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pizzano 08-24-2014 06:17 PM

Another Couple of Big Guns File FAA Lawsuits
 
Three new challenges for the FAA to deal with were filed recently.....AMA, Council on Government Relations and Skypan International......two of which are pretty big players:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/faa...ew-drone-rules

The Attorney representing the cases, (B. Schulman), has previously won judgements against the FAA......and plans on a "no holds barred" challenge this time around as well.

xmech2k 08-24-2014 10:56 PM

Wow! All them drone guys who think the AMA hates them will have to rethink their ideas! Never thought our little hobby would get tangled up like this.

And I know, I know, spelling police! But it's 'no holds barred'. Had its origins in wrestling. Sorry! :oops:

Fishbonez 10-07-2014 03:33 AM

Anyone heard any updates with this. I know the comment period has ended but the AMA has said very little recently as far as I can tell.

pizzano 10-07-2014 04:03 AM

The only thing I've seen lately is that AMA is now a party to two additional FAA challenges..........as many are aware, there are dozens and dozens of issues that are being sorted out through a number of channels and at various levels. The concentration right now seems to be in the commercial, for profit arenas....were the money does the talking...!

Fishbonez 10-07-2014 04:36 AM

Interesting
I only wonder because the debate has come up again at out club. Its still my understanding that flying FPV with goggles is still illegal however some have said the FAA has not made it a regulation yet. I cant find anything that says the FAA has let up on the "leash" for a lack of a better word

Fishbonez 10-12-2014 05:02 AM

This is interesting. I wonder what they are up to [popcorn]

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...cumentid/22425

xmech2k 10-12-2014 05:23 AM

:confused: I got a list of FAA AC's. What are you trying to link to?

Fishbonez 10-12-2014 05:30 AM

Oops posted the wrong link
Thanks XM

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...cumentid/22425

I will correct the original link

xmech2k 10-12-2014 07:23 AM

Hmmm. Hopefully nothing earth shattering. Jeez. They're causing me some stress...

kyleservicetech 10-12-2014 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishbonez (Post 959443)
This is interesting. I wonder what they are up to [popcorn]

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...cumentid/22425

It looks like they are canceling the original model flying standards of the 1980's and are indicating a new flying standard for models is in the works.
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...ular/91-57.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...o_AC_91-57.pdf
Comments by the legal experts ????

Porcia83 10-13-2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishbonez (Post 958996)
Interesting
I only wonder because the debate has come up again at out club. Its still my understanding that flying FPV with goggles is still illegal however some have said the FAA has not made it a regulation yet. I cant find anything that says the FAA has let up on the "leash" for a lack of a better word

Goggles on pilot= no good

Pilot in command must have visual line of sight. Goggles can be used by others though.

pizzano 10-13-2014 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Porcia83 (Post 959610)
Goggles on pilot= no good

Pilot in command must have visual line of sight. Goggles can be used by others though.

Here's the actual (boiled down version) FAA Statute......to date, nothing has changed for the hobbiest:

"By definition, a model aircraft must be “flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft.” Based on the plain language of the statute, the FAA interprets this requirement to mean that: (1) the aircraft must be visible at all times to the operator; (2) that the operator must use his or her own natural vision (which includes vision corrected by standard eyeglasses or contact lenses) to observe the aircraft; and (3) people other than the operator may not be used in lieu of the operator for maintaining visual line of sight. Under the criteria above, visual line of sight would mean that the operator has an unobstructed view of the model aircraft. To ensure that the operator has the best view of the aircraft, the statutory requirement would preclude the use of vision-enhancing devices, such as binoculars, night vision goggles, powered vision magnifying devices, and goggles designed to provide a “first-person view” from the model.
Footnote 2: The FAA is aware that at least one community-based organization permits “first person view” (FPV) operations during which the hobbyist controls the aircraft while wearing goggles that display images transmitted from a camera mounted in the front of the model aircraft. While the intent of FPV is to provide a simulation of what a pilot would see from the flight deck of a manned aircraft, the goggles may obstruct an operator’s vision, thereby preventing the operator from keeping the model aircraft within his or her visual line of sight at all times"

Many RC hobby forums, clubs and magazines have taken it upon themselves to translate their own version of the FPV goggle use.......and there still does not exist an actual "official" enforceable Federal or State "LAW" on the subject of goggles....however, many "local" ahthorities have been putting into play "ordinances" that cover the (hobby use) subject with regards to the application of such on or near public property or domain.

The Commercial environment (for pay and profit) use, has implemented several certificate and license programs that must be adhered to in order to operate. Those "laws" come at a very steep price and violations of such can result in a "life time" ban if violated within Federal properties and "air space"......and is seriously being enforced by the institutions that are providing the license and certificates (which are recognized by the FAA).

If one would like to explore the "in's and out's" in more detail, visit this forum:

http://www.multirotorforums.com/forum.php

Porcia83 10-14-2014 01:55 PM

Right, Goggles on Pilot = Not good.

Fishbonez 10-16-2014 06:40 AM

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...lled-in-error/

Interesting [popcorn]


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