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ozcoz
01-22-2006, 04:02 AM
i have a super decathalon and i hav fond not a begginer plane like they said i was thinking the gws 300 slow stick complete package

Twmaster
01-22-2006, 05:05 AM
Welcome to WattFlyer ozcoz!

The Slow Stick is a good choice for the beginner. Also, there are many threads regarding beginner airplanes. Cruise the beginners forum or use the search feature and read away.

:D

Tailspin Ken
01-22-2006, 06:01 AM
Ozcoz,
For a first plane there are many good choices. There are a couple other GWS planes that fit the bill... the Pico Tigermoth, and the Pico J3F( the slope glider kit for this plane is only $15.75). The Mountain Models Dusk Stick and Magpie are also good choices. If you like to build a balsa kit, the Stevens Aero Squirt is an excellent plane. And there are many others! These planes all have a dedicated following and threads on this forum and RC Groups that contain a lot of helpful information about these planes. I suggest that you search some of those threads and visit some of the online vendors to gather more info. Good luck with your search.. Let us know what you get.

Ken

n001pa
01-22-2006, 09:33 AM
The Slow Stick is about the best beginner plane around. There are alot of other great beginner planes around but my money would go towards the SS.

flyranger
01-22-2006, 03:54 PM
I love the flexibility of my slow stick. Running a lipo battery and an outrunner. Modified the wing for ailerons for better control in wind.

ozcoz
01-22-2006, 06:34 PM
thanks

AEAJR
01-24-2006, 02:45 AM
If you are looking at a slow stick, that tells me you are bypassing the RTF planes. That shows a greater level of commitment and confidence. Good

I will comment on planes second. First, let me suggest a radio or two, since you will need one.

Starter Radios

I have a very specific position on radios. Don't buy a Standard Radio!!!

Computer radios are now so inexpensive and offer so much more than standard
radios that it doesn't make sense to get anything but a computer radio. Don't
get me wrong, there are many good standard radios, but for only a few bucks
more you get a much more capable computer radio that can do more for you than
any standard radio and can save you money by time you get the second plane.
They can also make it easier to fly your plane, perform aerobatics and more.

Below are five radios. All will fly your typical parkflyer. All but the DX6
can also be purchased with larger servos suitable for larger planes and
gliders. Two are standard radios, for the uncommitted or low budget first
time flyer. These will get your plane off the ground with very basic radio
features for a low price. Each package I list include radio, micro servos,
micro receiver.

STANDARD RADIOS

Hitec Neon 3 - 3 channel standard radio $59
2 micro servos, micro receiver, switch, etc
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLGF4**&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLGF4**&P=7)
For $19 you can add a trainer port to this:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXDEK8&P=V (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXDEK8&P=V)

This package is such good value for that first 3 channel ARF or kit, if you
can't afford a computer radio. ( more on that later ) If you bought the two
servos and the receiver by themselves, that would come to about $60. So this
is about as cheap as you can get into a hobby grade radio that will fly a
three channel R/E/T or A/E/T parkflyer or 3 channel
glider ARF or kit plane. It also does not include rechargeable batteries which
the others do. You run this one on standard AA batteries.

It includes mixing for flying wings or V-tail 3 channel planes as well as
servo reversing. It does not have ATV/EPA or dual rates, however these can be
added later at extra cost. . You can also add a trainer port for
use with an instructor or to connect to a flight simulator. You can add a 4th
channel but it is limited so don't think of this as a 4 channel radio. It
can't fly a 4 channel plane.


Hitec Laser 4 - 4 Channel Standard Radio $129
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXANT7**&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXANT7**&P=ML)
My minimum recommended 4 channel standard radio for A/E/R/Throttle parkflyer,
glow plane or 4 channel glider. Radio, micro receiver, 3 micro servos,
Switch harness, etc. It will fly a 4 channel aileron plane. Includes V-tail
and Elevon mixing, servo reversing, ATV on ch 1&2 . Also has a trainer port
that can be used with fight simulators or a buddy box.

While the Laser is a good radio, pick the Laser 4 only if you are unsure you
will continue in the hobby and want to spend as little as possible to get a 4
channel plane into the air. Not my recommendation for a committed flyer who
plans to continue in the hobby.


