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CactusJackSlade
01-27-2006, 04:58 AM
Are you guys sizing your photos fairly large then reducing the quality to get the file size small enough?

How are you getting those nice large photos posted?

CJS

aviatordave
01-27-2006, 05:29 AM
Here is a microsoft resizer that lets you right click on an image to resize it right in place. It creates a copy of the resized image in the same folder. just right click on it and select what size (1024x768 or 800x600 is best for here).

http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...ertoySetup.exe

Its been discussed by the admin here http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670

Looks like they will upgrade so we can post better pics....I think this forum will benefit most from it!

-Dave

Geoff_Gino
01-27-2006, 11:04 AM
Yep sure is - it's what I am using and it's very easy to use (takes no time at all)

rca
01-27-2006, 11:52 PM
My personal favorite is a freeware program by the name of Faststone. It is great. It will let you resize an entire directory, change the name in the process, use frame edges, etc.

Highly recommended.

http://www.faststone.org/

admin
01-28-2006, 12:43 AM
My personal favorite is a freeware program by the name of Faststone. It is great. It will let you resize an entire directory, change the name in the process, use frame edges, etc.

Highly recommended.

http://www.faststone.org/

good find! they have some cool stuff on that page. going to try a few of them. thanks.

I have been using googles free picasa (www.picasa.com (http://www.picasa.com)) for alot of image viewing, printing, resizing, emailing functions which is pretty good too. finds all the pics on your drive, puts them in folders and then you can easily fix, share, email, print, etc any of them. price is perfect too (free!).

also I'm looking at the code again for the resize now to see how far I can get..if you try and upload tonight and something blows up you know I'm in the code and something is "in progress"

marc

Big_Bird
01-28-2006, 03:08 PM
A great free photo resizing and editing piece of software is from:
www.irfanview.com (http://www.irfanview.com)

I use it almost daily.

VagabondAero
01-30-2006, 01:03 AM
Fastone is awesome; I've been using two of their programs for a while and I have found none better.
-GerryL

Ribcracker
02-13-2006, 03:41 AM
[quote=rca;40706]My personal favorite is a freeware program by the name of Faststone. It is great. It will let you resize an entire directory, change the name in the process, use frame edges, etc.

Highly recommended.

http://www.faststone.org/[/
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I downloaded faststone but I can't figure out how to use it.
If I resize a photo in my camera's edit funtion, it comes out at about 80 KBs and it looks great and blows up quite well.
If I resize a 600 KB photo down to 80 using Faststone, it looks like hell and is unrecognizable when blown up. What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any advice for me? I'd love to post some of my AP pix.

Ribcracker
02-14-2006, 03:28 AM
To give you some idea of the difference between the quality of resizing with the internal edit function of my camera, and the quality of resizing with Faststone...check this out. Both pictures started out at around 600 KBs and went down to about 80. First pic is pretty nice, second pic (with faststone) is a joke.
It looks like I'm bad-mouthing faststone but really, I'm just trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong. Any ideas?:confused:

Ribcracker
02-14-2006, 03:39 AM
I just got an error message that said they can't upload the second picture because it exceeds maximum file size which is 1200X1000. My second photo is only 78 KBs and yet it is 2048X1536! Huh? What is the secret?

Big_Bird
02-14-2006, 03:58 AM
To give you some idea of the difference between the quality of resizing with the internal edit function of my camera, and the quality of resizing with Faststone...check this out. Both pictures started out at around 600 KBs and went down to about 80. First pic is pretty nice, second pic (with faststone) is a joke.
It looks like I'm bad-mouthing faststone but really, I'm just trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong. Any ideas?:confused:
See post #6. It's really good. Honest

rca
02-14-2006, 06:41 AM
I downloaded faststone but I can't figure out how to use it.
If I resize a photo in my camera's edit funtion, it comes out at about 80 KBs and it looks great and blows up quite well.
If I resize a 600 KB photo down to 80 using Faststone, it looks like hell and is unrecognizable when blown up. What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any advice for me? I'd love to post some of my AP pix.

Are you using the resize/resample option in Faststone? Are you selecting a different size to resize your photo too, like from 2048x1536 to 600x480, or are you messing with the DPI?

I'm not sure exactly what you are doing, but based on your post about the Faststone resized picture looking poor but the upload still saying it was full size, it sounds like you are changing the resolution but not the size of the picture.

What you need to be changing is the size of the pictures width and height. If you reduce that number down it will get smaller but still keep the same resolution or dots per inch (DPI), which is what you want.

I actually use Faststone instead of IRfanview because I think the interface is better with Faststone. Personal preference I know.

Ribcracker post again if this doesn't help.

qban_flyer
02-14-2006, 08:04 AM
With photos that I intend for web page publishing and or posting, I set my camera to 640X480 size. The only thing I do to the image is to touch it up a bit with my photo altering software.

Photo editing software I use are "MS Picture It! 2002" and ULEAD's "iPhoto Plus 4". The "Photo Editor" feature (they call it a tool) that comes with MS "Office XP Professional" is rather handy as well.

