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Old 02-03-2011, 06:03 PM   #1
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Can a 4 channel plane be flown and landed by using radio like a 3 channel?
I mean not bothering with the flaps until knowlegable enough.
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You likely would not be using flaps-you would use ailerons.

In general----no.

3 channel (rudder/elevator/throttle) have wing dihedral and self-righting capability.

MOST (not all) 4 channel have flat wings. They do NOT self correct.
The rudder on most function more for corrections on take-off/landing, and some stunts or corrections in flight. Primary turning is the ailerons.
Rudder use on many flat plane wings promotes a serious dive that needs aggressive elevator correction if you don't use the ailerons.

You CAN use the ailerons + elevator alone (no rudder) but you still have the lack of self righting. If you are still struggling with 'normal' flight this will not be helpful.

I don't recommend it without a buddy box or help.

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Four channel is generally throttle, rudder, elevator, and ailerons.


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Thanks Men,
I'm new at it. I have the planes but never flown one before.Just a question a newbie would ask I have the 2 channels to learn with. The 3 channel will probably stay in the box a long,long time.
Can't wait for better weather,God I wanna fly!! It's tough being a virgin.
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The 3 ch a/c you have will most likely have the aforementioned dihedral built into it. Tell these fine folks (men & women) what you have and I betcha they will know if it does or not. My 1st controllable flights were/are on a 3 ch and what they say about self-righting is true! My (repaired) 4 ch is waiting for decent weather for it's re-maiden.
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The 3 ch a/c you have will most likely have the aforementioned dihedral built into it. Tell these fine folks (men & women) what you have and I betcha they will know if it does or not. My 1st controllable flights were/are on a 3 ch and what they say about self-righting is true! My (repaired) 4 ch is waiting for decent weather for it's re-maiden.
There you go throwing your education up to me again,talking over my head.
What is a dihedral?
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Originally Posted by zzlentz View Post
There you go throwing your education up to me again,talking over my head.
What is a dihedral?
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This should help explain
http://www.hooked-on-rc-airplanes.co...-airplane.html
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Thanks Smoke and Hank,
This stuff is so overwhelming. I really don't care about rolls and loops,I just want to fly and be able to land. That is why I would like to change 4 and 5 channels down to a 2.
They are just better looking planes. Most folks like the stunts,I'm not interested in it. Maybe later get a jet and fly formations or something,but that is the extent of my goal right now.
So...is it possible to change a 4 to a 2 or 3 by changing out parts,wings,motors and such?
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Technically, yes.
But, since you have to ask don't bother, don't even try. You'll just give yourself grief.
Don't try to get ahead of the basic steps to learning.

FWIW 2-channel planes can be OK but most of them are poor fliers with dodgy control and very lackluster equipment; toys in the pejorative sense of the word.

Specifically, which exact planes do you have?

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The 3 ch a/c you have will most likely have the aforementioned dihedral built into it. Tell these fine folks (men & women) what you have and I betcha they will know if it does or not. My 1st controllable flights were/are on a 3 ch and what they say about self-righting is true! My (repaired) 4 ch is waiting for decent weather for it's re-maiden.
Dihedral was mentioned before and you had no comment so I PRESUMED you had a handle on that ... so sorry. I am a NOOOOOB also, scattered my 1st a/c, now repaired and "resting", now flying with great success a HZ Champ.

http://www.hooked-on-rc-airplanes.co...-airplane.html

This one, I think explains it pretty good. Corrects for us NOOOOOBS. It works! Please trust me, I only have about 20 flights!

Good luck, do NOT be afraid of a nice 3 channel! I like the HZ Champ, also a bit bigger than the other popular Cub. BTW, it is bigger TOO!
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Originally Posted by zzlentz View Post
Can a 4 channel plane be flown and landed by using radio like a 3 channel?
I mean not bothering with the flaps until knowlegable enough.
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YES .... BUT .... you would not connect rudder on your model. You would pin the rudder straight.

In place of rudder - you would connect ailerons in their place to give you the turn capability.

So your 4ch plane would now be :

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Ailerons

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It would help if we knew the details of the airplanes and radio systems you are refering to (or may want to buy).

