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Old 05-04-2014, 08:25 AM   #1
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Default Another reason I hate Microsoft !

Company computer has Windows 8 ... MS Office 2013.

It has all the transit records of the work ... we have ships and barges all working and I need to have this running all time to keep all inventoried.

Win 8 updates .. all seems fine. Yesterday I shut if off - I do that every few days to just give it a rest and also clear the crap that PC's tend to accumulate when left on.
Started it up few hours later ........ NO YOU HAVE TO BE ******* KIDDING !!

Bloody update destroyed all links to start Office Excel / Word etc. It also corrupted the exe Office files.

So for last 12hrs - it's been chuntering away on mobile broadband trying to do online repair ... with no end in sight.

Luckily I tend to keep back-ups .. I also can actually access the files .. just cannot start the spreadsheets .. so copied all across to my little Acer 0ne ... working fine there ... but the PoS Win 8 machine ?

Having been with Computers since the old days of Commodore's and BBC's etc. - I can honestly say that each version of Windows that comes out is crappier than version it's replacing ... what other software has so many updates and criticals ?

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I've had no issues with windows 8, or 8.1 or 7. Also, look into ssd drives. You'll find that crap doesn't accumulate, at least it doesn't for me. I am using a 6 year old Samsung q430...beats all of these new ultra books and any MacBook I've tried. It was always great, but with ssd, even better, boots in 5 seconds, instant opening of programs, never corrupts anything. Only thing I don't like about windows 8 is how it is made for touch screen. Still functional tho.

Windows does have many updates, largely security risk stuff. Mac doesn't because viruses haven't been going for them yet (it's not because they can't be made for them)
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I've had no issues with windows 8, or 8.1 or 7. Also, look into ssd drives. You'll find that crap doesn't accumulate, at least it doesn't for me. I am using a 6 year old Samsung q430...beats all of these new ultra books and any MacBook I've tried. It was always great, but with ssd, even better, boots in 5 seconds, instant opening of programs, never corrupts anything. Only thing I don't like about windows 8 is how it is made for touch screen. Still functional tho.

Windows does have many updates, largely security risk stuff. Mac doesn't because viruses haven't been going for them yet (it's not because they can't be made for them)
Its actually a false wives tale about Macs and Linux not having Virus .. they do.
Even Android has.

It's just less interesting for the authors to create for them.

The Pc affected is a company supplied Tosh notebook .. so it's not subject what I want.

I've got to like Win XP and 7 .. but 8 is crap .. particularly its video player. I much prefer VLC .. and I hate that Win 8 resists as far as possible any other app. It's great if all you want to do is interact with media .. but naff all use to serious work.
It's start screen is a joke .. it's way of getting to power off is laughable ... everything that was useful and accessible before is now hidden behind stupid keystrokes.

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Its actually a false wives tale about Macs and Linux not having Virus .. they do.
Even Android has.

It's just less interesting for the authors to create for them.

The Pc affected is a company supplied Tosh notebook .. so it's not subject what I want.

I've got to like Win XP and 7 .. but 8 is crap .. particularly its video player. I much prefer VLC .. and I hate that Win 8 resists as far as possible any other app. It's great if all you want to do is interact with media .. but naff all use to serious work.
It's start screen is a joke .. it's way of getting to power off is laughable ... everything that was useful and accessible before is now hidden behind stupid keystrokes.

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Agreed.
Case in point that danged bing crap windows installed on my PC during auto updates. It takes over your search and is near impossible to remove.

I assume you have clicked on the win desktop icon? That is all I use.

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Agreed.
Case in point that danged bing crap windows installed on my PC during auto updates. It takes over your search and is near impossible to remove.

I assume you have clicked on the win desktop icon? That is all I use.
Bing stuff trying to install was under optional updates, so I unchecked it.
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Bing stuff trying to install was under optional updates, so I unchecked it.
Yeah
So did I after getting burned with bing.

For those that haven't been burned yet by that Microsoft bing "Virus" and its associated conduit program just google
"How do I remove bing from my computer?"

