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irone
08-17-2005, 06:13 PM
This is a copy of the rules our group is using for e-combat.
What is your group doing?

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Combat Aircrafts Legal Specifications:
Must be a recognizable replica of a WWII propeller driven aircraft and decorated as such. GWS Zero Kit or scratch built WWII planes with correct wingspan shall be legal.
For POPGUN COMBAT it must use a stock 300 class or smaller brushed can type motor. (No Timing, Cobalt or Brushless Motors). Limited to a 2s Lipo battery (7.4V).
Must have a 28 to 32 inch wingspan. No limit on square inches.
Must use 2 cell lipoly battery pack for standard combat competition.
For TOPGUN COMBAT it may use a brushless motor or a timed brushed motor. Limited to a 2s Lipo battery (7.4V) (limited class combat competition)

Tournament Rules:
World War II Fighter ENTRY E-Combat
Objective: To recreate the excitement of WWII era fighter combat in an enjoyable, safe, competition that will be interesting for spectators, inexpensive and challenging for the contestants.
Skybox pylon flags will be set up prior to competition. The spacing shall be 130 to 150 feet apart. The pilot flight box shall be 130 to 150 feet away from the pylon flags, creating a square or skybox. Competing aircrafts must fly within that pre designated sky box area. Twenty feet of streamer material will be provided by the contest director to each competing pilot. Each sortie will have duration of five minutes.

Aircraft: Must be a forward prop design, recognizable WWII scale-like warbird aircraft with semi-authentic markings appropriate for that era. A 28" to 32" wingspan with no square inch minimums or maximums. Any GWS, scratch built or other brand Warbirds are included, and legal if they meet wing span and motor requirements. Any size or pitch propeller may be used.
ENGUAGEMENT RULES:
The aircraft shall tow a 3/8" by 20' foot long ribbon, There shall be no leader string used at any time. All aircraft shall maneuver within the pre-marked skybox of approximately fifty yards square.
Each plane receives 100 points for being in the air when “START COMBAT” is called. 50 points shall be deducted for flying beyond the fifty yard markers to sides and back of the box. After loosing 100 points aircraft must land. 100 points shall be deducted and aircraft must land if it over-flies the flight line. 100 points are gained by cutting another aircraft’s streamer. The killed plane or aircraft with the cut streamer must land, even if it has some streamer left. 100 points are awarded when “TIME” is called and aircraft lands with an intact streamer.
EXCEPTIONS:
Should a plane make a cut and be forced to land because the streamer wrapped up in his prop, he shall be marked as completing the round and scored with the kill.
Should two planes contact each other and one plane is rendered un-flyable, the remaining plane flying is scored with a 100 point kill if it completes that round.

Flight durations of five minutes (peak of batteries) to allow for faster recharge time between rounds. There shall be no more than four airplanes launched for combat at a time. (Single conversion receivers are widely used on these planes to save weight. These receivers can be subject to glitches. The more planes in the air at one time the greater the chances of being shot down by glitches. A winner is determined by adding up the points at the end of the day.

Ribbon (Streamer) Materials:
Your local party store and many Dollar stores carry crape party ribbons of different colors. They are two wide for our use but can be cut lengthwise to half the size with scissors. If you have a band saw, try this. Freeze the party ribbon, then cut it lengthwise while rolled up twice to make the streamer even thinner. Then use 15 to 20 feet by taping it to the plane on the rudder at the centerline.:cool:

Joe Ortiz
08-18-2005, 01:36 AM
Looks good, were working on some rules as well, the first E-Combat demo will be held in Oct, flying at 5800 plus ft poses challenges to the planes, so what works for you in TX, may not work in CO.

Joe:cool:

irone
08-18-2005, 03:00 AM
You are correct Joe. I would reccommend a BL setup 8060 prop and 2s lipos.
BTW not all lipo batteries are the same. To get the most from your plane you MUST get the most from the battery. Accept nothing less than a 12C battery. I prefer the 16C's that Mark has on his website. Check the continuos amp ratings. More power for that thinner air.

