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Cool Bagging wings - A resource thread

Bagging wings - A resource thread
I am not a builder but I have a lot of respect for those who like to build.

I have been preparing a section of my weekly newsletter on Bagging Wings. There will be a presentation at our club on the topic at the next meeting.

I think I pulled together some good resources so I am going to post them here for those who might be interested.

And I encourage anyone who knows hot to bag wings or who has question about bagging wings to post in this thread. Maybe we can get a good exchange going.

If my club is interested we might start a "one design" group build around a bagged wing project. If it happens I will let you know and share a link to the discussion.


RESOURCES

BAGGED WING GLIDERS –
THE LOW COST WAY TO BUILD COMPETITIVE TD, ALES and HAND LAUNCHED GLIDERS
Many of the gliders flown at the ESL contests at our field are bagged wing designs.

Learning about bagging wings will open up a whole new world of options for you. You can make DLGs, larger models, winched gliders and electric gliders that look and fly very much like the high end molded wing gliders.



First you cut the foam cores


Hot wire cutting foam cores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sd0c7Y1XqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZkTCeoN79M

Hot wire kit review
http://www.cstsales.com/tekoa_hot_wire.html
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=971230

Custom cut foam cores if you don’t want to cut your own
http://www.clm-pro.com/cnc-cutting-services

Make your own foam cutter
http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articl...foamcutter.htm

Making foam cutting templates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8M91NlsxPE


Then they go in the bag


Vacuum Bagging Overview video
He is not making a wing, he is making a part on a mold
This could be used to make 1/2 of a fuselage
The process is similar for wings as you will see in the other videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jSwx_EkJgM

Wing bagging videos – to give you a flavor of what it takes:


Bagging a DLG wing, start to finish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW3fEWBZGrU
Bagging DLG wings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWuorRZPnQ
Bagging a scale glider wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywPe3eqBofE

Telos building thread with $10 VACUUM BAGGING SYSTEM Tutorial!!!
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=966524

Vacuum Bagging Systems
http://www.cstsales.com/vacuum_bagging.html
http://www.cstsales.com/basic_vacbag.html


Vacuum bagging with a vacuum sealing food saver
May not be good enough to build a Supra but it might be good
to give the process a try if you have one of these.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186029


Nice write-ups and photos of building a foam core wing for bagging.
May fill in some details that you don’t pick up from the videos
http://www.cstsales.com/vac_wing.html
http://www.favonius.com/soaring/bagging/bagging.htm
http://www.favonius.com/soaring/bagging/tail_end.htm
http://www.pilotsguide.com/rc/vacbag.shtml


Instructional Videos on making bagged wings

Beginners Guide to Cutting and Bagging Foam Wings
http://www.tailwindgliders.com/Sales.html

Phil Barnes - Vacuum bagging made easy – video set (I have this set)
This is based on the stressed skin approach, as I recall
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190214
I confirmed that the video is still available even though a couple of the preview links
on the page don’t work. You can order the video here.
http://home.paonline.com/hayman/PAGE2.htm



OK, you are interested. What can you build? Here are some examples.

You can use this technique to build any kind of aircraft but being a glider pilot mostly I focus on gliders. Here are Mark Drela competition glider designs that are based on bagged wing construction

Supra – 3.4 meter glider
http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm

Aegea 2 – 2 Meter Glider
http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/a...la_aegea2m.htm

Super Gee 2 – DLG
http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/s...SuperGeeII.htm
You can buy the Super Gee 2 foam cutting templates and the boom here:
http://www.mountainmodels.com/produc...roducts_id=192

Lost foam method of making composite parts.
You could use this method to make your own pod/fuselage
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188980

Glider design discussion based on a bagged wing Supra. This conversation goes back to 2011 and is still active today.
If you want to read a bit about how people take an existing design, the Supra, and modify it, this is an interesting discussion.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1528685


OK, You made the wings. What about the rest of the parts?

Continuing with the glider designs above, you can make your own fuselage/pod or you can buy one These guys sell pods, booms and v mounts
http://www.clm-pro.com/pods
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1832907
Tail Booms
https://goodwinds.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Tail+Boom


If you want to design and build your own – these are for the composite building junkie

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HANDBOOK - COMPOSITE MATERIALS HANDBOOK
http://www.library.ucdavis.edu/dept/.../HDBK17-3F.pdf

Design Software
XFLR5 - Planform and airfoil integrated design
http://www.xflr5.com/xflr5.htm
Profili - Airfoil performance and plotting software
http://www.profili2.com/eng/default.htm
Plane Geometry - Design parameters in Excel spreadsheet. Plug in the measured parameters of your model and back out the performance properties, or vise-versa. Great for scaling up planes or making small changes in design but keeping the flight characteristics the same
http://www.envisiondesignusa.com/evd..._Overview.html
Linkage Design - calculate you linkage layouts, calculate torques and moment arms for your servos, etc
http://www.envisiondesignusa.com/evd..._Overview.html


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PLEASE POST YOUR QUESTONS OR INPUT. TELL US OF YOU EXPERINCE BUILDING BAGGED WING GLIDERS. SHARE YOUR TIPS AND TRICKS, PHOTOS AND VIDEOS.

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