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Old 05-22-2012, 01:28 AM   #101
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Default No More Retracts

I have now finally stripped a retract. Instead of the wheel only facing foreward it now can spin when pushed. It does not have a small set screw to hold it. Something stipped on the inside. I may try glueing it back together at some point, but for now I installed the fixed gear. I also covered the wheel wells and moved up to a 2 1/2 in Dubro wheel from the stock 2 in wheel. This was the quicker fix when a little CA did not hold up. I assume that the extra weight of the 4 cell battery helped do them in.

The good news is that I do not really notice any performance differences and the whistling at high speeds is gone. The ground handling is a little better on the grass as well. I'll probably keep this setup at least for the summer. I may try some real Great Planes 10 sized retracts that the plane was designed for later as well.

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ps.. I still love this plane. I have started a NSRCA pattern program at my club so we can start to learn pattern flying!


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Old 08-19-2012, 04:46 AM   #102
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Unhappy Good Days and Bad Days

The good news is that I won a prize at an all electric event at a nearby club. The bad news is that the prize was for whoever put their plane in a tree first....

It was the first flight at a new field for me. An anouncement came that a special demo fly was going to start so all planes should land. I started my approach and badly misjudged the tree line... I found it in some deep thick woods in a tree about 30-40 feet up. The tail was already off. I climbed up as far as I could go and then shook the branch. I then also grabbed an old dead branch and wacked the branch with my plane and down she came....

The good news is it's out. I have not really even looked closely at it, other than making sure all of the electronics are still there.. I'm afraid to.

I can't say how bummed I am.... This was my favorite plane.

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ps. I hit a deer with my car yesterday... It's in the shop. I'm now dreading tomorrow.


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Old 08-19-2012, 11:31 AM   #103
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Sorry to hear about your FS, Steve. I hope it isn't as bad as it sounds. I know you'll be able to build another one, if necessary, and that it will fly even better for you than this one did.

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Sorry to hear about your Firestorm. Mine is still hanging in there, maybe because I have not been able to get it out as ofter as I would like

Hope you kept the gremlins off your back today
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Regret to inform you that you started a trend.
Put my Firestorm up for the first flight of the evening. Had been flying it about two or three minutes when I put it into a high easy loop. Went up into the loop very nicely and started back down and would not pull out of the dive.
Went into the ground from a couple hundred feet up, had time to pull the throttle off before it hit but not able to try anything else to get it slowed down. Airframe is a total loss as is the battery and probably the motor but will check out the motor. Hopefully the ESC, UBEC and servos will live to fly again
Exam afterward showed that the control horn had pulled out of the socket in the elevator. That failure seems odd after flying this bird for for about two and a half years and this was not what I would have thought was a high stress maneuver, but it was cleanly out of the socket ( not broken off) and this would be consistent with the aircraft behavior. No way to know at this point if it had come out enough that I should have seen it on preflight. Surfaces moved normally and it flew fine ( up until it crashed duh) but I did not specifically check the insertion of the horn into the control surface before I took off.

Guess I will spent some time rechecking all those other control horns I have epoxied in.

May have to consider a repeat build of this one.
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Default It's Alive!!!

Well, the past couple of weeks I've been working on repairing my Firestorm. I started with the tail first. It was a pretty clean break at the former right at the start of the tail except for the bottom side. It was pretty broken up... I sliced into the former on both sides and the bottom to insert some 1/16 ply splicing pieces. I should have taken some pictures of this, but I forgot.. Anyway, some 5 minute epoxy on the tail and splices and aligned it the best I could. I did not come out too bad, but it's not perfectly straight. I also added another piece of 1/16 ply to cover the complete bottom because that area was so damaged.

The wing was going to be more of an issue. About 1/4 of the wing was gone and the plans only show the wing from the top. What do the ribs and spars really look like? Then, an AhhHaa moment. The instructions are available on the Mountain Models web site and they include pictures of the cut wood. The plans show the part names... Sweet. Then one more thought. I have the PDF-X-Change viewer program which allows you to resize and tile pdf files for printing. I figured out that enlarging the pictures of the balsa parts in the instructions by 425% gave me almost exactly the correct size. So now I had the templates for my missing 1/4 wing and the aileron! See the first 4 pictures!

