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KeninAZ 11-05-2011 04:31 PM

Mini Telemaster Battery Hatch
 
I ordered a Mini Telemaster ARF as at the time the kit was not available or at least where I looked.
I have it all together and it's all balanced just fine on the factory CG but the battery wants to be in that forward compartment to balance right. That's fine with me but it's just a little tough for my large hands to get in in there and then I can't imagine how I am going to secure it.
I really think that this ARF or kit should come with a hatch up front personally.
So I thought about cutting a battery hatch on the bottom of the Mini.
I am thinking about just putting some small hinges up front with a catch at the rear but I am open to other ideas.
Anyone have any pix of how they did their hatch, Mini Telemaster or not. It may give me some ideas.

rcers 11-05-2011 04:48 PM

First hatches are always best on the top - so you don't have to turn the plane upside down to switch the battery. I would just hack out the top, build a tray for the battery stick some velcro on it.

For securing the best thing is a balsa tab on the front bottom of the hatch and magnets in the back. :)

Let me see if I have some pics somewhere....

KeninAZ 11-05-2011 05:23 PM

Thanks, I was look at the curve on the bottom front and wondering how I was going to manage that.
Putting the battery in through the top makes more sense and that's a flat surface too.
Pix will help me. Not too imaginative at this point.

Monterey10 11-05-2011 07:54 PM

Hatch
 
I'm trying to make a hatch for a PZ SE5A. I have a thin piece of bass wood sheet. I'm trying to figure the hinges on the front. The original had tabs. The back is held by a latch.

The problem with the SE5A is that most people are inclined to use the 2100 battery, which is a tight fit. The original plastic hatch is prone to breaking. Ideally, the new hatch leaves a little more room under for the larger battery.

rcers 11-05-2011 08:58 PM

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I snapped some quick pics for you...

This is from my Ace Mach None (a vintage model).

You can see the gold Neodymium magnets and the hatch. It has balsa tabs for the front and the other two you see keep it aligned on the fuse.

Mike

KeninAZ 11-05-2011 09:39 PM

OK, I have already cut the hatch area open with my dremel. I got to thinking about it and I think I bought this dremel the first time I got into RC in the 1970s. I have rebuilt it a couple of times since I think as it gets a lot of use in my projects.
Now for a trip to the HS to get some wood to work with to build a tray and supports and the like.
It's the pits when you are just starting out and don't have any scraps laying around like I used to years ago.
And to top that off the HS is almost 10 miles away and it's the only one.
But it's a decent one so I cannot complain.
Oh well, time for an inside project anyway as we got our first snow here last night and more is due Monday.
It's early this year too.

tobydogs 11-05-2011 11:45 PM

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a couple of the mini tele hatch. i used balsa laminated cross grained for strength..put a simple spin latch as cosmetics didn't matter as much to me and those earth magnets weren't as popular years ago:tc:.the hing is covering and red tape[very ugly].Velcro holds great and a 3cell 2200mah 20c zippy fly's this bird great with a turnigy 35-30-1400 SK and 40 amp plush.

i crashed this plane more times than i could remember,but she still flys great. stu

KeninAZ 11-06-2011 12:02 AM

Thanks for the pix.
I picked the same battery, size wise anyway, I found myself with the 2200 20c also. Should give me some nice flight times.
I am running a 400 Size Brushless Outrunner 1200Kv that they recommended and it looks like even with the 8x6 it's going to have lots of power to spare.
Just curious, with your setup, what kinds of flight times are you getting?

I got some wood and such to make the tray and all and I think this is going to work out nice.
The only problem I had was our only HS did not have any the the magnets like shown and he admits they should have. It just switched owners so maybe in the future.
I went to a big box hobby store and found some small button magnets that I will make work out somehow.

rcers 11-06-2011 02:42 AM

That pack is HUGE for the Mini Telemaster. I used a 1000 or 1320 in mine and got 7-8 minute flights.

And saved half the weight. :)

Mike

tobydogs 11-06-2011 04:01 AM

+1 on the pack being to big,but like i said.....to many rebuilds on this old girl...lol:Q. seriously tail heavy now with the added wood rebuilding the fuse. in fact i sheeted the sides of the fuse with thin balsa due to the stick design taking such a beating. it resembles the micro telemaster. i heard from a fellow builder that the micro tele is super strong.[popcorn].

the 35-30-1400 draws a few extra watts than the mini tele should need when built lite[or should i say"built right"]:D



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KeninAZ 11-06-2011 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcers (Post 842576)
That pack is HUGE for the Mini Telemaster. I used a 1000 or 1320 in mine and got 7-8 minute flights.

And saved half the weight. :)

Mike


Yes well being a rookie at electric I got what the recommended for it.
They were out of the 2100 so I checked the physical size and got a 2200 that matched that size when I ordered it.

velojet 11-06-2011 08:22 PM

MTM-ARF battery hatch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeninAZ (Post 842441)
... I am thinking about just putting some small hinges up front with a catch at the rear but I am open to other ideas.
Anyone have any pix of how they did their hatch, Mini Telemaster or not. It may give me some ideas.

