Offensive Frighter, i.e. Guns that work

[winggunner46]

Hello,

Does anyone know of a plane that fires Paint Balls or anyone safe 'REAL GUNS"?

2ND CHOICE would be an add on "Shooter"?

Thanks

Winggunner46

[iflyrc1012]

firing projectiles of any kind from an r/c model is expressly FORBIDDEN BY THE A.M.A!!!!

[CHELLIE]

Dont do it, or you will bring unwanted heat to our Hobby

[stuart]

i agree with those thoughts...the only rc's with fire power are owned by the goverment....they do have some very cool helies and planes that shoot. some one posted a helie withe shotguns mounted to it.

[stuart]

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Remote Control Helicopter With Full-Auto Shotgun

Categories: 800HighTech, Military News, Video
Tags: Army, Aviation, Bullet, Guns, Military, Remote-Control, Robots, UAV, Weapons
Watch in this amazing autonomous helicopter armed with a 12 gauge shotgun in action.

There have been a number of autonomous helicopters developed in the past that have proven their worth to the Military. Able only to performing mundane tasks such as surveillance, mine detection, and escort duty they certainly have still been beneficial, but no previous model will quite match the new AutoCopter Gunship developed by Neural Robotics Incorporated, well at least not in fire power anyway.
NRI AutoCopter Gunship

[gramps2161]

Ya I posted a video here a long time ago, and regretted it it was a shotgun on a heli. It really is a bad idea to do this we are getting heat for the New York FPV and that was by someone on utube that I used to follow with some hot video's.

Have fun another safe way not only is this a bad idea for our hobby, but also for my other fun thing to do and that is to target shoot and hunt. All that is needed is to have some anti gun person see a gun mounted on a plane and it would bring big brother down on the RC world and law abiding gun owners.
I think the message is loud and clear keep the idea of a weapon mounted on a RC heli or plane just that a passing idea.
John


yup stuart the utube one is what I posted a while back.

[Insomniac]

As a somewhat regular member on a Spudgun oriented website... I can tell you that this is a bad, bad idea.

Any launcher capable of firing multiple shots, be it powered by combustible gas, compressed gas, or solid propellents, is going to be very heavy and complex for its size. So from a tech standpoint, getting something functional on a small scale will be very difficult.

The second, main problem, is safety. Guns, even paintball and airsoft guns, are not toys. Airsoft guns can put eyes out and chip teeth, while the considerably more powerful paintball guns can even break small bones, such as fingers. Using these in their intended form, where you have total control over the gun and can clearly see the line of fire is one thing. Strapping one to a plane and firing via a radio link is stupid, and dangerous.

Bottom line is, don't do it.

[pattern14]

Many years ago I built a "Moon base interceptor" from the the British Sci-fi series "U.F.O", powered by the now obsolete jetex rocket motor. This ungainly craft had a torpedo mounted on its nose which it fired at the hapless aliens in their flying saucers. My version built from balsa and silkspan burst into flames and fell from the sky when the torpedo ignited but failed to detach from the main craft. 3 months in pocket money went up in a spectacular fireball which landed between some houses in a vacant lot. The police came, and it made the local paper, and it put this teenager off ever trying a similar stunt again. Putting rocket assist on my Arado Ar234 is as far as I will ever go, and only when I can do it safely. Firing anything from an airborne vehicle is best left to the people who are currently chasing Ali baba and his forty thieves.

[Old Fart]

UFO = Classic!

[hillbillynamedpossum]

In my new horizon hobby catalog, there is a laser tag set up for blade mcx type heli's.... pretty cool. You might try going that way


Possum

[winggunner46]

Well so much for that idea!

Guess I have to stick to the SIM for that type of action.

Thanks for the excellent response.

Dead in the water

[Insomniac]

Although, I think there's an alternative you could try, which may be just as fun... Firing projectiles from a plane probably wouldn't be all that satisfying, as they'd be so small and fast moving you wouldn't see them in flight (unlike simulated bombs and rockets), and it would be absurdly difficult to hit anything without an FPV setup...

With that in mind, why not exclude the projectiles entirely? While an automatic gun which has to load and fire projectiles will be heavy and complex, I bet it would be reasonably simple to build a device that could, for instance, rapidly set off the paper roll style cap-gun caps. This would simulate actual guns very well... loud as hell, and plenty of smoke when firing... Could be a very interesting build!

[Bellylander]

You could always move to France and dog fight Fred and his airsoft equipped Twinstar.

(video) http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1148001

[winggunner46]

Ah, that brings back memories. My fast draw rig with a "Fanner 50"

"Have gun will travel"

LOL

[thomdoe]

winggunner, what I see to your question is "a bunch of namby panzys" ! everyone is NOW so afraid that the second you do something different the gov. will come after you ! I say build it and they may hire you ! Have a ton of fun and only BLAST your friends, and have a GREAT time doing it. If you bomb your own house is the OH NO AMA going to come knocking at your door ? there are some old rc videos on youtube of a group called the "clown possie" AMA wouldn't like them but they were good ! you are only here for a short time HAVE TOO MUCH FUN

[Glacier Girl]

Heck save the guns. Just fly Kamikaze Combat.
Streamers are for pansies. Ditto foamies.

