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Old 02-27-2014, 03:15 PM   #1
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Default Anyone seen the Tom-E-Boy from Mountain Models?

Is the Tom-E-Boy from Mountain Models a fun plane to fly?

Would it be possible to build a two-part wing for easy transport?

Does Mountain Models make good products?

The MM website calls for a Power D1811-2000 Outrunner. I am not familiar with this motor, is it important to use this exact motor to get a good fit, or could an Eflite outrunner be just as easily used?

Also calls for 3.7 gram servos, Power HD or Mountain Models - is there a Futaba equivalent or are the servos best purchased along with the plane from Mountain Models?

Plans call for SoLite covering - I have plenty of TowerCote and UltraCote, but I assume I need something lighter. Where can I find a covering like SoLite?
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Looks awesome...

You must use the lighter covering... You can get it from Stephen Aero, Tower carries it as Coverite Micro Lite...
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Mountain Models makes great kits. I have not tried any of their Micro/Small models, but I do have their Dandy, P-51, EVA with both the Sport and Bipe Wings and the Firestorm. All kits are great.

For all, here is a link to the Tom-E-Boy
http://www.mountainmodels.com/produc...roducts_id=715

The wing span is 30 in or so. Not sure if it could be made as a two piece wing. You could try emailing Brian at Mountain Models directly and ask him. He's a great guy.

I have bought some motors/electronics from Mountain Models and everything I have bought has worked well. I am not a Futaba guy, so I can't comment on finding that brand of stuff. I have bought the SoLite covering from Mountain Models as well, it's under "Covering and Trim" on their web site. But like Mike posted, the Coverite-MicroLite is really the same stuff as far as I can tell.

In general, it is very common to substitute your own electronic stuff into kits. For example, I buy a lot of my electronics from HeadsUpHobby.com You just need to be careful to use parts that are of the same size, weight, capability...

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Mountain Models says to use a Micro RX (Berg4L or Spektrum 615e).

I have an older 72 mhz transmitter. What kind of receiver would I need for this Tom-E-Boy plane, and do I need a special micro crystal as well?
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Anyone seen the Tom-E-Boy from Mountain Models? Is the Tom-E-Boy from Mountain Models a fun plane to fly?

Would it be possible to build a two-part wing for easy transport?

Does Mountain Models make good products?

The MM website calls for a Power D1811-2000 Outrunner. I am not familiar with this motor, is it important to use this exact motor to get a good fit, or could an Eflite outrunner be just as easily used?

Also calls for 3.7 gram servos, Power HD or Mountain Models - is there a Futaba equivalent or are the servos best purchased along with the plane from Mountain Models?

Plans call for SoLite covering - I have plenty of TowerCote and UltraCote, but I assume I need something lighter. Where can I find a covering like SoLite?






The motor seems very reasonable priced from Mountain Models, you can use any motor you want to as long as its not to heavy for the plane, same goes for the Esc and the lipo. with the recommended lite weight of this plane 4.5oz , its a indoor flyer, I dont think it will handle any kind of wind very well. its to lite and big. it will be a kite.

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Anyone seen the Tom-E-Boy from Mountain Models? Is the Tom-E-Boy from Mountain Models a fun plane to fly?

Would it be possible to build a two-part wing for easy transport?

Does Mountain Models make good products?

The MM website calls for a Power D1811-2000 Outrunner. I am not familiar with this motor, is it important to use this exact motor to get a good fit, or could an Eflite outrunner be just as easily used?

Also calls for 3.7 gram servos, Power HD or Mountain Models - is there a Futaba equivalent or are the servos best purchased along with the plane from Mountain Models?

Plans call for SoLite covering - I have plenty of TowerCote and UltraCote, but I assume I need something lighter. Where can I find a covering like SoLite?






The motor seems very reasonable priced from Mountain Models, you can use any motor you want to as long as its not to heavy for the plane, same goes for the Esc and the lipo. with the recommended lite weight of this plane 4.5oz , its a indoor flyer, I dont think it will handle any kind of wind very well. its to lite and big. it will be a kite.
As far as servos I've been using the iS300 servos from HeadsUp RC. They weigh 3.1grams and have worked flawlessly so far on my lighter builds.
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Mountain Models says to use a Micro RX (Berg4L or Spektrum 615e).

I have an older 72 mhz transmitter. What kind of receiver would I need for this Tom-E-Boy plane, and do I need a special micro crystal as well?
Hi The Berg 4L receiver is the best Receiver for 72Mhz IMHO, its made by Castle Creation in the USA, Its all I use on 72mhz, never a glitch or any problems, only use a Castle Creation micro crystal with a berg receiver, also use a small piece of scotch tape to help hold in the micro Crystal, just a little cheap insurance from vibrating out. The wing is only 30" long, no need to make it a 2 piece wing, IMHO the Flying weight is very very Lite, IMHO it wont be a good out doors flyier built at 4.5 oz, it will get tossed all around by the wind with the suggested low power system, its more of a indoor plane, it may not fly very well in any kind of wind. Just my 2 cents worth, It it was mine, i would use HXT 9 gram servos, a 1800KV micro motor, 7x6 apc prop , 25 amp esc and a 1000mah 3 cell lipo to put some weight on it and some better power to handle any kind of wind, but thats just me use the covering that you already have if your going to do outdoor flying. Sometimes you need the extra weight for momentum with a little wind blowing at 5 to 15 mph.