I used thin C/A for building up the new wing and used Titebond for gluing to the existing wing. I also used splicing pieces on each side of the main spar and leading edge. The training edge used 3. Using Titebond allowed me time to keep checking the alignment. Again, it's close but not perfect.

I had just enough Orange covering left over from the initial build to cover the repairs. I have not tried to balance it yet. Hopefully I'm not too tail heavy now. I can't wait to try it, but the 8 inches of snow on the ground needs to melt first. I really missed flying this plane at the end of last year. I'm glad I fixed it!

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Great thread, I learned a lot. Very nice rebuild too.
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Well, I think I'm ready. I've got the throws set per the instruction manual. 3/4 in up and down on ailerons and elevator, 2 in both ways on the rudder for high rates. 1/2 in and 1.5 for low. I've also programmed some flapperons in just in case I need to slow down more when landing.

AUW with a 2200mAh battery is 36.9 oz.

I'm planning for the final checkout and maiden tomorrow. Conditions should be perfect, but hot. Wish me luck!




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This is a really cool covering job... How did you do the checkerboard?
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Old 01-31-2014, 11:01 PM   #109
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This is a really cool covering job... How did you do the checkerboard?
I cut out squares from SolarTrim. Made a paper template and marked little dots where the corners needed to be...

See this post for more details...

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...8&postcount=64

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Default Firestorm Number 2

Did you ever have big OHHH SHOOT... I had one last Oct/Nov (I don't remember the exact date anymore.) I was cleaning up my work room in the basement, moving planes and stuff and getting things buttoned up for the end of the season. I store some wings and stuff up in the rafters, so I was standing on a stool, reaching up and BAMM, the stool scooted out from under me and down I came. I ended up sitting on my Firestorm. Wings and the rear 1/2 of the fuselage and tail feathers were crushed. I actually think the stool went thru it first, but I can't say that for sure. But anyway, it was a goner.

I absolutely love this plane... So during the after Thanksgiving sale I bought number 2. Now it is 95% complete and I just took some beauty shots. This one has some small HobbyKing retracts in it.

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...dProduct=42706

These pretty much just drop in. Just some very minor bumps are needed to cut out. I have no idea if they will last very long. But the good thing is that the original fixed gear can still fit and the GreatPlanes mechanical retracts that were recommended can still fit.

I have not built the canopy (and the bonus cockpit) that came with the kit yet and the cowl in the pictures is from the original plane. So there is more to do...

Now I'm looking foreword to warmer flying weather!

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Looks great as before. I keep thinking about getting a second one and building it as well, it was a great airplane. Maybe one will come home with me from Toledo in a couple weeks.
I noticed on the video of your retracts you were using a 3S battery. I thought I recalled on your first build you had gone to 4S. Am i recalling that by mistake or did you decide to go back to 3S for this one?
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The video was shot before I had made my mind up. My normal "electronics test" battery is a small 3S 800 mAh battery. But I needed some stuff from Heads Up so I added this motor in.
http://headsuphobby.com/Firepower-15...otor-H-375.htm

It's the same motor but at a higher KV so I can use 3S batteries. That's what I'm planning to start with.

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Looks great. So they don't give you the landing gear wire with the retract? I've never had retracts yet.
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Looks great. So they don't give you the landing gear wire with the retract? I've never had retracts yet.
Correct, these retracts do not include the wire. They need 3 mm wire as designed. That has been hard for me to find. I grabbed some K&R brass 3mm wire from Tower, but I have also noticed recently that the replacement wire for the E-Flite 10-15 electric retracts is also 3mm. That would be an easier way to go. The wire I have is a little too bendable, so, if needed, I may try drilling out the retract so 1/8 in wire can be used. There are lots of options for 1/8 in wire around including lightweight aluminum wire.

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You going to get that on video flying? There's none on youtube.
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You going to get that on video flying? There's none on youtube.
I don't have much for getting good videos, but I'll try!

Worked on the cockpit, and it came out all right. Not perfect, but passable and pretty good for me. The only real issue is getting the canopy attached. I just used covering and it's not quite down tight in the front.... I may redo it.

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I don't have much for getting good videos, but I'll try!

Worked on the cockpit, and it came out all right. Not perfect, but passable and pretty good for me. The only real issue is getting the canopy attached. I just used covering and it's not quite down tight in the front.... I may redo it.