COMPUTER RADIOS - Much Better Choice

In short, computer radios give you things like model memories, exponential, a
variety of surface mixes and more; features not found on standard radios.
Your computer radio can store the profile for many planes and reset itself for
each plane by just selecting the model. Standard radios don't have model
memories or a lot of the other features that computer radios offer. With a
computer radio, you only need one radio to fly a bunch of planes, rather than
dedicating a radio to each plane, or resetting the radio each time you change
planes. Computer radios are great! In the end, they are cheaper. more
convenient AND can make it easier for a new flyer to learn to fly.

These are all 6 channel radios so they will let you fly more advanced planes
then either of the radios above.

Spektrum DX 6 - $199 - For the committed Parkflyer pilot
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPM2460 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPM2460)
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=623 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=623)
If your plans are to fly small to medium sized electrics, often called
parkflyers, hand launched gliders with wing spans under 60 inches, this might
be your best choice. The DX6 is suitable for flying around 1500 to 2000 feet
out. That is about 5-7 football fields away. This is more then enough for
these plane and further than most people will fly them. It has a nice mix of
features, 10 model memories and is backed by Horizon Hobby, so you can be
confident of good service. You will never worry about channel conflict again.
This promises to be the RC technology of the future.

Digital DSMT Spread Spectrum Modulation
10 model memories, dual rates, exponential, 6 channels, 8 standard mixes and
three programmable mixes. No crystals needed and no channel conflict control
needed

DX6 Flight experience thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452817&page=2&pp=15 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452817&page=2&pp=15)
More information on DX6 - Spektrum
http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6.html (http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6.html)


Futaba 6 EXAS - Entry Level 6 Channel Computer Radio - $160
micro receiver, 3 micro servos, Switch- $160
Receiver in this package is not appropriate for sailplanes or glow planes.
OK for parkflyers/low speed electrics.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJUV7**&P=ML (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJUV7**&P=ML)

The Futaba 6EXAS is an entry level computer radio for the committed flyer who
also plans to fly glow planes, thermal duration gliders or electrics over 60"
wing
span. Six channels, 6 model memories, a good mix of features and convenience
that will carry you a long way. The link is to a package that is good for
parkflyers, but there are other packages if you need larger/stronger
components for larger planes. For about $30 more than the Laser 4 radio you
are miles ahead in capability!

Airtronics VG 6000 - $160
http://www.airtronics.net/VG6000.htm (http://www.airtronics.net/VG6000.htm)
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEUY5**&P=7 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEUY5**&P=7)
This particular package is very attractive for small electrics. Comes with two
small servos AND a 20 amp ESC. 6 channels, 4 model memories, a good mix of
features to carry you forward. The VG 6000 is also available with larger
components so it can also fly glow planes, and TD gliders that need greater
range than the DX6 offers.

There are lots of other good choices in computer radios that have more
channels, more features and a higher price. however these would be excellent
choices for the first time radio buyer or someone stepping up from RTFs who
knows they will continue in the hobby.

AEAJR
01-24-2006, 02:47 AM
Slow stick - $35 -
Best flown in still to under 5 mph breeze. This is an excellent choice for
people who have a smaller space to fly.
Can also be flown indoors in a gym or similar space.
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_53&products_id=2 (http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_53&products_id=2)
or
Slow stick Complete Package incl radio - $150
(need battery charger)
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=602 (http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=602)
The Slow Stick Info Site
http://mattsrc.rchomepage.com/ssir/index.shtml (http://mattsrc.rchomepage.com/ssir/index.shtml)
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=75 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=75)
Discussion Thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122951 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122951)
souped up slow sticks - video
http://skrogg.com/wed.wmv (http://skrogg.com/wed.wmv)

Tiger Moth - $50
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_53&products_id=20 (http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_53&products_id=20)
or
Tiger moth Complete Package incl. radio - $150
(need battery charger)
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=343 (http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=343)
Best flown in still to under 5 mph breeze.
This is an excellent choice for people who have a smaller space to fly. Can
also be flown indoors in a gym or similar space. Cool looking little plane.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=GWS1020 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=GWS1020)
Review
http://www.backyardflyer.com/BY/articles/tiger_moth.asp (http://www.backyardflyer.com/BY/articles/tiger_moth.asp)

