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AEAJR
01-20-2006, 06:51 PM
There are a number of free RC airplane simulators. FMS is probably the best
known. Not as fancy as the expensive ones but it works and can really help
you get comfortable with your radio, your plane and how the controls work, without breaking any wings, tails or anything else. It will also help you learn to fly the plane toward you.

The links offer FMS and other simulators plus sites that provides a cable that can connect to the trainer port on your radio so you can fly the sim using your own radio or buddy box. I also list some examples of low cost fully functional radios that can run the sim AND fly a plane. I believe buddy boxes, which are not functional radios, can also be used to run a simulator. Finally a low cost used FM radio that has a trainer port would be an excellent way to run your sim. I purchased a used Futaba conquest 4 channel FM radio for $10 to use as a buddy box and to use on a simulator.

Then there is always the chance that someone at the club will loan you an
old radio with a trainer port so you can practice.


FMS Flight simulator Home Page
Free download
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html (http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html)

Parkflyers for FMS
http://gunnerson.homestead.com/files/fms_models.htm (http://gunnerson.homestead.com/files/fms_models.htm)

Glider RC - Another sim. Have not tried it.
http://glider3d.free.fr/index_en.html (http://glider3d.free.fr/index_en.html)

CRRCsim - Free flight simulator for MacOS/Linux/Windows
(http://crrcsim.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=CRRCsim.CrrcSimFaq)
http://crrcsim.berlios.de/wiki/


ADAPTERS

Multiple Sim Cords - Simblaster

http://www.simblaster.com/ (http://www.simblaster.com/)

Sim cables and other items
http://www.clonepac.freeserve.co.uk/products.htm (http://www.clonepac.freeserve.co.uk/products.htm)

USB Simulator cables
http://www.customelectronics.co.uk/rcusb.htm


Convert a game controller to a flight sim controller
http://www.rc-airplane-advisor.com/usb-controller-flight-simulator.html (http://www.rc-airplane-advisor.com/usb-controller-flight-simulator.html)

Brand new, Low cost full function 4 channel radios that have trainer ports
that will fly your plane AND act as a simulator constoller with one of the
above adapters. These prices do NOT include servos, receivers, etc.

Hitec Laser 4 - $60

http://www.servocity.com/html/laser_4_fm_systems.html


Buddy Box with trainer cord - $35
good for SIM, but will not fly a plane by itself.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=AIRVG400TR (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=AIRVG400TR)

AEAJR
01-20-2006, 06:53 PM
A flight simulator can be a huge help in learning to fly. Here are a set of
steps I would suggest. This is all based on the free simulator FMS. If you
get one of the commercial packages, follow their directions, but the flow
should be the same.

1) Use your radio - The most benefit will come from using the actual radio you
will use for your models. Virtually all radios with 4 or more channels have a
trainer port. There are people who make cables that will allow you to hook
this trainer port to the computer. Most 3 channel and most RTF 27 MHz radios
do not have trainer ports so you can't use them for this purpose. The Hitec
Neon is a noted exception as you can add an optional trainer port to this for
about $10. If you have a commercial simulator, it may come with a two stick
trainer box. That is almost as good.

Your radio will not be transmitting so you should not
interfere with anyone. When you use the trainer port, it would normally be
passing commands to the instructor's radio which does the transmitting.

2) Select a Plane - My recommendation is to select the model called
slowfly.par. This is a 3 channel R/E/T model. You can select something
else, but I am going to work with this one for now.

3) Set-up and Calibration - If you have a PCM/PPM capable radio, your radio
must be set for PPM, which is what most people mean by FM. (Technically PCM
and PPM are both FM)

With your radio plugged in on the trainer port and plugged into the PC and
turned on, you are now going to calibrate your radio to FMS. Click on the FMS
icon. You are going to go through the set-up and calibration steps. I use
Hitec and Futaba so I will
use references to their channels. JR, Airtronics, and others use different
channel assignments, so check your manual. On hitec/futaba Roll is on
channel 1, usually ailerons. Pitch/elevator is on 2. Speed/throttle is on
channel 3. Yaw, the usual location for the rudder, is on channel 4. We will
ignore all other channels for now.

Under the controls menu, there is a place where you pick your control type.
If you are using a radio, select analog. FMS has a place where you set the
channel and stick relationships. Remember that Slowfly.par is a 3 channel
electric. We will be mapping the rudder to channel 1 as rudder will be
providing both roll and yaw. In mode 2, standard for North America, this is
on the right stick. So map the rudder on channel 1, elevator on 2 and
throttle on 3. Go through the calibration section to make sure the sticks
get the proper movement from the test screen.

All surfaces right? OK, now get out of that and see the plane on the runway.

4) Control directions - You will probably crash a bunch of times. Don't worry about it, we are trimming the plane. On a real plane you can see the surfaces move. On FMS you can't, at least not on the version I have. So pick your slowfly.par, then get your sticks mapped. Check directions. Does forward throttle give you more power? Good! If not, go back to controls and click the reverse box for channel 3. Do the same for each surface.


5) First Take-off - Trim the radio. - Make sure all your trims are centered. Give it full throttle and DON'T TOUCH THE STICKS! It should take off all by itself and fly out straight as an arrow. Move the stick left, does the plane bank left? Yes, go on. No? Check the Inv ( servos reverse ) under controls menu. Run the same test and adjust if necessary on the elevator.

At full power it should climb gently. If it lifts and tips the wings to one side or the other, you need some trim on the aileron channel, channel 1, where you have your rudder. That is the trim that goes left and right under the right stick. Input trim from the radio trim slides.

If it won't come off the ground at full throttle, give it a click or two of up
elevator trim ( move the trim toward you ). Just enough to get it to lift
slowly. If this were a 4 channel plane and it flew out level but tended to
have the tail off to one side or the other, in a crab like fashion, you need
rudder trim which would be under the left stick, but not for Slowfly.par.

Don't expect to learn much if you have not first trimmed the plane. YOU ARE
LEARNING A VERY VALUABLE PROCESS HERE. On the simulator, the plane will
probably crash many times during this process, but you are learning about trim
while you are doing this. You will have to do the same thing with your actual
plane, so this lesson on is valuable. Hopefully you can avoid crashing your
actual model during this process.

6) Set the view - I would suggest you go to view, click auto zoom. Then go to
options and set auto zoom at 25 meters and full zoom at 100 meters. Set
autozoom to slow. The goal here is to help you keep the plane in sight. We
don't want to fly far from the landing strip. Keep it close to the field.

NOW WE GET TO FLY THE PLANE!

Just like your actual model, there is work to be done before you actually fly.
While we have been doing it on a computer screen here, you should do virtually
everything we did her on your actual plane BEFORE YOU TRY TO FLY!

Remember you are standing on the runway, so if you get lost, just fly the
plane back toward yourself. You can't be hit, so don't worry about it. Your
practice is going to be to launch, fly out a little, hold altitude, then
circle and land.

The throttle is your primary control for altitude. This is also true for a
full scale plane. The lift of the wings will vary according air speed so the
faster it flies the more lift. If you look in the upper left corner of the
screen you should see a data display that shows speed and altitude.

AEAJR
01-20-2006, 06:54 PM
LET'S FLY!

Full power! Don't touch that elevator. It should lift all by iteslf. Lift and let it fly out for a few seconds, then take it into a mild left bank, then let it off, then add some more, the let it off. Keep doing this while it climbs to about 50 feet and the plane is flying parallel to the runway. If you make these small, gentle, banked turns, you should lose very little altitude. When you go level you should recover anything you lost.
You would have turned around and the runway would be behind you.

Now adjust the throttle till your altitude holds steady at about 50 feet. So
far you should not have used any elevator.

Practice your turns. Just circle the runway area at a comfortable range.
Make minor adjustments to the throttle to keep your altitude between 40 and 60
feet ( or does it say meters?) When you feel very very smooth on the turns in
one direction, then turn the other way and circle the field again. All we
want to do is feel the plane, get used to its response and learn to fly it
smoothly. Use the throttle and not the elevator to control altitude.

LANDING!

This is the hardest part to get right.

While flying parallel to the runway, fly past the end of the runway for a good
distance but keep the plane in good sight. Now turn it more sharply but still
smoothly so that it turns and aligns with the runway. You are going to fly
high but in line with the runway. Fly over the runway, over your head and
past the other end of the runway. Do this going in both directions till it is
easy to get aligned with the runway.

When you are comfortable, we can set up for a landing.

Fly out a ways then turn to align with the runway. As you approach, start
reducing throttle so you will loose altitude. See how long and how little
throttle is needed to come in at a nice angle. The goal is to have the plane
come in at a nice angle and practically land itself. Your only input should
be left and right stick to keep aligned with the runway. NO ELEVATOR!

Practice this approach till you can get the plane to come into the runway.
Just before you touch, give it a little elevator to level the plane, but just
a tiny bit. When you touch, hit full throttle and watch it climb again. NO
ELEVATOR!

You just did a touch and go! Do several of these till you know how the plane
will approach the runway.

Now, do the same thing, but just before you touch down, at very low power,
give it just a little up elevator to level it and touch down, then throttle
off and roll out. Yes, you can use the elevator, but just a little!!!!! This
is called a flair!

You have now taken off, circled the airport, controlled altitude with
throttle, turned on final to align with the runway, did a touch and go, you
flared and landed.

You are now a pilot! Congratulations.

Once you can do this, now you can go play all you like! :-)

inconel710
02-02-2006, 01:07 PM
Excellent thread. Thanks to both of you!

Idaho
02-05-2006, 02:19 AM
Ed - this post is awesome.

