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Old 05-31-2006, 05:16 AM   #1
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Default The New GWS SLOW STICK

YES The NEW GWS SLOW STICK!

Pictures from the Build!

And new information about the kit.

First thing that GWS has changed is the Bok its a lot smaller and even has a handle on it.

When I opened the bx the first thing I noticed was that the medal frame now comes in 2 sections! ( more later)

on page 2 of the manual you will see tha the kit also now comes with a new part PMSPC-1023
(Push rod lock head) well they were not in my kit!
GWS has updated the manual And in teh 2nd one I bought! there was a piece of paper to show how to make z-bends ans say the push rods are optional)

on page 2 the manual says the kits comes with PXISOF-4P-2062R
Cowling fixing screw M2

and PXISOF-4P-2062R
Cowling fixing screw M3

also PWWAHF43052050R ( Washer)
also PWWAHF43052050R ( Washer)

and PWNUT43162040R (labeled as Fiber Glass spar but the picture shows a nut)

All these items were missing from my kit!

Thank good for spare parts!

Moving on the build is the same GWS slow stick build ( now for some great news GWS has made the foam pieces of the Slow stick tail out of thicker foam) it is not the old cheap red depron looking foam but a white foam core with red on both sides thicker foam. good job GWS

Also now on page 5 they show a Instalation position of all the plastic parts if your are going to use a lipo setup!

on page 6 they show the stock setup for the old slow stick.

On page 5 they also show the Fuselage Assembly using as I stated before the 2 piece frame good I guess if you want to break down your plane for transporting. and I guess if you break the fron or bend your frame just replace the front portion and your done might be some help! jury still out on this change.

jumping to page 9 they show the new Push rod locks being used!

Besides that everything else looks the same



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This explains why almost everyone is out of stock on the SS. They are awaiting the new batch!

I'm betting the two-piece stick is so they can ship it in a smaller box.

Did it come with the 'normal' looking foam wheels or did you add them?

Thanks for the skinny on the new SS!

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Hello!

I added the foam wheels!

The kit is in a much smaller box, the new box is about the size of one side of the wing! and yes im sure that was also one reason for the 2 piece stick! I flew it with the bp21 motor and it fly alot better then the stock 300 motor ever did will go vertical at 3/4 stick allmost hover, im only spinning a 9050 prop and with the bp12 motor I can turn a 1147 prop with the same setup Im going to team up with one of my venders to offer a slowstick Bp12 combo motor/esc for about $45.00 so stay tunned

Otherwise gota love this plane!
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Hello!

I added the foam wheels!

The kit is in a much smaller box, the new box is about the size of one side of the wing! and yes im sure that was also one reason for the 2 piece stick! I flew it with the bp21 motor and it fly alot better then the stock 300 motor ever did will go vertical at 3/4 stick allmost hover, im only spinning a 9050 prop and with the bp12 motor I can turn a 1147 prop with the same setup Im going to team up with one of my venders to offer a slowstick Bp12 combo motor/esc for about $45.00 so stay tunned

Otherwise gota love this plane!
I want that combo when you get it put together.
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Thanks Robert. I love mine too. Beat up and ugly as it is these days.

I fly mine with an SK400XT outrunner, 9x6 APC prop, TowerPro 15A ESC and 3S 1050 and 1700 Vampower lipos. Amazingly fun to fly.

That $45 setup sounds like it would be a deal!

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BP12 This powerful motor is made to swing a 1047 or 1147 prop for high torque applications. This motor would be good for a slowstick, or any 3D plane that you need a big prop, but low pitch. The recommended battery would be the Xpower 2s1000 to 3s1320 mAh.
Weight: 43g
Shaft Size: 3.0mm
Voltage range: 6-12V

Configuration: Propeller: Volts: Amps: RPM:
Direct Drive 1047 7.2V 2.5A 3400
Direct Drive 1047 11.1V 8.8A 5500
Direct Drive 1147 7.2V 6.2A 3800
Direct Drive 1147 11.1V 10A 5000
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features many advanced features. We reviewed your feedback and made a better more reliable ESC! This ESC has a 5V, 1A BEC capable of controlling 3 micro servos. This ESC is perfect for 3D flying due to its precise throttle control.
Combo price bp12/12A ESC $45.00 + S&H
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Yes I am familiar with the BP motors. I don't like them. Others do. Would pull an SS around quite well.

