"Full contact" combat designs and equip

[jperch]

Have you guys seen these?

www.superflyrc.com

DISCLAIMER ON: SuperFlyRC is a company in Georgetown Texas that makes small electric powered foam delta planes. The proprietor is a friend of mine. Beyond that, I don't receive any compensation for my comments. DISCLAIMER OFF/

I have owned several of these planes for quite some time. They are incredibly durable because of the EPP construction. When something does break, it is generally repairable with a shot of CA. It doesn't even have to be foam safe. The medium sized plane, the SuperFlea, is my favorite. It can be flown indoors or outdoors even in moderate winds. With the props situated above the fuse and to the rear, collisions with people rarely cause an injury (not that I advocate such practice).

The stock power system is brushed but many folks, including me, have modified them for brushless operation. My brushless flea uses a LensRC 17T and I built a 16T 20mm single for a buddy of mine. But I actually like the stock setup best for combat.

A 2s lipo pack is fairly well protected inside of the EPP canopy. They are not really fast and can be flown quite slowly when needed.

Sorry if this sounds too much like a commercial. I just really like these planes for combat. If you find yourself in central Texas, drop me a note. We typically fly indoors twice a month at a local middle school. I will even let you try mine out.

Joe

[Oldpilot]

I live in Australia and have a Superflea. I can only agree with what JOE says.

Cheers. Patrick.

[Deepguy]

Created a pdf to use

Originally Posted by Pyrock

I think I have just what you are looking for. Sub 8 oz. and very manueverable. It can fly slow (pancake landings) or fast (40+ mph) and it's a pusher. It also uses a small brushless motor and small prop. Its prop is mounted mid fuse and prop protection can be added. electronics are protected and it's cheap to fix or make a new fuse. Here ya go...

[Deepguy]

Originally Posted by Pyrock

I've tested the following with the 370 (4100kv) being the best:

Park E-FLight 370 (4100kv)
Park E-Flight 370 (3600Kv)
Park E-Flight 400
Fiegao 12mm (5300kv) I think that's the kv
Various small outrunners from Ebay

Want to try:
Mamba 4200 kv
Himax 2015-4100

Here's the pic you requested...

Here is my pdf version for everyone to print

[hauts]

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~dazb/dAzi/dAzi.html

This folded coroplast wing is very durable. Does fly fine and slowly with a speed 400, and has great speed range and is totally aerobatic with a cheap bell-type brushless and some 6x5 - 7x6 prop. The construction technique is easily adopted to less sweep, more plank-like forms too, so you can have even more agility.

It's worth to use 4-5 mm coroplast for the inside doubler and spar, and surround the battery and receiver with foam so they cant move or be crushed. 2-3 mm coro for the wing itself.

I got like 7 planes from 20 euros worth of coroplast, and so far only three have been totally destroyed despite all kinds of crashes (I also learnt to fly with these same planes...)

I suppose you could protect the propeller with duct, but they're really pretty safe back there. Or you could put large enough vertical stabilisers on both sides of the motor/prop to protect them from most hits.

[chrono_war02]

Have any of you see the products by windriders there all EPP foam, industructable as hell takes anything even powercables ( i tested that) the mini bee they have will be great for this combat 380 motor 15-20 amp ESC with litium batterys i have 2 of them been doing combat with knifes atached every thing all braiage is on the spot repairable. just check them out dont bother with the Eli- Bee its too fast.

check it out
http://www.windrider.com.hk/products/product.cfm?id=9

Epp foam.... the worlds laughing

[Airhead]

Morning chrono,

Welcome to the site,
Those planes look pretty good. big too.

Thats quite an airliner on teh top of the page.
See ya'

[mikegabin]

Transitioned from gas to electric and really appreciate tjhe difference.

[chrono_war02]

it might seem a good idea but it ends up costing toomuch and then you dont want to combat it..

[TheHobbyGuy]

HI guys, I thought you would like this pic. This was my BlueCor wing vs EPP wings. Enjoy the carnage....

[rocket_jim]

Originally Posted by TheHobbyGuy

HI guys, I thought you would like this pic. This was my BlueCor wing vs EPP wings. Enjoy the carnage....

Is there a "before" photo around?

Thanks!
Jim

[TheHobbyGuy]

Sure..actually I had did a whole article on the build...

http://blog.thehobbyguy.tv/2006/10/09/5-dollar-wing/

The airfoil was invented by Dick Kline and has a step in it - you can read more about how he invented it here:

http://blog.thehobbyguy.tv/2007/03/2...leman-origins/

Enjoy!

