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micron929rr
09-29-2008, 04:36 PM
Well, Im looking into upgrading from my small Axe CP-L to something on a larger scale like the Century Swift RTF....

I was looking at the Blade 400, but it's still too small. Does anyone have any thought on a new one w/o breaking two banks? :)

I know the Trex 600 is a very nice bird...but it's probably out of my price range.

Please let me know your suggestions....Glad to be a part of this forum

theecoop
09-29-2008, 06:48 PM
maybe a t-rex 500 ,had a local hobbiest get one ,wow it is sweet not sure on cost though

RyuuChi
09-29-2008, 07:21 PM
what is your price range?

CHELLIE
09-29-2008, 07:45 PM
Hi I have a new, never flown century swift arf 30 size heli for sale, with motor, gear and ESC for 275.00 plus shipping, $20.00 to $30.00 approx for shipping, best guess :) PM me if interested, Chellie


I have a new JR gyro G410 T and newer hitec flight pack with HS 425BB ball bearing servos, used once, and a supreme receiver for sale too,

100.00 for the gyro
85.00 for the flight pack, 4 BB 425 servos, servos used once, and 1 supreme receiver hitec

http://www.ehobbies.com/jrpg410t.html

JR G410T Basic Tail Lock Gyro - G410T

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micron929rr
09-30-2008, 07:54 PM
Hoping for around $800 or slightly more

Looking at this kit..
Let me know what you guys think...Im new to the kit building :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/FREESHIP-Align-Trex-T-rex-600-CF-RC-Helicopter-kit-v6_W0QQitemZ120311430331QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item12 0311430331&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A16%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Now which gyro is better....the RCE600 or GP700?
Radio?
Battery?

What else do I need?

WEFlyer
10-05-2008, 02:29 PM
Hoping for around $800 or slightly more

Looking at this kit..
Let me know what you guys think...Im new to the kit building :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/FREESHIP-Align-Trex-T-rex-600-CF-RC-Helicopter-kit-v6_W0QQitemZ120311430331QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item12 0311430331&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A16%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Now which gyro is better....the RCE600 or GP700?
Radio?
Battery?

What else do I need?


You have to watch eBay and really learn what you need UPFRONT before you bid there. That kit is without the main blades so you need to buy them. I really question the eBay low prices before buying. I saw a Futaba 10C radio for $436. I was ready to jump on it until the smaller print showed it had no receive. It actually would be a more expensive option to buy it if I wanted the default receiver.

That kit also includes a 1680 kv moto. What are your goals with the helicopter? That moto might not be suitable for your needs? You should research power systems before making a decision. Batteries are expensive for this class. Two packs of batteries can possibly cost more than the helicopter. Crashes will be more expensive to fix. That is offest by a heli that hopefully is easier to handle with hovering and flys better in the wind.

Also you'll need a radio, 5 servos, a tail gyro, a battery charger, a extra battery would be nice and likely a crash kit unless you don't mind waiting for the parts to arrive after a crash. From what I have been reading on a TT550, it was mentioned that the servos in the smaller helis possibly won't be suitable for this bigger class.

It would be good to find threads in the various forums out there that talk about the helis you are interested in purchasing and read through them. You learn about the pluses and minuses and what you might need to upgrade early on for your goals in flying that particular bird.

micron929rr
10-05-2008, 03:32 PM
Leaning towards the trex 500 or century swift 550 or 16

I know they are different birds, but want something in this size range. Do not want a 600 class because I know batteries are a fortune.

Not quite sure about the electric motor....is there a site I can go to read up on them? Im assuming a higher kv takes more power and creates more power?

Looking at the Futaba 7C 7-CH 2.4GHz HELI TX with 4-S3152 servos and the GY401. Is this a good combo for mild 3D flying?

A high maH 6S battery, the above radio, servo and gyro. Will this work good on a 500 class heli?

micron929rr
10-05-2008, 03:41 PM
http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=4316

Century makes this 6S combo....is 6S enough to do mild 3D on a bird this size though?

WEFlyer
10-05-2008, 08:42 PM
http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=4316

Century makes this 6S combo....is 6S enough to do mild 3D on a bird this size though?

