"Full contact" combat designs and equip

[lmopar69]

No doubt about that! i love my flys and fleas!

Laine.

[hardlock]

There was mention of building with CF earlier in the thread.

We duke it out all the time with little to no damage with our Carbon Traveler Bipes.

Here's a sample with a good head to head crash at the end. No damage BTW, these things just plug back together!

http://www.acesim.com/rc/ctc/CTCs-armory-1s-06.mpg

(Yes, shameless plug for my design) :o

[arguspanoptes4]

I am Really wanting to get into RC combat aircraft and these F-22's seem to be the coolest/cheapest way to go. what I was wondering is if anyone has tried a ducted fan to protect the motor and reduce prop damage to other planes? This is what I found.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXLXA2&P=FR




P.S. This is for a 370 size motor.
P.S.S. If anyone has a suggestion for a cheap startup system (radio,motor,battery, etc.), I have about 100$ (birthday money) drop me a message. Thx!

[irone]

check out the combat planes and equipment at www.2dogrc.com
otherwise you will drop over half of your money just on a motor and fan unit.

Where did you get the idea that combat was not about doing damage to the other guys plane......Dauhhh !

[arguspanoptes4]

Man I must have missed that day of class... lol. I guess destruction is quite entertaining. Thanks for the site, it helps a lot.

[Buzzsaw]

If you go to our combat site below: it costs nothing to join and go to members photos you will see a delta we use for full contact with cheap motors.You should be able to build one out of fan fold real cheap.
Buzzy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ww2ecombat/

10-16-07

[arguspanoptes4]

So if i wanted to make one of these depron/EPP Raptors, would anyone advise putting the motor on the elevators like has been done in this vid:

F-22 Raptor w/ vectoring thrust F22 RC Depron 3D (1 of 4)

And if it is a good idea could I adapt it to a delta wing (cuz to me there doesn't seem to be drastic leaps in design between these Raptors and a delta)?

[Buzzsaw]

In our club we use the Deltas for full contact combat. The F-22's & F-16's are for sport flying and mounting an airwars system on them. I have a Mig-29 that Dave sells it fly's pretty good with the thrust vector. I think first you have to decide what you are going to use the plane for. The WWII planes we build,we fly streamer combat with them.
Buzzy

[iflyrc1012]

hey buzzy where can i get plans for these? i like the raptor!!

[iflyrc1012]

and what is an airwars system???

[Bluebird]

The Airwars system is produced by CSM in UK. It is an infrared combat device which consists of a micro processer the size of an average ESC connected to an infrared bulb for the fore end of the combat plane and an infrared sensor for the aft end of the aircraft. The entire device weighs apprx. 1.3 ozs.. It has a range of up to 30 ft.. You "fire" the "gun" w/ an aux. trx. channel and when the infrared beam "hits" the sensor it scores a hit. Programmed into a laptop the device can keep track of up to 30 units at a time. Airwars is available thru www.advantagehobby.com . We're new to this form of combat here in Muncie and have only flown a few rounds due to a cold & windy winter. It is absolutely a hoot! I fly w/ Buzzy and he can tell u more about his F-22. I can tell you it is an excellent flying model. If you don't want to scratch build an F-22, www.yardbirdrc.com produces a fantastic lazer cut depron kit that I have built. That and their MiG 29 are both excellent flyers and easy to build.

[Jasta]

Hi guys!
Ill soon be releasing a series of "combat" planes.
The first two are show below. They are Rudder/Elevator/Throttle controls,
are very durable and easily field repaired.
They feature a KF airfoil wing that provides outstanding flight properties.
They are 38-40" Wing Span, and weigh about 12 oz with battery, ready to fly. I believe they will be able to take on many ounces of glue/tape from repairs and still be very flyable.
On top of that, the prototype plane is the most gentle flyer I have ever flown. Better than a Super-cub, no kidding. I can fly it in my front yard; I even handed the sticks to my neighbor and let him fly over our neighborhood. He yanked too hard on his first turn and the plane went into a spinning dive. I just said "let go". He did, and the plane recovered itself in a blink of an eye.
So...please be looking for these in about two weeks...available on my site
www.arrowplanes.com
Also I carry pusher profile jets. My highly manueverable Draken would be a good foe for those Raptor/MiG29s in jet combat.

Thanks!

Jasta

[Bluebird]

Great looking planes Jasta! I've checked your site before prompted by your Draken thread on RCG. I've built gpw's Draken( 20" WS) & Skyray( 23" WS). They fly well but I personally prefer the Skyray for Airwars. It's a great "gun platform". So smooth and stable! We're trying the EMax C2805 w/ 2840kV outrunners and 4-5" APC props . 180+ watts w/ 3s LiPo & 25 A ESC. Will look forward to checking out your ww2 jobs on your Site! I love streamer combat w/ elliptical winged planes. I've done up the Spit, HE-112, Avia B-35 and Tempest. Don't mean to be immodest but they all fly great. Best of luck.

