you Guys think? Maybe I'd be better off with 2-3.7 gram servos, a small lipo, 10 gram BL, and a 6110 RX. Marty

Here's my thoughts, but I may not be the best to ask, since I've got no experience with the Vapor Brick deal.

I'd think if you made your planes INCREDIBLY light, you may get away with it, but the problem especially the Albatros is that they seem to come out heavier than other planes, or at least higher wing loading, and that obviously means faster flight. Faster flight may strain that lightweight gear to failure. I personally would not be happy with the lack of detail you'd get with an albatros if it were kept light enough.

Now if Comet/Guillows made a Jenny, I could definitely see doing a super light plane with the light weight gear inside. Lot's of fun for sure. It would be like a living room flyer.

BrianW517
08-06-2014, 04:47 AM
Great Flying, but not so with the camera. I got airsick watching the video.

7car7
08-19-2014, 09:36 PM
Great Flying, but not so with the camera. I got airsick watching the video.

Thanks for the comment. :rolleyes:


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