We use 60 scale biplanes for full contact combat.
I have a Hangar 9 Camel and a NitroPlanes DR1, and both show their battle scars as badges of honor. My poor Baron was nearly decapitated by Snoopy, only thing holding his head on was his scarf. Little CA work from the ground crew and he was back at em. After they patched up the damage to the Fokker.


Really shows you some respect for what those pilots went through. It is darn hard hitting a moving target with a moving weapon.






p.s. you must hum "Flight of the Valkyries" while flying combat.

[Glacier Girl]

And really I understand the rules of the AMA and what they are getting at.
But one of the rules is kinda contradictory to me.
Rule 2 section G states "no gaseous boosts"
Rule 2 section I, subsection, states "The use of rocket booster motors up to a G are allowed"

One could argue that the two as stated contradict each other.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/105.pdf

I think pretty much at one time or another we've all thought of the idea of doing something out of the rules, most of us left it at that. Some didn't.

But at least for me, those that sometimes think and go out of the box are what helped grow this hobby. Not saying we should all go out and build craft capable of doing things that could lead to a disaster, but if it wasn't for those that tried and proved something could be done within reason a lot of what is the norm for today wouldn't exist.

Heck I've done it. Even went as far as building craft that could shoot projectiles. I have a Cessna 337 that has electric powered bottle rocket launcher pods on it. Will I ever use it, probably not, but it did teach me a lot about electronics, setting up a radio controlled device that could single fire or salvo fire 12 rockets, plus come up with an electric powered operating system for ignition.

I learned a lot that I can use for some other items, like a bomb drop system which is with in the rules. Could easily incorporate it to use on a fighter for staggered bomb drops, or a bomber for salvo drops.

The ignition systems could just as easily be used to control various lighting systems.

All legal items adapted from an illegal one.

[warningshot]

Originally Posted by iflyrc1012

firing projectiles of any kind from an r/c model is expressly FORBIDDEN BY THE A.M.A!!!!

AMA rules only apply to AMA members.

[Monkeyboy]

My great uncle who actually got me into rc planes Did what every one is afraid to do now days. Granted it was many years ago.

Him and his buddies flew large scale planes. My uncle and a few of the guys were machinists by trade.

They Build large scale war birds. My uncles was the corsair. They had a mustang a zero and a spitfire and some german plane.

The guys took apart Co2 powered bb guns and reworked them to fit in the wings.
The combat sessions took place on a large cattle ranch
They set up guidlines, like only fire when heading away from the pilots on the ground...

Only one plane was lost. it was the german plane. I guess they ganged up on it.
none of the planes went without a little damage.

I remember my Uncle working on it for months to fix the damage.

I would never try now what that group of guys did.

Looking back my uncle was a bit of a hobby nut. He also built a train line that went through the walls of his house. went from the hobby room to the kitchen where the coffee maker was.

[MadMonkey]

For RC combat there's no way I'd risk having something like an Airsoft or BB gun. There's just too many chances of something going wrong... plus to be powerful enough to actually take a plane down, it would also be able to give a human a heck of a welt (or put out an eye).

I've built UAV's for Airsoft purposes and in that situation I'd consider it, because there are specific safety rules and everyone is already wearing appropriate gear (and shooting each other). But there's no, NO way I'd risk it at an RC field, period. But I won't tell you what to do on your own property

Originally Posted by Glacier Girl

Heck save the guns. Just fly Kamikaze Combat.

Agreed. We do that at our field... I got it started about a year ago and we go totally nuts now

[Monkeyboy]

My uncle did it. No way I would do it.

I like my parkflying, Streamer combat and 3d crashing to much to.
Maybe when I'm rich have 1000 acres and plexiglass boxes for the pilots and spectators to stand in. I just might explore the idea.

[foamjetpilot]

Gaseous boost could mean rockets on the blades (like the designs from the old days) since the sentence was in relation to propeller blades (must be non metal).

Solid rocket motors produce consistant performance results based on their design.

I believe the AMA has the rules in place for good reasons and they protect us from ourselves, including the spectators and property. We need to make sure we're always allowed to fly at the designated fields and not lose that freedom. I think they have also seen some of us fly.....

Right now I can fly in a field 6 minutes from my house - non sanctioned property or 3 other AMA fields within 15 minutes from my house. It wouldn't be good to lose that availability.

[Monkeyboy]

Exactly what how I feel.

I have A huge park a few blocks away. and a huge waterway I can fly from when I am good enough at flying.I would never do anything to ruin this.

[foamjetpilot]

Foam designs, depron, lipo batteries, and some great model designers have given all of us the chance to actually fly RC. When I first started in RC, I spent months building and then crashed in seconds. Not any more!

When you get good at flying you may want to get the flycam or similar. It would be cool to get a movie from your planes eye view flying over land and then the water...very cool!

[xmech2k]

I don't know what Winggunner is planning on shooting at, but besides all the other reasons not to do it, if you've tried any of the more realistic simulations of aerial combat and seen how hard it is to shoot something from a plane when your point of view is actually in the plane. Now imagine how hard it would be to hit a ground target with an rc plane, let alone another plane. 'You'll put your eye out with that thing, kid!'