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It would help if we knew the details of the airplanes and radio systems you are refering to (or may want to buy).

...The Bum
I would like this one,but I'm like a kid in a candy store and know nothing about them.

http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/.../HCAA2505.html
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Originally Posted by zzlentz View Post
I would like this one,but I'm like a kid in a candy store and know nothing about them.

http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/.../HCAA2505.html
for a beginner Starting out with RC, that would be a Nice 3rd or 4th plane, it has a short 35" wing span and no dihedral, something to look forwards to later after the basics are learned.

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I would like this one,but I'm like a kid in a candy store and know nothing about them.

http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/.../HCAA2505.html
Like the lady says, not a good beginner airplane (but very beautiful).

Unfortunately, most starter airplanes are more function than form. But remember that if you are sucessful at first, you will have the confidence and skill to move up to airplanes more to your liking. If you trash a beautiful, but inappropriate airplane, you may never enjoy the hobby as much as you could have.

Perhaps the most popular "teach yourself" airplane out there is the Champ.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HBZ4900

It is small yes, but practically flys itself and you can fly it in your driveway every night after work. It will give you a LOT of stick time.

Another possibility is this one.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HBZ7300
If you never turn on the junky Anti Crash technology, you will really like it.

Then there is this...
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFL4800
While no one recommends this for a "teach yourself" situation, with a flight instructor and the NACA Droops on the wings it is a VERY docile flyer. The beauty of this airplane is it can take your from beginner through intermediate aerobatic pilot. This is a great airplne that is overlooked many times when we talk about beginner airplanes.

Lots of choices. Do you have a budget in mind?

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Like the lady says, not a good beginner airplane (but very beautiful).

Unfortunately, most starter airplanes are more function than form. But remember that if you are sucessful at first, you will have the confidence and skill to move up to airplanes more to your liking. If you trash a beautiful, but inappropriate airplane, you may never enjoy the hobby as much as you could have.

Perhaps the most popular "teach yourself" airplane out there is the Champ.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HBZ4900

It is small yes, but practically flys itself and you can fly it in your driveway every night after work. It will give you a LOT of stick time.

Another possibility is this one.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HBZ7300
If you never turn on the junky Anti Crash technology, you will really like it.

Then there is this...
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFL4800
While no one recommends this for a "teach yourself" situation, with a flight instructor and the NACA Droops on the wings it is a VERY docile flyer. The beauty of this airplane is it can take your from beginner through intermediate aerobatic pilot. This is a great airplne that is overlooked many times when we talk about beginner airplanes.

Lots of choices. Do you have a budget in mind?

...The Bum
Money is no object around my house,I can't find it anywhere so 200 and under.
That T34 is a little expensive. Too small to live in!!
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Money is no object around my house,I can't find it anywhere so 200 and under.
That T34 is a little expensive. Too small to live in!!
First of all, you referred to me as "expert" in another thread. That I am NOT! I'm just a newly recruited addict to this wonderful hobby with itchy fingers that I can't keep from replying to threads.

The Champ is yours for 90 bucks and comes with everything you need, including AA batteries. Use the remaining 110 bucks to buy glue and spare parts. If you make sure there's no wind on your first flight, you're very likely to have at least some success. The only downside is the way it (doesn't) handle wind. With a few flights under your belt, you can fly it in 5mph, but it's more a struggle against the wind than it is enjoyable flying.

Since I'm a techie and radio nerd, I love the fact that the Champ comes with a real DSM2 radio. Many find the stock TX a little small and "gamy". If you're really serious about getting into the hobby, an nice combo might be to get the Champ and the Phoenix Simulator that comes with a DX5e transmitter. That transmitter hooks up beautifully to your Champ and gives you the pride and joy of looking like a real pro on the field, rather than a kid with a video game controller... The Phoenix Sim will be an invaluable tool for practicing various maneuvers and for getting used to tricky situations and how to get yourself out of them, all without the expense and heartache of messing up real planes.

In terms of looks, the Champ is one little looker and is very close to "scale". I don't think you can find a better looking trainer...

I don't want to come across as standing on a soap box pushing for the Champ. I think all the suggestions you've gotten so far will work just fine. It's all a matter of personal preference. The Champ just happened to work for me.

