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watt_the?!
04-11-2006, 12:29 AM
OK I thought i'd christen this sub forum with the latest build im doing...

Peter Rake's Castaibert for geared speed 400.

http://www.totalerc.com/images/prcast2.jpg

watt_the?!
04-11-2006, 12:33 AM
pretty straight forward actually...easy to get straight.

Ron
04-11-2006, 06:19 AM
where's the Guns? :-) looks good. Those old planes had character....Guess we now have a WW1 forum.
I'm just finishing up an EV...should be ready for flight in the next week or so.....

BradT
04-11-2006, 06:48 AM
where's the Guns? :-) looks good. Those old planes had character....Guess we now have a WW1 forum.
I'm just finishing up an EV...should be ready for flight in the next week or so.....

Ron, I think that one is early enough that they didn't mount guns, they shot pistols, and threw things at each other!:eek:

Brad.

watt_the?!
04-11-2006, 09:18 AM
some more pics..

tim hooper
04-11-2006, 02:35 PM
Looks good! :)

If it flies as well as the Rake designs that I've made, then you're in for a treat.

It's not a model I recognise though - was it a free plan in a magazine?

tim

Ron
04-11-2006, 03:50 PM
OOPS sorry,....I missed the bucket of bricks in the cockpit :p

What wingspan is it? wing area? does it fly on 8 cells?
how much does it weigh ?

watt_the?!
04-11-2006, 07:48 PM
Hi Tim and Ron, its 40 inch span, just over the 20 oz mark. i believe that the original plan was a freebie in some mags, but this is direct from the Rakester.

, wing area, ummm, id say around 220sqin mark.

flies on 8 cells, geared speed 400 as usual.

Tim.

watt_the?!
04-11-2006, 07:49 PM
here's some more to bring the build up to date..

scalercflyer
04-12-2006, 12:08 AM
Nice Build Job Watt!!! :) I love those wheels! :) Where did you get them? :confused: If you need this plane to be more warlike, I'm sure if you ask WWI Ace, he'll give you a couple of those pet rattlers he has. That way you could REALLY have some fun at the field when you drop a couple of those babies from the plane into the pit area!! :eek: :eek: Watt do you think??? Seriously though, superb build! Martin

watt_the?!
04-12-2006, 12:45 AM
thanks Martin, might be a bit slower going for a while as i have to go away for a week plus ig to me a wicked heli from Jappa USA to build...

just gotta sand the wings/tail etc, place servos and do the rigging and it's done though...oh, covering....i might need some referrals for that...im thinking solatex but havnt used it before...weight isnt a worry so i dont have to get the lightest stuff.

any ideas?

Tim

watt_the?!
04-12-2006, 12:48 AM
Looks good! :)

If it flies as well as the Rake designs that I've made, then you're in for a treat.

It's not a model I recognise though - was it a free plan in a magazine?

tim

Tim- i just visited your site mate.....wow!!! and double wow!. i knew you'd built a rake or two, and have seen you around, but man you got some unique planes on your site...way to go!

Tim

watt_the?!
04-12-2006, 12:52 AM
Where did you get them? :confused:

someone recently asked about scale spoked wheels and i answered in another thread- cant remember which....they are a company in czech i think....ill do a search here and see if i can find it. they are reasonably priced too.

sized from about 10mm through to 80mm as far as i can recall.

Tim

rcers
04-12-2006, 02:31 PM
Great job - subscribe.....

Mike

tim hooper
04-12-2006, 03:04 PM
Tim- i just visited your site mate....

Thanks Tim! (it's always weird calling some one else by your own name, isn't it? :eek:)

That's reminded me to me to put a link to these forums next time I'm doing a bit of tidying-up.

tim

Ron
04-12-2006, 03:51 PM
Watt:....I have used Solartex ...yes it's heavy......but it is really easy to use....I would hesitate to use it on a lightly built airframe though, it might do damage when you shrink it. it doesn't add the stiffness that litespan, or solarfilm does ( my opinion) ...Other than that, it goes on really easily. even I don't get wrinkles with it :-) Just make sure you follow directions and you will get a very nice job with it. one of my favourites for WW1 models.

scalercflyer
04-12-2006, 04:42 PM
Ron, Polyspan is the way to go with fragile airframes. Easy to use and paint. Here is the link. http://www.faimodelsupply.com/
Martin

Ron
04-12-2006, 09:57 PM
Martin....I've used the Japanese tissue....and llite span...I like the lite span, but is is easy to get " hangar rash " with it.

watt_the?!
04-15-2006, 12:08 AM
thanks for the covering tips guys...ive done some searching and reading and to tell you the truth im not too keen on polyspan. im an iron-on specialist....lol.

i havent even used balsa loc before....let alone dope. and tissue.

but i am willing to learn, but wary of ruining the plane too...

i came across SuperFabric at HL. Are any of you guys familiar with it?