Joe Ortiz
08-18-2005, 03:31 AM
Thanks for the advise, I'll check it out.

Joe:cool:

irone
10-10-2005, 01:01 AM
Our group has adopted a new change to the rules posted above. Keep in mind that the rules we go by are designed to reduce mid-airs and promote aircraft handling.

We are now using only dark colored streamers, red, black or blue 20 feet in length and we have added 1 (one) foot of yellow streamer to the tail end. When the yellow is hacked off the plane is considered shot down and must land without claiming any additional points.

Which is why Mark shouts out I see yellow with 4 feet of streamer left on his plane.

irone
10-18-2005, 03:55 AM
Our group is now flying many more planes than the original rules allowed for. As many as nine at a time so far and surprisingly no serious mid-airs. A few little love taps but no serious damage. We are having on the 29th October a large meet in conjunction with a funfly. I am expecting at least 12 planes and probably more like 20 wanting to do combat. My plan is no matter how many show up to fly two groups of 6 to 10 with the pilots not flying in that sorte to spot cuts, call out of bounds, grade and supervise a competing pilot.:p

I am acting as the combat director in this and hopefully we can get in 6 to 8 sortes for both groups over the day long event. We have to let the chickens (slow sticks) fly some too. I will post the outcome, good, bad or ugly after the event. We have already tested most of what is outlined here but the proof is going to show up in this event.:eek:

RC-Airwarriors
11-08-2005, 11:18 PM
How about an update irone! How did it go?

irone
11-09-2005, 04:59 AM
Sorry, I forgot about that post. The event went very well. We didn't have but 10 pilots show up, I guess because of the wind that day. We were able to get in 7 sorties with 6 to 8 planes in them during the day. I would call it a success. ps. I didn't win the trophy.

Something real good came out of it. We have attracted another nearby RC club with quite a few members in it that are interested in what we are doing. We have already sold them some planes and have had one combat flyin at thier field last sunday. Welcome to the DARK SIDE.... Can you say club rivalry? Too much fun!

I have also been contacted by a large Dallas RC club and I believe that they want me to talk to their members on the 17th of this month. It will truly be great if we can involve these groups in frendly competition at a club level. Lets put up some prizes guys!

rockin' roller
01-30-2007, 09:57 PM
Wow this thread is dead. Isn't anyone flying e-combat anywhere but DFW?

Airhead
02-25-2007, 11:13 PM
Hey Roller,
Wheres DFW?

irone
02-26-2007, 03:05 AM
DFW= Dallas, Fort Worth, TEXAS !

The BIRTHPLACE of ECOMBAT !

HERE
IN
TEXAS
WE
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LOVE THE SMELL OF LIPOS IN THE MORNING :p

smokejohnson
02-26-2007, 03:40 AM
So is ECOMBAT still alive and well in the DFW area? Are there any sorties planned out for this spring/summer. I'm not that good of a pilot but I have a Thunderbolt and a lot of luck. ;):D

Twizter68
02-26-2007, 04:18 PM
Any E-Combat planned for the June/July timeframe? I will be in the area (Weatherford) for two weeks on leave, and would love to come school you/get schooled by you!

irone
02-26-2007, 08:44 PM
So is ECOMBAT still alive and well in the DFW area? Are there any sorties planned out for this spring/summer. I'm not that good of a pilot but I have a Thunderbolt and a lot of luck. ;):D

You will need a lot of luck....(evil smirk):cool:
No kidding we would welcome your participation. We all had to learn this.
The answer to your question is yes, plenty of it going down. Read on!

irone
02-26-2007, 09:02 PM
Any E-Combat planned for the June/July timeframe? I will be in the area (Weatherford) for two weeks on leave, and would love to come school you/get schooled by you!

You will get a good education within one five minute sorte.

We fly weekly at Hawk Field (every Sunday from 10:00am til ????)
See www.hawkfield.org (http://www.hawkfield.org) for a map to the field and check the Combat message board.
Once a month we have started flying with the DEAF club in Dallas. Check out this thread for the latest info on that event and post your questions.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632490#post6823517
We want to boost attendance to both weekly and monthly events.