Unfortunately I can't tell you that. Don't know enough yet. You should check out sites like Helifreak, RCGroups or RunRyder as they all have specific forums/threads for those specific birds. Some helis are more popular some places versus other. But the threads tell you building issues, parts that might need to be replaced right away, power setups being used, etc. :<:

What I see from reading the fine print is that kit has no main blades, a battery and it comes with a unpainted white canopy. 6S that I just check out seem to run $200 dollars or more. According to the basic kit, if you drill down deeper, you would need this:

Just Provide (Items required to fly but not included):


1x 600mm - 620mm Main Blades
1x 6-Channel or better Radio Transmitter capable of 120 degree eCCPM
mixing with Transmitter Battery, and Transmitter Battery Charger
1x 6-Channel or better Receiver
1x Brushless Electric Motor
1x 50 amp or better Brushless ESC
1x Pinion / Motor Gear
4x Standard or better Servos
1x Heading Lock/Hold Gyro
1x 4S-10S Li-Po Battery/Batteries
1x Battery Charger
1x Transmiter Crystal
1x matching Receiver Crystal
1x Velcro Set (to hold battery)
1x BEC (optional but recommended)
1x RC Helicopter Tools

WEFlyer
10-05-2008, 09:06 PM
Leaning towards the trex 500 or century swift 550 or 16

I know they are different birds, but want something in this size range. Do not want a 600 class because I know batteries are a fortune.

Not quite sure about the electric motor....is there a site I can go to read up on them? Im assuming a higher kv takes more power and creates more power?

Looking at the Futaba 7C 7-CH 2.4GHz HELI TX with 4-S3152 servos and the GY401. Is this a good combo for mild 3D flying?

A high maH 6S battery, the above radio, servo and gyro. Will this work good on a 500 class heli?

From what I have seen folks putting in their birds, the S3512 servos have never been mentioned. A digital servo seems to be the standard to use for the tail and some prefer servos with metal gears vs plastic gears for crashes. GY401 seems to be the most recommended gyro.

The Futaba, JR or Spectrum radios are all fine. Just depends on whether you like the features and maybe the feel of the radio itself.

Basically I saw a description on trying to learn about RC helis is like trying to drink water coming out a fire hose. :roll: Basically you should read go through the various RC helis out there and do a lot of research. Good place to start:

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=41692

You find a lot of the helis mentioned there for building.

Electric Helicopter Beginner's Guide - Helicopter choices are outdated but lots of good information.
http://www.swashplate.co.uk/html/ehbg.html

micron929rr
10-06-2008, 12:38 AM
This isn't my first heli...just my first kit....I want to do sport flying more than 3D....just want to be able to fly loops, rolls, etc.... no crazy 3D stunts :)
Just want to make sure I have the power for doing this.....what would be a good bird for doing this in the 500 class? And these servos you mention or the better runs to run....do they have metal gears?

WEFlyer
10-06-2008, 01:04 PM
This isn't my first heli...just my first kit....I want to do sport flying more than 3D....just want to be able to fly loops, rolls, etc.... no crazy 3D stunts :)
Just want to make sure I have the power for doing this.....what would be a good bird for doing this in the 500 class? And these servos you mention or the better runs to run....do they have metal gears?

Depends on what you mean by 500 class. There seems to be no standard. An Thunderbird Titan E550 is a bigger heli than a Align TRex 500. The TRex seems to be the most popular for 425mm blades. At the websites I previously mentioned you'll find builder threads and forums dedicated to it. Seems to have a good power to weight ratio from what I read. After that, most seem to clones of some type. Not I don't think the Swift 16 is a clone and I have seen it recommended a bit but I have also seen threads indicating parts are getting hard to get. How true that is I don't know.

What I have seen, that more popular class is the helis with the 600mm or .50 size birds. Of course, it's a lot more expensive to fly due to the batteries.

As for the servos, as I mentioned before, I'm a beginner. Haven't tried to fly something in 25 years so I haven't even research servos yet. Still working a heli. :ws:

Check out the websites I mentioned. I'm finding lots of information checking out the dedicated threads to specific helicopters.

micron929rr
10-06-2008, 03:53 PM
OK Here is the setup Im planning on going with......and it's in my price range (unless Im forgetting something)

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=9307 (http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=9307) Align T-REX 500 CF KIT COMBO

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=4183 (http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=4183) Futaba (http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=6405) 401 GYRO with 9254 SERVO ****Is this a good servo? If not, which one will work?

