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solentlife 04-09-2014 06:44 PM

Have your set-up your 450 on 9xr .. (mode 2 / er9x)
 
I'm looking for assistance to program in my 450 heli's (SE V2 clones) to my 9xr radio.

The 9x was straightforward in factory firmware - but I'm lost with er9x ...

The Heli template was useless ... ended up with reversed fwd / back ... no right servo for banking, no throttle / pitch action.

So if anyone has a memory file I can upload for a 450 that includes both normal and Idle-up switchable modes ... that would be great ...... or a post with settings ? Based on er9x and Mode 2 radio

I put this post on the General Heli listing as I think there may be many others like me who want to set-up a 9xr ... putting it down in the radio section would possibly not have such visibility ......

?? Any helpers ?

Nigel

thepiper92 04-09-2014 06:50 PM

Does this manual help? http://rosa-hp.sakura.ne.jp/76925955X208573X47.pdf

solentlife 04-09-2014 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thepiper92 (Post 945001)

This is just a copy of the old original er9x manual with Turnigy front end added ... I have both and to be honest are OK - but errors and lack of depth makes it hard to complete the required.

The Heli template doesn't work. What I need is someone who has succeeded in this set-up.

Nigel

thepiper92 04-09-2014 07:16 PM

Definitely not an easy radio to setup, especially with mine changing the channels on me when I click on the simple plane setup. I used it to just set everything to basic...good thing the prop wasn't connected, it put throttle on channel one, ailerons somewhere else, and so on. It is vastly different from the 9x, and I wasn't expecting it to be that different.

kyleservicetech 04-09-2014 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thepiper92 (Post 945004)
Definitely not an easy radio to setup, especially with mine changing the channels on me when I click on the simple plane setup. I used it to just set everything to basic...good thing the prop wasn't connected, it put throttle on channel one, ailerons somewhere else, and so on. It is vastly different from the 9x, and I wasn't expecting it to be that different.

Off topic, but I'm curious.

How difficult is it to set up the Spektrum DX8 for helicopter aircraft? At least as compared to the 9xr system?

(FYI, helicopters are not my thing. Also, our club rules and bylaws do not allow rotor craft of any type on our flying field.)

JetPlaneFlyer 04-09-2014 07:51 PM

Sorry to say this, and I know I probably keep banging on. Sometimes it is worth paying more for a system with intuitive easy to follow programming and that comes with proper fully detailed and easy to follow manuals written in real English. Plus of course good customer support if you do have problems.

I know mainstream systems might appear expensive in comparison to these 9x systems, but what price do you put on hours on end of frustration and wasted time?

JetPlaneFlyer 04-09-2014 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kyleservicetech (Post 945006)
How difficult is it to set up the Spektrum DX8 for helicopter aircraft? At least as compared to the 9xr system?

For many helis all you do is download the profile from the Horizon site, and install. Personally i prefer to program mine from scratch so i know how everything is set up, but even then the programming is easy to follow and intuitive, it only takes minutes.

Setting up the flybarless controller is the more time consuming task.

kyleservicetech 04-09-2014 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JetPlaneFlyer (Post 945008)
For many helis all you do is download the profile from the Horizon site, and install. Personally i prefer to program mine from scratch so i know how everything is set up, but even then the programming is easy to follow and intuitive, it only takes minutes.

Setting up the flybarless controller is the more time consuming task.

Good to know, thanks.

FYI, Spektrum's engineers indicate that the software in their DX8 transmitter is some 200,000 lines of code. That might account for the extra $$$$'s for those DX8's. :D

solentlife 04-10-2014 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thepiper92 (Post 945004)
Definitely not an easy radio to setup, especially with mine changing the channels on me when I click on the simple plane setup. I used it to just set everything to basic...good thing the prop wasn't connected, it put throttle on channel one, ailerons somewhere else, and so on. It is vastly different from the 9x, and I wasn't expecting it to be that different.

Correct .... it's strange that Author has plumped for Throt ch1 setting ... you'd think that there would be alternative AETR as well ...

The 9x was far easier on stock firmware to program up a heli.

Nigel

solentlife 04-10-2014 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JetPlaneFlyer (Post 945007)
Sorry to say this, and I know I probably keep banging on. Sometimes it is worth paying more for a system with intuitive easy to follow programming and that comes with proper fully detailed and easy to follow manuals written in real English. Plus of course good customer support if you do have problems.

I know mainstream systems might appear expensive in comparison to these 9x systems, but what price do you put on hours on end of frustration and wasted time?

