2nd plane after Champ

[Saddlebum]

Originally Posted by doxiedad

My brother in law suggested that if i start getting bored, or complacent with the champ I can increase my throws some by moving the pushrods from the outermost hole in 1 or 2 holes and try that. Cheaper than getting a plane I'm not ready for.

How easy can the T-28 be flown without expo on a DX5e? I think I might need to look into a DX6i when i step up to 4 channel.

The DX5 has "Dual Rates" so you can set small throws on Low Rate. It will not be as easy as small throws PLUS expo, but it certainly is manageble.

...The Bum

[NJSwede]

Originally Posted by doxiedad

My brother in law suggested that if i start getting bored, or complacent with the champ I can increase my throws some by moving the pushrods from the outermost hole in 1 or 2 holes and try that. Cheaper than getting a plane I'm not ready for.

That's what this guy did. Pretty wild flying! (Although I don't condone flying close to pets like that)

Hobbyzone Champ crazy flying

[doxiedad]

on a side note, how well does the regular size t-28 or p-47d sized planed fly slowly? How much space do I need to fly one of them? Can they land in grass?

[rcers]

Originally Posted by doxiedad

on a side note, how well does the regular size t-28 or p-47d sized planed fly slowly? How much space do I need to fly one of them? Can they land in grass?

The larger T-28 is one of the best flying planes I have ever flown. Quite an accomplishment since I have been at it for over 33 years.

It slows very well, is a touch and go machine and lands in short grass with no issues.

You will need a football field size plus a little more overly area to be comfy with this plane.

You will be hard pressed to find a nicer flying plane.

But it does fly faster than the Champ - but so does almost everything.

Mike

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by NJSwede

That's what this guy did. Pretty wild flying! (Although I don't condone flying close to pets like that)

Hobbyzone Champ crazy flying

Yikes! That is one sweet flier. Now I question whether you'd be happy with a J-3 Cub micro. From what I've seen and experienced it looks to me like the Champ flies better.

[cbatters]

Nice flying but you cannot compare T28 to the champ. T28 needs to be flown above tree level. Every "champ" style bounce/crash would require repair to the T28. Next step up for speed and scale would be a SuperCub. Flying a T28 down to this slow will cause it to stall and fall out of the sky. T28 wil carve turns whereas the champ swoops and carves turns.

I suggest you take a look at eBay to see the difference in flight style between Champ, SuperCub and the T28. All great palms just different.



Clint

[Rockin Robbins]

And another vote for "a larger plane (Super Cub, Apprentice, Falcon EP) would fly better than a micro." Acknowledging the quirks of a micro, I'm still in doxiedad's corner of just irrationally liking micros! Crazy I guess...

I have to wonder how the Champ can be so darned durable compared to other micros that don't weigh any more or fly better. Sounds like the Trojan is a bit more fragile than it should be but darn, I own a Vapor so I'm used to that. Cbatters, I'll just take your advice on how to fly it.

[NJSwede]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

And another vote for "a larger plane (Super Cub, Apprentice, Falcon EP) would fly better than a micro." Acknowledging the quirks of a micro, I'm still in doxiedad's corner of just irrationally liking micros! Crazy I guess...

(All the "I'm a noob who doesn't know what he's talking about" disclaimers apply).

Is "better" really the word to use here? I'd prefer "different". I have a Champ and a Super Cub. In theory, they are very similar designs, apart from the scale factor. They fly completely differently, though. I love the Champ because it's extremely responsive to my stick movements. Whatever I tell it to do it does right away. If I'm flying too close to a tree, I can give it full rudder and it pretty much turns on a dime. However, the more wind, the more twitching and the more you have to chase the plane instead of flying it.

The Super Cub, on the other hand, is a lot more stable and docile and handles wind a lot better (see caveat below). With the factory setup of the rudder throws, it felt like flying a 500 ft oil tanker. I had to drag the thing around the turns. Since it's a little faster and turns slower, flying it takes more planning. It handles wind much better, though. (Caveat: Since the wings are so thick and it's fairly slow turning, turning it into the wind can take forever when you have to overcome all that drag).

So, two completely different styles of planes. I wouldn't say one is better, though.

[rcers]

Originally Posted by NJSwede

I love the Champ because it's extremely responsive to my stick movements. Whatever I tell it to do it does right away.

The Super Cub, on the other hand, is a lot more stable and docile and handles wind a lot better (see caveat below).

You MUST get a T-28 (bigger one). You have no idea what you are missing. It balances both of those. Responsive and stable.

Trust me.

Mike

[NJSwede]

It's on the agenda, Mike!

