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p3arljam 12-17-2012 06:36 PM

E flite apprentice battery removal
 
Im not sure about others that have this plane or if this is how most planes are but when trying to unplug the lipo from the plane its really hard to do it without pulling the wires from the esc. I understand you want a tight battery connection and you dont want it coming loose but its so tight that when i remove it im afraid somethings going to break.

rcers 12-17-2012 07:05 PM

I just use better connectors (better for me) that are easier to separate. :)

Anderson Power Poles for me...

Mike

xmech2k 12-17-2012 08:17 PM

Yes, those stock plugs are brutal. I put some creatively installed zip-ties for a while, so they were like rings you could pull on. Went to Deans eventually.

road king 97 12-17-2012 11:19 PM

I would like a nice tight fit better than a loose one so if its hard to get apart it must make good contact . joe

rcers 12-17-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by road king 97 (Post 892464)
I would like a nice tight fit better than a loose one so if its hard to get apart it must make good contact . joe

But that is simply not true. APP's work wonderfully and are very easy to separate.

I watched a guy DESTROY his plane getting overheated Deans ultras apart.

Just sayin'

Mike

road king 97 12-18-2012 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rcers (Post 892466)
But that is simply not true. APP's work wonderfully and are very easy to separate.

I watched a guy DESTROY his plane getting overheated Deans ultras apart.

Just sayin'

Mike

My sons aprentice does not have deans plugs on it from the factory it has those two round plug thingys .lol If the deans plug over heated it had a bad conection to begin with and got worce ,might have even melted together. My van melted a plug from a bad conection for my heating fan and i had to rewire it . I have never seen a (real) deans plug go bad but after my van fried its plug it would no surprize me. joe

rcers 12-18-2012 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by road king 97 (Post 892473)
My sons aprentice does not have deans plugs on it from the factory it has those two round plug thingys .lol If the deans plug over heated it had a bad conection to begin with and got worce ,might have even melted together. My van melted a plug from a bad conection for my heating fan and i had to rewire it . I have never seen a (real) deans plug go bad but after my van fried its plug it would no surprize me. joe

The EC3's are terrible - and as the OP points hard hard to separate. The Dean's issue was from overheating, then misshaping them when soldering (in his case). Many don't know how to properly solder and heat stuff up way too much.

Deans Ultra's are great but the just needed some grips. There is no question they are good connectors. But so are APP's and I can separate them with one hand.

Try that with Deans or EC3's. :) And I will put a properly crimped APP against any top connector for draw usage too. They have great surface area but a good design allows them to separate easily.

Mike

kyleservicetech 12-18-2012 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rcers (Post 892445)
I just use better connectors (better for me) that are easier to separate. :)

Anderson Power Poles for me...

Mike

Agreed:
Anderson Power Poles are good, but these Anderson's are even better.
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64539

(I've got both in my connector inventory)

road king 97 12-18-2012 01:19 AM

I have had one set of deans plugs that were tuff to get apart but the rest of mine are not that bad. I see some using electrical lube to make it easy and some drill a hole in each side of the contected plug for a set of snap ring plyers to go into and then its easy to get them apart . Most of the guys i have seen switch over to other plugs just dont want to solder or cant. I have all my esc's and battery packs set up with deans and iam not changing them all now. :D joe

Jaaact 12-18-2012 01:57 AM

Buy a set of snap ring pliers. Very easy- several members in my club have since purchased.
http://www.harborfreight.com/snap-ri...eads-3316.html

kyleservicetech 12-18-2012 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by road king 97 (Post 892480)
I have had one set of deans plugs that were tuff to get apart but the rest of mine are not that bad. I see some using electrical lube to make it easy and some drill a hole in each side of the contected plug for a set of snap ring plyers to go into and then its easy to get them apart . Most of the guys i have seen switch over to other plugs just dont want to solder or cant. I have all my esc's and battery packs set up with deans and iam not changing them all now. :D joe

Yup
For other wattflyer readers, once you have the Anderson Power Pole connectors and the $39 crimper that goes with them, installing those connectors on their respective wires takes perhaps 30 seconds each.

rcers 12-18-2012 11:33 AM

Yep I agree and can have a half dozen pairs of Anderson's on before your iron is hot. :)

kyleservicetech 12-18-2012 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rcers (Post 892517)
Yep I agree and can have a half dozen pairs of Anderson's on before your iron is hot. :)

LOL, but true.

A club member who admits to being not happy while using a soldering iron, picked up the Anderson Power Pole connectors and their crimper.

He just removed all his Deans connectors and replaced all of them with the Andersons.

JetPlaneFlyer 12-18-2012 06:59 PM

I use only XT60 connectors. Similar current capacity and size to Deans but easier to get a hold of and separate and a little easier to solder. Nice and cheap too.