The big problem with bing, it is not visable in the program listing for deleting. It's buried in the computer register files, and needs someone much more knowledgeable than I in computers to remove. (I paid $38 to get rid of it)

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Its actually a false wives tale about Macs and Linux not having Virus .. they do.
Even Android has.

It's just less interesting for the authors to create for them.

The Pc affected is a company supplied Tosh notebook .. so it's not subject what I want.

I've got to like Win XP and 7 .. but 8 is crap .. particularly its video player. I much prefer VLC .. and I hate that Win 8 resists as far as possible any other app. It's great if all you want to do is interact with media .. but naff all use to serious work.
It's start screen is a joke .. it's way of getting to power off is laughable ... everything that was useful and accessible before is now hidden behind stupid keystrokes.

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So you can't get vlc installed or can't get it to be the default player? All I used is vlc. Yes, the power is in an odd place. Internet Explorer...yah just go to Chrome.
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So you can't get vlc installed or can't get it to be the default player? All I used is vlc. Yes, the power is in an odd place. Internet Explorer...yah just go to Chrome.
I have vlc on it and use it .. I default to vlc .. then days later it's back to crappy MS's rubbish... actually it's not even MS .. its a 'buy-in' ...

IE - I use as at least it's easy to disable IE's spying .. but Chrome has the biggest complaints board for User spying of them all .. I will not add my browsing to Googles information collection ... It's bad enough Googlle Private is most public airing of crap ever .. without adding to it.

I loved Netscape ... till that got knobbled.

The OS and Work programs are Win 8 and Office 2013 - that's it.

My little netbook with Win 7 and office 2007 is so nice after this pos ...

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I have vlc on it and use it .. I default to vlc .. then days later it's back to crappy MS's rubbish... actually it's not even MS .. its a 'buy-in' ...

IE - I use as at least it's easy to disable IE's spying .. but Chrome has the biggest complaints board for User spying of them all .. I will not add my browsing to Googles information collection ... It's bad enough Googlle Private is most public airing of crap ever .. without adding to it.

I loved Netscape ... till that got knobbled.

The OS and Work programs are Win 8 and Office 2013 - that's it.

My little netbook with Win 7 and office 2007 is so nice after this pos ...

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Hmm that is peculiar why that would happen. You can also go to a section, can't recall what the name of it is, but you can disable native programs completely.
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"what other software has so many updates and criticals?"

Are you referring to OS's or just Windows compatible software.....Linux, Mac, Unix, iOS, Android...?....Currently, Windows 7 and Windows XP still maintain the largest "market" share of all OS's.....and that is in "all" working environments, be it technical, educational, entertainment, production, home or business use.

All OS's have their share of "updates" related to user freindly application, security, speed and bios compatibility........the longer the product is in use and the greater number (popularity) of users or hackers, the more need for refinement.......it's really the nature of the game and all a part of the built-in, intentional economics (for profit or gain) as much as it is for convience and tech advancement!

It also has a lot to do with what one has grown accustomed too, have established as one's core (base) application and ease of (either economically or user compatibility) conversion.

Good or bad, the technology Microsoft, Mac and a few off-shoot Andriod based (which many rolled over from the MS and Mac based technology) will continue to be the leaders in this field......Linux will still have it's "niche" based community due to it's reliability and out-source support.

We can all sit and complain, be frustrated and wish there were other alternatives.....but the reality is, until the physical aspects of the technology advances in such a way that speed, storage (external/internal), power consumption, mobility functionality....bottoms out (which time is running out of as we speak) we are stuck with what can "now" be economically and physically produced.

Needless to say, we also pay the price for "intellectual property" limitations as well. There are only so many minds available to own or share such advancements.......and as we speak, Microsoft, Mac and Android are the only "hot-beds" where the advancements we all desire, live.......(to include the MIT's of the world.....the three above provide the majority of the funding used to "educate and stimulate" those fresh and new "intellectual properties").....

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One problem that I noticed during the evolution of the -86 family of PCs .. and then into Windoze ...

The Software / OS's were pushing the Processors more and more such that it wasn't really the Processor .. THEN .. the OS / Software. It was more the OTHER way round.

Software was pushing the processor such that it HAD to develop faster / better to handle the SW at the speeds the SW supposedly was capable of.