Aeropal - I found your link to the Spektrum thread on the FMS forum and finally got my radio working with FMS using the soundcard. What an incredible difference.

http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/forum/viewtopic.php?t=940&highlight=spektrum

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463395

Anyone not using proper radio controls, seriously look at getting a radio setup if you want any chance at really learning what Ed has laid out so well.

The ability to trim is absolutely essential, as is a throttle that stays in place. I now have the ablility to practise a proper landing. Not possible with the double joystick I was using.

I'm using the SuperstarEP model and finding it very good for learning. At first it was frustrating as it seems underpowered and sluggish. Then I realized thats just what I need. I can initiate a bank, add in some opposite rudder and see the effect in keeping altitude. With faster more responsive models everything happens too quick to see things happening.

The limited throttle response forces me to do a nice controlled glide in. The model scrubs a wing if you're approach is not straight and level - it's a challenge to get a nice landing and very instructional.

Of course it's 4 channel so may not be what those learning to fly 3 channel want. I'm only flying 3 channel (slow stick) but practising with this makes me want to move to 4 channel soon. I just like the control. I have a Mini Ultra Stick waiting until my piloting skills improve.

AEAJR
02-05-2006, 04:11 AM
We create these threads to help the new flyers. Glad you find them helpful.

ae5x
03-18-2006, 04:07 PM
Excellent info here. My first RC plane is on order & due to arrive 3/20. In the meantime, I've downloaded FMS and am using it with a LogiTech dual joystick - not ideal, I know, but it's all I have for now. The first several times I used it I thought I would never get used to the perspective of the plane coming at me and having to "reverse" the left-right inputs but it is becoming more natural and I can actually get through flights w/o crashing.

I can't seem to land on the runway yet though - I keep hitting the grass ;-)

The plane I have on order is a Slow Stick package (radio, servos, battery, ESC, etc). I'm sure I'll have a few questions next week as I build it - I'm sure glad to have found this forum.

Thanks,

Don Sims
03-18-2006, 04:38 PM
Welcome John. There are plenty of folks here to help you along and several threads on the Slowstick. All ya gotta do is ask!

AEAJR
03-30-2006, 11:57 AM
Here are links where you can get some 3 channel FMS planes
http://kimagure-hikoki.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Hanger1/Hanger1_index.html (http://kimagure-hikoki.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Hanger1/Hanger1_index.html)

http://kimagure-hikoki.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Hanger2/Hanger2_index.html (http://kimagure-hikoki.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Hanger2/Hanger2_index.html)

Look especially at the Lite Moth yellow biplane
Also note that he tells you how to make some of his 4 channel trainers into
3 channel by adding a 0 on the 4th or 5th line of the PAR file that you
download.
http://kimagure-hikoki.hp.infoseek.co.jp/FMSMODEL/Hanger_index.html (http://kimagure-hikoki.hp.infoseek.co.jp/FMSMODEL/Hanger_index.html)

lots more
http://rcp.web.infoseek.co.jp/fms_aircraft_e.html (http://rcp.web.infoseek.co.jp/fms_aircraft_e.html)


FMS Discussion Forum
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/forum/ (http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/forum/)

tiredboot
03-30-2006, 10:39 PM
A couple of questions from a newby. I have been using the slo V download to practice for the real thing and that has worked well it seems,not much real flight time due to constant wind.
I am close to maiden a squirt 400, wich of the various model downloads would be closest to it?
Also, how close are the flight characteristics of the virtual models to the real ones'?
Thank you.

tiredboot
04-02-2006, 12:39 AM
Bump, bump, bumpitty, bump.

AEAJR
04-02-2006, 05:00 AM
tiredboot, no need to bump this thread it is already sticky. :)

Idaho
04-02-2006, 08:56 AM
AJEAR, I like the yellow litemoth. It has much more power than the other I was using and also has 4 channels. I've been thinking a 4 channel tigermoth might come next when I've got some time on my slow stick. I have a MUS but don't feel ready for it. Between weather and work I've not been out in quite some time. A little time on the sim is all I've been able to do.

jcblough
04-03-2006, 03:08 AM
I have a question concerning sims. I have an arrow 9 trainer that came w/ a junk sim. I've flown it to death(the sim) I just download fms and the parkflyer set - I can fly the pants off the stryker on the sim, but I'm almost certain that it doesn't mean I can fly the thing nearly as well as the real deal. . . Once you learn orientation and basics, is a sim a worthwhile tool?

AEAJR
04-04-2006, 10:43 PM
Sims are very worthwhile but how much value depends on the Sim.

FMS is very basic. It is good for working out orientation etc. It can be use to work on basic aerobatics so you can work out the stick movements. However people say it is not as true to the real model as some of the expensive commercial Sims.

So, is it of value? Yes, for basics.

If you want to become a world class pattern pilot I would suggest you invest in one of the commercial ones that have better graphics and more realistic flight paramaters.

For me, FMS is fine. :)

Idaho
04-05-2006, 12:11 AM
There seem to be wide ranging opinions about the value of a basic sim like fms. I'm a total amateur so take this for what it's worth.

I suggest the following. Practise with it for a few hours. Soon you will control the airplane flying toward you or away without thinking about it. Use it to create habits for a landing like Ed has outlined so well. Practise flying upside down. Practise some simple aerobatics. Try a four channel model to get used to what a rudder does. Learn to make a turn using coordinated aileron and rudder to avoid loss of altitude.

Now ask someone who's never tried before to do what you have learned to do. I think you will agree you have attained significant skill that will transfer over to the real thing. :)

jcblough
04-05-2006, 01:05 AM
I guess for me, being a rc truck guy, the orientation didn't take much to get used to. I can do all the basic acrobatic maneuvers on my arrow sim, but when I got to the field, the depth perception and speed of the plane took the biggest adjustment for me. I may go out and get the cable for my quattro to fly fms, but other than just practice for practice's sake or killing time on a bad weather day, I'm not sure at this point if it is gonna help me much. that stryker in fms wot didn't really seem to simulate speed.

AEAJR
04-05-2006, 03:05 AM
I use FMS for basic skills, the most important skills, the necessary skills. They take time. They won't make you a champion, but you don't even get to enter the games without these skills.

FMS is very valuable and very helpful, but it can only take you so far. But the distance it takes you puts you right on the path to where you want to go.

It ain't OZ; it IS the yellow brick road!

jcblough
04-05-2006, 03:14 AM
Does G3 or another nicer sim give you a better feel, or is it still gonna be night and day between the pc and the field?

tiredboot
04-07-2006, 12:59 AM
how do you select the wind direction on FMS 2 alpha 8.5.
thanks.

AEAJR
04-07-2006, 04:02 AM
Does G3 or another nicer sim give you a better feel, or is it still gonna be night and day between the pc and the field?

They will be much closer to the real thing. For $300, they better be!

jcblough
04-07-2006, 02:28 PM
good point :D I'll be sticking with FMS.

ggunners
06-06-2006, 03:47 PM
how do you select the wind direction on FMS 2 alpha 8.5.
thanks.

tiredboot,

Wind direction in FMS is a numeric number based on a compass position relative to the field you are flying on.

Using the world.scn landscape file, a setting of 2.5 m/s wind speed with additional gusts of 0.3 m/s at a direction of 270 will provide wind almost directly down the runway.

The best way to see the direction of the wind is to set gusts at zero and wind speed at 4 m/s for a parkflyer, initialize your airplane "I" while holding the throttle to zero "H". Your airplane will weathervane toward the direction of the wind source. Tweak the direction as necessary.

-- ggunners

jdavechase
06-08-2006, 11:38 PM
I am new to Electric radio control (RC), and almost as new to RC period. The series of posts on Flight Simulators (FS) are excellent; Thank you for doing such a good job !! :)

I would like to point out a need, which didn't seem to be covered in any of the forums. That is acronyms and related ways of 'short saying (as well as something to help one understand alternates); Every human activity has its own language. As an example, I spent over a week trying to find out what "BEC" meant (yes, I'm a little slow on everything, being 71 years old (YO) ).

Because I flew U-control alll the while growing up I learned the language easily, But I find electric RC flight to almost be a nightmare: 'inrunner' and 'outrunner' electric motors were totally foreign terms. I did have some feel (not much) for 'electronic speed control' (ESC) as a result of running RC cars (electric powered) for a couple of years (that was long enough ago that there was no such thing as an 'inrunner' or 'outrunner' electric motors; alll were what are now called 'inrunner'')

It is altogether normal that after awhile you forget what you didn't know when you first started. Perhaps one place, or forum, could be created to help the beginner out here.

Thi8s is a wonderful, talented group; I hope you don't view my suggestion as a criticism..........jdc

AEAJR
06-09-2006, 12:19 AM
There are several threads on several of of the forums that have terms as a topic. Mostly when I see something I don't understand, I ask. Works most of the time.

hurricaneken
06-12-2006, 12:32 AM
thanks AEAJR for advice on FMS. I downloaded ,ordered r/c usb interface fromCUSTOM Electrics.co.uk. so a big thanks to Mike Roberts as well.
I plugged in and have been hitting that mountain ever since.:D

Ken

ps Can anyone tell me how to download models on to fms I am afraid I am having no luck.
hurricane ken.:o

unterhausen
06-12-2006, 06:20 AM
I haven't tried it, but this page allows you to download lots of planes:
http://www.tti-us.com/sim/aircraft.html

hurricaneken
06-12-2006, 11:15 PM
Thankyou unterhausen,
Have visited said website have gleaned more info on fms.
Also on models to download.

Thank you for your quick response.

Ken:D:D

levelOne
07-09-2006, 01:23 AM
Can you use the controller from RF G2 with FMS?