Tipsey - $55
Remove the wing and it goes back in the box for simple
protected transport or keep in the car fun!
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/tipsy.htm (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/tipsy.htm)
Review
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/pdf/gr6232.pdf (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/pdf/gr6232.pdf)
http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?sid=498277416&t=article&cat=198&id=3871 (http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?sid=498277416&t=article&cat=198&id=3871)

Magpie -
I recommend the $55 package with two wings.
Has slow fly/trainer wing AND an aileron sport wing.
Master the first, then advance to the second.
They offer a complete package with both wings and all the electroncis for $160
Makes it so easy to get it right!
http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php)
discussion threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225)
Video - slow fly wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv (http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv)
Sport wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/MagpieSP.wmv (http://www.mountainmodels.com/MagpieSP.wmv)

SmoothE - E$50
Easy to build Balsa and foam kit. Build as 3 Channel Slow Flyer
Optional 4 channel aileron trainer when you are ready
http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php)
Discussion Threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234349&highlight=SmoothE+build (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234349&highlight=SmoothE+build)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205796&page=19&pp=15 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205796&page=19&pp=15)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225)
http://www.rcgroups.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26714&sort=1&cat=500&page=1 (http://www.rcgroups.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26714&sort=1&cat=500&page=1)
Funny video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV (http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV)

Carbon Falcon ARF - $140 including servos
Almost nothing to build. This may be the ultimate take it with you plane
Folds up to almost nothing for travel or for keep in the car fun!
http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/p2.html (http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/p2.html)
Discussion
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272229 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272229)
Review
http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?t=article&cat=198&id=4236 (http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?t=article&cat=198&id=4236)
Video
http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/videos.html (http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/videos.html)

Frog - Foam kit CL2 - $39
http://www.foamfly.com/customer/product.php?productid=18399&cat=&page=&XCARTSESSID=04d939c11f21a1aae3acfe94b8213f09 (http://www.foamfly.com/customer/product.php?productid=18399&cat=&page=&XCARTSESSID=04d939c11f21a1aae3acfe94b8213f09)
Instructions
http://www.foamfly.com/Plans/Frog_Instructions.PDF (http://www.foamfly.com/Plans/Frog_Instructions.PDF)

Dandy - $42 - CL2
Wood kit
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandy.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandy.php)
Complete package - $122
Build thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359035 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359035)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225)
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandy.wmv (http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandy.wmv)

Dusk Stik $40 CL2
Balsa Wood Kit
Similar to GWS Slow stick or ParkZone Slo-V in design
http://www.mountainmodels.com/duskstik.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/duskstik.php)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225)
Complete package with all electroncis - $112
http://www.mountainmodels.com/duskstik.php (http://www.mountainmodels.com/duskstik.php)

T-IFO - $75 including Motor
http://www.flyifo.com/htmlpages/tifo.html (http://www.flyifo.com/htmlpages/tifo.html)
Complete package with radio - $275
http://www.flyifo.com/htmlpages/ordertifo.html (http://www.flyifo.com/htmlpages/ordertifo.html)#
Review
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4117 (http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4117)

sobamaflyer
01-24-2006, 02:31 PM
This should be stickied!......in fact, is there a way for it to automatically pop up and not go away until read completely upon first entering of the beginner's forum???? ;)

AEAJR
01-24-2006, 07:13 PM
sobamaflyer (http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/member.php?u=1992) vbmenu_register("postmenu_39765", true);

There are some good stickies at the top of the forum now. Be sure you look them over. I post this kind of material all the time, depending on the questions asked as most new flyers have the same questions. So I develop these and evolve them over time.

Ask away. We are here to help.

sobamaflyer
01-24-2006, 08:06 PM
Actually I was more intending that help for folks like the originator of this thread. You (AEAJR) should be commended for your helpful mass of information, I've been soaking it up for quite a while now :)

AEAJR
03-30-2006, 12:01 PM
i have a super decathalon and i hav fond not a begginer plane like they said i was thinking the gws 300 slow stick complete package

Ozcoz,

How goes the flying? Did you get the Slow Stick?

Don Sims
03-30-2006, 01:11 PM
Just wanted to add the Push-E-Cat a plane that is durable, built with EPP foam so it's bouncable, fairly easy to build, flies well, and has allowed many people learn to fly:

http://polecataero.com/products/push-e-cat

Since it is a pusher, you don't break as many props and if you build it light enough, you can catch thermals with it.