There will be combat plane kits, ARFs, electronics, batteries and chargers available for sale at all events. All the guesswork is taken out that way.
You buy and fly the right stuff from the get-go.

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I love the smell of lipos in the mornings !
How about you:confused:

Buzzsaw
09-28-2007, 06:01 PM
These are the Rules we use in our clubs combat contests. 700 hundred 5 minute rounds since Jan.1st.
Buzzy

World War II Electric Combat Fighters Rules


Objective: To recreate the excitement of WWII era fighter combat in an enjoyable, safe competition that will be interesting for spectators, inexpensive (we have at the most $1.75 per airframe using fanfold foam) and challenging for the contestants.


Overview: Competing aircraft must fly within a pre-designated sky box. Twenty feet of streamer will be provided by the contest director to each competing pilot. A streamer is attached to the aircraft by
taping it to the plane on the rudder or rear of the fuslage.



Combat Aircraft Legal Specifications


Plane must meet the following rules:
WWII Propeller driven aircraft and be decorated as such
Must be built using fan fold foam, (flat airfoil only)
Only 2 servos may be used
28 inch or larger wing span. No limit on square inches
BM 2408-21 out runner motor only (available at Muncie Model or from Polk's Hobby online)
Orange, grey, or black GWS 9070 prop
At least a 10 Amp speed control
Can only use 2 cell Lipoly (7.4 volt) battery packs
Nothing can be added to leading edge of the wing to enhance catching or holding the streamer



Rules of Engagement



The CD will give the OK to start combat after last plane has been launched.

Rounds will last 5 minutes.

CD will call stop combat at the end of 5 minutes.

A 20 ft. streamer will be used, with a 6 in. contrasting color for cut purposes.

Any plane that gets its streamer cut even if it has part of a streamer left is considered killed and must land.


Any previous cut streamers hanging from a plane when cut will be
considered a kill. The plane must land.

Should any planes have a mid-air, any cuts before the midair will count.

You can only get 1 cut per plane. If you hit a plane that has 3 streamers on it and cut 2 of them it’s still counted as 1 cut.

Should a plane make a cut and be forced to land because the streamer was wrapped up in his prop, he shall be marked as completing the round and scored with a kill

Any pilot flying overhead or behind the pilots flying line will be instructed by the CD to land his plane at once, and sit that round out.

If you crash or your streamer comes off on launch, you will have set that round out.

If you cut some ones streamer on launch or before start combat signal is given the parties involved must land and sit that round out.

If someone signals they are landing for some reason. You will not be able too cut their streamer for safety reasons.

The CD has the last word on all decisions.

Hard hats will be worn by all pilots on the flight line.

All aircraft will be inspected by CD before flying.

Scoring: 10 points per cut Yahoo Groups
8-28-07 Revised dlw WW2 ECOMBAT

rockin' roller
10-01-2007, 03:56 PM
Buzz, I am glad to hear that you guys are having fun. That looks to be a good rule set, very similar to what we use in the DFW area. We don't speck motors or props here though, that way people can just use what they already have laying around. We also alow the use of any wing - flat, undercambered, or fully airfoiled. We end up with a wide variety of aircraft, and yet the performance always seems to even out. It seems that for every performance advantage you get with a particular style of build, there is always some drawback that can be taken advantage of in combat.

We have not been wearing hardhats either. With the plane's all-up-weight in the 10 - 12 oz range, and styrofoam construction, the potential for human damage seems to be minimal. Just ask the guy who got hit in the head :eek:. I admire your group's safety policy! We often accuse people of going for the pilot instead of the plane. It's a dirty trick, but can be very effective.:)

From our experience, using a GWS 9-7 SF prop on the TP-21 with 2 cells is slightly overproped, and causes some loss of performance of the motor over time. It is best to use the GWS 9-5 HD prop. It keeps your amps down a bit, and reduces overheating on the motor. Especially valuable if you have streamers hanging, or wrapped around it. The HD props are also more rugged and last longer then the SF.