Adrian
08-13-2006, 07:35 PM
Bought ESKY flight sim a couple of weeks ago, been having great fun with it. It's a pretty basic filght sim, but seems to tick all the right boxes! In the real world I've been flying a FP Heli (from ESKY), but Getting pretty bored with it now, time to move onto CP model. But get this, I've also been flying about in various planes& am loving it. Hav'nt flown gliders since I was 13-14 (30+yrs ago) But been on the net & a site in the U.K. & there's my 1st ever 2 channel glider plans available. MMMM guess what Im building scratch this winter:D. Living just 2 miles from the coast & only 6 miles from the Yorkshire moors means loads of slope options whichever way the wind is blowing. (take it from me it's ALWAYS windy in the U.K.) Now looking to buy the a better flight sim, to take me to the next level (so to speak). Here in the U.K. Reflex (UK 125) & RC flight master(100) seem to be the 2 most popular sims, but which is best? Im not bothered about the cost as I can crash & burn like I stole em until I get the real thing aloft. Anybody tried both of these? Although realism is the main priority of course, for both heli's & fixed wing! Ade.
P.s. Two helis for sale.
A. Venom moutain rescue cx (with enough spares to build a 2nd model)
B. HoneyBee FP (as above)

socal swimmer
08-14-2006, 07:15 PM
are there any good flight simulators for mac? i found one that may work... but i dont know how to connect my tx to my comp. i dont know if it has a place for an interface to attach to it.

jipp
08-19-2006, 05:36 PM
Hi, i wish i would not of been so tired when i asked about this flight sim. All my questions were answerd here. Hmmm iv seen the G3 pretty spendy. I think ill get my basic skills from FMS :)
you cuold email http://www.tti-us.com/sim/contact.html

he makes conectors if anyone would know about the mac question i bet he would.

thanks again, great forum. learning tons. :)

chris.

Slowdoc
09-06-2006, 08:40 PM
To AEAJR I can't get enough of your stuff to read. You are hitting my buttons with just what I need to know now. My question on Simulators are:
I'm using a MAC OS computer and a Spectrum DX TX which is a DSM Prakflyer. Can I use any of the simulators and adaptors mentioned in your instructions? If not where should i look? Other readers please feel free to respond.

AEAJR
09-06-2006, 08:43 PM
To AEAJR I can't get enough of your stuff to read. You are hitting my buttons with just what I need to know now. My question on Simulators are:
I'm using a MAC OS computer and a Spectrum DX TX which is a DSM Prakflyer. Can I use any of the simulators and adaptors mentioned in your instructions? If not where should i look? Other readers please feel free to respond.

Glad I can help.

CRRCsim - Free flight simulator for MacOS/Linux/Windows
http://crrcsim.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=CRRCsim.HomePage (http://crrcsim.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=CRRCsim.HomePage)
CRRCsim - FAQ
http://crrcsim.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=CRRCsim.CrrcSimFaq (http://crrcsim.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=CRRCsim.CrrcSimFaq)

X-wing
10-03-2006, 02:39 AM
for a start...fms is good enough..somemore it's free....the main thing is to learn the controls not so much of the graphics...

cheers'
a fan of...
www.rcusbsimulator.com (http://www.rcusbsimulator.com)
www.thunderpower-battery.com (http://www.thunderpower-battery.com)

Slowdoc
10-03-2006, 04:07 AM
Hi Guys :
The thought just occured to me? Will all the simulators still work in the near future when Microsoft starts selling Vista to replace XP? Also what does anybody think about Microsoft Flight Simulator?

Plantraco
10-23-2006, 05:08 PM
are there any good flight simulators for mac? i found one that may work... but i dont know how to connect my tx to my comp. i dont know if it has a place for an interface to attach to it.


X-plane for Mac does have an R/C sim mode.

Glacier Girl
11-01-2006, 10:58 PM
Ed,
Word of warning. The site you listed for the adapter cords for Tx's.
http://www.gwsexpert.com/index.php?cPath=21_152
For Futaba, they carry the old style plug cords, round type, they do not work with the newer square plugs, like are on the 7c tx.
Ask me how I know?

AEAJR
11-01-2006, 11:04 PM
Good catch Glacier Girl. I have a 9C myself.

Glacier Girl
11-02-2006, 05:36 PM
Found a site that will handle adapters for the various cords to different style tx plugs.

http://milehighwings.com/adapters.htm

xray328
11-04-2006, 03:54 AM
I used the program that allows you to use the soundcard "in" port.

http://www.geocities.com/shaul_ei/SmartPropoPlus.html

I ordered a square (9C) futaba plug off the net and a mono mini jack from radio shack. I got the square futaba plug from a company in the UK. It was like $7 shipped I think. I was like "yeah ok, heres $7 down the drain" but then yesterday there it was in the mail. I wired the two together per the instructions on the site where I downloaded the program from and it worked like a charm. It just took two wires and it wroked great! I botched the heck out of the soldering job due to the close proximity of the pins on the futaba plug, but I guess it was good enough. Cost me like $10. I was a little nervous about plugging it in to the transmitter though. But when it actually worked I was like :D .

FMS is not very realistic IMHO. For instance you can ROG on the Parkzone Stryker F-27. I also don't like it when the ground disappears when you get some altitude. It seems like the basic Slow Stick models work fairly well though. It seems like the faster the plane is the more unrealistic it gets. I use it for my 6 y/o son just to teach him basic stick movements and what to do when its coming at you, down means up, that sort of thing. In that situation, its a great tool. I'm an intermediate flyer though and I crash in that thing all the time. It seems like I can't predict what the planes about to do with any certainty. But like you guys have said, its is free.

I wonder why they can't make it have realistic sounds though. Ya know how Real Flight actually sounds like a 2 cycle motor? FMS sounds like something from an Atari game.

AEAJR
11-04-2006, 07:40 AM
I used the program that allows you to use the soundcard "in" port.

http://www.geocities.com/shaul_ei/SmartPropoPlus.html

...................................

I wonder why they can't make it have realistic sounds though. Ya know how Real Flight actually sounds like a 2 cycle motor? FMS sounds like something from an Atari game.

Real Flight -$200

FMS - Free

That's why. ;-)

xray328
11-04-2006, 09:30 AM
Yep, I guess its worth the price though.

But really, its just a .wav file, isn't it? I'm suprised someone hasn't found a way to customize it like they did with microsofts flight ism.


Just a thought...

slipstick
11-04-2006, 09:47 AM
Could it be that most people couldn't care less ;) ? I usually switch the sound right off.....it doesn't add much IMO.

Steve

xray328
11-04-2006, 10:24 AM
Maybe we should let the guys over at Real Flight in on that secret, then we could buy it for 1/2 price. :D

It would seem that if they bother to include the "sounds", they'd at least make it decent, that's all I'm saying. It would just add that much more. Again, if you play a .wav file how hard would it be to make it a more realistic one? But then again, maybe theres more to it than that.

slipstick
11-04-2006, 06:13 PM
No it's not just a simple .wav file. That's the point. A .wav file contains a fixed sound. It's needs some considerable programming work to fiddle with it so that it seems to spool up, producing different sounds at tickover, part and full revs etc. That's why the current efforts to make "engine sounds" for scale electric models like Pete Nicholson's P47 have taken so long and cost so much ;).

If the guys who do FMS in their spare time have any available spare programming effort I'd rather it go into making the planes fly better. Cute engine noises just makes it more like a game and less like a sim to me.....but that's probably just me ;).

Steve

Icaro78
11-07-2006, 07:31 AM
I have bougth a USB interface adapter on www.rc-devices.com (http://www.rc-devices.com)
Also there i have found lots of other cables to beginners, like trainning cords, that it's the best way to learn to fly.

AEAJR
11-11-2006, 11:51 AM
NOT FREE BUT DARN CHEAP!

If you go to www.ebay.com (http://www.ebay.com) and search on ESKY you will find several packages of FMS with an RC style control box and cables for under $50. If you don't have an RC radio, or yours does not have a trainer port, this may be your best option.


This one is not free, but if you have your own radio with a trainer port, for $99 this seems like a good deal. A much superior screen and reported to have more realistic flight simiulation than FMS. Comes with the USB interface to the computer which some sell for $40.
http://www.ikarus-modellbau.de/onlineshop/usa/index.php?sid=x&shp=oxbaseshop&cl=alist&cnid=970451b71621aaa35.94855579 (http://www.ikarus-modellbau.de/onlineshop/usa/index.php?sid=x&shp=oxbaseshop&cl=alist&cnid=970451b71621aaa35.94855579)

Hornetman
11-17-2006, 02:20 AM
Well I got the Real Flight G3 and yeah it's a little pricey but already paid for itself I figure in the first day of flying or trying to fly! Looking forward to using it more before I go out and try to fly a real one! Much cheaper to crash on the PC!

AEAJR
11-17-2006, 01:00 PM
Yep, it is definately much cheaper to crash on the PC.

Hornetman
11-17-2006, 08:43 PM
Yeah it's the cost of one RTF, but it is really giving me the insite to this E-flite. I fugure I'll do this awhile before I attempt to go out and without a doubt do a couple of bad moves!!

AEAJR
11-17-2006, 09:26 PM
Let me make a suggestion:

Understanding how people are taught will help you learn.

Helping people to learn to fly
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5767 (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5767)

Read the thread. Now design tasks for yourself that will help you lean things, on the simulator, that I or others would teach you in the field.

Make sure you are always flying standing on the ground. None of this chace plane or "God's Eye" view stuff. You will NEVER do that in RC flying so don't waste your time with it.

Keeping the plane in view and its relationship to the ground will be the biggest challenge in the sim that you will have less issue with on the field.

Hope this helps.

