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Old 05-16-2012, 08:03 PM   #26
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I live in Olympia, WA where the sound is so calm, and the space so wide open, that "NOT" flying there is difficult. I've resisted so far, but had I known of my Seawind's unfortunate winter demise, I'd have tested her out there while eating @ Anthony's Hearthfire Grill!

I'm going to be searching for this corrosionX stuff to soak my Icon A5 in, because I don't know if I can resist flying from there too much longer...
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Hey jim sorry if this has already been asked but, I have a HZ Super Cub with floats and it is looking at me asking to take her out to the water. Do I need corrosionx on foam? Just unsure thanks in advance

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Jim,

I second Fish's question. We're having an AMA sanctioned float fly on June 3rd at the lake adjacent to our field. I''m bringing the HZ SC with floats and my scratchbuilt Convair Sea Dart. Not salt water, but is there a water repellent I can apply or should I wrap the electrics in plastic wrap?

I have zero experience at float flying so this will be a new adventure for me.

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I missed the June 3 deadline. Sorry.
most components will live if they get wet IN FRESH WATER and are carefully dried. But not the ESC. I nosed my plane over and IMMEDIATELY shut off power. Took the ESC home, removed the shrink wrap and heat sink, and let 'er dry out for a week. I plugged it in and got a loud POP and a blue-green flash. And a dent in my credit card.
Soak the ESC in CorrosionX. then do the receiver and all the connectors if you want to be careful. Servos:you can seal the cases and the shaft exit with dielectric grease, which is more effective then opening them up. If you DO open them up, Do the PC boards, but only the motor bearings with a tiny drop and stay away from the potentiometer.

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Default My Icon A5 experience on Saltwater

I have about 20 flights flying off the ocean, but the last flight was a serious crash, due to aileron servo failure, due to salt water corrosion. View 2 flights here:

http://youtu.be/oHILaF2d8v4
http://youtu.be/dvVBboxYCNg

My plane is now repaired, I just need a canopy, because the original rests on the ocean floor along with its companion, a 2650mah lipo battery. Otherwise, all the floaty bits eventually returned to shore for retrieval and repair.

Viewing all the posts here, I see that some are committed to beating corrosion, and given that I live across from the beach access, with wide-open flying spaces 2 minutes from my front door, I am one of those.

Here is my plan: all male/female servo connectors will be sprayed with WD40, then wrapped in electrical tape, then sealed on each end with hot glue.

ESC goes inside a plastic bag, with one of those little gel-pack thingies, zap strapped closed with hot glue sealing each end closed.

Wing servo arms will emerge through a slitted rubber inner tube section glued to the wing undersides.

Receiver will be sprayed generously with WD40, perhaps enclosed in a bag as well. Each flight will end with a fresh water rinse.

Did I miss anything?

I'll keep updating this post...


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Sure is some pretty scenery ! There's also a product called corrosionx you can get at Lowes or Home Depot. Great water repellent.

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Back in 1970's - I had a Sopwith Swallow plane ... flew it a few times .. and then one day was invited to a large park to fly with some friends ... near Portsmouth Harbour (UK). Took off ... fine ... but then she started to be sluggish ... so I put her into a gentle turn to bring her back for landing to see what was wrong. All was good on ground checks.
That turn developed into a lost control stall into the harbour.
A yachtsman who saw it go in ... rowed across with the model after he picked her out of the water. Thanking him - I quickly got the Rx out and rushed into the park loo's to wash the Rx under the FW tap ...

All appeared OK ... no shorts or outward signs.

Next day - I took the Rx, Servos and Tx to JR main service in Slough, and asked them to check it all over. Tx was A1OK ... but Rx was totally shot from SW corrosion and could not be saved. The servos were ballast as well.
The manager kindly offered me a discounted Rx and bag of servos which was greatly appreciated ...

End result : One large Sopwith model completely ruined - SW and balsa do not mix well. Salt kept leeching out whenever I tried repairs .. preventing glue and covering from adhering.
One Rx shot along with five 501 servos, Switch harness, Rx battery pack.

I managed to save the engine but it always needed cleaning and stripping down every so often after this.

