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garyp1029 05-19-2014 03:53 PM

Spektrum AR610 vs AR6210 Receivers
 
Both are 6 channel "full range", but the 6210 has "two receivers, internal and remote" for an extra $20. My question: Isn't the 6210 a case of a solution searching for a problem? Using it means separating the "internal" receiver from its "remote" companion, thereby increasing the number of electronics--more things, more wires, more double-stick tape, etc. In short, why should one pay the extra money for the redundancy? How much of an advantage is the 6210 over the 610? Thanks. Gary

fhhuber 05-19-2014 04:11 PM

6210 is intended for a larger plane with more metal mass. (bigger battery or engine) You place the remote some distance from the main and then it is less likely for you to be able to "shadow" (have significant metal between TX and RX, blocking the signal) both antennae at once.

Generally you don't need the 6210 until you have a plane over 4 lbs.

Turner 05-19-2014 05:24 PM

More here:

https://www.spektrumrc.com/Technology/MultiLink.aspx

NJSwede 05-19-2014 06:51 PM

It's all about signal path diversity. A 2.4GHz signal is very sensitive to solid objects, especially metal ones. So if you're flying your model in a way such that an engine, motor, battery, CF-rod or something else is blocking the signal for one receiver, another one can take over. In a small plane, the solid objects are small enough that you'll never block the signal for any meaningful period of time, but the bigger the plane, the greater the chance that you have some big chunk of something blocking the signal path. For example, in my 88" Slick, I have four separate satellite receivers. Probably overkill, but it provides some peace of mind and virtually guarantees that there's no angle where you'd have less than 2 receivers picking up the signal.

fhhuber 05-19-2014 07:11 PM

BTW... using the logger and one of Spektrum's AR9000 RXs on a 50CC model... 15 min flights average 50 "lost packets" max per RX. Thats less than 1 second total where any one satellite was not getting useful signal. 0 packets where no satellite got a useful signal.

Consistent over the last 4 years. I've never seen more than 100 lost packets on any one satellite.

The system works really well...

kyleservicetech 05-19-2014 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fhhuber (Post 948713)
BTW... using the logger and one of Spektrum's AR9000 RXs on a 50CC model... 15 min flights average 50 "lost packets" max per RX. Thats less than 1 second total where any one satellite was not getting useful signal. 0 packets where no satellite got a useful signal.

Consistent over the last 4 years. I've never seen more than 100 lost packets on any one satellite.

The system works really well...

Yeah

I've got that logger also, and have had similar results. So much so, that logger is sitting safely in my drawer full of receiver stuff. :D :D

Methinks if we'd had logging ability on those 72 Mhz radios, we'd been rather surprised by the results.

kyleservicetech 05-19-2014 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NJSwede (Post 948710)
It's all about signal path diversity. A 2.4GHz signal is very sensitive to solid objects, especially metal ones. So if you're flying your model in a way such that an engine, motor, battery, CF-rod or something else is blocking the signal for one receiver, another one can take over. In a small plane, the solid objects are small enough that you'll never block the signal for any meaningful period of time, but the bigger the plane, the greater the chance that you have some big chunk of something blocking the signal path. For example, in my 88" Slick, I have four separate satellite receivers. Probably overkill, but it provides some peace of mind and virtually guarantees that there's no angle where you'd have less than 2 receivers picking up the signal.

I've got one of those spectrum analyzers, and used it to check the signal level about 6 inches behind a 6S2P A123 battery pack, with its aluminum encased cells. Behind that battery pack, the analyzer showed that the signal dropped to Zero. Would the average person notice the brief signal loss? Good question, but for me, the extra signal reception improvement of the reliability of the slave receiver is very definitely worth while.

Take a look:
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72719

As for signal reliability, yesterday at our club field, a fellow modeler had a giant scale model with a 125 inch wingspan, twin cylinder 150 CC gasser up front, with a top of the line Spektrum receiver and three or four slave receivers. Plus the usual primary and backup battery packs and so on. Very nice airplane, but he never got the engine started. The choke push rod fell behind the engine cowling, the cowling has to be removed to fix. That cowling had several dozen screws holding it in place.

That model had some 10 servos, each rated at 600 inch ounces torque.

kyleservicetech 05-19-2014 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Turner (Post 948707)

I like that website.

Not all RC radio manufacturers publish how their own radio communications systems work.

Stevephoon 05-19-2014 09:36 PM

The AR6210 also has the "SmartSafe™ failsafe system" where the AR610 does not. So if going to failsafe values when the TX signal is lost is needed instead of just a hold, you need the AR6210.

Steve


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