If any of you folks end up in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, bring your combat planes. We would love to have you join us. If you can't bring a plane, just bring yourself, and we will see what we can come up with for you. AMA required, hardhats allowed, but not required.

Buzzsaw
10-01-2007, 04:59 PM
Thanks for your input. It's always intersting to hear what other combaters are doing in other areas of the country. I used to fly glow combat then I got out of it for one reason or another.I started flying the fan fold a year ago May, then got a couple planes build and let a couple of my buddies fly them.Then it took off.Right now I think we have around 18 members in our club and we try to fly a couple of times a week. One thing we did was to go to specktrum right from the start. Most of us live within 25 miles of the AMA. Now the AMA has 3 sites from which you can fly from with a spectrum radio. Last year from June to Dec. we flew 300 rounds. Since Janurary we have flown over 700 rounds of combat. As far as the rules we had several new flyers that started flying with us with only 2 to 3 months flying time. Someone that reads our rules my think they are to tight. They were put in place to make things run smooth. We haven't had any complaints from any of our fighter jocks yet.

Buzzy

rockin' roller
10-01-2007, 06:56 PM
Wow, those are some great looking planes, Buzzsaw. I was interested in looking at some plans on the site, but was not able to find any.

Buzzsaw
10-01-2007, 09:35 PM
You have to join the group, it cost nothing.Then you can get into our files,photos and alot of other stuff we have put on our web site. We even have some photo's at the AMA this past winter when it was 14 degrees out. We flew all winter. We also fly full contact with small delta's around a 20 foot high pylon's set 200 feet apart with the same combat motor. When you have 6 to 8 27 inch deltas flying a 8-4 prop and 3 cell pack it's a hoot.
Buzzy

rockin' roller
10-01-2007, 10:45 PM
That sounds like fun too. Is it full contact combat, or combat pylon racing?

We have been doing some park pylon racing around the lightpoles at lighted sports fields after dark during the short daylight season. The same planes that we would use for combat are used for this. To prevent people from overpropping, we run two 2 minute races, followed by a one minute sprint, all on the same battery. It's white knuckel/sweaty palms fun. The light poles are very unforgiving.

rockin' roller
10-01-2007, 11:20 PM
I just signed up and checked out the site. You guys have it going on! I modded, and made copies of your scoresheet. I have been wanting to make one forever, and when I saw yours I was able to slightly change it to what I wanted. Thank you very much.

That drawn plan of a Mig 3 looked interesting too. Only one person has made a Mig around here, and it didn't last very long. That plane has very sleek and sinister lines.

Buzzsaw
10-01-2007, 11:46 PM
We call it "NO MERCY COMBAT" with just a few rules.
Buzzsaw

Buzzsaw
11-26-2007, 12:38 AM
These are our rules we made up for our NO MERCY COMBAT that we fly.
Buzzsaw

NO MERCY COMBAT RULES



All rounds are controlled by the CD at all times. He has the last word on anything that might arise.

Any electric motor, plane, and battery will be legal in this event.

No metal of any kind on leading edges of the plane.

No flying over pilots’ flight line. If you do, you will instructed to land by the
CD.

Cones will be set up for landings.

Hard hats must be worn at all times.


Rules


All rounds will be 5 minutes.

CD will start the 5 minute round and will call “End combat” at the end of 5 minutes.

Once CD has called “launch” everyone will launch. If for some reason you can’t launch, you will have to sit that round out.

If you sand bag, you will be told to land by the CD and set the rest of the round out.


Scoring


You will get 1 point for flying a full 5 minute round.

You will get 5 points for a kill. A kill is when you put a plane down on the ground for that round and you can continue to fly that 5 minute round to the finish.

It is possible to get several kills in one round. You will receive 5 points per kill.

You could get 2 kills in a round and get put down at the last minute. In this case you would lose your kills for that round.

dlw-11-19-07

irone
01-22-2008, 04:16 AM
Buzzsaw, Interesting reading.
Within the past four years of flying ecombat our planes have gone through many changes and enhancements. Many now have undercambered wings and slots cut into the wings to trap and cut streamers. The original, stock, TopGun e-combat plane is still very compeditive and always will be. Rockin Roller can attest to that fact.

