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Old 12-23-2010, 06:03 AM   #1
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Default WWI Plane needs identification to build replica

Hello Wattflyer Experts,

I'm want to build a replica of a WWI airplane for RC flight and I'm trying to identify this actual airplane to replicate.

I have posted one photo below this question... this is an old photo that I found in family photo archives and I have no idea about where it came from... I donít even know the name of the men in this photo (I know neither of them are Manfred von Richthofen) nor do I know exactly what year this photo was taken, but I do know it is two Austian Airmen that were forced down in Italy, walking away from their plane to later be taken prisoner... it must be circa 1914-1918 since WWI ended in 1918.

Iím trying to figure out what kind of German warplane this is so I can make an exact RC replica of it... I did a little searching and it looks somewhat like photos of a Halberstadt CL-2 since it appears to be a two-seater with a machine-gun turret on it... but I thought it also may be a Fokker D7 that looks very similar.

Can anyone tell me what this plane may be?

Thanks so much,

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Old 12-23-2010, 11:26 AM   #2
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Does the picture you have show the rudder better than the scanned pictured you posted?

Now for my last stunt, a forward flip on landing.
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Old 12-23-2010, 12:04 PM   #3
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I am guessing it is a Hansa-Brandenburg B.I because it appears to have a single cockpit for both pilot and gunner. The cowl is straight on the top. It has 4 bay wings.

Now for my last stunt, a forward flip on landing.
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Old 12-23-2010, 06:53 PM   #4
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Hi degreen,

Sorry that the part of the photo that shows the rudder is so thin... the actual photo shows no more detail there... I was trying to make out that area of the photo myself because I'm restoring the photo in Photoshop and I want to make the rudder look accurate, but there is almost no detail where the rudder blends in to the sky behind it.

I think you're right about the single cockpit... I was thinking there were two cockpits since there is a gun turret... that's one of the reasons why I had matched it to some Halberstadt photos that I found online, but now after your input, it does appear to have only one cockpit with two seats and a machine gun.

But I did find the photos below on various websites, and the first one is of a Halberstadt DII that looks very similar to the plane that I am trying to identify, though it doesn't have a machine-gun turret and the nose looks a little different... it's also difficult to tell if it has two cockpits or not.

Then I collected the other photos when I was thinking it was a Halberstadt, and the red model airplane is of an Albatros... it looks similar... this was apparently the type of plane that the Red Baron flew early on in his career.

Anyway, I'll check out the Hansa-Brandenburg B.I on the web to see if it is a match.

Thanks so much for your input,

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Default Meet the Fokkers

degreen,

I figured I may as well include the photos of the the Fokkers that I collected (Meet the Fokkers)... the more I look at all of these and the Halberstadt photos, the more they all look very similar to the plane that the Austrian Airmen are with in my photo.

(I feel profane when I type "Fokker" too many times)

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Old 12-23-2010, 07:48 PM   #6
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Default Hansa-Brandenburg & WWI Flying Ace

The first photo below is of a Hansa-Brandenburg B.I, and it does look very similar to the plane in my photo... especially the nose and the engine.

But also, I found this other photo of a WWI Flying Ace that looks very similar to the plane in my photo.

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Old 12-23-2010, 09:08 PM   #7
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If I can find my PDF of the Hansa Brandenburg prints I'll post them here.

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Most of the pictures you have posted the struts are wrong for the plane in the picture. Now the picture of the flying dog house has the correct nose.

Now for my last stunt, a forward flip on landing.
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Default nose, I get it!

Okay degreen,

That's one that even I didn't think of... I get it, nose.

I never use the term, "LOL", but I did.

Thanks for the advice about my posted little pics... I just couldn't resist all of those once I started looking.

I love the Snoopy WWI Flying Ace character... the concept of a dog making believe he is a dog fighter with the alter-ego of a WWI Flying Ace could only come from Charles Schultz, GRHS.

When I was a small kid, I wrote something like, "Here comes the WWI Flying Ace, and he wears a grin on his face... he takes the sky to shoot and fight, but the Red Baron is nowhere in sight!..."

Not Hemingway or Frost, I know.

I think his catch phrase was "curse you Red Baron!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snoopy#Developments

I'll keep looking in to your Hansa-Brandenburg B.I reference... thanks for that.

Keep up the good sense of humor.

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L.V.G C.VI Maybe ? with out the exhaust pipe ?











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A Lot of the WW1 Planes look alike



or a brandenburg

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Hi Chellie,

That LVG_C.VI sure looks like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVG_C.VI

I checked out this wiki page... Wikipedia, not Wiki-leaks!

How come you know how to plug in big pics?

I know these planes start to look the same after looking at so many.

I like your videos.

Thanks much!

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Originally Posted by digiday View Post
Hi Chellie,

That LVG_C.VI sure looks like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVG_C.VI

I checked out this wiki page... Wikipedia, not Wiki-leaks!

How come you know how to plug in big pics?

I know these planes start to look the same after looking at so many.

I like your videos.

Thanks much!

digiday
Hi digiday to make your pics bigger, left click on your smaller pic on the bottom of your post to make it bigger, then copy it by right clicking with your mouse and press copy, then left click edit on the bottom of the post, then click on your post with the left mouse button to place where you want the pic to go, click the right mouse button and click on paste, Thats all there is to it its easy, its just copy and paste, just takes a few practice trys, Take care and Happy Holidays to you and Yours, Chellie


BTW you can add your bigger picture to the same post or any post you have made.

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It's a Hansa Brandenburg B1.. The inverted 'V' cabane struts plus a few other details give it away...

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digday I thought you might enjoy this video, this eng will not pass a smog test look at the poor guy cranking it up



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I'm liking the Hansa-Brandenburg C.I (Type LDD) myself... (maybe just coincidence, but note the similarities of the ID numbers on the plane the OP posted, and the drawing. Also take notice of the split in the right horizontal bar of the german cross in the OP's image, and where it would line up with the split for the rudder in the other two images.)






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Looking at the cross on the vertical tail it has an open slot in it. This would then look like the cross on the tail of a Hansa-Brandenburg C.I but the C.I only had single bay wings. Maybe the cross only looks that way in the picture. Course when model changes were made some of the models looked mixed. Then parts were salavaged and made into other planes. Perhaps this is a B.I with C.I tail or a C.I with B.I wings added after a crash. I also read the B.I was unarmed and the C.I had a gun.

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Selling a model of it...

http://www.arizonamodels.com/product...products_id/44

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I highlighted several points of comparison.


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Looks like flyingmonkey found another picture of the plane. It looks like a C.I with 2 bay wings.

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Here's an image of the C1 from Wikipedia. (I had to look up the meaning of single and double bay, what can I say, I'm still learning from you guys... )

Here it shows it as a two bay configuration.


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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post
I'm liking the Hansa-Brandenburg C.I (Type LDD) myself...
I think you might have got it.. may have to go back on my call of it being the B1.

One of the difficulties is these early aircraft seem to often have various modifications during production runs and further modifications in the field.
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I think you might have got it.. may have to go back on my call of it being the B1.

One of the difficulties is these early aircraft seem to often have various modifications during production runs and further modifications in the field.
I picked a B.I to start with cause could not see the tail and all the write ups I found and artist drawings showed single bay wings. If those pictures are listed as a Hansa-Brandenburg C.I then we know what the plane is.

This was a good thread. Now I have a headache, you know, like a mussle hurts when you haven't use it for a while.

Now for my last stunt, a forward flip on landing.
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