[branded7k]

Originally Posted by hauts

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~dazb/dAzi/dAzi.html

This folded coroplast wing is very durable. Does fly fine and slowly with a speed 400, and has great speed range and is totally aerobatic with a cheap bell-type brushless and some 6x5 - 7x6 prop. The construction technique is easily adopted to less sweep, more plank-like forms too, so you can have even more agility.

It's worth to use 4-5 mm coroplast for the inside doubler and spar, and surround the battery and receiver with foam so they cant move or be crushed. 2-3 mm coro for the wing itself.

I got like 7 planes from 20 euros worth of coroplast, and so far only three have been totally destroyed despite all kinds of crashes (I also learnt to fly with these same planes...)

I suppose you could protect the propeller with duct, but they're really pretty safe back there. Or you could put large enough vertical stabilisers on both sides of the motor/prop to protect them from most hits.

I have to agree with you regarding the resilience of coroplast. I have built a few models off the "SPADtothebone" website, including both versions of the Sickle, and they fly great. Lots of bang for the buck!

I love flying wings and am getting ready to maiden a standard dAzi. I'll be using 9g servos and power will be provided by a TP 2409-12 and GWS 8060 prop. If I like the setup, I'd like to try an 8-foot 4mm coroplast dAzi.

[gagab1]

oo very nice!

[outflying3d]

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[celticflyer]

Has anyone tried the Assassin from crashtesthobby.com /???
Their method of construction and design is bulletproof.

[Tram]

Not sure if anyone would be interested, but being I love to fly combat, I thought I'd work on something for those who do..

We are thinking about putting together a "Combat Combo" of SuperFly's..

This would work really well for anyone who had a club large enough to get a handful of guys involved..

If there is any interest, we will look into it further..

[jobu]

I check in to this page occasionally and I am amazed that no one builds a solid core, full fuse, all epp plane for combat. I wasn't going to post but I noticed the super flea/fly posts and thought if someone made a plane on those lines but in a plane form...it would be a hugh hit with begginers due to the crash abuse threshold and for combat flyers for the same reason.

A solid epp fuse...cut out the servos...hot glue them. Cut out the battery compartment tight for friction fit. Thick airfoil solid wing with a carbon strip cut and ca'd in place. Hot glue a 2"x2" piece of plywood for a motor mount...done. All ca compatable.

We have had 3 Miracle Epp 900s from HobbyLobby (discontinued) for better than four years now and they are still the go to plane.

After all the cartwheels and midairs and intentional tail clips they are still in tact....
http://www.boruvka.info/puvodni/english.php?page=epp
Impossible to get here from Check Rep due to poor dollar/Chzeck Crown.
Someone should really think of these or a similar design if they build epp already.
Just thought I'ld add 2cents.
Joe

[Tram]

jobu-

Sounds interesting.. Might have to give it some thought.

Jeff

[jobu]

It's the one thing I miss doing seeing how everyone I fly with is into wings or edfs. Full contact with profile epp gets dicey...with solid full fuse and solid core wings and landing gear...it adds a little risk to the attacker as well. I would be interested in helping design a little through email with what ever I canhelp you with.
I also just bought a plane called Flik...which is an all epp version of easy star...not a great plane for combat but you can see how tough this thing is with no attachments glued on just cavities cut out of the dense block of epp.
I cut out for the rx etc under the wing and hot glues a hinged 1.5x2" piece of depron for access.
The great thing is are field repairs done with any ca and build with ca or hot glue. They sell a great paint...American Traditions will give a bright glossy finish...still a bit pourus but looks good. A 36-40 kit would be great for 1500-2100 3s. I fly my miricle on 2200 4s and 8x8...it's right at 100mph+-
joe

[Tram]

If you are looking for a combat bird, the HyperFlea and SuperFly make excellent platforms...

[jobu]

Got one of each...i turned a few of my friends on to them too and they each have one.

[Bean]

Originally Posted by BMJR

Looks good.

What I'm looking to do with the mid or pusher mounted motor is avoid prop/esc/motor damage. Not really concerned about airframe damage.
The main problems we were having are
1) lots of broke props from contacting the other plane(s)
2) Bent motor shafts, damaged gear drives, rotors, etc.
3) Lots of damage from the prop blades striking the esc, wires, battery, etc.

Here is a picture of my take on the F-22.
I first powered it with an IPS direct drive turning a 3X3 prop on 2S. It flew good, but was low on power.
It now has a CC mamba turning a 4.5" prop.
Flies great and the elevons were more effective that I expected in terms of roll authority.
I need to go to a slightly larger prop for better power/efficiency and then put some type of guard around the prop to avoid the problems above.

What do you use to mount the motor in these?...

[celticflyer]

What I'm looking to do with the mid or pusher mounted motor is avoid prop/esc/motor damage. Not really concerned about airframe damage.
The main problems we were having are
1) lots of broke props from contacting the other plane(s)
2) Bent motor shafts, damaged gear drives, rotors, etc.
3) Lots of damage from the prop blades striking the esc, wires, battery, etc.



http://www.crashtesthobby.com/

Check this website out. The Assissin is as indestructable as you'll find