Hornetman
11-18-2006, 12:18 AM
Ed, Thanks for the advise! I will do what you suggest. Yeah the hardest part on the sim I find is it's view with relationship to the field. I sure appreciate your input! Like I said,I'm in the country a little ways and I'm not having a lot of luck finding an instructor. Sim should help a lot but I'm realizing a real person next to me and plugged in would be fantastic help.

Hornetman
11-18-2006, 12:19 AM
That darn sim has payed for itself!!

AEAJR
11-18-2006, 12:28 AM
Using the FMS flight sim and a 4 channel radio I taught my nieces, sister adn brother-in-lay how to take off and land on the sim. That's all.

They each practiced take-off, once around the field and land.

I taught them to control altitude with the throttle and direction with hte rudder on a GWS TigerMoth.

Once they could take off and land time after time, then I took them out to fly the real plane. Every one of them was successful, with my coacing, the first time out!

tgifia
01-01-2007, 02:42 AM
Problem With Fms Name With A User

Slowdoc
01-01-2007, 03:27 AM
Sam: Does this mean I can open and run from my MAC??
I sure hope so because my Windows XP has burnt out on me and now is being used as a power supply to charge my batteries.

Ernie:)

tgifia
01-01-2007, 11:35 PM
Right now I am working on making FMS into a mac compatible programs. I found this free version if a program where you can run windows programs in mac, but it is not entirely working with mac----problems are: no controls, no wind, cannot change model, and cannot change landscape. When I get done with it, I will upload it and give you the link.

Slowdoc
01-01-2007, 11:57 PM
I'd sure like to see some Sim stuff for the Mac.
Keep me posted on any success you have or here of.
Ernie:)

tgifia
01-02-2007, 12:05 AM
I am liking crrcsim


the link is:

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/crrcsim/crrcsim-macosx-0.9.7.dmg.tgz?download


When I get the FMS to mac complete--I will give you that link

bentoad1
01-16-2007, 01:12 AM
Iam trying to download ppjoy program so i can use me transmitter on my computer flight simulator but it has moved. Does anyone know how to find this info?

RacerPaul
01-16-2007, 05:12 PM
Great thread, thanks for all the links!

Paul

heymak
01-26-2007, 01:47 AM
Soon, there will be a new usb adapter on the market from GWS. I just got one today on an earlybird special. It works with fms and only cost $13.00 shipped from Taiwan. I ordered it last Thursday and got it today. The model I got was GWFSM002C and it works with the Futaba's square trainer port. There are others too. I was a little skeptical at that price but I just spent the last couple hours trying to master the mpx minimag plane with it. I bought that as my first plane, have put it together but haven't flown it yet, except on FMS. On rcgroups there is a thread about the adapter in the GWS vendor forum. You might still be able to get in on the earlybird special. If not there still suppose to be $10.00 when they hit the U.S.

I guess I should say it plugs in to the trainer port on your transmitter. Mine is a t6exap.

JWilliams
02-06-2007, 05:26 PM
I found the ESKY kits on ebay. For $20-30 shipped it's possible to get the computer-ready TX and the free software.

Has anybody here tried them?

My local hobby store has a cool sim with a bunch of planes that one can buy and I'd really like a decent sim with a good lineup of planes/helis, but I currently have no compatible TX and a very tight budget for a sim, so I'd need the controller (I think a Play station controller would work even) and software for cheap!

Slowdoc
02-06-2007, 05:42 PM
JWilliam:
The ESKY system works fine and is great way to start.
I'd recommend you only buy from us dealer. You will pay slightly over $40 but can get the latest FMS ver 8.5 and the latest USB connector and MODE 2
TX. I learned this the hard way by buying from Hongkong for $30 only to end up paying $45 and 60 days of agony. Search ebay for ESKY Simulators and pick a good US dealer for 3 day shipment and the latest offering.
(I wish I did). The free FMS site will let you download all the planes you will want to practice with. Forget the $200 to $300 simulators that need high powered PC's and keep offering you planes way beyound beginners ability to
fly.:)

JWilliams
02-06-2007, 05:49 PM
JWilliam:
The ESKY system works fine and is great way to start.
I'd recommend you only buy from us dealer. You will pay slightly over $40 but can get the latest FMS ver 8.5 and the latest USB connector and MODE 2
TX. I learned this the hard way by buying from Hongkong for $30 only to end up paying $45 and 60 days of agony. Search ebay for ESKY Simulators and pick a good US dealer for 3 day shipment and the latest offering.
(I wish I did). The free FMS site will let you download all the planes you will want to practice with. Forget the $200 to $300 simulators that need high powered PC's and keep offering you planes way beyound beginners ability to
fly.:)Great, thanks for the post! Do you feel the flight dynamics on the free sim are good? I assume graphics won't be as nice, but obviously bad dynamics make a sim totally useless, so I presume they are not bad.

With it 10 outside and -10 with the crazy wind, this seems more and more like what I should get :D

JWilliams
02-06-2007, 06:06 PM
Slowdoc,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Esky-Simulator-RC-Helicopter-Plane-USB-left-hand-mode-2_W0QQitemZ290079111278QQihZ019QQcategoryZ34056QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That's for a Hong Kong seller, but ships from USA and has USB and Mode 2. However, since I"m right-handed, why do I want a "left hand" controller? I am sure I"m misunderstanding their verbiage.

EDIT: Ah, left hand is for throttle, as it should be, so Mode 2 is what I want.

Slowdoc
02-06-2007, 07:04 PM
Jwilliams:
I'd be careful of the ebay dealer you have selected for review.
Sounds like a Hongkong deal to me. Also had no sales to speak of for judging reliability. If it was me, I'd be more attuned to someone like DUSHOPPING who offers one for $24.95 + 14.95 shipping. They have a track record also.
Also have option to download planes you will want.:)

Airhead
02-07-2007, 06:42 AM
Great thread, thanks for all the links!

Paul
Hey paul,
Welcome to WF. Thanks for sharing about your avatar...I can truly appreciate that picture..:)

Airhead
02-07-2007, 06:55 AM
Appreciate all the info,
I have downloaded the FMS a couple of weeks ago. I tried it with the keyboard, bad idea.
Tues morning, I tried using a game controler with two joysticks thinking that this may work. Well, it kind of works. Of course there is no actual adjustment for trim that I can dig up. To be honest, this is the first time I have really read the information in this thread. Its really interesting. My first flights on the sim are pretty funny. I'm glad I was not actually at the field flying. I did receive a link from a fellow Wattflyer to download the T-Hawk but I couldn't seem to make it work..I ended up flying a SUI-26 which is way to fast and hard for me to control. Anyway, I am going to see what I can do to install th eT-hawk info or some other kind of trainer. I am interested in some of the info about picking up a inexpensive transmitter to work on the computer similer to some of the discussions in this thread...Thanks again..I'll report in as I progress.

AEAJR
02-07-2007, 01:00 PM
I am very pleased that so many people are benefiting from this thread.

I was at a swap meet a couple of weekends ago and picked up a Real Flight G2 sim and control box that plugs into the game port of my PC. $50. Great deal!

It has been brutally cold here and very windy, but I have been working on my inverted flight, so I won't cry too much. :)

One tip in flight sims.

1) ALWAYS work from the standing position on the field. Not in the plane, not chasing the plane, etc.

2) Find a slow plane and don't do anything else till you can land it. Take-off, go around and land it. Every time I change planes, I go through that drill. You get to know the plane quite well. Sometimes it takes me 30 attempts before I can land it. Oh the joy of the reset.

3) Look for the visual cues that will help you know where the runway is. This, for me, is the hardest thing in a flight sim. I can't tell where I am. But if you watch, you will see that the "old barn" is just before your final tun, or "that notch in the hills" gives you a good allignment point.

Practice those landings, then go off and be crazy!

Slowdoc
02-15-2007, 07:21 PM
Hi Folks:
I'm wondering if anybody seen a FMS model of The Yard Stik?
I've just ordered one from Tower Hobbies and sure would like to practice flying it before it arrives. The wings look like they may break easy and would be hard to replace at $22 +$8.95 shipping.:)

ggunners
02-15-2007, 09:19 PM
Slowdoc,

The GWS Slow Stick model is quite close to the specs of the Yard Stik, probably enough to use as a proxy for your practicing on FMS.

You can download the FMS SlowStick (http://gunnerson.homestead.com/files/fkstick8.zip) by following the link.

-- ggunners

Slowdoc
02-15-2007, 10:03 PM
Slowdoc,

The GWS Slow Stick model is quite close to the specs of the Yard Stik, probably enough to use as a proxy for your practicing on FMS.

You can download the FMS SlowStick (http://gunnerson.homestead.com/files/fkstick8.zip) by following the link.

-- ggunners

Thanks. I'll give it a try since I'll be flying the Slow stick also.

mossman
02-16-2007, 09:41 PM
found it worked well for training last flights have been really good and landing supercub have two planes now. simulator helped me when plane is flying towards you. This will save you big dollars on crash repairs. dont worry if you use keyboard control it will boost your confidence.

mossman perth:) :) :) :cool:

Loopy
02-17-2007, 03:23 PM
Does this appear to be a good transmitter for FMS? It looks as though it includes the cable necessary to plug into the computer. What does "with patch" mean?

http://cgi.ebay.com/FUTABA-SKYPORT-4-Transmitter-Trainer-Box-with-patch_W0QQitemZ220081211399QQihZ012QQcategoryZ3405 6QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

AEAJR
02-17-2007, 04:55 PM
That would work fine. The cord appears to be a radio to radio trainer cord, not a computer interface cord.

mossman
02-18-2007, 01:30 PM
Great advice about sim for practice. done three barrel rolls on the supercub can land putting what im reading to practice. three boys have flown the two supercubs getting more confident day by day. only damage cracked cowls and damage that the 1st supercub crash (managed to realign motor cover plate correctly. These are brilliant planes to learn and lots of fun. perth is experiencing some lkighter winds lately so everyday mornings been great.

thanks Mossy

Chucky010
02-24-2007, 07:32 AM
I am very pleased that so many people are benefiting from this thread.