Flying ecombat never seems to grow old to me. Its a different game with every sorte. I'm glad to hear that you have a good group of guys where you are. Its the same for me and our group. Ecombat is one type of flying that is always great fun even if you loose as I often do.:<:

I guess we could say that
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We love the smell of lipos in the mornings ! :tc:

smokejohnson
01-22-2008, 12:27 PM
Hi irone, are you guy's still going to meet at 10:00 on Sunday's at Hawk Field? I have been practicing with a buddy and I think I'm ready to play with the big dogs :p:D.

I'm using the P-47 (http://2dogrc.com/ecommerce/os/catalog/p47a-thunderbolt-foam-parkflyer-combat-plane-p-1864.html) with a "21" Tower Pro outrunner and 2s lipo. It looks like this puts me in the Top Gun class. How much of an advantage do the guys have with undercambered wings and wing slots? I do a little sanding and beveling but mine are pretty much stock. I have thought of putting something sticky on my leading edge. I have hit his streamer a few times and didn't get the cut. 53030

53031(I know I will need to bring planes with WWII markings.)

One last question. Do you know if Hawk Field will allow someone to fly in the e combat with a Park Pilot AMA card or do you need to have a full AMA membership?

Buzzsaw
01-22-2008, 01:13 PM
Thanks for the input it's always good to hear from other true combaters.We are still flying the WWII planes and deltas. Last year we surpased 800 -5 minute rounds of combat. Now we are building some jets to try out a couple airwars units.I'll post our jet rules.Make sure you check out our site and join it cost nothing lots of photos and ideas.
Buzzy

smokejohnson
01-22-2008, 02:23 PM
Hi Buzz -- I have checked out your site and joined, lot of good info. If only I lived closer to Indiana, looks like you guys have a lot of fun.

Buzzsaw
01-22-2008, 02:29 PM
Hi Buzz -- I have checked out your site and joined, lot of good info. If only I lived closer to Indiana, looks like you guys have a lot of fun.
Thanks James I thought that you had joined our group last week. Feel free to post any time you know what we are doing just by reading our posts. It's never very quite on our site some one is always building something.
Buzzy

Buzzsaw
01-22-2008, 02:31 PM
Electric Jet Combat Rules


Objective:
To recreate the excitement of combat using Fighter Jets in an enjoyable, safe competition that will be interesting for spectators and challenging for the contestants.

Overview:
Competing aircraft must fly within a pre-designated sky box. All jets must have a CSM Air Wars system installed on their plane. The Air Wars system will be plugged into one of your aileron servos. Triggered firing operations will be controlled by your landing gear switch.



Combat Aircraft Legal Specifications


Plane must meet the following rules:
· Must have a CSM Air Wars system installed on plane
· Any military jet will be allowed
· Must be built using fan fold, (flat airfoil only)
· A 20 inch or larger wing span. No limit on square inches
· Plane must be a pusher prop. Engine may be located in the middle of the plane or on the tail.

No restrictions on the following:
· Number of servos
· Motor
· Prop
· Battery
· Esc

Rules of Engagement

· The CD will give the OK to start combat after last plane has been launched.
· Rounds will last 4 minutes.
· CD will stop combat at the end of 4 minutes.
· Should any planes have a mid-air, any hits before the mid-air will count towards points at the end of the round.
· Any pilot flying overhead or behind the pilots’ flying line will be instructed by the CD to land his plane at once and will sit that round out. All points accumulated during that round will be lost.
· If someone signals that they are landing for some reason, you will not be able to engage on them.
· The CD has the last word on all decisions.
· Hard hats will be worn by all pilots on the flight line.
· All aircraft will be inspected by the CD before flying.
· In order for your hits to be counted, you must bring your plane with the battery pack plugged in to the CD for scoring purposes. If you unplug your battery pack, you will lose your points for that round.