Bottom line is: If you refrain from getting a plane that's too difficult for a beginner, take it nice and slow during your first flights, resist the urge to fly when it's too windy and, most important of all, have a lot of patience and realize that you WILL crash and break things, you'll be fine and end up just as addicted as the rest of us. I've been doing this for only a few months, and I already have my eyes on my fifth plane (the ParkZone Ultra Micro Mosquito...). SO BEWARE!!!!

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If you have taken one out of the box it came in,you're an expert to me!!

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http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HBZ7300
If you never turn on the junky Anti Crash technology, you will really like it.
I really don't like the tx that comes with the Cub.
1) It's 27MHz (which is essentially a dead technology),
2) it has a weird left hand control,
3) it lacks a trainer port
4) and my tx has some bug that kills the batteries if I leave it off for a few days without taking the batteries out.

In hindsight, what I should have done is to buy the BNF (bind-and-fly, i.e. you supply your own tx) version of the Super Cub and combined it with the Phoenix/DX5e package. That way you have an awesome simulator, state-of-the art radio technology, a transmitter you can use with your simulator AND with a buddy box (which you can't do with the 27Mhz stock one). Also, that tx will work will the whole range of BNF planes from ParkZone/HobbyZone/other Horizon brands. You'll probably want to upgrade to a DX6i or DX7i after a while, but at least you're not stuck with a sub-par tx that you can only use with one single plane.

And last, but not least, I do believe the BNF version lacks the dreadful ACT...

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And last, but not least, I do believe the BNF version lacks the dreadful ACT...
Not a chance-ACT is a marketing gimmick. It sells lots of planes.....and > lots of parts.
From their website:

ACT and X-Port function:
The receiver included in the Super Cub LP BNF is a 2.4GHz DSM2 receiver/ESC unit. It must be partnered with a full range DSM2 transmitter. It is equipped with throttle, elevator, rudder and aileron function.

For most of the DSM2 transmitters, channel 5 will activate ACT, while channel 6 will activate the X-Port function.

For the Spektrum DX5e transmitter, the trainer switch will activate the X-Port function.

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Ok. So just tape the ch 5 switch in the off-position...

ACT is really idiotic in a self-righting plane like the Super Cub. As long as you fly 3 mistakes high, just letting go of the stick for a coupel seconds gets you out of (almost) any situation. And if you're not 3 mistakes high, ACT won't have enough time to get you out of trouble anyway (trust me on this, I've tried it... More times than I'd like to admit)

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One question and a comment.

Do you have any experience flying any sort of remote controlled plane?

The two most critical criteria for a "first plane" is that it should maximize flying time and minimize repair time/cost. IMHO, even 2 channel thrust vector Air Hogs have their place because they are nearly indestructible, teach orientation and are not intimidating.

I think a lof of us forget some of of our first planes / experiences and are recommending some of the second and third planes to neebies as their first planes. (also allow you to invest $30 on a first plane before springing for $75 for a second and then $175 for your third plane)

I started on a two channel thrust vector plane because it was cheap and it actually got off the ground. I graduated to a HobbyZone Challenger (AB3) because it was pucker prop, V tail and had a very tough fuse. (I still prefer to teach neebies to fly on ab3 because repairs are less expensive due to pusher prop design)

Again lots of opinions. Mine is that the ideal first plane that you outgrow and pass along to some other neebies and buy your second and hid planes with more power and control.

OMT - I started my 8 year old son on a Hobbyzone Commander II (2 channel) and he literally flies circles around some of the other pilots at the park flying 3&4 channel planes and he always lands it on a designated runway in one piece.


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Hi Clint,
I've never flown anything other than a frisbie.And didn't throw it very well.
I've sunk over $500 in this already,7 or 8 planes,2 and 3 channel,and spare parts and I haven't even taken them out of the boxes yet.
It's going to be a long summer for sure.
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Hi Clint,
I've never flown anything other than a frisbie.And didn't throw it very well.
I've sunk over $500 in this already,7 or 8 planes,2 and 3 channel,and spare parts and I haven't even taken them out of the boxes yet.
It's going to be a long summer for sure.
sounds like a FUN Summer to me ! bubsteve

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