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=242 (http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=242) Futaba 7C 7-CH 2.4GHz HELI TX, 4-S3152 ****Will these servos work for sport flying (rolls, loops, etc) Does it allow for remote gyro adjustment?

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=9012 (http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=9012) FlightPower EVO25 5000mAh 6S1P LI-PO (http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=6082) ****What kind of flight time will I get out of this pack?

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=2918 (http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=2918) Pitch Meter ***Is this a good one for this size heli? Does this allow paddle bar adjustment or need separate tool?
OR IS THIS KIT BETTER
http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=7620 (http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=7620) Helicopter World ASSORTED 14-PIECE TOOL KIT V1.9 + FREE DE/MAGNETIZER

http://www.cheapbatterypacks.com/?sid=1338122&pgid=chrg&scat=LIPO TP610C ***Is this a good charger?
Any other tools I need besides a blade balancer?
What kind of connectors should I use from the ESC to battery? It looks like the BEC (http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=4602) is part of the ESC to me.
Where can I find replacement blades (main and tail)?

BoysToys
10-06-2008, 11:33 PM
Let me see if I can help you out a little.

I see some issues with the parts you have listed.

The lipo you listed is for a T-Rex 600 and will not fit on a 500. You need to find a 6s 2500mah pack. These packs will balance the heli nicely and give you 5-6 minutes of flight time.

That tail servo is a full sized servo and not needed on a T-Rex 500. It will not fit in the servo bracket that will come in your kit. You can purchase the tail servo bracket for a T-Rex 600 and use it but it is overkill and extra weight you do not need. You would be better off with a Futaba S9650 or a S9257 on the tail.

The servos that come with that radio are also full sized servos and will not fit in the frame of the T-Rex 500. There is no way to get those to work in your application. You will need mini servos for the swash. Most run Hitech HS-5245, or Futaba S9650s on the swash.

I built my T-Rex 500CF about 9 months ago and it is still flying great. Mine is setup using the stock motor and esc that come in the kit. http://www.readyheli.com/KX017001TA_Align_TREX_500_CF_Kit_Combo_500L_BL_p/kx017001ta.htm

I am using Hitech HS-5245 digital/metal gear servos on the swash.
http://www.readyheli.com/Hitec_HS_5245_Mighty_Mini_2BB_MG_Servo_U_5245MG_p/hs5245mg.htm

Futaba S9650 servos will work well on the swash also.
http://www.readyheli.com/Futaba_S9650_Digital_Servo_p/futm0260.htm

I am using a Futaba GY401 gyro with a S9257 servo on the tail.
http://www.readyheli.com/Futaba_GY401_Heading_Hold_Gyro_p/futm0807.htm
http://www.readyheli.com/FUTM0667_S9257_Servo_EP_Heli_Digital_Rudder_Gyro_p/futm0667.htm

For a radio/ receiver, I am using a DX7/AR6200 combo.
http://www.readyheli.com/SPM2722_DX7_DSM2_7Ch_MicroLite_Heli_Radio_w_3_S28_ p/spm2722.htm


My favorite packs so far are the Outrage 6S 2500mah 25C packs. I get 5 minutes of aggresive sport flying out of these packs.
http://store.rcsupersales.net/servlet/-strse-3056/OUTRAGE-XP25-6S1P-2500mAH/Detail

I crashed and killed the stock blades that came with the kit. I am now running the Align 430mm carbons and really like them.
http://www.readyheli.com/H50072_430mm_Carbon_Blades_p/h50072.htm

You can find replacement blades and parts at any of the heli shops listed below.
Call a couple of these places and see if they will work a package deal with you.
http://www.readyheli.com/
http://www.tech-mp.com/index.htm
http://www.ronlund.com/
http://www.grandrc.com/home
http://www.helidirect.com/index.php
http://www.modefosheli.com/

You can build your own combo at Grand RC and save a few bucks.
http://www.grandrc.com/inc/sdetail/110121

This is a decent all in one package for a fair price if you want to get everything in one place.
http://www.helihobby.com/html/t_rex_500.html

Hope this helps. The 500 is a great flying helicopter. The only reason I stopped flying mine as much is because I built a T-Rex 600. The 500 is much quicker than the 600 but does not have the "presence" the 600 does. Good luck with your final decision and have fun with your build!!!

micron929rr
10-07-2008, 02:11 AM
Thanks so much for the info!!