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  • Wingspan: 30.25 in
  • Length: 19.4 in
  • Wing Area: 159 sq in
  • Flying Weight: 4.5 to 5.0 oz
  • Wing Loding: 4.0 to 4.5 oz/sq ft
  • Controls: 3 (Elevator, Rudder, Throttle)
  • Power: D1811-2000 Outrunner
  • Battery: 2S-300 to 2S-360 Rhino or PolyQuest LiPo

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Originally Posted by Stevephoon View Post
Mountain Models makes great kits. I have not tried any of their Micro/Small models, but I do have their Dandy, P-51, EVA with both the Sport and Bipe Wings and the Firestorm. All kits are great.

For all, here is a link to the Tom-E-Boy
http://www.mountainmodels.com/produc...roducts_id=715

The wing span is 30 in or so. Not sure if it could be made as a two piece wing. You could try emailing Brian at Mountain Models directly and ask him. He's a great guy.

I have bought some motors/electronics from Mountain Models and everything I have bought has worked well. I am not a Futaba guy, so I can't comment on finding that brand of stuff. I have bought the SoLite covering from Mountain Models as well, it's under "Covering and Trim" on their web site. But like Mike posted, the Coverite-MicroLite is really the same stuff as far as I can tell.

In general, it is very common to substitute your own electronic stuff into kits. For example, I buy a lot of my electronics from HeadsUpHobby.com You just need to be careful to use parts that are of the same size, weight, capability...

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The Dandy Sport looks like it would be a great way to learn to use spoilers. How could it be built with a two piece wing?
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Here's my Dandy with the Sport Wing. I don't think it would be possible to break the wing into two pieces.




The "Regular" dandy which does not have ailerons does have a large two piece wing, but each half is about the size of the Dandy Sport wing. The Dandy's wings are just attached with rubber bands, so they are easy to take off.

The Mountain Models EVA Sport does have wing halves that come apart. It's a little larger of a plane, but still a nice park flyer. As a suggestion.. On the Mountain Models web site when you are looking at the details of a plane, open up the Manual. (Under the Manual Tab) These are the building instructions. You can get a good feel on the construction of the wings in those.

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Here's my Dandy with the Sport Wing. I don't think it would be possible to break the wing into two pieces.




The "Regular" dandy which does not have ailerons does have a large two piece wing, but each half is about the size of the Dandy Sport wing. The Dandy's wings are just attached with rubber bands, so they are easy to take off.

The Mountain Models EVA Sport does have wing halves that come apart. It's a little larger of a plane, but still a nice park flyer. As a suggestion.. On the Mountain Models web site when you are looking at the details of a plane, open up the Manual. (Under the Manual Tab) These are the building instructions. You can get a good feel on the construction of the wings in those.

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Am thinking to get two of the EVAs, one for me and one for my son to learn on. I have a 7 channel radio, my son has 4 channels. Can the EVA run on 4 channels in some way? The EVA calls for 2 channels for ailerons....here are the specs...

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Default Micro Motor PowerSystem with some power to it

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...cro_Motor.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ontroller.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...Lipo_Pack.html

6x6 prop
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ropellers.html

7x6 prop
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ler_7x6_E.html

Here is my friend Kosh flying his plane with this 1800kv micro motor on 3 cells and a 7x6 prop, you dont have to use WOT but its nice to have the power when needed.

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The Dandy will be a better outdoors flyer with the same power system as posted on post #7

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Originally Posted by skyler View Post
Is the Tom-E-Boy from Mountain Models a fun plane to fly? . . .

The MM website calls for a Power D1811-2000 Outrunner. . . .
FYI, the HURC 180 Plus motor from Heads Up RC appears to be identical. I've had good luck with one, used in two different planes. Price is less also.

Used with a Castle Creations (7A ?)ESC and a HURC 10A ESC.

For what its worth, build the Tom-E-Boy as light as you can. I built a TomBoy, from which your plane is based, direct from the original plans and it came out heavy at 5 1/8 oz before any power or electronics were added. Never took it beyond the build and cover stage. It has a 36" wingspan, however, so it is larger than yours.