Photo below was taken @ 640X480 then manipulated with MS "Photo Editor". :)

Ribcracker
02-15-2006, 01:59 AM
rca,
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Thank you for taking the time to help me. I did not realize that there were two "ways" to resize a photo, one being reduction of resolution and the other being reduction of the actual physical size. Why would anyone choose to degrade the resolution of their photo? Why would such an option even exist?
Anyway, you were right...I hadn't chosen resize/resample because I hadn't gone into Advanced Options and even if I had, I wouldn't have known what it meant. It's a good thing you pointed it out before I flipped out entirely.
Since you were so helpful, maybe you'd consider explaining some of the other options to me; I downloaded FastStone Photo Resizer 2.0. It has two option tabs which are Batch Convert and Batch Rename. I understand that. Under Batch Convert you select photos that you want to resize and park them in a window. Then you choose an output folder. If you click a button that says Settings, you'll find a sliding bar from one to ten to choose Quality. Then you have to choose the DCT Method which can be ISlow, IFast, or Float. I tried all three. Then there is an option called Smoothing with numbers from one to a hundred. I havn't messed with that. Then there is a check box titled Optimal Huffman. Huh? And a check box titled Progressive. What? And at last there is a check box titled Keep EXIF/IPTC Data.
Nowhere (under Settings) did I see an option to manipulate the "dimensions" of the photo.
Under Advanced Options there are tabs that say: Use Canvas Resize, Use Color Depth Change, Use Adjustments, Use DPI Changer (I didn't touch it, honest), Use Text, and Use Watermark. Do you have any idea what these things mean? Is it anything I need to know? If not, GOOD! How about we simplify things some. Will you tell me what settings you use with this program?
Thanks for being so helpful. I owe you BIG.

Big_Bird
02-18-2006, 01:43 AM
My personal favorite is a freeware program by the name of Faststone. It is great. It will let you resize an entire directory, change the name in the process, use frame edges, etc.

Highly recommended.

http://www.faststone.org/

I really like Irfanview, however, after spending about 5 hours today with FastStone Image Viewer and it's tutorial I'm crazy about it. One thing that I noticed when using resize, there was no "quality" pick of 10 - 100. However, there is when you use the e-mail resize function. I've found that 70 or 80 is about right. Also, the tutorial doesn't mention batch resize but it is available in the e-mail function as a copy to a file. Did I miss it otherwise?

rca
02-18-2006, 06:35 AM
OK,

Letís see what I can explain. On the Settings tab the Quality slider refers to the amount of compression you want to use on your photo. If you set it high, you donít compress much, but if you set it low you do. What the compression does is actually remove parts of the picture to make the file smaller and you get ďnoiseĒ or fuzzy looking edges. You canít see this as much on a monitor as you can in a printed picture. So the trade off is higher quality, bigger file, lower quality image, lower size file.


DCT Method is either ISlow, IFast or Float. These refer to the method used to perform the JPEG compression. What you need to know is that ISlow is slow, but pretty accurate, IFast is faster, but less accurate so you get more noise. Float can be the most accurate, but it is dependant on your PC and how your processor is configured, it can be really slow if you donít have the right hardware. ISlow is probably the safest bet.


Smoothing is a process of blurring a JPEG to try and reduce the visibility of noise. The smaller the number the less blurring. The blurring will be more noticeable with a higher number, so normally stick to less than 50. The file size is smaller the higher you go.


Optimal Huffman Iím honestly not sure about. I know it relates to the compression of the JPEG and optimizing how the compression is done, but Iím not sure what it gets you. I normally leave this unchecked.


Progressive will turn on progressive scan for your JPEG. This basically stores multiple layers of your image starting with a lower resolution and moving to a higher resolution. Viewed in a web browser with a slow internet connection you should see the low res image first, then get the higher res images as the file downloads.


Keep EXIF/IPTC Data just determines whether the information about the photo that your camera stores with the image, like date taken, f-stop and speed is kept with the picture after conversion. EXIF is a Japanese set standard and IPTC is set by the press.

You wonít find a setting for the size of the picture under Settings; this is just for how you want to handle the resize. The actual setting for the size of the picture is done under Advanced Options, Resize.

What do I normally use, not much honestly. I leave most everything at the defaults and only change the size of the picture I am converting. For instance, to batch convert a bunch of pictures I select:

Tools, Batch Convert
Select the images to convert
Click the Advanced Options, Resize
Select the size I want one side to be (normally a standard size like 640 or 800)
Select my output folder
Leave everything else as is
Click Start
Look at my smaller picturesHope that helps.

rca

Big_Bird
02-18-2006, 04:11 PM
You have been a great help. Thanks. Anything else you can think of be sure and post it.