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I use to use RC56 glue for canopys but nowi use locktite stick +seal. You put a small amount on each side and let it dry kinda for a little while like contact cement and once you stick it down its done and you dont have glue running all over the place or have to tape it down to dry. joe
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I use to use RC56 glue for canopys but nowi use locktite stick +seal. You put a small amount on each side and let it dry kinda for a little while like contact cement and once you stick it down its done and you dont have glue running all over the place or have to tape it down to dry. joe

Joe, I do like the idea of switching to a glue. Which Stik-n-Seal are you using? It seems like there are three versions.

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/conta...ik-'n-seal


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Joe, I do like the idea of switching to a glue. Which Stik-n-Seal are you using? It seems like there are three versions.

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/conta...ik-'n-seal


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Iam pretty sure its the extream one with stik-n-seal right over the top in that link you sent . Mine says stik-n-seal ultra on it with universal adhesive under that on the tube. joe


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She flies great! I got a chance to take her out today and flew 6 nice flights! All with light 2200 mAh 3S packs. The new motor is hot! I think it's as quick as the old motor on 4S batteries. But with the smallish packs I was only getting about 5 min of rather spirited flying before running out of juice. (Ending up with about 20% left in the pack). I just needed a couple of clicks of down and right aileron and she flew great.

The retracts worked fine, except the wire is too bendable. Even after nice landings on our soft field, the wire would sometimes bend just enough to not retract again without bending it back. I needed to bend them back on about every other landing. I guess some 1/8th music wire will be tried at some point.

I will get some video shot at some point this summer. This plane is just a ball to fly.

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And Joe... I did end up just using a couple of drops of epoxy at the front of the canopy to hold it down. I had it and it's under the covering anyway.


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She flies great! I got a chance to take her out today and flew 6 nice flights! All with light 2200 mAh 3S packs. The new motor is hot! I think it's as quick as the old motor on 4S batteries. But with the smallish packs I was only getting about 5 min of rather spirited flying before running out of juice. (Ending up with about 20% left in the pack). I just needed a couple of clicks of down and right aileron and she flew great.

The retracts worked fine, except the wire is too bendable. Even after nice landings on our soft field, the wire would sometimes bend just enough to not retract again without bending it back. I needed to bend them back on about every other landing. I guess some 1/8th music wire will be tried at some point.

I will get some video shot at some point this summer. This plane is just a ball to fly.

Steve

And Joe... I did end up just using a couple of drops of epoxy at the front of the canopy to hold it down. I had it and it's under the covering anyway.
Turned out great Steve ! Congrats on the maiden also. I could not find my tube of stick n seal the other day and just used a hot glue gun to get another windscreen on . joe
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An update I forgot to post here... New plane and retracts update and specs.

This is still the plane I fly the most. It has the widest flight envelope (can do more things) at many different speeds. If there are slimers at the field zooming around, no problem, I can join them. Is there a 3D flyer going crazy, I can slow down and pattern around... Is no one around, then I can practice pattern maneuvers at any speed... And it always lands slow and easy.....

My equipment:
Motor Firepower 35-42 Speed from HeadsUp RC
ESC Sky Power 45 Amp with 6 Amp Switch mode BEC from HeadsUp RC
Retracts: Small Hobby King Units.

On 3S batteries and a 8x6 APC, about 420 watts of fun!

A quick update on the small Hobby King retracts I'm using on mine....

I could never find 3mm wire stiff enough anywhere around me, so I ordered this E-flite wire set:
http://www.tamjets.com/OSCnew/produc...c388a0f06fe456

This has been working really well on the grass club field I fly on. So now that I have wire that's good, everything has been working great.

There has always been some "play" in the trunions themselves, but it does not seem to be getting worse. the wheel can rock front to rear a good 1/4 in or so.

So, are these high quality units, no, but they work and are very cheap. So far, so good.





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Well I attempted some "hat-cam" video of my Firestorm. After 4 flights, this is all of the footage that has the Firestorm in it... It's not very good, but it should give you the idea on how slow it can fly while landing.... It's all flown slow and at low rates. Every time I speed up and move away you can't really see the plane any more. It's a blast to fly fast, but that makes for very bad hat cam video.

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