I was at a swap meet a couple of weekends ago and picked up a Real Flight G2 sim and control box that plugs into the game port of my PC. $50. Great deal!

It has been brutally cold here and very windy, but I have been working on my inverted flight, so I won't cry too much. :)

One tip in flight sims.

1) ALWAYS work from the standing position on the field. Not in the plane, not chasing the plane, etc.

2) Find a slow plane and don't do anything else till you can land it. Take-off, go around and land it. Every time I change planes, I go through that drill. You get to know the plane quite well. Sometimes it takes me 30 attempts before I can land it. Oh the joy of the reset.

3) Look for the visual cues that will help you know where the runway is. This, for me, is the hardest thing in a flight sim. I can't tell where I am. But if you watch, you will see that the "old barn" is just before your final tun, or "that notch in the hills" gives you a good allignment point.

Practice those landings, then go off and be crazy!

Where should you land your plane? Should it be in front of you - coming head on towards you or parallel to the side?

AEAJR
02-24-2007, 10:28 AM
Landing your plane depends on your field and situation.

Most fields that have runways would requre you to land side to side. If you plan to fly at a field like that, you should practice that, even if you are on open fields. If you are flying small electrics today but plan to fly glow planes too, then practice that side to side landing. Most of the time this is how I land my small electrics.

If you are flying in an open field where you can land anywhere, you should get into the habit of landing the plane about 6 to 10 feet out and within 20 feet of your position. Closer may be cool, but if you miss judge you could hit yourself or someone else.

If you are a competition glider pilot, an activity I enjoy, then you acctually practice landing the plane coming right at your, landing "on the spot" at about 5-10 feet from you.

JWilliams
02-26-2007, 01:27 PM
Side-to-side is how it has to be done with a runway, though when I land on my street I find the easiest thing is to have the plane come towards me maybe 10 feet above my head, so that I can twist as it goes over the top and land it from its immediate behind.

JP Fly
04-11-2007, 06:38 PM
Does anybody have a solution to get FMS to work on Windows Vista?

bentoad1
04-12-2007, 10:44 AM
I tried for hours, used foreums and still could not get it to work. Vista still is working on fixes for a lot of problems so I said forget it and bought Real Flight add now I am zooming all over my monitor. Good luck . Bentoad

marchino61
04-30-2007, 03:34 PM
Hello Everyone

Throttle, rudder and ailerons work for me in FMS, but 2 and 8 for elevator simply seem to zoom in and out.

What am I doing wrong?

beatmix01
06-26-2007, 03:15 AM
Does anybody have a solution to get FMS to work on Windows Vista?

I installed FMS on my VistaBox today at work and it is working A'OK. It complained that it couldnt find a DirectX file (d3drd.dll I think) so I just pulled it off my XP machine (You can also find the file very easily on Google) dropped it into my c:\windows\system32 directory and fired FMS back up and bam... flying away. Now I just need to get a TX to work on my technique on my lunch break at work...lol.

On another note, I just found a great deal on the esky FMS package from a US based dealer in the City of Industry, CA.

http://www.raidentech.com/e4chflsitrki.html
save an additional 10% using the following coupon code : monkeybargains

autorail1
08-04-2007, 03:43 AM
I have a JR SPORT radio SX 600 and I was wondering what cord will work with the Free FMS. Thanks for any input.

Thanks

JS

AEAJR
08-04-2007, 03:55 AM
I have a JR SPORT radio SX 600 and I was wondering what cord will work with the Free FMS. Thanks for any input.

Thanks

JS

Links to adapters are in the first post.

autorail1
09-05-2007, 04:17 PM
Looking to buy the Adapter for a JR radio that will work for Hangar 9 Flight Sim One.

PM if you have one available

slipstick
09-05-2007, 08:54 PM
The JR adaptor that comes with every legally purchased copy of FSOne is the only one you need.

Steve

autorail1
09-05-2007, 10:48 PM
The JR adaptor that comes with every legally purchased copy of FSOne is the only one you need.

Steve

HA HA! So where can I get a replacement part since my little girl seemed to ruin it.

AEAJR
09-06-2007, 01:21 AM
FSOne should have replacement parts available. Contact customer support for a replacement or for advice as what to use.

AEAJR
09-08-2007, 09:09 AM
If you or a friend has been looking for a low cost flight sim package, this looks very good.

Controller, USB cable and FMS software - $35
http://www.rc-dymond.com/index.php?productID=1395

autorail1
09-08-2007, 02:41 PM
If you or a friend has been looking for a low cost flight sim package, this looks very good.

Controller, USB cable and FMS software - $35
http://www.rc-dymond.com/index.php?productID=1395

HMMM it says that any USB controller will work with FS one. This may be my temporary fix.

grubbyjeans
10-19-2007, 10:04 PM
3) Set-up and Calibration - If you have a PCM/PPM capable radio, your radio
must be set for PPM, which is what most people mean by FM. (Technically PCM
and PPM are both FM)

I have a Futaba FP-T5NLP PCM radio. Is it usable for FMS? If it is, what do I need to do to get setup?

Thanks ????

AEAJR
10-20-2007, 01:34 AM
If it is PCM only it won't work.

Ribcracker
10-20-2007, 02:52 AM
Woops. Duplicate post.

Ribcracker
10-20-2007, 03:00 AM
I installed FMS on my VistaBox today at work and it is working A'OK. It complained that it couldnt find a DirectX file (d3drd.dll I think) so I just pulled it off my XP machine (You can also find the file very easily on Google) dropped it into my c:\windows\system32 directory and fired FMS back up and bam... flying away. Now I just need to get a TX to work on my technique on my lunch break at work...lol.

On another note, I just found a great deal on the esky FMS package from a US based dealer in the City of Industry, CA.

http://www.raidentech.com/e4chflsitrki.html
save an additional 10% using the following coupon code : monkeybargains
How does one go about pulling that DirectX file off of another machine? I still have my old ME system so maybe I could do this if you'd tell me how. I'd love to get FMS on my VistaBox. Thanks for any help.

RunnerDude96
10-20-2007, 08:10 PM
I have a logitech dual action game pad and was wondering on how to configure it in fms. The website doesn't have any documentation on it. Plus are there scenery and extra planes for crrc sim?

flybyrc
11-26-2007, 09:01 PM
I have the realflight g3.5 sim.
Is there anywhere where i can get some models for parkfliers, only place i know is knife edge swap pages.
thanks

catapultone
12-01-2007, 02:34 AM
AEAJR, How do you get models into FMS after downloading them? My FMS is erratic, most times it wants to turn left or right and I can't trim it out. Is my FMS unit bad? Thanks for the help. catapultone

RunnerDude96
12-01-2007, 02:14 PM
I have that eratic thing too sometimes. I just configure the controls and usually it works better for that time I'm using it.

With models, you have to unzip the files, put them in some folder you can find, and open FMS. Then go to model - load (F2) and find the folder and file that the model is in.

Good Luck.

meesier42
12-02-2007, 02:41 AM
moved post

Rinyotsu
12-20-2007, 04:31 AM
Okay, I bet that some people either don't have a radio or they just don't have the trainer cord (like me). Does it work without a radio? I know it defeats the purpose of learning to fly but gives a feel of what the simulator is like.

AEAJR
12-20-2007, 04:37 AM
Yes you can use keyboard controls but it really doesn ont help you learn to fly. One of the key values is to start to develop hand eye coordination using the transmitter sticks.

Rinyotsu
12-20-2007, 04:40 AM
I was wondering because I want to get a feel for the program and I won't be able to get a trainer cord for a day or 2. But once I get that cord, I will practice like crazy (thank goodness today was the last day of school before winter break).


I just tried it, and to my (not) surprise, it seems to not want to work with my version of windows. It keeps saying "D3DRM.dll is not loaded". Does anyone know what to do to fix this?

ggunners
12-23-2007, 04:31 AM
You need to get a copy of the DLL. Download it to your machine. Then cut and paste it into the /Windows /System directory.

-- ggunners

Rinyotsu
12-23-2007, 04:40 PM
Yay, it works (didn't know I needed to move it after download) thanks ggunners

cjg
01-02-2008, 03:42 AM
Thanks to this thread I was able to get FMS setup to work with the radio on my T-28 RTF. It works great, and I found a BT13 that flies very similar to the T-28.

Now I can practice inverted flying and Immelman's without fear!

BTW I didn't need a mono mini plug cord, the stereo mini plug cord I use to hook my MP3 player up to the stereo works fine with SmartPropoPlus and the buddy jack on the T-28 radio.

rdeanchurch
01-16-2008, 02:12 AM
Personal problem? BO?
I can't get FMS to work with RealFlight Tx box.
OK, it used to work then I tried a bunch of stuff to get my DX-7 TX as interface s I could use expo, dual rates ect. That didn't pan out for me, but I can't revert back to Real Flight G2 Tx sim.
My thought was maybe downloading SmartProPlus caused problem. I've uninstalled FMS and reinstalled. That doesn't help. Can't figure out how to remove SmartProPlus..but not sure it is the problem.
Any suggestions?
Dean
GIP Certified.
All my planes demonstrate GIP

G..Grossly
...I..Incompetent
.....P.. Pilot

BUCKSHOT
01-17-2008, 11:16 PM
Cleaned Out My Desktop & Went To Reload It ....
The Fms Site Won't Work
Someone Help Me ...please????

carld2002
01-19-2008, 12:56 AM
Cleaned Out My Desktop & Went To Reload It ....
The Fms Site Won't Work
Someone Help Me ...please????