[Bluebird]

Our e-club is using a Bluecore knockoff of the .superflyrc.com "Superflea" for full-contact combat. We velcro the gear on the bottom of Delta and use a pair of dbl. thick bluecore runners which act as landing skids/ gear protectors. We use 3/16" dowels along leading edges, hotglued & wrapped w/ colored ducttape. 2 spars are used, one on top abt an inch aft of the prop slot, also ducttaped, and on the bottom just forward of the prop slot. Wood or carbon rod for spars.C.G. at 7" aft of nose point, we use the cheapie TP 2408-21 motor. Fin angle is unimportant but fin Area is, we use GWS DD8060 w/ 2s or DD8040 w/3s. We also use propsavers. With the 22" wingspan you can cut 3 wings and 6 fins from 1 -2'X4' section of fanfold, scraps for runners. No paint, the brightly colored ducttape adds enuff color for definition. They fly GREAT and are extremely TUFF! Wt. is around 10 ozs. RTF. Hope this helpful

[rocket_jim]

Very helpful info! Thanks!

Have any photos handy?

Jim

Originally Posted by Bluebird

Our e-club is using a Bluecore knockoff of the .superflyrc.com "Superflea" for full-contact combat. We velcro the gear on the bottom of Delta and use a pair of dbl. thick bluecore runners which act as landing skids/ gear protectors. We use 3/16" dowels along leading edges, hotglued & wrapped w/ colored ducttape. 2 spars are used, one on top abt an inch aft of the prop slot, also ducttaped, and on the bottom just forward of the prop slot. Wood or carbon rod for spars.C.G. at 7" aft of nose point, we use the cheapie TP 2408-21 motor. Fin angle is unimportant but fin Area is, we use GWS DD8060 w/ 2s or DD8040 w/3s. We also use propsavers. With the 22" wingspan you can cut 3 wings and 6 fins from 1 -2'X4' section of fanfold, scraps for runners. No paint, the brightly colored ducttape adds enuff color for definition. They fly GREAT and are extremely TUFF! Wt. is around 10 ozs. RTF. Hope this helpful

[Bluebird]

Thanks for the interest Jim. I don't have any pics now but we are planning to post some on our club website next week. It's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ww2ecombat/ Simply join the group to access "photos". We call them the NoMercyDeltas and will label an album as such. Mike

[Buzzsaw]

Mike I posted or double posted pictures of our planes on our web site under new photo's also a line up of our WWII planes. I'll try and work up a plan on foam and take a picture of it and post .

Buzzy

[Buzzsaw]

Originally Posted by rocket_jim

Very helpful info! Thanks!

Have any photos handy?

Jim

Jim I hope this helps.If you run a 9-7 prop you will have to make the slot a little wider so the prop won't hit and move the fins out a little. This plane has taken more than 20 mid-airs and has hit the ground that many times more.
Buzzy

[sawatt]

I'm suprised that none of you have seen this: http://www.lightflite.com/
I'm just getting into the hobby, and have watched 6-8 of these flying in a former skating rink doing full contact. A little hot glue works great for repairs

I have no realtionship to the site other than I know the owner.

[rocket_jim]

Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

Jim I hope this helps.If you run a 9-7 prop you will have to make the slot a little wider so the prop won't hit and move the fins out a little. This plan has taken more than 20 mid-airs and has hit the ground that many times more.
Buzzy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ww2ecombat/spnew

Thanks so very much for pointing me to your Yahoo Group and the great photos!

Jim

[Bluebird]

Welcome to our Club Site S.W., my "Call Sign" there is Lucky. The Bug looks interesting and EPP is very tough! Tnx for posting that Site.

[mike]

We have been combating using 10' of thread followed by 20' of 1" wide crape paper. We started out with Great Planes Fun Force planes but they were "disappointing". Now we've gone to the BP Hobbies Hammer planes and they are working out great. They fly good and they are cheap ($19.95). We are using GWS or other cheap outrunner motors. The object is to cut the streamer and not have a midair. We do have some midairs sometimes but the planes being so cheap keeps it fun.
Mike

[Bluebird]

Mike, glad you're having fun w/ e-combat! If you want to build even cheaper planes that fly excellent, check out the TOPGUN warbirds Mark and John sell at www.2dogrc.com. We buy our fanfold foam from Lowe's Home Improvement stores. That's 50 planes for under $40.00! The P-51 B/C model Mark sells is an excellent flyer, IMO the included CD is worth the price of the kit. We use medium temp hot glue in a low temp glue gun only ,for construction & repairs. Great idea on the thread trailer to your streamer, Mike. BE CAREFUL!! This Combat stuff is ADDICTIVE! Best Wishes and as always, "watch your six!"

[aqkhana2002]

thanks for you that much great help, but as i m very new person in this fun, need some info, can you tell me what form you use for that and what glue?

cheers

[Buzzsaw]

Originally Posted by aqkhana2002

thanks for you that much great help, but as i m very new person in this fun, need some info, can you tell me what form you use for that and what glue?

cheers

We build with mostly fan fold we get at lowes and we use low temp. hot melt glue. Maybe someone else can tell you what they use on other foams.
Buzzy

[Tram]

If you guys are looking for a full contact combat design, the Fleas from SuperflyRC.com are hard to beat...


Jeff
www.CommonSenseRC.com