So - if you want to fly SW - make sure all gear is sealed up against any SALT ingress ... FW is no problem as long as clean FW .. but SW is death !!

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Nigel, great story, but the question is, why did it get sluggish? And secondly, just to clear things up, were you flying a seaplane, or a landplane over the sea?

I hate to nitpick, but I imagine there is little resemblance between a servo, RX, TX, of 70's vintage compared to a modern digital setup...

My plastic receiver survived its dunking, and it soaked in seawater for an hour as I waited for the wing to float to shore.

Two servos succumbed though, along with the ESC.

There is a world of difference between our two planes and stories. Yours a vintage scale model made of wood and cloth, mine a modern amphibious foamie. Yours flew once over the ocean and crashed, mine made 20 flights exclusively over salt water, and ultimately crashed.

Cause of your crash: unknown
Cause of my crash: saltwater corrosion due to numerous splashy take offs and landings.

I do believe with my new plan, I will be able to achieve at least another 20 flights over the ocean. Then it will have been worth it!

I'll have to log them
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Nigel, great story, but the question is, why did it get sluggish?
All we can assume is that aileron servo (single to torque rods) which showed a bit slow when ground checking .. but cleared after a few stick full left / right may have been cause. She was sluggish in turns and I was using more rudder than normal.

And secondly, just to clear things up, were you flying a seaplane, or a landplane over the sea?
Landplane - but she was not supposed to be over the water - that was a result of the sluggish control.

[/quote]I hate to nitpick, but I imagine there is little resemblance between a servo, RX, TX, of 70's vintage compared to a modern digital setup...[/quote]

Actually apart from them being smaller and difference frequency ... why ? SW is SW .. it's death to electronics ... I also have yachts and its a constant battle with it.

My plastic receiver survived its dunking, and it soaked in seawater for an hour as I waited for the wing to float to shore.

Two servos succumbed though, along with the ESC.
How long before Rx gave out as well ? The first few secs are vital to get it washed out with FW ... any longer and corrosion has already started ... you may have days ... you may have months - but it will fail.

There is a world of difference between our two planes and stories. Yours a vintage scale model made of wood and cloth, mine a modern amphibious foamie. Yours flew once over the ocean and crashed, mine made 20 flights exclusively over salt water, and ultimately crashed.

Cause of your crash: unknown
Cause of my crash: saltwater corrosion due to numerous splashy take offs and landings.
So actually we are similar - you suffered SW damage .. whether it's immediate or later ...

Wood and cloth ? Little bit more than that actually ...

I do believe with my new plan, I will be able to achieve at least another 20 flights over the ocean. Then it will have been worth it!

I'll have to log them
I was one of the Marshalls at the Commemorative Schneider Trophy Event back in 1980's at Calshott Spit, UK ... we had over a hundred model Seaplanes and also 1/2, 2/3rd sized man carrying replicas.
All the models were "wood and cloth" as you put it ..

Schneider Trophy with REAL Supermarine behind it ...



Replica Supermarine giving a display ...



What I'm saying is - I am fully aware of waterborne use and how to seal up a model etc. My post was to illustrate to those contemplating SW seaplane - to be careful about where that water gets ...

I live on a wide river and I have floats etc. ready for my Cessna ... one day they will be fitted.

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Has anybody tried NeverWet? http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleu...6#.Upik_3nIDGY

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Looks messy. Also, it says "not intended for electronics"
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OK, I'll bite... if not wood and cloth, then wood and ???

Silkspan maybe?
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Also see:

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Bill,

Thanks for posting. What an outstanding product ! I don't see why it would not work with electronic stuff, the main one being the esc. Wonder what the effect might be in spraying it on the bottom of floats ?
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OK, I'll bite... if not wood and cloth, then wood and ???

Silkspan maybe?
Never heard of SOLARFILM, MONOKOTE, ECONOKOTE, and many other films in that style

SOLARTEX and various other TEX shrink materials ?

None above are cloth ....