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Ok Here is the Combo I will offer for the slowstick!

1 BP12 motor
1 12A ESC
1 set of gold 3.5mm conectors

$59.99 complete plug and play Brushless set is ready for sale.
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Ok Here is the Combo I will offer for the slowstick!

1 BP12 motor
1 12A ESC
1 set of gold 3.5mm conectors

$47.00 + S&H
Ouch!. One of my friends in NJ has that combo for $31 and $4 shipping. I just got the motor/connectors and the ESC is on the way.

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Doc Pete: do you have a link so I can see what your friend is offering sounds to good to be true


here is what the 2 items look like that we offer!


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Doc Pete: do you have a link so I can see what your friend is offering sounds to good to be true


here is what the 2 items look like that we offer!
This looks like a good deal. I think we are spoiled now when $50 is a lot to pay for a bl motor/esc! I have an old AF 020 with ESC that was over $200..

I have a question, is the shaft replaceable if you tweak it real bad? If so, how much?
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This looks like a good deal. I think we are spoiled now when $50 is a lot to pay for a bl motor/esc! I have an old AF 020 with ESC that was over $200..

I have a question, is the shaft replaceable if you tweak it real bad? If so, how much?
Yes the shafts are replaceable!

And they are only a couple bucks!

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Ouch!. One of my friends in NJ has that combo for $31 and $4 shipping. I just got the motor/connectors and the ESC is on the way.
Hi Doc,

Good deal Doc, a very good deal indeed.


Regarding the new and improved "version". I never liked the idea of a split boom to begin with, I like it even less on the new model where the end user is forced to "take it" whether we like it or not. A split boom makes for a weaker "airframe", one that won't survive beginner's mistakes as nicely as the original has. :o

It may appear like a smart move on GWS' part, in the end it will doom the model to failure as a viable beginner's option. The argument about "ease of transportation" for the "split boom" is not a valid one either. Dismantling that bird for transport and reassembling at any field will take a good 10 minutes for each operation. Then there is the "are the elevator and rudder trims OK" factor to take into consideration. The minuses are greater than the pluses. I'll stop by my LHS and pick one of the older ones up. I won't touch the new one with a ten foot pole, period.

If this is the only version that will be available in the future, the model's fate has been sealed by itd manufacturer. It is doomed to fail miserably. :o

There is nothing easier and friendler than throwing a single piece, "rigid boomed" Slow Stick on the back seat and just pull it out, put its wing on and go fly whenever one feels like so doing.

IMHO, GWS has managed to accomplish the impossible, They have screwed up the venerable Slow Stick beyond recognition. The chance for it to be recommended as a viable, useful and long lasting trainer no longer exist.

I have removed the "model" from my SIG.
 
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I think your are right on target Qb I think the two piece boom is doomed for failure as well. One of the big advantages of the SS in my eyes is durability and ease of use. I see most if not all folks leaving the tail on anyway... but it does create a weak link and another point of failure.

I think in their haste to save a few bucks in shipping costs they have gone down the wrong road.

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I think your are right on target Qb I think the two piece boom is doomed for failure as well. One of the big advantages of the SS in my eyes is durability and ease of use. I see most if not all folks leaving the tail on anyway... but it does create a weak link and another point of failure.

I think in their haste to save a few bucks in shipping costs they have gone down the wrong road.

Bill
It does, and so happens that it is located so close to the model's rear end support. That plastic square won't hold long before giving up. Can anyone imagine a weak tail end letting go in flight?

They have just killed a nice model. No longer a viable option to rank beginners.
 
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Ouch!. One of my friends in NJ has that combo for $31 and $4 shipping. I just got the motor/connectors and the ESC is on the way.
I can get a combo including the Tower Pro 2410-12 motor (or the 2408-21) and 15A ESC for $37 plus $5 shipping from Wisconsin at: www.rcepower.com
 
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Yeah I see alot of people offering the towerpro combo for $34.99 + $2.95 for the gold 3.5mm conectors.