Looks like they may have moved it.

http://www.flying-model-simulator.com/

singingperry
02-06-2008, 08:44 AM
Got the new G4 sim, worth every penny, absolutely outstanding. will pay for itself in chopper blades alone in short order.Ran it through my hi-def TV, WOW!

Robbks
02-21-2008, 03:04 AM
Ok guys, i've got my new Cessna 182 sitting in the box at home and i've loaded up FMS (came with the plane). and i get to use my cessna in FMS goodie!!
i followed the instructions in the first part of this thread (very informative) and i've got the plane trimmed and the controls configured and it's all good.

Now, my question it..
because my plane is only 3ch (4ch controller) and in FMS you need to have the rudder and aileron controls on the same channel,
when it comes time to fly my plane (no ailerons) how will the handling differ from the sim??
can you still do banked turns with only rudder and elevator?? or do they just make nice big flat circles??
i switched the ailerons to ch8 in the sim so i only had rudder and elevator and it was lucky to be able to do a turn in the entire field..will my real plane handle like this??

sorry for the long multi question

ggunners
02-21-2008, 03:28 PM
Now, my question is.. because my plane is only 3ch (4ch controller) and in FMS you need to have the rudder and aileron controls on the same channel<snip>

Robbks,

FMS airplanes have 4 channels defined. What you'll find is that a lot of modelers put the primary turning control on the same stick. So if the airplane is R/E/T or A/E/T, we use the same sticks.

So calibrate your control for 4 channels and let the model decide which ones to use. The purests will put the rudder on the rudder channel irreguardless of whether the model is 3ch or 4ch. Others will always have primary turning on the aileron stick for 3ch airplanes irreguardless of whether A/E/T or R/E/T.

-- ggunners

AEAJR
02-24-2008, 01:58 PM
I am trying something new. I call it an e-book made up of a series of articles.
Everything you wanted to know about electric flight.
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31071

Take a look. Let me know what you think.

kybrowns
03-13-2008, 08:10 PM
I'm teacher at an elementary school and some kids see me fly and they want to learn how. I was thinking of downloading a free flight simulator (FMS) and getting a cheap radio or buddy box for them to play with.

The buddy box that is listed in this forum seems the way to go. I could keep it at school and if it breaks or gets stolen I'm only out $35 dollars.

-I'm just not sure how the box hooks up to a computer or what cables I'll need for it to work with FMS/

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

AEAJR
03-13-2008, 11:05 PM
Sources for adapter cables are listed in the first post.

grubbyjeans
03-14-2008, 12:28 AM
I'm teacher at an elementary school and some kids see me fly and they want to learn how. I was thinking of downloading a free flight simulator (FMS) and getting a cheap radio or buddy box for them to play with.

The buddy box that is listed in this forum seems the way to go. I could keep it at school and if it breaks or gets stolen I'm only out $35 dollars.

-I'm just not sure how the box hooks up to a computer or what cables I'll need for it to work with FMS/

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I chose to just go with the full FMS kit. Here is one in the current listings.
http://cgi.ebay.com/FMS-ESKY-USB-RC-SIMULATOR-AIRPLANE-HELICOPTER-SIM-KIT_W0QQitemZ360030744038QQihZ023QQcategoryZ2563QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You won't have any issues with configuration and setup that you might have with a buddy box. Just plugs into your USB. It is a great learning tool, but I'd suggest you get the full kit and avoid the cable setup issues. I won the bid for $20.00 on the one I purchased and with shipping it was under $30.00.

Enjoy

grubbyjeans

kybrowns
03-14-2008, 12:55 AM
Thanks guys,

Grubby that sounds perfect. I just bought one on Ebay. My student will be very happy to hear that I got something ordered. They are so cheap I might start my own after school flight school.

Thanks again,

this is what I ordered.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260219148939

FlyWheel
03-14-2008, 04:42 AM
You mentioned that when using your own radio, settings like trim should be done on the transmitter, it's not set in the Sim. I have a computer radio (HT Flash5X). Do the settings I put into the memory for flying the actual plane affect FMS? For example if I put in a -3 trim on the elevator to properly fly in real life, will the the sim model also fly as if it had that same trim setting? Or do I have to add it again when the TX is plugged into FMS?

What about other functions, like dual rates and exponential? Do they work in FMS?

Skullcrusher491
03-15-2008, 09:48 PM
I need some help. On two things the first is how can you download planes for fms I went to the link and saw all the planes I tried to download some and all I get is the names of the plane and all blank when I go to fly. There must be something that I am doing wrong do you save it or click run it when you chose the plane. Also I have an esky tx and a usn cable that plugs into it but I cant get it to work on fms. Any help will be helpfull Thanks alot.

cjg
03-15-2008, 11:15 PM
Are you unzipping the files, then copying all the included files into the FMS /models folder?

FlyWheel
03-16-2008, 02:55 AM
I got my cord today, hooked it up to the TX and one of the USB ports on the computer. I turned on the TX, launched FMS and clicked on the controls menu as per AEAJR's instructions. The first thing it asked was what interface I was using (Joystick, two paralells and a serial. No choice for USB). Joystick and serial were the only choices that let me calibrate so I went through the motions assigning channels to the appropriate controls for each with the same results on both. I assigned 1 for rudder, 2-elevator and 3-throttle. There was also choices for roll and pitch, so I assigned the appropriate channels there too. The rest I entered "0". But when I activated the calibration section, throttle wasn't on channel three, it was on two! :<: Elevator (ch2) was on channel 1 ::o and rudder was channel 6 :eek: ! My channel 4 stick was moving the channel 3 bar. No matter what channel numbers I put in on the control choices (any of them) they stay the same.

I don't think it's the USB interface, all the controls "work". When I initialized "hand launch" and gave it up elevator (Using the wrong stick, of course) the plane rose and promptly stalled. so the control inputs are making it into the program, but I would really like to have them on the right sticks! :(

Rodney Ramjet
03-16-2008, 03:05 AM
I don't know what version you are using but when you do the calibration after selecting joystick you can see which channel is moved by which stick movement. For example, if you move the stick for your rudder and say channel 2 moves on the program make your rudder control #2. With my transmitter Rudder is on the left stick and number 4 input, throttle is number 3, elevator 2 and ailerons 1. If you need to change the direction of a control I always use the inverse in the program so I don't have to change the transmitter when I want to fly my real planes. Hope this helps.

cjg
03-16-2008, 03:32 AM
On the current FMS version you can reassign the controls to whatever you want using the mapping/calibration function under the analogue control menu.

FlyWheel
03-17-2008, 02:50 AM
On the current FMS version you can reassign the controls to whatever you want using the mapping/calibration function under the analogue control menu.

I'm using the latest version, and choosing analog (the other choice is for keyboard control) but no matter what channel numbers I put in, on any of the program controls, I get the same incorrect assignments.

I could put rudder on channel 13, elevator on 3.1415927 and throttle on channel 181,282 and FMS still won't change which stick controls which function.

grubbyjeans
03-17-2008, 03:08 AM
Here is my map

FlyWheel
03-18-2008, 01:26 AM
I've been trying to do exactly what you guys are suggesting, but nothing is happening. I've even gone to the FMS forums, but all I got there was a somewhat rude response that suggested I calibrate the "joystick" in Windows control panel, but that didn't help much either, as I run into the same problem. No way to coordinate stick movements with what the computer does. I'm beginning to wonder if a Sim is really worth the damn frustration. http://mescal.pixelized.ch/smilies/sospiro.gif

Skullcrusher491
03-18-2008, 09:01 PM
I have a Esky 4 channel transmitter and usb cord to go to the computer. How do you get it ti work on fms I cannot figure out how to do it Please help

grubbyjeans
03-18-2008, 09:43 PM
I have a Esky 4 channel transmitter and usb cord to go to the computer. How do you get it ti work on fms I cannot figure out how to do it Please help

Did your kit have the instructions in it? If so, it is fairly easy to install.

What is your specific need.

Did the software install?
Does the USB port recognize the controller?
Check my post just above. It is a screen capture of the setup and calibration of the sticks.

Skullcrusher491
03-18-2008, 09:53 PM
FMS did load on my computer I can use keyboard but that it is. I need full instructions since I hane non.

grubbyjeans
03-18-2008, 10:04 PM
FMS did load on my computer I can use keyboard but that it is. I need full instructions since I hane non.

Standby...I'll scan mine to pdf and post.

Here's a BETTER idea.

Just go here and download it and print.

http://www.twf-sz.com/english/download.asp

The version number from your disk may be v8.3

v8.5 is here: http://www.n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/alpha/fms2alpha85.exe

dnitro
03-26-2008, 12:45 AM
I originally started with FMS. Used it for a coulpe of months then bought the RealFlight G4 because I planned to get the Hobbico Electristar, and the model is part of the software. After about a month on G4, I soloed my E-star successfully, without a buddy box. Without any previous flight experience, this was my first real live flight. Landed it safely without a hitch.

The thing I really concentrated on the most on the simulator was not the aerobatics, but landing different planes. I'd take off, turn around, and landed. I did this over, and over, and over until i got real comfortable landing anything.

The sim must have saved me hundreds if not thousands in parts if I used a real plane right away. Can you just imagine the old school guys not having a flight sim back then? They had to learn the hard way, the expensive way.

Happy flying everyone.

AEAJR
03-26-2008, 02:38 PM
That is an excellent approach! You will still find differences between the sim and the real thing but you will be conditioned to address it now.

Good work!

fisherco
04-06-2008, 10:24 PM
hey i need some help on this subject! i have the spectrum DX6 transmitter and im trying to take your advice and use the simulator(s) i went out and purchased the Spectrum wireless flight sim adapter for FS One. im trying to bind it and cant. im trying to go the cheap route and not buy the FS one sim and just use one of the free ones posted at the beginning of this thread. this information would be greatly appreciated!