Chucksolo69 12-18-2012 09:56 PM

Yes, the EC3 connectors (blue) are hard to get apart sometimes. Personally I only plug mine in about 3/4 of the way in and they are pretty secure. I have never had them separate during a flight. All my planes except my AXN Floater Jet have the EC3 connectors. My AXN has Deans, but I have an adapter that allows me to use my EC3 equipped batteries in it.

road king 97 12-19-2012 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chucksolo69 (Post 892547)
Yes, the EC3 connectors (blue) are hard to get apart sometimes. Personally I only plug mine in about 3/4 of the way in and they are pretty secure. I have never had them separate during a flight. All my planes except my AXN Floater Jet have the EC3 connectors. My AXN has Deans, but I have an adapter that allows me to use my EC3 equipped batteries in it.

Every one has the one's they like or stuck with because they have so many planes and battery packs set up with them . Happy holidays guys . joe

hayofstacks 12-21-2012 05:25 AM

I actually like the ec3 connectors, and they are compatable with tx60's I believe, I that's the style hobby king used to sell. I made a couple of adaptars for my 1300mah park zone battery's to deans.

After shopping at heads up, they use deans on the esc's and battery's, so I converted everything to deans, and I don't have too many problems. They can be a bear to solder with a 30watt iron though.

road king 97 12-21-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hayofstacks (Post 892714)
I actually like the ec3 connectors, and they are compatable with tx60's I believe, I that's the style hobby king used to sell. I made a couple of adaptars for my 1300mah park zone battery's to deans.

After shopping at heads up, they use deans on the esc's and battery's, so I converted everything to deans, and I don't have too many problems. They can be a bear to solder with a 30watt iron though.

Go to a 50 watt and keep the tip clean and your soldering will go smoooooth. joe

kyleservicetech 12-21-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by road king 97 (Post 892753)
Go to a 50 watt and keep the tip clean and your soldering will go smoooooth. joe

Or, even better, go to a 100 watt TEMPERATURE REGULATED soldering iron. They are an order of magnitude better than those unregulated irons that overheat when not used, burning up the tip, or "underheat" when soldering something heavy duty.

Take a look:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59884







hayofstacks 12-21-2012 08:33 PM

I had a nicer iron and a gun, but burned them both up. A 30w iron isn't too bad if you have patience, but a good iron really is night and day.

Stevephoon 12-21-2012 08:41 PM

I use EC3 connectors on eveything. I find these very simple to solder and put together. I do agree that the real E-Flite / Parkzone connetors are really tight. I use the ones from HobbyKing. They work just as well, but require just a little less force to connect and disconnect. Never had an issue with the these in the 3 years I have been using them. My planes have 2 to 4 cell power setups and the max current is around 35 amps on any plane.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...airs_set_.html

It is a pain that there is no standard power connector.

Steve

kyleservicetech 12-22-2012 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hayofstacks (Post 892801)
I had a nicer iron and a gun, but burned them both up. A 30w iron isn't too bad if you have patience, but a good iron really is night and day.

Yeah
That is a big difference between a plain old soldering iron and one that is temperature regulated.

Those regulated units don't overheat, and burn up the tip.

And, I do have an assortment of soldering irons. Take a look at the attached files. IMHO, those soldering iron guns are not worth buying. In fact where I worked before retiring they were not allowed for use in the production lines.

The second photo shows the two irons used for 99.9% of my soldering work. A Weller 40 watt temperature regulated soldering iron, and a Weller 100 watt temperature regulated soldering iron. Both of these units heat up in about one minute, ready to go. That Weller 40 watt temperature regulated soldering iron was used on the production lines at work by the dozens. Most of them were powered up 8 hours a day, and would last for a year or more before the handset had to be replaced. Mine is six years old, and its gone through about 4 soldering iron tips during that time. (Those tips are iron plated)

MX5Seeker 12-22-2012 03:28 AM

Another vote for APPs. I also use them on HAM radio gear.

kyleservicetech 12-22-2012 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MX5Seeker (Post 892836)
Another vote for APPs. I also use them on HAM radio gear.

My only complaint about those APP connectors, their red and black plastic housings tend to separate from each other after a lot of use.

So, a permanent cure when first building them up, is to put a tiny drop of super thin CA between the two plastic housings. With this, they will NOT come apart!

MX5Seeker 12-24-2012 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kyleservicetech (Post 892848)
My only complaint about those APP connectors, their red and black plastic housings tend to separate from each other after a lot of use.

So, a permanent cure when first building them up, is to put a tiny drop of super thin CA between the two plastic housings. With this, they will NOT come apart!

I actually put a drop or two of hot glue through the hole they have for the "pin". Holds them well and I can always scrape or drill it out.


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