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Old 02-19-2013, 04:00 AM   #8226
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Hey SmoothCruiser,

This may or not help you with your Nano, but it helped me with my new mCPX BL. I noticed similar issues with my mCPX BL that you described about your Nano. It hovered fine, but when I would transition into forward flight it got squirrelly on me. Then I got brave and tried a pirouette. I lost total control and I almost went into our big screen TV. I just barely recovered and scared the crap out of myself. The heli would have been fine, but the TV would not of fared so well if I had hit it. All I can say is WOW I landed it and decided to do some troubleshooting. I noticed that my swashplate was not level. I made some adjustments to the pitch links and got it as level as I could. I did a test flight and it made a big difference. It hovers better(almost hands off) and transitioning into forward flight is smooth and flawless. I didn't have the courage to try another pirouette inside, but I think it would have been smoother after my adjustments if I had tried. Happy flying everybody
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:17 PM   #8227
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I am wondering if the factory preset swashplate might need adjusting later. I have considered the microheli swashplate tool they sell. I pulled off 3 piros that were clean and once hands off hover for kicks my last flight. I never hit the trims again since I got it programmed. I plan on finding a true level spot with a green bubble level then calibrate my cell phone accordingly . I have a level program too and I will set my micro on it then fly to reset the trim. Might be fun lol
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:41 PM   #8228
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Wanted to share some interesting sight stuff. I drove by Newark Intl in NJ couple weeks ago. If you get a chance you fellows go watch the jets take off in heavy crosswinds. You can see the pilots wrestle the planes after the wheels break free. Right to left crosswind is more agony for a pilot is tough . The plane will weathervane drastic . I'm talking about steady near 40 mph winds with gusts
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I am wondering if the factory preset swashplate might need adjusting later. I have considered the microheli swashplate tool they sell. I pulled off 3 piros that were clean and once hands off hover for kicks my last flight. I never hit the trims again since I got it programmed. I plan on finding a true level spot with a green bubble level then calibrate my cell phone accordingly . I have a level program too and I will set my micro on it then fly to reset the trim. Might be fun lol
Issues when transitioning to forward flight indicates improper mechanical and/or electronic setup. Swash should be level at midstick (mechanical) and at full positive and full negative pitch (electronic). That should eleminate the problem.

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[QUOTE=newjak;901252]Issues when transitioning to forward flight indicates improper mechanical and/or electronic setup. Swash should be level at midstick (mechanical) and at full positive and full negative pitch (electronic). That should eleminate the problem.[/QUOTE

I have not touched any thing physically on my Nano CP
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:51 PM   #8231
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I am wondering if the factory preset swashplate might need adjusting later. I have considered the microheli swashplate tool they sell. I pulled off 3 piros that were clean and once hands off hover for kicks my last flight. I never hit the trims again since I got it programmed. I plan on finding a true level spot with a green bubble level then calibrate my cell phone accordingly . I have a level program too and I will set my micro on it then fly to reset the trim. Might be fun lol

Cool I have read that with these micros with the flybarless technology as long as the swashplate is level you shouldn't have to use your trims. It seems to be true too, since I don't use any trim after I have leveled the swashplate on my 130X, mCPX, and mCPX BL. I have also seen some vids on you tube of a guy using that microheli swashplate leveling tool and it seems to work well. I think I will get one, since it will be a whole lot easier to use that tool instead of trying to eyeball it
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:28 AM   #8232
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I wanted to try some MicroHeli blades last month but Amazon refunded my money with the store that said they were in stock.

You got my # Beyondblue... I could demo my Nano CP anytime on weekends. You could fly it too ... My Dual Rates in Normal mode is a whopping 35% Ail/Elev with 50 Expo... lol
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Cool I have read that with these micros with the flybarless technology as long as the swashplate is level you shouldn't have to use your trims. It seems to be true too, since I don't use any trim after I have leveled the swashplate on my 130X, mCPX, and mCPX BL. I have also seen some vids on you tube of a guy using that microheli swashplate leveling tool and it seems to work well. I think I will get one, since it will be a whole lot easier to use that tool instead of trying to eyeball it
Its not a trim adjustment. You make adjustments to the travel endpoints to keep the swash level throughout its travel.
The part about not using trims is true. The flybarless controller treats it like inputs that need to be corrected.