DLW 1-11-08

irone
01-22-2008, 08:49 PM
Hi irone, are you guy's still going to meet at 10:00 on Sunday's at Hawk Field? I have been practicing with a buddy and I think I'm ready to play with the big dogs :p:D.

I'm using the P-47 (http://2dogrc.com/ecommerce/os/catalog/p47a-thunderbolt-foam-parkflyer-combat-plane-p-1864.html) with a "21" Tower Pro outrunner and 2s lipo. It looks like this puts me in the Top Gun class. How much of an advantage do the guys have with undercambered wings and wing slots? I do a little sanding and beveling but mine are pretty much stock. I have thought of putting something sticky on my leading edge. I have hit his streamer a few times and didn't get the cut. 53030

53031(I know I will need to bring planes with WWII markings.)

One last question. Do you know if Hawk Field will allow someone to fly in the e combat with a Park Pilot AMA card or do you need to have a full AMA membership?


I think we are due some good weather for a change this weekend. You are invited to join us. Park Pilot ID is just fine. Your P-47 also is good to go. You meet our requirements being a warm body and all. You may cut a notch into the leading edge of your wings near the tips if you want. I myself like the undercamber arrangement. You can look over all the planes and soak up whatever you like for your next build.

Weather permitting we should be able to say,
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I love the smell of lipos in the mornings !

irone
01-22-2008, 11:49 PM
Buzzsaw, I read your jet rules and would like to make a few suggestions:
First let me say that there are a set of sub-rules you should be aware of.
1. Planes should build out very quickly (less than 2hrs)
2. Planes should be inexpensive (under $25.00)
3. equipment should be as inexpensive as possible.(cheap, cheap & dirty)
There is such a thing as emotional attachment to RC planes. If one is emotionally attached to his plane, you can bet that he will never consider using it in combat. For the attachment to be overcome you must provide
1., 2., and 3 mentioned above.

If you allow slots in jet wings a sending unit becomes unnecessary. Slotted wings will make streamer cuts even better than a prop and cut down on mid-airs.

I would specify BP21 or BP12 motors so that there is not an arms race for a hotter motor and therefore upping costs. Besides they already have them on hand.

I would also specify 3S lipo packs and a 7060 prop for jet-like performance. A low cost spec that insures long battery and motor life.

Just a suggestion or two, it should really burn down to your group and what they decide is best.:$

smokejohnson
01-23-2008, 02:21 AM
I will definitely be taking you up on the invitation this year, heck I can't wait :D. I would like to have a couple of more lipo's and at least 2 airframes trimmed out and ready to cut some Texas streamer's :p. All joking aside I want to at least try to survive the full day :o:D.


I think we are due some good weather for a change this weekend. You are invited to join us. Park Pilot ID is just fine. Your P-47 also is good to go. You meet our requirements being a warm body and all. You may cut a notch into the leading edge of your wings near the tips if you want. I myself like the undercamber arrangement. You can look over all the planes and soak up whatever you like for your next build.

Weather permitting we should be able to say,
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I love the smell of lipos in the mornings !

irone
01-23-2008, 05:39 AM
I will definitely be taking you up on the invitation this year, heck I can't wait :D. I would like to have a couple of more lipo's and at least 2 airframes trimmed out and ready to cut some Texas streamer's :p. All joking aside I want to at least try to survive the full day :o:D.

We would be lucky to fly 5 sortes during the day as other club members fly there also, including slimers of all sorts. Usually we get in 3 to 4 sortes on any given Sunday. Usually one plane can easily make the entire day. We have field repairs down to a science. I have seen planes in 5 to 6 pieces make it back for the next round. We can thank hot glue and packing tape for thier recovery.::o They just get heavier with each repair. I just retired a Zero that I flew for months and was involved in no less than 20 mid-airs.
I usually take one or two combat planes, a 3D plane, a trainer, a jet and a WWI byplane to the field and fly all of them during the coarse of the day.