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There are many threads regarding protection of electronics for seaplanes on the Dybam discussion board at RCgroups.com. There are mods that help to reduce water or moisture from entry of that Dynam Catalina. One of the biggest problems is that the water splashes upward and the stock spray rails do not effectively keep it out when the props are spinning from the motors turning. The ESCs and electric components are all at risk, so several mods have been developed on this particular model to combat such. Making new spray rails/splash rails for the fuselage is almost a given. Like skinning a cat, there are several different ways to accomplish this task and none seem to be any better than the other. Wrapping the ESC's into a party balloon and pre-treating them with Corrosion X is perhaps one of the best mods to make in prevention of rust and corrosion from moisture. Sealing the ends of the ballons with silicon (GE II) helps to keep the moisture from entry to the ESC's and I have never heard of anyome who made this mod have problems with overheating. I have additionally cut out the inserts between the heads that are on the nacelles front covers to allow more air into the motor area. Painting everything with Corrosion X does not hamper any electrical charge to wiring or to pins, so it is easy to apply and does a really good job. I have yet to have seen anyone at the discussion board complain over ruination of their Dynam seaplane PBY Catalina electronics from salt water. Maybe no one wants to admit to it though, but I have not seen any complaints over such in all the threads that are there or even on the RCDiscuss.com site from NitroPlanes.

Me, I won't be doing any salt water flights here in my part of Texas, but I have dunked my Super Cub a few times in ponds and with the Corrosion X, have yet to ruin a battery or any electronics. Look at the thread showing seaplanes at this site and you will see photos of my SC headed out the pond right side up and floating back later with the cockpit pointed down. No problem other than ruining a $15.00 key chain camera attached to the top of the wing. The plane powered up and was off right after it floated right back to me.

The 5% you mention who fly over salt water may be silly to do so, but I just have not seen them whining over ruined electronics in any of the sites regarding the Dynam seaplane, so far. To follow the logic of the 5%'ers here, you would think that they would be most vocal on the topic. Even on YouTube, I have not caught any videos over someone having problems with corrosion to an RC seaplane from flying over salt water. Maybe it is not as big an issue as one would think, after all...

Any rate, I am not in any manner a shill for Corrosion X, but from personal experience, I do believe it works very well in the reduction of most moisture, rust and corrosion. Thoroughly letting the insides of the fuselage dry out after any dunk into water is also essential. Be interesting to see and hear in this thread from those with personal salt water experience though.

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I was Steward at Commemorative Model Show incl. full size replica's AND Concorde overflight - Schneider Cup Celebrations Anniversary ...

UK is surrounded by serious Sea (Salt) Water of over 1.025 density ... believe me when I say demise of electronics is near instant ... I know - I lost an airborn setup of JR ... no amount of Fresh Water and Spirit could save any of it.

But the guys at the Schneider do flew both days ... and the models were regulars at other water events .... but prepared properly for the job. They suffered no ill effects.

Here's the Schneider Trophy displayed that day inside Calshott Hangar (where the Flying Boats and Schneider was run from) ...



Note the S6 sitting behind ...

Here's a 3/4 size replica giving a display ..



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Yes, a dunk in salt water can ruin things in a hurry. I saw this in person when stationed on Midway Island and our HU16D took a dip in the ocean and remained there overnight in maybe 20 feet of water. Still, when they pulled her out the next day, the magnesium parts and gauges all looked like they had melted and the tail pylon actually dropped off as the tow tug pulled her back to the hangar. Salt water does damage like that for sure. That was complete immersion though.

It is not likely any different for small RC planes, but as you say, protection and prep is the way to go. Corrosion X is just one product that helps in that regard. I believe it is calle Bowshield or such, which is another product that is similar and those who work in the dock areas are pretty familiar with such products. Boats would likely be where many RC operators could easily cite the necessary prep and some great products to use for making it all work as best as one could for addressing the problems with water and salt water corrosion or such.

It is a good topic for those who are willing to fly in such conditions. Me, I am glad I am not such, as our local water area is mainly consisting of dried up ponds in this rought we are currently in. I am laughing a bit, as having flown in a UH16D Albatross in my tour at Midway Island, I thought the term "seaplane" itself implied sea, as in salt water, to begin with. Ironically funny that we are discussing how bad it is to fly in such, now. :-)

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