There is one universal truth with helis: Most problems can be traced back to your setup. Not including defective/damaged components of course

Just because the manufacturer calls it BNF doesn't mean you can skip the setup/verification process.
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Originally Posted by pmikeyg View Post
The 450 came today. Now its time to swap out connectors and reroute wires. Can't wait to get her in the air!
Let me know when you get that bad boy finished. I still haven't finished my flybarless conversion on my 600.

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Old 02-20-2013, 01:05 AM   #8236
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Let me know when you get that bad boy finished. I still haven't finished my flybarless conversion on my 600.


It has been cold and windy out there.......

You guys are always welcome to do the heli set up and trimming indoors.

Just send a text or call on my cell 302-242-0303

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Originally Posted by newjak View Post
Its not a trim adjustment. You make adjustments to the travel endpoints to keep the swash level throughout its travel.
The part about not using trims is true. The flybarless controller treats it like inputs that need to be corrected.

There is one universal truth with helis: Most problems can be traced back to your setup. Not including defective/damaged components of course

Just because the manufacturer calls it BNF doesn't mean you can skip the setup/verification process.
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I hear what you are saying. Those are good points. Definitely, don't trust that a BNF is 100% set up correctly. Always look it over before you fly it.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:56 AM   #8238
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I wanted to try some MicroHeli blades last month but Amazon refunded my money with the store that said they were in stock.

You got my # Beyondblue... I could demo my Nano CP anytime on weekends. You could fly it too ... My Dual Rates in Normal mode is a whopping 35% Ail/Elev with 50 Expo... lol
Cool sounds like a plan
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:06 AM   #8239
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Originally Posted by NASCARNOAH View Post
It has been cold and windy out there.......

You guys are always welcome to do the heli set up and trimming indoors.

Just send a text or call on my cell 302-242-0303

I can't send a reply back on WattFlyer from work.
I may take you up on that.

I try, I really do!
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I may take you up on that.


I am there mornings to noon weekdays.
You can stay later that noon. Just turn out lights and lock the back door.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:40 PM   #8241
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much appreciated Mike ... I usually have a couple Mondays off a month. I will give a shout if I get free time during these days or weekends. Itching to fly that Funcub of mine soon also!

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Two pit stalls, at KCAM, added today with two more planned for tomorrow.


I do not care how much you paid for it; it is still a toy.

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Old 02-22-2013, 12:48 AM   #8243
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I am there mornings to noon weekdays.
You can stay later that noon. Just turn out lights and lock the back door.
Rain forecast for Saturday. How about some indoor R/C?

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Rain forecast for Saturday. How about some indoor R/C?
Let me get the 450 on the DX8 and we can get her trimmed out

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Heli fever has struck again...DAMMIT!

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Heli fever has struck again...DAMMIT!
What did you buy this time?

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What did you buy this time?
Nothing...I am controlling the temptations!

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Nothing...I am controlling the temptations!
I'm going to start work on my 600 conversion soon. Let me know if you still need the swash tool for your 450.

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Flew my mCPX BL today after work. I ran 3 battery packs through the heli in my front yard. I had a married couple and their young son stop to watch and ask some of the usual questions I get asked...how much does it cost, is it hard to fly, where do you get something like this and so on. I don't mind though, since I figure it may get more folks into this awesome hobby I did a touch and go landing, some fast forward flight fly-byes, and some pirouettes that the young boy got a kick out of. I thought about doing some mild 3d, but thought better of it since my thumbs were getting numb from the temperature dropping and I didn't want to crash into my spectators. This heli is a lot of fun and keeps getting better and better as I break in the batteries.

Hey SmoothCruiser I have two swashplate tools on order, which are for my 130x and mCPX BL. I will let you know how they work. I just ordered them yesterday from Rakonheli.com. Hopefully I won't have to wait too long Happy flying guys
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I'm going to start work on my 600 conversion soon. Let me know if you still need the swash tool for your 450.
I will definately need the swash tool. I have been reteaching myself how to set the pitch.

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