Here's how I did it, with a top-loading front-hinged hatch (Dubro hatch catch and plastic hinges):

http://www.millercrawford.com/images...ry_hatch-1.jpg

http://www.millercrawford.com/images...ry_hatch-2.jpg

Still holding together, after 214 flying sessions and some pretty heavy landings. (I took the above photos in the course of a nose repair job after one such heavy landing.)

John V

bluzjamer 11-29-2012 05:33 PM

I have a mini tele also. Also have big hands and have broken balsa getting the battery out.
Tried a 1300 mah and it was still tail heavy so I went to a 1800 mah. I need to install a tray as I was using velcro on the curved vottom and it was coming loose in flight and shifting the cg. What do you guys use to cut out a hatch? Exacto, mini saw, coping saw, dremel? I also had to use low rates and expo to calm down the twichyness this model had. Using a 8-6 prop on a axi 28 series.

velojet 11-29-2012 10:20 PM

Cutting a battery hatch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluzjamer (Post 890456)
I have a mini tele also. Also have big hands and have broken balsa getting the battery out.
Tried a 1300 mah and it was still tail heavy so I went to a 1800 mah. I need to install a tray as I was using velcro on the curved vottom and it was coming loose in flight and shifting the cg. What do you guys use to cut out a hatch? Exacto, mini saw, coping saw, dremel? I also had to use low rates and expo to calm down the twichyness this model had. Using a 8-6 prop on a axi 28 series.

I just cut mine (see pics above) with an Xacto-type knife, and fitted a Velcroed tray.

As for CG (and twitchiness with tail-heaviness), I found I needed lead ballast in the nose. More recently, I've gone to a 3S 2200 mAH Lipo (with an Axi 2208-34 and an 8x6 prop) and have been able to take out the lead. Now flies beautifully, cruising just just under 1/2 throttle and not a hint of twitchiness (DX6i on low rates and expo).

dgjessing 11-29-2012 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeninAZ (Post 842530)
The only problem I had was our only HS did not have any the the magnets like shown and he admits they should have. It just switched owners so maybe in the future.
I went to a big box hobby store and found some small button magnets that I will make work out somehow.

Some little bits of velcro would do the same thing...

tobydogs 11-30-2012 12:08 AM

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i built a battery box for the uproar which is tight after flights. using 2 2200 20c 4cells in parralel. the reason i say this is i also put a strap under one of the batteries to pull up on thus not pulling on the wires.

this idea will work for most battery locations where its tough to get the battery out. the strap i use is duct tape folded over on its self so it weighs nothing and is very thin.
strap not shown in picture but just wanted to show the tight fit for the batts and they are the perfect weight so cg is met without lead added anywhere.

bluzjamer 08-18-2013 02:31 PM

Just an update.....hadn't fooled with the min tele for a while. Mostly flying gliders with epower. Well I tried to fly it the other day and still doesn't want to fly with the 1800 mah. Am also going to switch to a 2200. My thought is more battery is better than adding lead. It seemed to balance at the spar but I used my fingers not the balancer I have at home. Have to repair the firewall as it is now cracked. Have no shortage of 2200 mah so that is my next and final step. Never had a cub that wouldn't fly.

velojet 08-19-2013 12:26 AM

I fly with a 2200 mAH 3S LiPo - all the power I need, and I get 30 min out of it, with just the right amount of weight to put the CG at the optimum position. Here it is in place:
http://www.millercrawford.com/images...ry_hatch-3.jpg

bluzjamer 08-19-2013 02:04 AM

I like your hatch and latch. Mine is a little fubared but I did get it to fly today with the 2200 mah blue lipo. Still not flying as nice as it should. Rudder doesn't do much and elev is sensitive. Had to fly it on higher rates than I like. Have 25% expo on it also. Using an A-9 Hitec. will probably switch it over to Taranis soon.

solentlife 10-11-2013 08:41 PM

For those that don't want to use magnets ... Velcro to hold a hatch down ... maybe there's not sufficient room to have extra surface to fix such to ... a simple old idea works :

Thin wood sticks across the hatch area and extending out from fuselage sides about 5 - 7mm ... enough to secure rubber band over the hatch cover.

Here's just rough to get it to show better ...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ps5ddb9ab0.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ps10a3b21c.jpg

With suitable strips on the underside of hatch to set into correct place - the bands hold it fine without tabs or pins. Easy to open ... if you use same colour bands as model - you don't see it unless close up.

For trays inside to sit LiPo on ... a couple of Lollipop sticks (popsicle I think you US cousins call them ?) ... provide excellent bearers .. set slightly apart to allow air to flow ... Velcro strap round and Bob's the proverbial Uncle ...

Nigel


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