Tim

scalercflyer
04-15-2006, 04:25 AM
Tim, I have never heard of Superfabric but I assume that it is almost the same as coverings such as Super Coverite, Solartex, etc. I'm guessing it has a fabric weave. These coverings have a tendency to be heavy and sometimes difficult to use. Also may crush delicate structures. Not my first choice. It would be interesting to hear how the Superfabric works. I would suggest that you try some of the polyspan, Superfabric, etc, over an open structure just to get a feel for the characteristics. Martin

Ron
04-15-2006, 04:02 PM
Tim....go for the Litespan...if you are a not really experienced at covering, it is very easy to use.......just brush balsa loc onto the pieces you want it to stick to, let it dry ( takes a few minutes) lay on the lite span, and then shrink. balsa loc does not smell, so you can use it in the house. It is one of the easier coverings to use in my opinion ( for what that's worth )
Mica film is very strong...likely one of the toughest coverings available .
I often use it on the bottom of the wing on models that need the extra strength. it's a little dicey to use until you get it figured out.
Another good light covering is Solar Kote I don't know if you remember Solar film, but this is very similar....just a little bit heavier...the only thing I don't like is you have to double shrink it...that is, it will wrinkle in the heat of the sun....then you have to re shrink it...Another decent one is Solite...strong, and shrinks up well...it's just a little tricky to cover with, because if a corner doubles back and the two sticky sides touch each other....that piece is done. You are NOT going to separate them.
after all this hot air from me, you are likely really confused.....simple solution...small model...want it to look sorta like fabric....use litespan with Balsa loc....There is another glue called Balsa rite...don't use it....the smell will drop you ( take a trip and never leave the farm ) if you get my drift.
Lite span IS lite...easy to work with, strong, and looks kinda like fabric.
the little hangar rash you get can easily be taken out with a heat gun.
If you have covered lots of models, you can make pretty much anything work, if not...go with the litespan..and you will end up with a good covering job.

scalercflyer
04-15-2006, 06:52 PM
Ron, Tim, another good glue to use is SIG Stixit (not sure how it is spelled). Works quite well though. Martin

PETERRAKE
04-24-2006, 09:56 PM
Tim,
I would strongly advise against the fabric coverings on a model of this kind, they are very heavy. Although Litespan takes a little getting used to, and isn't the toughest covering in the world, it does work very well on just this sort of aircraft. Just about all my similar sized models use it and it works well.
Whilst being an iron on covering, there is a distinct grain to it - running the length of the sheet in it's longest direction. Always apply it with that grain running span wise. Otherwise, you'll find it sags a lot between the ribs. Conversely, it is often easier to cover tips with the grain chord wise. I don't, but know of several modellers who do it that way.
The most important point is to tack the Litespan to the frame, getting out as many wrinkles as possible, before finally ironing it down permanently. I use a heat gun for shrinking.
One last tip is to apply the adhesive - Balsaloc - to the covering, not the framework. Tape down the sheet, pour on a little Balsaloc and spread it to an even coat with a piece of sponge. Allow it to dry and then use like any other iron on covering. It works out a little heavier, but saves all that sealing down of overlapping edges.

Nice looking build by the way.

For those interested, Tim is building the new, totally updated version of the model - not the free plan model. I'm trying to gradually work through my designs, converting them to CAD. While re-drawing, I bring each one more into line with the way I currently design, changing whatever features I have since replaced with better ideas. (well I think they're better) The result will, hopefully, be a range of laser cut short kits that can either be built using the new drawings, or with a little thought, and reference to threads like this, using the original free plans. The Castaibert is a good example, with the kit of parts being available from http://www.totalerc.com/

Pete

watt_the?!
04-25-2006, 02:18 AM
Thanks guys...ive got some litespan coming but for my own curiosity HL was kind enough to send me a sample of the fabric for a look see...

the model is ready for covering now with everything sanded...but im currently OS so cant work on it this week.

I have trial fitted everything and i think it looks real nice...the rigging will certainly make it look authentic. I fitted an mpjet outrunner as the motor- i had it laying around.

So i could swing a 14 inch prop on 2s or 11 on 3...not sure which ill go yet.