They may be easier - but then limitations start to kick in as to extent of functions.

It's a roundabout and swings matter ... and one that I would ask is better debated elsewhere ... in the other threads that degenerated into such ...

Not being rude - but I asked for a 450 Heli setup routine not a debate on the pro's and con's of brands.

;);)

Nigel

solentlife 11-14-2014 10:55 AM

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I've been playing and come up with a basic 450 setup for my 9xr / er9x ...

Its a bit sensitive so needs toning down a bit, but at least its a foundation to work from.

As most people find ... stock set-ups often do not translate well to individual preferences .. so I have left the memory file as is ...

This should be un-zipped and then copied to 9xr via eePe ....

Note - it is based NOT on FrSky - but on the FlySky set-up and default module.

"I have one of my 9xr's fitted with my old FlySky Ver2 module that came with my factory FS 9X. Semmed a shame to have it and the Rx's doing nothing ... so now I have one of my 9xr's as a FlySky machine ... flies my WL Toys .. and the second 450 I have."

Nigel

GunnyJeeves 04-14-2015 03:01 AM

Dang Nigel,

Just saw this. Recently fiddled with a 250 and some fbl stuff.

Here is my "cheat sheet"

1-4. TAER Spektrum Style
5. Gyro
6. Pitch

I map pitch to throttle stick.
Map throttle to a POT
Map the Gyro also to a POT.
I make throttle hold work with a REPLACE = -100

That's flyable out the gate, lower head speed tells you what to expect.

Pass number 2 your gyro is dialed in, you can set it and your curves.

Helps to make a note on paper that curve 1 = throttle at idle-up etc...

Plus side is you can have as many curves as you want.

thepiper92 04-14-2015 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GunnyJeeves (Post 972338)
Dang Nigel,

Just saw this. Recently fiddled with a 250 and some fbl stuff.

Here is my "cheat sheet"

1-4. TAER Spektrum Style
5. Gyro
6. Pitch

I map pitch to throttle stick.
Map throttle to a POT
Map the Gyro also to a POT.
I make throttle hold work with a REPLACE = -100

That's flyable out the gate, lower head speed tells you what to expect.

Pass number 2 your gyro is dialed in, you can set it and your curves.

Helps to make a note on paper that curve 1 = throttle at idle-up etc...

Plus side is you can have as many curves as you want.

You don't need to map throttle to a pot. Throttle is channel 1, channel 6 is collective, but are controlled simultaneously by the left stick, unless in idle up where throttle is a constant. Everything is done through curves in that in a mix for throttle you assign it to a curve, and you assign channel 6 to a curve. TH is assigned to a curve and mixed (all curves are replace actually) to a -100 curve to channel 1. As for gyro, you best add a curve actually as the 250 uses very low gain and -100-0 is rate and 0-100 is HH. You won't need -100-100, or rate mode at all really, but you can set a curve from -30-30 and that will give you up to 30 in both modes, thus making the pot more precise.

GunnyJeeves 04-15-2015 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by thepiper92 (Post 972343)
You don't need to map throttle to a pot. Throttle is channel 1, channel 6 is collective, but are controlled simultaneously by the left stick, unless in idle up where throttle is a constant. Everything is done through curves in that in a mix for throttle you assign it to a curve, and you assign channel 6 to a curve. TH is assigned to a curve and mixed (all curves are replace actually) to a -100 curve to channel 1. As for gyro, you best add a curve actually as the 250 uses very low gain and -100-0 is rate and 0-100 is HH. You won't need -100-100, or rate mode at all really, but you can set a curve from -30-30 and that will give you up to 30 in both modes, thus making the pot more precise.

I know that, but it gets a controlled start.

Throttle on a pot, you can go to zero pitch and gradually add throttle to check vibrations, before setting your curves.

In the end, my throttle is a curve based on flight mode, and my gyro is a set value... What that setting is I figure out from the dial on the pot. I don't really know the end values initially, so I found I can fly the heli quite well with throttle and gyro on a pot for the first flight.

The values are visible in er9x when you edit the mix.

Ch5 - pot1 - 78 translates to ch5 - max - 78.
Same for throttle if you find a head speed setting you like, stunt1 becomes 92,92,92,92,92 curve... But you will already know if this makes the ESC too hot.

Programming a 9x for a full 450 program takes like 6 curves. (Throttle and cyclic for three modes.)

For a quick first setup, throttle and gyro go to pots, and throttle (stick) maps to cyclic. Easy peasy.

Not wanting to confuse anyone about longer term fully programming their radio. My trick is more for the maiden.


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