AEAJR
04-06-2008, 10:39 PM
I have never tried one of those adapters. It is possible that it only works with FS One, since the specifically advertise it for that simulator.

Maybe someone else can help.

fisherco
04-06-2008, 11:07 PM
i was thinking that too. i really hope not though lol

sleddog
05-03-2008, 10:01 PM
Here is my map

Grubbyjeans;

I see in the background of your post you have what looks like a model of the SC in the FMS program. Is this one that can be found on a download site? Does it match SC handling? I have downloaded several different models, but I have yet to find one that is real close to SC handling and looks.

Your help is appreciated.

grubbyjeans
05-04-2008, 05:00 AM
Grubbyjeans;

I see in the background of your post you have what looks like a model of the SC in the FMS program. Is this one that can be found on a download site? Does it match SC handling? I have downloaded several different models, but I have yet to find one that is real close to SC handling and looks.

Your help is appreciated.

Yes, that's the one. I've attached the file to this msg. Just unzip into your models folder.

Happy flyin'

sleddog
05-04-2008, 02:51 PM
Grubbyjeans;

That is fantastic. I really appreciate you putting that out there. As I learn to fly I am really seeing the value of sim time. This will really help.

Again Thanks!

Capt Easy
05-13-2008, 02:28 AM
May Day...

I'm still pretty new and have REAL FLIGHT 3.5 on order and a SPEKTRUM Dx6i. standing by.

I plan on using a DELL Ispiron 5100 with WIN XP and Pentium 4 and
I would sure apprecaiate it if some of you could list what I need to get everything operating?

Thanks

lazybee
05-20-2008, 09:53 PM
Does anybody know what to do to fix this FMS problem...the throttle setting is way too high on initialization. The planes don't seem to have an idle RPM where they sit on the runway waiting for an increase in power to get them taxying and take-off As soon as you click on initialization the plane is about 1/2 throttle and belting down the runway and throttle reduction has no effect. I'm using a JR 642 radio as a controller. Any clues folks???
I have done the mapping/calibration thing many times and I am wondering if it is a Tx setting (perhaps EPA on throttle channel?)that is the problem

Gimpster
05-26-2008, 07:36 AM
I have to agree that a Flight Sim is a very usefull and effective tool for prepairing for this hobby. Just recently I finished my first plane, had a club instructor verify it was trimed correctly and then hand me the controls for my first flight. With just a few words of wisdom I flew the plane without issue, performed a few acrobatic manuvers and brought the plane in for a smooth landing, without assistance or a buddy box. This first flight was with a 3D plane pushing a 2 to 1 power/weight ratio.

For me what really helped was to do as the poster above did. I have spent most of my time practicing landings, in all different kinds of aircraft in all kinds of wind and orintations, with power, without power, you name it. The sim is good for building some basic muscle memory, it help you learn orintation, and it helps to get you to a point where you don't think about flying the plane you just think about where you want the plane to go. At that point the transision to a real RC plane is not too hard, and now you only have to make the few small adjustments for the differences between reality and simulation. And the bonus is you saved yourself alot of crash repair.

Oh and cross-wind landings on a gusty day, on to a slopped rough grass field are fun.

AEAJR
05-26-2008, 01:18 PM
Does anybody know what to do to fix this FMS problem...the throttle setting is way too high on initialization. The planes don't seem to have an idle RPM where they sit on the runway waiting for an increase in power to get them taxying and take-off As soon as you click on initialization the plane is about 1/2 throttle and belting down the runway and throttle reduction has no effect. I'm using a JR 642 radio as a controller. Any clues folks???
I have done the mapping/calibration thing many times and I am wondering if it is a Tx setting (perhaps EPA on throttle channel?)that is the problem

I have never seen this problem. When I have used FMS, the first thing I had to do was to calibrate the stick positions. Took about 15 seconds. After that, it all worked fine. That was on a standard 4 channel TX that has no EPA or DR features.

lazybee
05-26-2008, 02:24 PM
Thanks for your help, Ed

Ribcracker
05-26-2008, 08:24 PM
lazybee,
You forgot to roll your eyes. It looks like this;:rolleyes:
I haven't used FMS in a while because I've got a better sim now. But as I recall, when it says to center your sticks during the calibration, I think you actually have to close the throttle before you click finish. If you haven't already tried that, give it a go.
I also recall endless frustration before I actually stumbled across the solution. So keep trying different approaches until bang...there it is. Good luck!

lazybee
05-26-2008, 08:55 PM
Thanks heaps Ribcracker, I'ii give that a go and report. Appreciate your help

FlyWheel
05-26-2008, 09:09 PM
lazybee,
You forgot to roll your eyes. It looks like this;:rolleyes:
I haven't used FMS in a while because I've got a better sim now. But as I recall, when it says to center your sticks during the calibration, I think you actually have to close the throttle before you click finish. If you haven't already tried that, give it a go.
I also recall endless frustration before I actually stumbled across the solution. So keep trying different approaches until bang...there it is. Good luck!

Is that why my EasyStar "model" keeps nosediving when I power it down? :p

Kingcrash
05-28-2008, 02:19 AM
lazybee,
I've noticed that with FMS when I was using a plane built for the Alpha 8.5 version in the Beta 7 (recommended) version.
I upgraded to the Alpha 8.5 and the only issue I've had is having to blip the throttle open then closed to get back to an idle if I crash with the throttle going.

Greg S

mumblinaviator
06-10-2008, 04:46 AM
I've got the Hitec Laser 4ch, and a USB cable that plugs into the back, but FMS will NOT recognize the controller, nor will my computer. Windows shows that I have a "new hardware" and installs automatically, but beyond that nothing will happen. Any ideas?

Kingcrash
06-10-2008, 03:49 PM
mumblinaviator,
Are you running Windows Vista and Do you have a Toms RC cable by chance? I found a way to get that working on Windows Vista.

I'm not sure what other usb cables have the Cypress chip, but I knopw that one in particular does.

If it is, try the following....

Go into device manager and ...

Right click on the selected hardware device and click on "Update Driver
Software".
The Device you want to update the driver for should be listed as "USB Human
Interface Device"

Click on "Browse my computer for driver software"

Click on "Let me pick from a list of devices on my computer"

Make sure the check box marked "Show compatible hardware" is checked and you
should see "Cypress USB-HID-> COM device. That's what you want.
Select that and click "Next"

Windows will install it and will let you know. Just click on "Close" when
the message "Windows has successfully updated your driver software"

The Device Manager should refresh and you'll see a listing for "Ports (COM &
LPT)", under which is our Cypress USB-HID -> COM device

From there, just right click and select "properties" and ensure all is well


Greg S

george eckert
07-21-2008, 01:31 PM
Have tried to down load free sim..I think because I have vista it does not load .Has anyone had this problem.App any help.

ggunners
07-21-2008, 03:38 PM
Known issues with XP and Vista.

The PC needs to have a communications port. COM1, COM2, etc. This port can be virtual but easier if it is physical.

With Vista you need the directx .dll.

Check out this post (http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4813) on FMS Forum for some help.

-- ggunners

HEMICUDA
07-24-2008, 07:25 AM
Does anybody out there have a FMS Hobbico Elctristar or Flyzone J-3 Cub??

Also, I just use a Century FMS sim controller I got from Tower Hobbies for $25, came with a CD. First controller came broke, wouldn't calibrate because something inside was broke(could hear it rattling), T-H sent a new one out @ no charge. No problems since. I would just use a "game"
controller like the esky, rcdymond or like mine, less problems than using an actual rc controller.

Thanks,
HEMICUDA

Jaiwill
08-02-2008, 04:08 AM
Hi all, I agree flight sims definately way to go. I guess depending on your budget/commitment whether you would go for a free/cheap sim or pay for something good. I personally just went for realflight, I cant comment on realism (compared to the cheaper stuff) but I can say that realflight is awesome. I have an ageing video card but still the graphics and realism to me is outstanding. I have learnt a lot with this sim and when i crash there is a reset button. It doesn't take long for sim to pay for itself....................;-)

Zoo
08-02-2008, 10:09 PM
Love my G4!!

Jaiwill
08-03-2008, 07:38 AM
Addon 4 just out dunno if you seen it yet.............:D:D:D


http://www.realflight.com/free-g4-add-ons.html

Zoo
08-03-2008, 11:03 AM
No I haven't...thanks Jaiwill!

rcroll
08-08-2008, 07:40 AM
thanks for your post.

Jaiwill
08-14-2008, 12:07 PM
No worries rcroll G4 rules!!!!!!

Zoo
08-14-2008, 12:28 PM
Yes.....indeed it does Jaiwill.... :)

Jaiwill
08-14-2008, 01:28 PM
you bin flying long?

Zoo
08-15-2008, 09:13 PM
nope...not long at all comparitively, but I'm retired so I have ALOT of flights under my belt & am coming to know that Super Cub,(as well as repairs on it), very well...but no. Not very long. About 2 months.
Zoo ~~~^..^~~~

Jaiwill
08-16-2008, 07:17 AM
Good little relaxing hobby this one, ive only just restarted. I flew with my father in the mid to late 70's then other things came into play:rolleyes::rolleyes:.

I have three lekky models now the easyfly st330, J3 grasshopper and S2-A pitts. loving being back in it. Cheers and happy flying, Go G4!!!!!!

