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Old 12-27-2015, 05:11 AM   #201
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Default Couple of question...

Hey, just registered yesterday . I have a couple of question if you guys don't mind answering. I hope the answers are easy too.

What do I look for when matching a motor with the ESC with the battery?

How can I get more flying time?

What source is good for learning about Watts, Volts, and Amps, their relation to each other. Increasing one will do what. Too much of something will do what?

Thank you.
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Old 12-27-2015, 06:52 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Hyyperion View Post
Hey, just registered yesterday . I have a couple of question if you guys don't mind answering. I hope the answers are easy too.

What do I look for when matching a motor with the ESC with the battery?

How can I get more flying time?

What source is good for learning about Watts, Volts, and Amps, their relation to each other. Increasing one will do what. Too much of something will do what?

Thank you.
Happy to answer but this is not the place for this question. how to pick motors is not really related to how to teach people to fly and I would not want to side track this thread that far off topic.

The thread/book below would be a far better place to post this question AND it is one of the sources that answers your question about where to go to learn about such things. So I invite you to repost your question there.

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Old 01-28-2016, 03:14 AM   #203
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I have a technique to share... It worked on my daughter, as well as a couple nephews and such...

It's a very very old school approach... Possible only with very aggressive new school airframes though.

Goes like this:

1. First plane - trainer? No. 3D profile foamy, ideally EPP. (Crack Yak, Griffwerks, etc)
2. Use actual 3D (aka insane) throws.
3. Practice this move. The elevator. (Pull both sticks straight down and hold em) yep that's it!

Now when you fly, go straight up, no control just throttle... Then try to fly around... If you get confused, "Elevator". The plane will flip perfectly level, and start floating down. Right side up? Knife edge? In a tumble? You do an elevator and it will float down perfectly level and graceful. You get your orientation back, go back up and fly more...

What's so dang good about that approach? You don't ever learn the bad habit of over controlling that comes from a trainer that corners like a pregnant elephant... And when you're done, you can fly about anything.

Let me know how that works if anyone tries it. It's mind blowing the first time. Works in the sims too on profile foamies.

History: It's an old balsa and rubber band powered trick. A pin held the tail flat until the band pressure was exhausted... Then the elevator would pop up virtually 90 degrees.. The balsa plane would float to the ground. You can actually land like that and never do damage.
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Old 01-28-2016, 03:42 AM   #204
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Only if the plane is light enough...
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Only if the plane is light enough...
Correct! That method uses a profile foam 3D airframe.

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Old 04-26-2017, 05:21 AM   #206
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Thought I would use this thread to make my intro...
Not new to RC, but mostly flew gliders due to the mess and equipment for gas. Began to experiment with electric back in the early 90's but just didn't get as much enjoyment as my Gentle Lady. Also had a Sophisticated Lady with electric power pod - fun, but still was half the fun of the hi-start sister.
Anyway, now a professional pilot and flight instructor for an exclusive US aircraft manufacturer I went right to this thread as I enjoy teaching and rare is the chance I get to be the student. But hearing the thoughts expressed in this thread shows the same dedication instructors encourage throughout the GA and Professional aviation markets.
Encouarage any interest, if you don't know - say so and ask or look someplace for the answer, and flying the airplane is only a small part of a very broad plan.
I am looking forward to my next trip to a local field (RC) soon to get help with my electric Taylorcraft, scratch built from an old Comet kit and converted for electric RC and a few others that are in progress or dusted off.


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Old 04-26-2017, 06:32 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by F22trainer View Post
Thought I would use this thread to make my intro...
Not new to RC, but mostly flew gliders due to the mess and equipment for gas. Began to experiment with electric back in the early 90's but just didn't get as much enjoyment as my Gentle Lady. Also had a Sophisticated Lady with electric power pod - fun, but still was half the fun of the hi-start sister.
Anyway, now a professional pilot and flight instructor for an exclusive US aircraft manufacturer I went right to this thread as I enjoy teaching and rare is the chance I get to be the student. But hearing the thoughts expressed in this thread shows the same dedication instructors encourage throughout the GA and Professional aviation markets.
Encouarage any interest, if you don't know - say so and ask or look someplace for the answer, and flying the airplane is only a small part of a very broad plan.
I am looking forward to my next trip to a local field (RC) soon to get help with my electric Taylorcraft, scratch built from an old Comet kit and converted for electric RC and a few others that are in progress or dusted off.
Thanks!

This particular trick requires 3D rates on elevator at least.

If you set this up on a Taylorcraft, you would need to try to get the elevator at 100% travel to be able to hit about a 45 degree angle at least. (60 degree is preferred).

To make it still flyable, you can set rates low, and add a rescue mix that drives the servo to 100% and ideally, cuts throttle. This will right the plane immediately and you can recover it. (Flying those I know you're not normally adjusting throttle much... but it's critical to drop throttle to use an elevator move to re-level the plane).

Glad this inspired you! Good luck!
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This particular trick requires 3D rates on elevator at least.

If you set this up on a Taylorcraft, you would need to try to get the elevator at 100% travel to be able to hit about a 45 degree angle at least. (60 degree is preferred).

To make it still flyable, you can set rates low, and add a rescue mix that drives the servo to 100% and ideally, cuts throttle. This will right the plane immediately and you can recover it. (Flying those I know you're not normally adjusting throttle much... but it's critical to drop throttle to use an elevator move to re-level the plane).

Glad this inspired you! Good luck!
I don't see any posts referencing your post suggesting that we train new pilots based on 3D tricks. While this is not an approach I would endorse if it works for your students, great.

Are you suggesting that the video is of a new, first time pilot flying this plane? Seems unlikely to me.

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Old 04-28-2017, 07:05 AM   #209
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Oh.. no, sorry...

The video is of my daughter. But the trick works for a brand new pilot, and starting with a 3 D plane, they learn very quickly not to overcontrol.

This gives a novice a quick recovery option on a 3D plane. It works well. Just about anyone can learn to fly quickly this way. Fly up, goof around, elevator if you get confused... you can even land like that with a 3D plane.
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