Ken

Ribcracker
02-18-2006, 05:59 PM
rca,
You have done a great service today for a lot of befuddled digital photographers. Your explanations are concise and easily understood. I'd be curious to know how you gained such knowledge. Trial and error? Secret source? No matter...you did it and I thank you. I just wish such instructions came with all software. We really need a guy like you. Thanks so much.
Peace,
Bud (the cracker)

Big_Bird
02-18-2006, 08:29 PM
OK,

Letís see what I can explain. On the Settings tab the Quality slider refers to the amount of compression you want to use on your photo. If you set it high, you donít compress much, but if you set it low you do. What the compression does is actually remove parts of the picture to make the file smaller and you get ďnoiseĒ or fuzzy looking edges. You canít see this as much on a monitor as you can in a printed picture. So the trade off is higher quality, bigger file, lower quality image, lower size file.

Ok I found the Quality slider under Settings, JPEG. That works fine.

DCT Method is either ISlow, IFast or Float. These refer to the method used to perform the JPEG compression. What you need to know is that ISlow is slow, but pretty accurate, IFast is faster, but less accurate so you get more noise. Float can be the most accurate, but it is dependant on your PC and how your processor is configured, it can be really slow if you donít have the right hardware. ISlow is probably the safest bet.

What does DCT mean? I could never find DCT Method, ISlow, IFast, Float. Are we talking about the same program? FastStone Image Viewer 2.30.

Smoothing is a process of blurring a JPEG to try and reduce the visibility of noise. The smaller the number the less blurring. The blurring will be more noticeable with a higher number, so normally stick to less than 50. The file size is smaller the higher you go.

Under Settings I found Smooth with 3 picks: FastLinear, Linear, and Lanczos3. Did not find a slider or a place to enter value for smoothing.

Optimal Huffman Iím honestly not sure about. I know it relates to the compression of the JPEG and optimizing how the compression is done, but Iím not sure what it gets you. I normally leave this unchecked.

Did not find this item.

Progressive will turn on progressive scan for your JPEG. This basically stores multiple layers of your image starting with a lower resolution and moving to a higher resolution. Viewed in a web browser with a slow internet connection you should see the low res image first, then get the higher res images as the file downloads.

Did not find this item.

Keep EXIF/IPTC Data just determines whether the information about the photo that your camera stores with the image, like date taken, f-stop and speed is kept with the picture after conversion. EXIF is a Japanese set standard and IPTC is set by the press.

Did not find this item.

You wonít find a setting for the size of the picture under Settings; this is just for how you want to handle the resize. The actual setting for the size of the picture is done under Advanced Options, Resize.

What do I normally use, not much honestly. I leave most everything at the defaults and only change the size of the picture I am converting. For instance, to batch convert a bunch of pictures I select:

Tools, Batch Convert
Select the images to convert
Click the Advanced Options, Resize
Select the size I want one side to be (normally a standard size like 640 or 800)
Select my output folder
Leave everything else as is
Click Start
Look at my smaller picturesThis all worked.

Hope that helps.

rca

Although I didn't find some of the items I'm really enjoying learning this program.

rca
02-18-2006, 09:18 PM
Although I didn't find some of the items I'm really enjoying learning this program.

Ken,

I think you might be looking at the Settings tab off of the main menu. I was specifically responding to Bud's questions about settings under the Tool, Batch Convert, Settings area. There appear to be different options depending on where you are looking in FastStone.

Thanks for the nice words Bud. I guess it is mostly due to my upbringing and personality, that and the 20 years I have working with computers (man i'm getting old, almost 40!). This computer program stuff just makes sense to me. I guess I've been explaining technical stuff to non techy people for so long that I've gotten sort of good at it too. As far as how I know this info, some of it I have gleaned through the years, the rest of it comes from my best friend Google. I freely admit to haveing to look up a few terms.

Glad to be of service!

rca

Big_Bird
02-18-2006, 09:46 PM
rca, based on what you said I finally found all of that stuff in settings in batch conversion. Thanks for being patient.

I have been in electronics and computers since graduating from college in 1964. I retired as a Process Control Specialist in power production from TXU Electric at age 57 with 33 years in. I still do consulting work on a part time basis.

rca
02-19-2006, 03:53 AM
Hey Ken, I finally noticed you are in Arlington. I'm in Sugar Land, down close to Houston. I work for AT&T now (I was an SBC employee before we purchased them) designing IP Telephony networks. But I've only been at SBC/AT&T for a couple of years, spending time at several other firms along the way. Started out as an accountant though, until I realized it didn't make any sense to me. I think it's the engineer in me that is drawn to this hobby. How cool is it to build something AND fly it.

rca

admin
02-28-2006, 09:38 PM
the next version of VB will have the auto-resize option. this should be out shortly and we will upgrade as soon as it is out. If I can get a resize patch custom coded before then I will implement that. I have already spent quite a few hours examining the code so it depends if I figure it out before they release the next version with auto resize! either way it is coming soon!!!

Randy Due
03-26-2006, 03:36 AM
I have been using a freeware program called photofiltre for resizing and other editing. It's a nice program too. I think I'll download Faststone and give it a try. I love playing with new software!

Randy

max-nix
03-26-2006, 04:38 AM
Try this free software for enhancing your pictures, it is very easy to use and works extremely well. It does NOT resize.

http://www.mediachance.com/digicam/enhancer.htm

Smasher Bob
Former UPS driver