Are the Align servos and gyro just as good as the Futaba ones? I heard some problems with Hitec...is that true?

BoysToys
10-07-2008, 03:18 AM
I have never used the Align gyros or servos. The only problems with the Hitech HS-5245 servos is the weak case design. I bought them thinking that with metal gears they would be indestructable. I was wrong. Instead of replacing stripped gears, I am replacing broken servos cases after a crash. If I was building my 500 today, I would likely use Futaba S9650 servos on the swash and just plan on replacing gears after a crash. Either way you are likely to be doing some work on the servos after a crash. The JR Z3650 servos are also very popular, but they are high dollar servos.
http://www.readyheli.com/JR_Z3650_Digital_Hi_Speed_Mini_Servo_p/jrpsz3650.htm

As for the gyro, you really can't go wrong with the Gy401. It is a good gyro for the money. Pair it with a Futaba S9650 or S9257 and you are good to go. Many guys even use it on larger T-Rex 600 helicopters, with a full size tail gyro, for basic sport flying. My only complaint about it is its incosistent piro rate while in forward flight. I run a GY401 on both my 450 and 500. I use a LogicTech 6100t/6100G combo on my 600.

I have read great things about the JR 7703d gyro but don't have any experience with it.
http://www.readyheli.com/JR_G7703D_S3500G_Gyro_Servo_Combo_Pack_p/jrpg7703dc3.htm

micron929rr
10-07-2008, 01:17 PM
The case for the HS-5245 servos are only $6 + shipping....Aren't gears more than that?

http://www.helihobby.com/html/t_rex_500.html The first kit on here comes with everything I need to fly....what do you guys think about it? How are the Hitec servos? I know something is going to break on me when I crash, but isn't the case cheaper than the gears? How about the radio...does it allow for remote gyro gain adjustment? How long will the battery keep me in the air?

http://helihobby.com/html/nitro_trex_helicopter.html
Dominator Combo Pack of the Trex 600 Nitro/Electric with or without DX7
How about this combo??

BoysToys
10-07-2008, 03:08 PM
The case for the HS-5245 servos are only $6 + shipping....Aren't gears more than that?


Yes the cases are a little cheaper. However, the S9650s fit in the frame of the 500 better than the HS-5245. The Hitecs require spacers and don't fit the cutouts in the frame as nice as the Futaba S9650s.



http://www.helihobby.com/html/t_rex_500.html The first kit on here comes with everything I need to fly....what do you guys think about it? How are the Hitec servos? I know something is going to break on me when I crash, but isn't the case cheaper than the gears?

Those servos should work fine for what you want them to do. I believe that the HS-82mg servos are an analog version of the HS-5245.




How about the radio...does it allow for remote gyro gain adjustment?


Yes. That radio will do everything that a DX7 will do on an electric heli. If you ever plan to build a nitro heli you should look into something with at least 7 channels.





How long will the battery keep me in the air?


You will likely get about 5 minutes worth of flight time with that battery. 5-6 minutes is pretty much the norm on larger helicopters like the 500. The largest pack that I know of that will fit under the 500s canopy is an Outrage 6S 3000mah pack. You might be able to squeak out an extra minute of flight with those packs. But they are also heavier (which will mess with your balance/CG) and more expensive than the 2500 packs. If you want more flight time buy more batteries or take your charger to the field. I find that with 2-3 packs for each of my 3 helicopters and two chargers out at the field, I can fly as much as I like in a day.

Check out these two forums and you can see what setups are working for others with a 500.

Helifreak 500 forum http://www.helifreak.com/forumdisplay.php?f=90

RunRyder TRex Electric forum http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/f94p1/

micron929rr
10-07-2008, 03:14 PM
Wow...only five minutes? Thought I would get about 10 out of it :(

Should I really look into digital servos? Or will the analogs work fine?