Its a good deal but or Dualsky speed controller is half the size and weight! and is programable.

No jumper for 2-3 cells.

And has a slow startup feature and has full movement through the stick not just on and full power like alot of the tower pro esc's I have seen.

I still think for $59.99 this is the Best deal for a truely rtf brushless sytem!

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Yeah I see alot of people offering the towerpro combo for $34.99 + $2.95 for the gold 3.5mm conectors.

Its a good deal but or Dualsky speed controller is half the size and weight! and is programable.

No jumper for 2-3 cells.

And has a slow startup feature and has full movement through the stick not just on and full power like alot of the tower pro esc's I have seen.

I still think for $47.00 or combo is a great offer.
Oh. Just the power set. For some reason I thought you were offering the airplane too at that price.

Here's my reasoning.

$21 sloper kit
$10 Motor
$15 ESC
$2 connectors

$48 total.

Those are prices that I as somebody who is not a dealer can buy all those items for right now.

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I still think for $47.00 or combo is a great offer.
Yes I agree. For the record, the bp12 they offer is the one that likes an 8/4 or 8/4.3. I assume yours in the bp12s that likes the bigger prop.

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Yes I agree. For the record, the bp12 they offer is the one that likes an 8/4 or 8/4.3. I assume yours in the bp12s that likes the bigger prop.
Great setup for most of the GWS war birds and planes like that!

The Bp12 is the motor that is designed to swing a larger prop draw small 5amps and offer tons of thrust! great for 3D type plane (and perfect for the slow stick) use a 3 cell 11.1 volt pack and you can takeoff in about 2 feet and go straight vertical.

(now about those towerpro brushless esc) yes they are good for there price! But they don't have a very fine throttle curve in them.

Try this if you want to see what I'm talking about charge a full pack ( I used a 3 cell for my test 11.1 volt ) hook up a bp12 type motor and don't install a prop just the motor, switch everything on with the stick in the low position and slowly move the throttle to 50% now and I have checked this on about 5 towerpro esc'c move the stick forward and backwards going from the range of about 65% and 35% you will notice that the motor spins at the same speed?

these esc have about 5 steps built in
1. 20% = on low throttle
3. 30% = medium throttle
3. 35%-65% = half throttle
4. 65% = 3/4 throttle
5. 75% = full

Something like that!


Now better esc (the dualsky one I use have a 10 step curve better movement threw the stick)

So you get what you pay for (the towerpro for a person who just want to throttle up fly at half speed and then cut power when they land is a great price.

( But remember) lets say 1/2 throttle is 2 fast for a new pilot. and there is play in your throttle stick try finding 30% when all you can do is think about crashing your plane!)

Besides as another post said the dualsky esc is only $29.00 we used to pay $60.00 for the same thing 2 years ago.

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Well I stopped at the mall on the way home from work today. I needed to pick up some things so I could assemble my Slow Stick this weekend. The hobby shop that I had been going to since I was a kid was gone! Hanging over the door was a sign proclaiming "Grand Opening!". My hobby shop was replaced by a "As Seen On TV" store!!! Made me a bit sad........

Tomorrow I'm going to a new hobby store about six miles away. I don't know where it is but that's what nav systems are for. Darn, I really did want to start on it tonight and let the epoxy cure over night.
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Qban, aside from the 2-piece fuse, is there anything else you don't like about the new stick?
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Nope.

I am giving my opinion based on the photos and comments posted by the thread originator here. I trust the only screw up is just the split boom. Bad enough that it is ahead of the tail wheel bracket, where the boom is at its weakest point. That plastic joiner won't survive more than a few hard landings. :o
 
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If you don't like the two piece shtick so much, why not just glue/fuse/solder/weld the thing so it never comes apart and everyone can be happy again? I don't like a two piece thingy either, but why not just make it a permanent one piece?
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Does the fuse stick come with two equal lengths, or is one half longer then the other?
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