Anyone remember DOS4G ... the DOS 'box' that many games ran in to get round the limitation imposed by the 640 barrier and calling on EXP and EXT memory ?

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One problem that I noticed during the evolution of the -86 family of PCs .. and then into Windoze ...

The Software / OS's were pushing the Processors more and more such that it wasn't really the Processor .. THEN .. the OS / Software. It was more the OTHER way round.

Software was pushing the processor such that it HAD to develop faster / better to handle the SW at the speeds the SW supposedly was capable of.

Anyone remember DOS4G ... the DOS 'box' that many games ran in to get round the limitation imposed by the 640 barrier and calling on EXP and EXT memory ?

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What, specifically are you referring to....I was trained in MS DOS 3.2 in 1986.....(MS 4.0 was not available here in the U.S. and was not introduced until 1986, mostly a Euro platform which did not intergrate as a multi-task tool until MS 5.0 came about)..... as the required application process for the Wang VS 300, land surveying, hydrology programs.....COBOL, BASIC ......math platforms.

Eventually we moved up to the MS 5.0 that utilized the 3.5" floppy 2.88mb.....wasn't but two more years later before we gave up on Wang and converted over to PC Survey and HEC systems.....Microsoft based OS's.

Ya, PC games played with the 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 platforms but the 640kb limitations caused the majority of the problems......even the 2.88mb advancement was short lived with games.....games required tons of storage and re-call properties......you can thank "games" for the advancement in the technology......that's where the bulk of the money was being made to support additional tech advancements.....lol

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I worked through MS DOS 3 ... up and through 6.2 ... Windows 2 ... 3 .. 3.1 WFWG ... then Win 95 .. through the various versions of 97 and 98.. hated 2000 / NT .... Millenium was a joke ... but at last when XP came along - it was a breath of fresh air ... it worked reasonably well once a few updates had been done.

I have a server in my house ... it was set up in my office originally to serve as an archive - file server for Yachting Forum I helped start. The It co. who set it up asked what OS I wanted on it .. I chose Win 98 (original Vers 1 - not SE) .. that server stayed on continuous without any trouble .. no lock-ups ... no stupid typical Windows hangs ... and today it still works as good as the first day it was switched on years ago. I've since disconnected it .. but will probably restart it some time. Only problem was no USB and large HDD support with Win98, that came with 98SE. But MS decided that a lot of peripheral gear like scanners etc. that worked with 98 would not work with 98SE and no updates or patches were ever created.

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The one thing that irks me most about MS is Internet Explorer. It sucks. I've switched to Chrome. Much better.

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yup win blows is garbage ..LINUX is the way to go. and ya there r things that can get linux machines but you have to let them in. they cant just get in with out your say so.
micro crap is just that crap. but its the only thing most people know.
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I've learned to wait a day before letting it install updates. I figure if there are any issues with the updates, some other poor victim reported it and they've fixed it by then.
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I personally haven't used windows for anything other than gaming since XP.
I use Linux for everything else and will run applications that require windows either through wine or an emulator.
The idea that windows is less secure than Linux or Mac is a myth however.
In all practical terms windows is actually much more secure. The problem is that most PC's run windows. So if you want the biggest return on your vulnerability exploits you aim for the biggest piece of the pie.
To put it simply, imagine two cars parked side by side in a parking lot. One car has simple locked doors and nothing of value visible through the windows.
The other has a myriad of security systems but a million dollars on the front seat.
The car with the money will continually get broken in to or have someone trying to figure out how.
The car without the money will statistically be more secure while in reality it is just less of a target. The car with the money is Windows.

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Honestly what I like about 8 is the background antivirus, which actually seems to works, so bitdefender, kasperskys, etc, isn't needed. There was windows defender before, but it had improved. It takes awhile to get used to 8, and some programs like IE are garbage, but it is a quick os. I can use Linux too, have installed it many times, but the one issue is that i like some games, and Linux cannot install a good chunk of them. Some do install through wine, but not too many. As for Mac...I don't see the point...1500 or more for a comp that doesn't have dedicated graphics (other than the highest end one), is slower than my 6 year old comp, and is running a completely restricted Linux.
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Hi Nigel You Can go back on your computer and restore it to a day or 2 before you had the problems. Hope that helps, Chellie

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Hi Nigel You Can go back on your computer and restore it to a day or 2 before you had the problems. Hope that helps, Chellie

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zxue/archive...ore-point.aspx
I know .. but the restore failed ... I tried several different as well .. every restore point before the last update failed.