Zoo
08-16-2008, 11:42 AM
Yeah when I was young and my DAD was still a Nassau County NY cop..we used to watch them fly at Mitchel Field,(everyone of em was big and gas powered),....it's an old air force base which is now Nassau Community College...I'll never forget it and THAT'S what got me back into this...well, that and I'm extremely ill & it's about all I can handle.....(no questions please)...
Zoo ~~~^..^~~~ ;)

Good little relaxing hobby this one, ive only just restarted. I flew with my father in the mid to late 70's then other things came into play:rolleyes::rolleyes:.

I have three lekky models now the easyfly st330, J3 grasshopper and S2-A pitts. loving being back in it. Cheers and happy flying, Go G4!!!!!!

Jaiwill
08-16-2008, 12:07 PM
No probs Zoo respect on that one, and all the best.

bholden
08-19-2008, 06:56 AM
I'm using my FMS for helicopter flying practice. What a great simulator! Excellent for orientation, but despite getting very good at this, I'm still hopeless when I try the real thing! The main reason is in reality, the machine is less stable and things happen much much quicker. I factor in a little wind, which gives interesting results, but what I would really like is thermals, but this function doesn't seem to work on my FMS.

AEAJR
10-07-2008, 07:21 PM
FYI, for all you Mac and Linux users, I just upadated the first page to reflect the new link for the CRRCSim which is available on those operating systems.

Crrcsim is a model-airplane flight simulation program. Using it, you can learn how to fly model aircraft, test new aircraft designs, and improve your skills by practicing on your computer.

http://crrcsim.berlios.de/wiki/ (http://crrcsim.berlios.de/wiki/)



The flight model parameters are calculated based on a 3D representation of the aircraft. Stalls are properly modelled as well. Model control is possible with your own rc transmitter, or any input device such as joystick, mouse, keyboard ...

Software features
Open source
Runs on GNU/Linux, Mac OSX (ppc and rosetta compatible) and Windows (98/2000/XP)
3D representation of the aircraft
Very realistic flight model
Nice graphics if you have a 3D accelerator card
Great variety of how to control the model:
Use your R/C transmitter (connected to the parallel port, to the serial port via an "FMS PIC"-style cable or simply to your sound card's audio input)
Mouse
Joystick
Keyboard

amakipkip
11-22-2008, 05:07 PM
The Old FMS sucked but Alpha 8.5 is awesome! much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much better!

gramps2361
02-11-2009, 01:15 AM
http://www.rc-airplane-world.com/basic-rc-airplane-aerobatics.html I found this site quite awhile ago, helped me learn some basic manuvers and to be smoother when to apply throttel and when to let up might help someone out. I found it useful.

cedershack
03-12-2009, 05:43 AM
i just ordered a flight sim for me to get practice before i go crash i mean fly

Don Sims
03-27-2009, 12:27 PM
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/vbglossar.php?do=showentry&id=27

Wattwikki link to this great thread.

AEAJR
07-20-2009, 03:31 PM
Note that many of the RTF radios don't have trainer ports. Most of the sims use the trainer port to connect to the computer. So take this into account when you consider an RTF. If this will be your only radio you will need a trainer port or you will need a controller included with the flight sim.

AEAJR
10-13-2009, 11:12 AM
There is no question that the commercial Flight simulators, like Real Flight, are the best choice, if you have the money. But for those who are on tight budgets, there are many low cost packages that include a radio control simulator box and FMS. The great thing is these usually include the cables and instructions on how to set up the control box.

If you go to Yahoo.com and put in 'E Sky EK2-0905A FMS RC Airplane Heli Flight Simulator'

This is about a cheap as you can go and get a packaged flight simulator with controller.


One thing to check is to see if the controller is set up according to the "mode" of flight in your area.

In North America, we fly mostly Mode 2. Mode 2 has pitch and roll on the right stick with Yaw and speed on the left. There are other configurations in use around the world that have these things on different sticks. They are all valid, but you want to be sure that you are getting a simulator package that has a controller that is of the "mode" type that matches what people use in your area.

Mode 1 is quite popular in some parts of Europe for example. There are also Mode 3 and 4 packages.

slimsim60
10-13-2009, 10:01 PM
FMS can't be that realistic, there's no "land in tree" option.

ggunners
10-14-2009, 01:00 AM
There is a "crash in tree" option.

-- ggunners

grubbyjeans
10-14-2009, 04:57 AM
There is a "crash in tree" option.

-- ggunners

and we all know that 'landings' are just 'controlled crashes'. :D

slimsim60
10-14-2009, 10:41 AM
Controlled crashes!! you ain't seen some of my landings then,lol.

grubbyjeans
10-14-2009, 02:53 PM
Controlled crashes!! you ain't seen some of my landings then,lol.
:D:D:D:D:D

Squeal82
12-03-2009, 12:02 AM
Hi,

I have a Twister RC Helicopter that came with a USB trainer cable. It is a 4 channel FM radio. I have plugged it in and Windows has recognised it as a HID Compliant Game Controller but when I open FMS and try to calibrate it, there is no response when I move the controller. There is also no responce when I use the Windows Device Manager test page to test the controller. Does anyone know if the trainer cable should just plug in and be able to calibrate or is there another setting I am missing? Could the cable be faulty?

Thanks so much!

Rabbitcreekok
12-05-2009, 09:58 PM
Test Post

gramps2361
12-05-2009, 10:11 PM
I'll do a test to.

Don Sims
12-05-2009, 11:46 PM
tst

Bill Linske
12-06-2009, 01:58 PM
I have a pretty old flight simulator called RC Pilot. It's been working fine, but recently stopped working, the controller won't operate. I'm using Windows XP and seem to be having trouble with the XP drivers. Any thoughts?

AEAJR
12-28-2009, 11:35 PM
I have a pretty old flight simulator called RC Pilot. It's been working fine, but recently stopped working, the controller won't operate. I'm using Windows XP and seem to be having trouble with the XP drivers. Any thoughts?
My first question is always, what did you chante.

Computers are pretty dumb things. If it worked yesterday it should work today. Unless you downloaded an update, or added a new piece of HW or SW or ..... changed something.

Any ideas?

Bill Linske
12-29-2009, 02:39 PM
aeajr,

Thanks for the info. I've moved on and ordered a new Sim from HobbyPartz for about $20.00. See if it works. I've had this one as a demo when I had my computer business over six years ago. Thought I could sell many RC Pilots, but didn't ( too expensive). It doesn't owe me anything and I don't want to fool around with it. I think it was done in by a Microsoft XP update.

Voyager2lcats
01-01-2012, 08:38 PM
I recently loaded the FMS version 2.0, Beta 7.0 to my Windows XP desktop PC and had all kinds of problems getting it to recognize my GWS GWT4AII transmitter. I have a parallel port (remember that old big-pin printer port we no longer use?) connector for my transmitter. Here is a link to a post I found- miraculously- that solved my problems completely: http://home.arcor.de/wkracht/modellbau/radiointerface/PPJoyHowTo.htm. I needed PPJoy so Windows XP can emulate the TX as a joystick. The key on this was that I need to set an IRQ (interupt) setting for the printer port to make it work, otherwise beat your head into the wall!:blah: This works. I hope it will help others like me. FMS is free and it is harder than real flying, so it is a great training tool!

Ribcracker
01-02-2012, 01:45 AM
Thanks for that! It takes some of the mystery and frustration out of these weird set-ups. I've tried beating my head against the wall and that hasn't done me much good. Maybe your fix will.
By the way, does anybody know if a RealFlight "Futaba" interlink controller will work with other sims such as FS One, Phoenix, or FMS?

ggunners
01-02-2012, 03:02 PM
For ClearView, FMS and RC Desk Pilot, if your controller can be seen and calibrated with Windows Control Panel, Game Controllers, it can then be used in each of those 3 sims. If the sim requires a dongle or special USB cable, then you need the special cable. -- ggunners

Ribcracker
01-02-2012, 03:48 PM
Thank you, ggunners, that's very helpful.
Many years ago I bought the FS One sim without the TacCon controller and quickly learned what a hassle it is to configure with my Hitec Txs. So I mostly used FMS but I had to switch cables to do it, e.g. I couldn't access FMS with the FS One cable.
I'd like to use a "dedicated" TX with the FS One sim that I could leave configured and TacCon controllers are no longer available. I sometimes see RealFlight controllers on eBay real cheap so I thought I'd try it.
It sounds like you're saying I could use a RealFlight controller as long as I can "adapt" it to the FS One cable (dongle). I hope that's right.

ggunners
01-09-2012, 12:59 PM
In theory, a RealFlight controller could be plugged into an FSOne dongle and all things would work. This specific configuration sounds less likely to end in success. See if someone else has done this first. If FSOne's dongle requires a raw RC transmitter trainer port signal, then this will not work. -- ggunners

Ribcracker
01-10-2012, 06:55 PM
ggunners,
Your timing is perfect. I was just about to pull the trigger on the RealFlight controller when I discovered that for $30 more I could get it with RealFlight basic software through Tower with free shipping. My dissatisfaction with the FSOne software is that it's too damb confusing. That's why I actually prefer FMS but I'd like a little more realism than that so the RealFlight basic should fill the bill.
What I'll prolly do is ditch the FSOne on EBay and live happily ever after.
I want you to know that you've helped me out in the past and surely thousands of other people have also benefited from your generosity and dedication to our hobby. So, thank you! You're a real credit to these forums...a valuable asset.
Peace,
rib

AEAJR
01-12-2012, 02:08 PM
THE FMS FORUM HAS LOTS OF HELP FOR YOU IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING FMS WORKING ON YOUR COMPUTER


how to get FMS to work with Windows Vista and perhaps windows 7
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html


Tips for Windows XP and Vista
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html



Techniques for finding and fixing problems
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html


Other Windows related topics
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html


Hardware Interface issues
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html


Add-on Models and Landscapes
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html


Other general topics
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html


FMS Frequently Asked Questions
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html