Bluebird
01-24-2008, 03:31 AM
Hello IRONE! I'm in the same e-combat group as "Buzzsaw". First off I wanna commend you and Mark for the ingenious 'TopGun' foamies. I've modeled 4evr & never had so much FUN! Are U the brains of the Yardbird jets? I've built 'em both. Nicest kits anyone could ask for! I appreciate your input for our new AirWars Jet event. We are trying to develop another cheap & easy build combat event with this and are trying your suggested motors plus the $5.95 EMax 2840 kv motor from UH. WOW & LoongMax LiPos, cheapie auto ESC's, etc.. U r SO correct! Model 'love' & combat don't mix! I'm intrigued w/ ur undercamber wing idea. Got more details posted somewhere? Again, thanks for the great WW2 event! :D

irone
01-24-2008, 06:14 PM
Hello IRONE! I'm in the same e-combat group as "Buzzsaw". First off I wanna commend you and Mark for the ingenious 'TopGun' foamies. I've modeled 4evr & never had so much FUN! Are U the brains of the Yardbird jets? I've built 'em both. Nicest kits anyone could ask for! I appreciate your input for our new AirWars Jet event. We are trying to develop another cheap & easy build combat event with this and are trying your suggested motors plus the $5.95 EMax 2840 kv motor from UH. WOW & LoongMax LiPos, cheapie auto ESC's, etc.. U r SO correct! Model 'love' & combat don't mix! I'm intrigued w/ ur undercamber wing idea. Got more details posted somewhere? Again, thanks for the great WW2 event! :D
I use the 2840Kv motor on my pocket Raptor.
I use a 5030 prop and 3cell lipo. GWS DD are to flimsy for use, you need to make your prop some other way.

My F18 uses a BP21 and a 7060 prop on 3s lipos.
And no I didn't have anything to do with the Yardbirds. However I do own the Mig. I consider it an OK plane. The F18 is about the same size but weighs much less.

Sorry, I don't have anything posted on the undercambered wing setup. Over the years these planes have gone through many stages of development and will continue to do so. The next step in the evolution will probably be the step down wing as seen on the F18. Lift plus a notch in one simple step. You may try that trick, I intend to.

Cause I
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Buzzsaw
11-22-2008, 02:33 AM
We have been flying a new event of combat called Fast & Furious the last couple of months.They fly faster than the WWII planes plus turn alot quicker and won't fall off on a knife edge turn.These are the rules we came up with.
Buzzy


Fast and Furious Streamer Combat Rules



Airplane Specs.
Motor- 2408-21
Battery-2cell-7.4 volt
Prop-any size as long as you can fly the 5 minute round
Motor must be mounted on front of airplane
Plane design, wing span, and cord- anything goes
Must be built from fan fold

Rules of Engagement


The CD will give the OK to start combat after last plane has been launched.

Rounds will last 5 minutes.

CD will call stop combat at the end of 5 minutes.

A 20 ft. streamer will be used, with a 6 in. contrasting color for cut purposes.

Any plane that gets its streamer cut, even if it has part of a streamer left, is considered killed and must land.

Any previous cut streamers hanging from a plane when cut will be
considered a kill. The plane must land.

Should any planes have a mid-air, any cuts before the midair will be counted.

You can only get 1 cut per plane. If you hit a plane that has 3 streamers on it and cut 2 of them it’s still counted as 1 cut.

Should a plane make a cut and be forced to land because the streamer was wrapped up in his prop, he shall be marked as completing the round and scored with a kill.

Any pilot flying overhead or behind the pilots’ flying line will be instructed by the CD to land his plane at once, and sit that round out.


If you crash or your streamer comes off on launch, you will have to sit that round out.

If you cut someone’s streamer on launch or before start combat signal is given, the parties involved must land and sit that round out.

If 2 planes cut each others streamers at the same time, each plane will be awarded a kill and must land immediately.

If someone signals they are landing for some reason, you will not be able to cut their streamer for safety reasons.

The CD has the last word on all decisions.

Hard hats will be worn by all pilots on the flight line.

All aircraft will be inspected by CD before flying.

Scoring: 10 points per cu

8-10-08 Revised dlw