Does the Trex 450 get any better flight times?

MaxAdventure
10-07-2008, 09:03 PM
I suggest you look here for a charger: http://www.fmadirect.com/

and for a great gyro/servo combo: http://www.hitecrcd.com/servos/show?name=HG-5000+Gyro+w%2F5083+digital+servo

some say it's better than a 401, it's at least equivalent IMHO.

I say buy bigger better charger than you need, so you don't regret getting something that can't do what you want six months later.

Trex 500 is great, but if you're not convinced it's big enough, look at the Mikado Logo's. They're really nice.

Balil
10-08-2008, 02:03 AM
your flight times depend on how much current your motor/esc combo is drawing... if you're drawing a high amperage your flight times are going to be short.. which is why people are getting 6-10 minutes of full 3d out of the gaui 200 with a 2s 800mah pack.

BoysToys
10-08-2008, 07:12 AM
I suggest you look here for a charger: http://www.fmadirect.com/

and for a great gyro/servo combo: http://www.hitecrcd.com/servos/show?name=HG-5000+Gyro+w%2F5083+digital+servo

some say it's better than a 401, it's at least equivalent IMHO.

I say buy bigger better charger than you need, so you don't regret getting something that can't do what you want six months later.

Trex 500 is great, but if you're not convinced it's big enough, look at the Mikado Logo's. They're really nice.



The FMA chargers are great. I have a CellPro 10S and really like it. I agree with you on spending a little extra to get a powerful charger. In addition to my 10S, I also have a couple Hyperion EOS0610i chargers and like them as well. The Hyperion Duo is a sweet dual charger than can charge two 6S lipos at the same time.
http://www.b-p-p.com/product.php?productid=118&cat=0&page=1

That Hitech gryo looks alot like the Logictech 2100t gyro. I run the 6100T on my 600 and really like it.
Here is a link to the 2100T
http://www.readyheli.com/Logictech_2100T_LTS_3100G_Combo_p/138520.htm

Here is the 6100T. This combo comes with a full sized gyro for the tail and you will need a mini servo for the 500.
http://www.readyheli.com/LogicTech_6100T_6100G_High_Speed_T_R_Servo_Gyro_p/138370.htm

And those Logos are VERY nice helis. A local guy flys a Logo 600 with a VBar on 10S and it is a MONSTER! The only problem is the $$$$ it takes to build an maintain them.




Wow...only five minutes? Thought I would get about 10 out of it :(

Should I really look into digital servos? Or will the analogs work fine?

Does the Trex 450 get any better flight times?

Yep only five minutes per flight with my 500 on a 6S 2500mah pack.

The analog servos should work just fine unless you are a hard core 3D stick banger.

And no, the 450 does not get any longer flight times. I have my timer set at 5 minutes on all three of my helis, T-Rex 450 ~T-Rex 500 ~ and T-Rex 600. If you want 9-10 minute flights you need to start looking into nitro helis. I fly with a couple of guys that fly nitros and I am always envious of their long flight times. However, they are envious of how clean my helis stay and how much instant power they have.

MaxAdventure
10-08-2008, 01:41 PM
That Hitech gryo looks alot like the Logictech 2100t gyro. I run the 6100T on my 600 and really like it.
Here is a link to the 2100T
http://www.readyheli.com/Logictech_2100T_LTS_3100G_Combo_p/138520.htm



Yes, my understanding is they partnered, same gyro, different stickers. Just a nice small/light alternative to a 401

GANJAR
10-09-2008, 03:21 PM
I have a heli that has only been hovered a handful of times, and Foward Flight only like 3 flights. The electronics were babied and has just been tipped over in hover a few times, no hard crashes at all. I would be willing to give you the worlds greatest deal on it for 500 with a DX7 and reciever included. Have reciepts for everythign so it's all still valid for warranty. Inludes tons and tons of stuff, charger, balancer, ect ect ect, everythign you could possibly need and more and enough spares to cover any crash 5 times over. If you are interested PM me cause i dont feel like typing everything out right now, would take a good while . 500$ for everything, spent over 1600$ so just let me know. 3 batteries Flight Power Evo's 2500's and stock.