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Old 01-20-2011, 05:04 PM   #1
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Looks like they both had a transmitter in their hands.

What a shame!
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:06 PM   #2
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Dang! If you pause it and look, the guy on the left is never using his right hand. I don't think he has a transmitter. The guy on the right is controlling it. Scary. Too bad, that was a nice plane.

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Old 01-20-2011, 05:13 PM   #3
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Wow, there are SO MANY unanswered questions about that situation.

Why would they be standing in the runway, AT ALL? It's clearly an AMA type setup with pilot boxes.

Hard to say whether something is wrong with the plane or simply a piloting error.
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:16 PM   #4
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Here's two other videos of it. The guy on the left was a spotter. The pilot looks like he was losing control. It is weird why they are out that far.



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Old 01-20-2011, 06:29 PM   #5
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Engine out (??) hard to control - he should have shut down the other engine.

They should have been in a pilot station, then he would have had much less damage, maybe even none!

When you follow the rules, it helps many things. This was 100% pilot error. He just about hit himself too! I remember the fatality a few years ago where that exact thing occurred.

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We have a couple of guys in our club that like to stand out on the runway and fly when no one else is there, it is frowned upon to say the least!

Never, ever a good idea.

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Looks like the guy on the left tried to "save" the guy on the right-very noble.
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Originally Posted by MustangMan View Post
Why would they be standing in the runway, AT ALL?
We see this all the time in videos. It seems the guys with the huge, expensive planes are always allowed to violate any and all rules. Why is it the rest of us with 40 size planes have to learn to stay in the pilot box but these guys always walk their planes out to the runway and fly from there. They spend $10K and 3 years building a plane but they can't taxi to/from the runway? And you know I'm not making this up. It's pretty common to see this.

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now they mave have been allowed to make a maiden , where all other pilots were down,( and with their cameras).
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ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.


like this video where they were not up on ama code....pilot flying was not on a buddy box as required till he get his waiver...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q5YnIhaowg

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Originally Posted by tampaflyer View Post
now they mave have been allowed to make a maiden , where all other pilots were down,( and with their cameras).


like this video where they were not up on ama code....pilot flying was not on a buddy box as required till he get his waiver...
could be, but still no reason to be standing on the runway. I maiden all mine from the pilot stations at our field.

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Old 01-21-2011, 02:21 AM   #11
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Can't see Vid for some reason? busteve

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well , good pilots can, this was one in which the plane won.

any complicated airframe, the pilot has to AHEAD of the plane, always playing the what if? game

but thank you for the camera man staying on it?

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Originally Posted by tampaflyer View Post
well , good pilots can, this was one in which the plane won.

any complicated airframe, the pilot has to AHEAD of the plane, always playing the what if? game

but thank you for the camera man staying on it?
Gotta love a good cameraman!

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Old 01-21-2011, 03:41 AM   #14
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So which 1 of the 4 geniuses on the field is the actual pilot?

One thing I like about my club is we all stand off of the flight line and anyone who has a deadstick can land without worry and retrieve your plane when given the all clear by each pilot in the air.

It is a shame that this plane crashes but I see 4 causes.

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Old 01-21-2011, 03:58 AM   #15
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At least his tx antenna is okay. He sure did a good move to save that one.

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Old 01-21-2011, 07:38 AM   #16
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Yes a Agree, should have killed the other enging, But when something like that happens, it hard to remember to do that, and then with a bunch of Yoyos on the field, you are just trying not to hit anyone at that point, Yes Pilot Error and being Dumb and not standing in the pilot box, Thank goodness no one was hurt.Maybe that will be a Wake up call for them.

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Seems like he was completely off the throttle anyway. It was looking like a good job right up until the end.

Yeah, great work by the camera guy.

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Old 01-22-2011, 10:39 PM   #18
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My 2 cents: Of the 4 guys (seen in the long video) it looks like the guy all the way on the left is the pilot. Unless I missed some editing, it looks like the plane just did one circuit of the field, and the landing was not anticipated, and they couldn't get out of the way fast enough. Why they were on the field? Retrieving another plane? ??
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Old 01-23-2011, 03:47 PM   #19
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My experience with landing planes directly toward myself has never been good, and fortunately was always with much smaller planes. You are a Murphy's magnet for the plane. It will defeat your control inputs and continue to aim right at you. I had at least one incidence where I had to basically hit the dirt and let the plane fly over my head, and continue to glide in. 2 foot grass and small planes will tolerate that, but not 1/5 scale.

Originally Posted by Octavius View Post
We see this all the time in videos. It seems the guys with the huge, expensive planes are always allowed to violate any and all rules. Why is it the rest of us with 40 size planes have to learn to stay in the pilot box but these guys always walk their planes out to the runway and fly from there. They spend $10K and 3 years building a plane but they can't taxi to/from the runway? And you know I'm not making this up. It's pretty common to see this.
Ditto from my experiences. There are always a few big wigs that can do anything, and nobody says a thing. Those same guys have schooled me for things, and done them less than 60 seconds later themselves. Much of why I am not at a club anymore. You should hear the crap they say also to explain standing out of the box: "But I was helping so and so out with a brand new airplane". Oh I get it, you and your buddies plane are more important than me and my stuff. I've seen some degree of this at most of the fields that I have been at.
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I read on the Youtube description that one of the guy's involved in this mishap was actually the club's "SAFETY OFFICER", go figure.
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Originally Posted by Saddlebum View Post


Looks like they both had a transmitter in their hands.

What a shame!
A Perfect Example of how to get your Exercise if your a Couch Potato and out of Shape, a big fast plane heading towards you will really motivate you to get moving and do some Ground Rolls LOL ,

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hahaha. That never gets old.

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at least the prop on that side was not turning.

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Originally Posted by CHELLIE View Post
A Perfect Example of how to get your Exercise if your a Couch Potato and out of Shape, a big fast plane heading towards you will really motivate you to get moving and do some Ground Rolls LOL ,


ROFL Thats just funny
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Originally Posted by CHELLIE View Post
A Perfect Example of how to get your Exercise if your a Couch Potato and out of Shape, a big fast plane heading towards you will really motivate you to get moving and do some Ground Rolls LOL ,


So you are suggesting that sudden fear and panic will induce otherwise sedentary muscles into all out action? Fascinating! I think we have ourselves the next midnight infomercial $19.95 special. We just need to figure out a way to be able to repeatedly scare the living laziness out of people and they'll be running all over the damned place shedding pounds and inches LIKE CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!


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