Tim

PETERRAKE
04-25-2006, 01:03 PM
Tim,
Thinking of taking up ploughing are we? A 14" prop has its' tips about 3/4" BELOW GROUND when the plane is level. Nothing bigger than around 10" will fit because of the skids getting in the way. Personally, I'd try a 10x6 on a 2s pack. My Eastbourne Monoplane (48" & 20 oz) has yet to get above half throttle on it's cheapo 'bell' motor, 9x4.7 prop and 2s 2000 mAh pack. First take off, at roughly half throttle, it was off off the ground and climbing in less than 15 feet.

Pete

watt_the?!
04-25-2006, 01:36 PM
lol....im not at home at the moment so not able to test it out...i was thinking of trying the largest prop i can use though...

i had a similar problem with the 13inch prop on the dvii...grass cutting...

Tim

watt_the?!
05-04-2006, 04:13 AM
an update...been back two days and have done a bit of work on it...stained the rear structure, covered the tail...waiting on covering for the wings...

started the rear rigging..cant do too much until i get the servos in.

have decided on a mesh front to hide the motor.

painted the U/C black....ive been putting off the pull pull system till now...

and need a decent pre war pilot to suit...anyone?

will be changing out the spoked wheels for the same, but in brown not silver.

Tim

watt_the?!
05-21-2006, 10:16 AM
ok i got tired of waiting for the final covering bits to arrive from H/L (hope they arent lost), so decided id do the servo and control system..

scalercflyer
05-21-2006, 02:32 PM
Very, very nice job Watt! Tell me what you used for the control runs. Looks thicker than just regular fishing line. Also tell us about the staining process. Looks stunning. Martin

Ron
05-21-2006, 04:41 PM
looking really good Tim....You are going to like using the litespan...it's really easy to apply....just take your time with it, and you will get a really nice job.

PETERRAKE
05-21-2006, 09:24 PM
Nice Tim, very nice.

watt_the?!
05-21-2006, 10:13 PM
thanks guys...its nice to share with you.

I am really enjoying building this model.

actually the covering is super fabric from HL. I sent them an email way back and they were nice enough to send me a sample....i liked it so ordered a roll.

Benny has sent me the litespan in the mean time so ill be using it on the next model.

my roll of Super Fabric has been in transit for over 12 days now...so hopefully itll get here so i can do the wings.

the staining process...well, there isnt any actually...just get the stain and paint it on...it came out good eh?...never done it before.

the control loop is using a fishing line that has a plastic sheath that is weldable by adding heat. The line itself is steel braid. Instead of welding it though i used fishing leaders (crimps). simple as that.

the rest is multi strand thread.

i have a question for you guys please.

you may see that in the pic i have managed to smudge some of the paint from the undercarriage onto the fuse side. i have no idea how im going to get rid of it as it seems to have seeped into the balsa...

any ideas? (ps its going to be under the wing anyway so wont be that noticable).

Cheers,

Tim

watt_the?!
05-23-2006, 10:53 PM
just the pilot, top of the fuse and wing rigging to go.

CoG spot on with 1500mah 3slipo.

ill take nicer pics later..

watt_the?!
05-25-2006, 03:59 AM
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watt_the?!
06-12-2006, 12:04 AM
weather was cold but still....that was until me and my son got to the park.

a gust had blown up and was really a bit strong to fly this light plane.

thankfully it was from one direction and pretty steady.

id say about 10 kts....far from ideal.

ive attached a video without sound of the flight....my boy video'd it and had trouble keeping it in focus/frame and decided he'd mess with the ''snapshot'' button also...urrrghghhh...

http://www.totalerc.com/media/castaibertmaiden1.wmv

7mb

anyway the flight was a thumbs up but it was literally crab crawling at the slightest angle to the breeze so i didnt get a chance to trim it.

but it flew!

and from what i can tell it flew well.

the landing ended up slightly cross wind and dropped a wing just before the ground...no damage thankfully.

mission accomplished...just need to add the wood prop and pilot and then onto the next Peter Rake design.

a better video is to come when wheather permits

Tim

PETERRAKE
06-24-2006, 11:31 AM
Tim,
It would fly sideways mate, it's got no pilot.
Congratulations on a successful first flight. Now I'll watch the video.

Pete

watt_the?!
06-24-2006, 11:41 AM
Thanks Pete!

Pilot coming mate- we're moving house right now, so it has to wait.

its a great plane though , a real credit. easy to build, seems to fly real well from what i could tell.

Tim