I've now after 36hrs got a working machine again ... Restore point made ..

MS - you need something shoved up where the sun don't shine !

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I know .. but the restore failed ... I tried several different as well .. every restore point before the last update failed.

I've now after 36hrs got a working machine again ... Restore point made ..

MS - you need something shoved up where the sun don't shine !

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Naw, MS is deaf.

Don't think so? Just google "How do I remove Bing from my Computer". With the countless complaints on this, there is ZERO response from Microsoft. That Bing program got into my PC with one of MS automatic updates. You can't remove it, the Bing program and its associated conduit program are not listed in the programs for un-install on your computer.

I also tried that system restore. Didn't work. Because I've got the funny feeling that MS made certain that their Bing Virus bypassed the system restore stuff.

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Naw, MS is deaf.

Don't think so? Just google "How do I remove Bing from my Computer". With the countless complaints on this, there is ZERO response from Microsoft. That Bing program got into my PC with one of MS automatic updates. You can't remove it, the Bing program and its associated conduit program are not listed in the programs for un-install on your computer.

I also tried that system restore. Didn't work. Because I've got the funny feeling that MS made certain that their Bing Virus bypassed the system restore stuff.
Bing would be bypassed. System restore works for drivers and software, but not native programs typically, meaning anything that is part of the os is skipped. Things like bing are now part of it, explaining why bing is not in programs. It is best that one goes to explorer and clicks on view on the top left, selecting hidden items. This gives access to various places like program data, which may store some unwanted things. The same with appdata in users. As for conduit and bing, I removed it from my dads comp...was a while back. Most things like that are stores in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE when you go into regedit. I believe conduit was within the Microsoft offshoot of that section. It's fairly easy to find most things in regedit, as most things are named by typical names (conduit isn't called abxotp-1111 or something, but conduit).
When going through look for the c's. If nothing, branch into the Microsoft section and look for the c's. Conduit will be in there. Now there are other more serious programs that imbed themselves into the system, of which don't have simply names usually. In program data you can find where viruses store themselves and run through the system.
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Bing would be bypassed. System restore works for drivers and software, but not native programs typically, meaning anything that is part of the os is skipped. Things like bing are now part of it, explaining why bing is not in programs. It is best that one goes to explorer and clicks on view on the top left, selecting hidden items. This gives access to various places like program data, which may store some unwanted things. The same with appdata in users. As for conduit and bing, I removed it from my dads comp...was a while back. Most things like that are stores in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE when you go into regedit. I believe conduit was within the Microsoft offshoot of that section. It's fairly easy to find most things in regedit, as most things are named by typical names (conduit isn't called abxotp-1111 or something, but conduit).
When going through look for the c's. If nothing, branch into the Microsoft section and look for the c's. Conduit will be in there. Now there are other more serious programs that imbed themselves into the system, of which don't have simply names usually. In program data you can find where viruses store themselves and run through the system.
That's interesting, I learned something new today.

Thank you.

What was really interesting on my PC and that Bing program, there were near a hundred strange JPG photo files spread all over the hard drive, mostly in where I save my digital photos. I didn't put them there, and clicking on any one of them sent the PC directly to that bing program. After a search to find them all, and delete them, and delete them from the trash bin, they'd return several days later. It took that expert to get rid of bing and that conduit program.

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I got away from Windows, its to much of a PITA, I am now using Ubuntu. Ubuntu is not perfect, but its a lot better than the PITA Windows IMHO

http://www.ubuntu.com/

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I got away from Windows, its to much of a PITA, I am now using Ubuntu. Ubuntu is not perfect, but its a lot better than the PITA Windows IMHO

http://www.ubuntu.com/
I've used all types of linux, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, and so on, even the slower, but flashier KDE styles. Like many operating systems, they add stuff that slows it down, like the cloud bar thing, or whatever it is.
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