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What I found with mountain models is they are all light planes, or at least seem to be, and I prefer building with a little more strength and weight. The light weight I leave to my UMX planes. If you want you could substitute some stringers with spruce or basswood, as well as extra sheeting over wings, parts of fuse, to increase strength, add weight. This also allows you to use heavier covering that may crush thin balsa (I don't like solite) and end up with a stronger covering all together. Weight may mean upping power, but weight usually means a stronger, stiffer frame that handles wind better too.
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Yes, they are all definitely built as lightly as they can be, while not sacrificing strength. They are engineered to be as strong as needed, with a safety factor (in many cases, 15g ultimate for maneuvers and 30g 'landings') That's why they fly better than any ARF out there. I have created my own tables of tensile, compressive strength for various density and grain combinations from a nice 'old fasion' Instron and choose materials accordingly.

Sure, you can change balsa to spruce or plywood, sheet wings, and increase the weight of the motor and batteries to compensate, or do whatever else to add weight, but you sacrifice the flying quality as a result. Also by adding more mass to the plane, you increase the energy that the structure has to absorb in the event of an unexpected arrival.

Personally, I prefer to add weight in useful areas, such as battery size for flying in heavier winds. That said, I regularly fly all our planes in 15 MPH winds (except the DuskStick) in their stock configuration.

Anyway, that's part of my design methodology and I'm sticking with it.
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I can understand that and I like the engineering of MM planes, not trying to attack the designs in any way. One thing that would have greatly benefitted the P51 was a stronger trailing edge on the wing, perhaps spruce. I sanded it down to a nice angle, resulting in solite destroying it. The overall designs are amazing, although certain areas could benefit from stronger wood and would not really increase weight. Perhaps some of this stems from my dislike of solite.
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First off, HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRIAN!

Brian is right. These birds are designed light to fly right. I've built dozens of MM kits and made tons of mods to them. Nothing was ever changed because I thought that an area was weak though. A typical mod I do is to use 1/8" CF tube for the leading edge on the SwitchBack and Dandy wings. The ONLY reason I do that is because I fell into a killer deal for a boatload of 1/8" CF tube for cheap. I also like to add flaps, retracts etc. My original SwitchBack from 2001 is still flight worthy even after the fuse was nearly destroyed back in 2003. I just glued all the shattered pieces back together and she's fine. The wing took some Solite repair and that was all. No wing structural repair. That was my first MM kit and was built bone stock...

I share your dislike for Solite. I hate the stuff and it's many clones out there with a passion. Unfortunately on a kit the size of the Tom-E-Boy trying to drape it with Monokote or some other such heavyweight covering will crush it into balsa dust. It simply wasn't designed to withstand anything more than Solite and that's fine. I knew that going in and I get to use up some of the stuff I had laying around. The colors aren't the best but it was all I had left.

The pretty weather girl keeps saying we are in for 110 degrees again this weekend with wind. Damn! Will this ever end? When it does I'll do the maiden. I don't have any lightweight LED's or I'd toss some on her and fly at about 9:00pm when it's only 100 degrees.

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Piper,

You also need to admit the the mustang was the first plane you had
ever covered. This was discussed in your p-47 thread when
rcers finally got to the root of the problem with your technique.
I've seen you taking cheap shots on the Mountain Models kits
whenever you get a chance and its annoying.
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Not taking cheap shots at all. The plane was very well designed, build went together smoothly. Perhaps I will one day build another MM P51, modding the retract area to take servoless retracts, and altering the build to allow ultracote parklite to work with it. As far as builds, it was the most thorough in instructions, and parts had no errors at all. It is important, however, to note that the designs aren't made for wind, due to weight, and that covering must be taken with extreme care.

Sorry if you think I am attacking MM, it is not my intention at all. My build of the P51 fell apart at the covering, but the kits are top notch nonetheless.
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Hey, it's all good. After you've had a few more Mountain Models kits you'll understand why so many of us are such rabid supporters and are so quick to strike at any disparaging words about the product. I'm sure Brian sits back and just shakes his head sometimes thinking my God, I supply what these nutcases thrive on.

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Hopefully some newer designs are in the future, a warbird maybe. Maybe bigger too
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My Tom-E-Boy sits here 100% ready to fly. Problem is it's just too bleedin' hot to go outside other than to go to work. I didn't leave the house once last weekend because of it. The Solite would have loosened and fallen off the plane and the balsa burst into flames if I tried to fly! At 8:00pm tonight it was still 97 degrees! This coming weekend I'll try to get up right at sunrise and hopefully get the maiden done before it hits triple digits. Then I can post up the build log. The winds seem to have died down lately so I'm hopeful I can get out and make this happen. Then nobody will see me again until October when it starts to cool down again!

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Did you get the maiden flight in this morning? 83 and 3 mph winds at dawn.

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Did you get the maiden flight in this morning? 83 and 3 mph winds at dawn.
Nope. Likely not tomorrow either. My bad back has me laid up again. It has been doing pretty good for quite a while then it all went south Friday morning. I'm spending the entire weekend horizontal.

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