[Rockin Robbins]

NJSwede, I'm just saying that being better in the wind and not as twitchy is better for beginners than the snappier behavior of the little plane, not that one is a better flying experience or more fun than the other. I guess I meant better for the beginner because it's easier to fly.

Also the larger plane is much more durable!

However, I think that the additional stick time you get with a plane you can walk out your front door and fly if you have ten minutes offsets the easier flying attributes of the larger plane that you might have to travel to fly. You can just get hours and hours more flying time than you would with the larger plane. And they are pretty cheap to fix.

Then when you DO get the large one, you'll really enjoy it!

[cbatters]

T28 is great plane but everything is on fast forward and the crashes can be costly. Also critical to fly at 75'-100' high to give the pilot a chance to recover.. Another sweet second plane if you want to try your hand at soaring is the Radian. Does not require the reaction time of a T28 but is a lot of fun to fly and is a cloud pleaser.



Clint

[NJSwede]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Also the larger plane is much more durable!

Hmmm... My Champ must have been lucky. It has a slight crack on the rudder fixed with some invisible tape. The SuperCub, on the other hand, is pretty much a bag of foam crumbles held together with epoxy and packing tape...

[Rockin Robbins]

The Champ is poster boy for durable micros. To my knowledge it is by far first in class. The Trojan, on the other hand, according to some is laughably fragile.

I saw one review comparing the strength of the cheap champ to the expensive UM Extra 300. The Extra 300, at the same weight (actually just a tiny bit lighter) than the Champ didn't even have the strength to support its own weight with the ends of both wings balancing the plane on top of two Coke bottles without severe deformation and almost certain damage. The Champ supported its own weight AND two wireless computer mice. The weight of those two mice just folded up the Extra 300, breaking the wing in two places.

The flimsy Extra 300 is more typical of micro construction than the just as light, but many times stronger Champ. You can't use the Champ as an example of typical micro durability. It's just too good!

That begs the question of why the others are so poor, especially if they are no lighter.

[NJSwede]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

The Champ is poster boy for durable micros. To my knowledge it is by far first in class. The Trojan, on the other hand, according to some is laughably fragile.

Hmm... Didn't know that. I was kind of expecting something along the lines of the Champ in terms of durability.

[winggunner46]

For what it is worth:

I started with the Champ, the little one.

I then purchased a Dynam Sky Trainer, the smaller one with about 37" wing span.

Next came a Dynam A-10 Wart Hog with a an extra air frame only as this was quite cheap, $45.00 or so, and I expect to need replacements.

Last one is the CHAMP 15e ARF. NOW this is a plane. The finish is SUPER. I followed their list to trick it out.

As yet I have ONLY crashed the little Champ. Hung in one tree, but was able to get it out with a .22 scoped rifle (I live in SC and you are allowed to fire whatever you want on your own property), civilized don't you know. Eat your heart out you guys that live in the UK and Austrailia LOL

NO, I do not have a pick-up truck nor the stars and bars in the rear window. But I am SCV, SUVCW, and SAR or so I am told, on my mothers side. Father's side was from East Tennessee and both my GGFather's served in the same Union Calvary unit.

The reason I have not crashed any of the others is that I have not flown them

Recovering from a shattered ankle for over two years now and difficult chasing them down.

[dkrhardy]

You haven't flown any of them? Just the small Champ? Jeeez. I was hoping for a good honest review of them compared to our (I have 1 too) super little Champ.

[winggunner46]

The desire is there, but my outings have to be planned. Still hobbling around with the left leg in a "Crowe" boot.
I have the Dynam Sky Trainer ready to fly. Tomorrow we are expected to get snow so it might be a good time.
We'll see how it goes.

OneEyedJack and the Dawg

[NJSwede]

My UM T-28D arrived today. Unfortunately it arrived along with a lot of wind. Not sure when I can destroy... I mean... maiden it...

[Rockin Robbins]

Well, that's the major disadvantage of micros: they attract wind!

[dkrhardy]

They do, don't they? I can drive 1/4 mile to where I fly it and the breeze has already gotten stronger.

[NJSwede]

...which starts to make me think I need something in my fleet that can handle a little more wind... Don't think I'm ready for pusher-jets. Maybe a Radian? Or a Radian Pro? (Looks like the taxman is going to have a little present for me this year...)

[lucas2696]

An Easystar would be good, essentially a power glider, but it's really easy to hop up.

[Rockin Robbins]

Here's a vote for a Radian, a unique airframe that flies like no other!

[NJSwede]

Ok. Next question: Pro or not?