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Old 04-16-2009, 12:23 AM   #26
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if your spending serious cash... use a credit card through paypal....

This is how it works... 99% of the time, paypal can/will get your money back very quickly... however... that 1% of the time... when paypal refuses... you submit a chargeback to the credit card, which overides Paypal's athority and gets your money back.... (paypal even states this on their site)

this is why you can no longer use credit cards as primary payment method on paypal... (they don't like it) but when you go to pay... you click other methods, and the card you want to use... simple....

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Old 04-16-2009, 12:35 AM   #27
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I have a mean plan. why not, as done to me, publically post his adress and mabye his number if you have it, so we all can work together on catching this guy? 2o heads are better than one

flying is not for birds, but for random household items that look like they can have airfoil.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:59 AM   #28
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I have done everything that was mentioned Postmaster thing, The Postmaster sent me a postcard saying thanks we will ad it to our now overwelming file. Had the cops out to his house
he is in vacaville/i'm in LA small claims has to be in his city, he has now moved, but his phone still works but he will not answer my calls. Most of these guys know that you will no file a claim as it needs to be in there city, and is not worth the effort to get there and do the footwork and they know it. The police willnot do much I could not even get mine to write a report I was lucky that The Vacaville police even went out the first time and could not get them to go or do anything else, the first cop was just a good guy What else can be done? I do know that Like I said "I WILL NEVER FORGET" and will keep looking forever. I have been in this hobby for a long time and will continue to for the future and Maybe, just maybe I will run across him someday

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Oh and I forgot I sent a demand for payment letter and it was returned Moved no forwarding address. He has done this before and resurfaced under another name and I believe he will do it again so, be carefull, very carefull.
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Oh and I forgot I sent a demand for payment letter and it was returned Moved no forwarding address. He has done this before and resurfaced under another name and I believe he will do it again so, be carefull, very carefull.
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Very very good... Inform the Postmaster of this... He could go to Jail...

Either that, or let the post office in his area know... and he will not get any mail at that address ever again... My dad was a Letter Carrier for 14 years.... I know this for a fact...

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you took his number off. ah man

flying is not for birds, but for random household items that look like they can have airfoil.
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One thing I know ... Never mess with the US Mail... It's a very quick way to spend alot of time in federal Prison...LOL

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Hey I logged back on to edit my post
But it has been deleted...already
I would have eddited it if given some time
so I am sorry about posting things I should not have "IE" Phone # & name
I was under the assumption that it was OK, Well I guess it is not
But, it is OK for him to Steel my money and I can't ask for some help form the RC community? So Hey I tried all I know, I never stated anything that was not true
and would never do so. All I ever wanted was the bird that is owed me.
So If by stating his name & number, that is wrong, well I appologise but that does not change the fact that he is a thief and All should know about it and to avoid him
so I will not do it again
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:35 AM   #34
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I have a mean plan. why not, as done to me, publically post his adress and mabye his number if you have it, so we all can work together on catching this guy? 2o heads are better than one
the problem with this is that once you track the person down using publically available legal means you get an immature phone call from the person parent screaming obscenities at you at the top of their lungs.

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Originally Posted by Yaniel View Post
the problem with this is that once you track the person down using publically available legal means you get an immature phone call from the person parent screaming obscenities at you at the top of their lungs.
and some people who are immature themselves meddle where they should not.

flying is not for birds, but for random household items that look like they can have airfoil.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:56 AM   #37
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Dude is bad news - do a search in RCgroups on his name. He has taken many for money.

He knows to get his money out of paypal - so that is not an avenue. As I recall someone was filing charges against him.

Search on RCG I think you will find many threads. Maybe you can team up and get the guy in jail....

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Old 04-16-2009, 02:57 AM   #38
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take any info you have,(copys of emails, Copy of check) and the letter stateing moved/no forwarding address and take it to the postmaster... forget the DA, think Federal Crimes... it's much faster... and will get him nailed much worse...

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Old 04-16-2009, 03:10 AM   #39
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here's another good place to start... ftc, mail order faud

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/busi...O%20FOR%20HELP

at the very bottom it has a place to file a complaint.... file enough complaints everywere you can and your bound to get somewhere...

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Old 04-16-2009, 03:58 AM   #40
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Looks good But if you read closer
"The FTC does not resolve individual consumer complaints"
and only has a data base on complaints
and the DA thing sounds good
I will call the Vaccaville DAs dept and see where it leads
who knows?
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:02 AM   #41
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Yep he has a past history of rippin people off
even on craigs list
werid thing is that he will sell & ship some stuff untill at some point he decides that the next one is the one and will steel and never return, so if you check his history it appears that he is a good seller, and them WAM!! rips the next guy off.
but he is in to RC and somebody knows him and he will Surface Again
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sounds like the borrow twice scam... someone borrows a little money, pays it back in a short time, then borrows much more.... and flees with it

its very comon on ebay they sell a little stuff to get good credit then rip off a bunch of expensive items, then hide and do it again later....

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See, and they know how to get away with it
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Originally Posted by ministeve2003 View Post
sounds like the borrow twice scam... someone borrows a little money, pays it back in a short time, then borrows much more.... and flees with it

its very comon on ebay they sell a little stuff to get good credit then rip off a bunch of expensive items, then hide and do it again later....

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isn't that like the pyramid scheme kinda? rob from peter to pay paul?

flying is not for birds, but for random household items that look like they can have airfoil.
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What I find kinda funny is that if these crooks would put the same effort into legitimate enterprise they'd likely do better for them selves.

Thieves are very very close to the top of my disdain list.

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Old 05-04-2009, 06:10 AM   #46
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Be Carefull As he will be back only using a new name
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Please do post your "Discernment Of Sellers" piece Bill as I'd very much like to read it whether it's a "sticky" or not.

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The bottom line is that it would not become a sticky, due to the degree of specifics it calls for a new seller to meet. I just don't see a staff putting it up. If a seller does not have a high trader rating, then there a numerous things one could investigate to provide reasonable assurance of the seller. I won't post them, as folks have been offended by my stating of them. I don't care to hear that stuff, as it's irrelevant to safer buying, but folks will always be offended if they are honest, but don't meet specific criteria. I think you can relate to that idea. At the end of the day, if you want to be safe, there are not many new sellers that fit my criteria. Folks should realize as I have, that we don't need everything we want. Not worth the risk.
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