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Old 02-09-2011, 05:25 PM   #1
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2nd post here. Coming from the heli field and can fly pretty well FP and CP helis (minor 3D, but nothing fancy) and have flown full scale years ago a Cessna 172 (lost medical). Also, I can pretty much fly the wings off anything in the Phoenix sim (yes I know it dont translate 1 to 1 to real flight, learned that with the helis). Add to that I used to be a fairly good glider pilot back some years ago, anyone remember the Oli II (Olympic II) that should date the timeline? So, based on this, given the nerves factor, what are the odds I wont re-kit my Trojan on the first battery. Plan is to get her up, trim as needed, fly some simple circuits, and hopefully not (pun intended) "fly the wings off it". No video camera unfortunately so all I can do is before and after pictures.

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When?!?
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Don't think you will have much trouble, remember the rudder is much less effective than your Heli world, but you should be fine.



It is watching the plane fliers transition to heli's that is funner. LOL

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Soon, wanna come watch?

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Hello Brian,
The rudder may not be as touchy as your heli's, but believe me it is still plenty touchy. A "little dab will do you." Does that date me? If you remember that line we are the same generation! For those that are thinking I'm being a bit strange, I'll tell you that was from a famous old commercial.
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Hello Brian,
The rudder may not be as touchy as your heli's, but believe me it is still plenty touchy. A "little dab will do you." Does that date me? If you remember that line we are the same generation! For those that are thinking I'm being a bit strange, I'll tell you that was from a famous old commercial.
Thanks for the tip and yes I remember the commercial well. Never used and Bryl-creem my self though... too funny

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Good luck! I think you'll do great. Just remember, the T28 won't hover! Take it way up high on the first flight and slow it down while holding altitude until she stalls. Then 'remember' that speed and don't go that slow at landing. Keep some throttle on during the entire approach when landing.
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Agree with all that's been said above me.

Take a couple of deep breaths before you firewall the throttle and have a ball.

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My bet's on you! Take it one step at a time, stay high to learn the ropes and the old Oly II thumbs will return with a vengeance. Just remember that you don't hold the bank in a turn. Ah, that's one thing you've learned from the simulator though. You're covered.

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All;

Thanks for all the encouragement and tips, Just had 4 inches of snow here last night, hopefully it will melt away by the weekend. If I make it out this weekend I'll post a update of the joy or carnage or both..

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Keep the model away from you. Flying overhead makes me lose orientation and has lead to a few crashes for me.

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He flew an Oly II. He has PLENTY of experience flying high overhead. As soon as it happens his thumbs will remember.

I think his major problem will be determining the stall speed so he doesn't slow her down too much too close to the ground. Play with it three mistakes high and practice airspeed control on descent and using that engine to power you out of trouble before you even think about landing. You'll need to land with some throttle on until you touch down. Have a great time flying and let us know how you did!
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Ah.. I missed that part... Ok, so he'll be fine then!

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Rockin Robins,

Great tip, three mistakes high, I was going to do that instinctively I think, but its good to have it put in a phrase I can take with me to the pasture.

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P.S. The Oly II (wish I still had it and I see that someone still makes the kits) was a long time ago, but I still remember well.
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Originally Posted by rcers View Post
Don't think you will have much trouble, remember the rudder is much less effective than your Heli world, but you should be fine.



It is watching the plane fliers transition to heli's that is funner. LOL

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haha the "rudder is much less effective" that cracked me up!
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I had thought that a mistake close to the ground means less carnage when it hits! Then I read the wise words that the real flyers have written and the 3 mistakes high makes a lot more sense. The old adrenaline will get you going, but there is a chance to recover! When I have an "episode", it takes me a bit to calm down enough to take it out of high orbit!
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Take a big trash bag along just in case
Good idea, would make a great windsock... Just Kidding, I have one already in the truck, hopefully it stays there

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Well, yesterday although scattered showers around here, the wind was in the 5-10 range mostly staying in the 5 range. Packed up the T28 and headed out with 3 batteries and high hopes.

Taking into account all the good advice given here and other advice read through out the many RC sites on the net, I installed pack number 1, triple checked all control surfaces moved in the proper directions, double checked the radio to make sure all switches were in proper positions and in low rates, checked wind direction, pointed her into the wind and hit the throttle.

Man this thing is pretty fast, it climbed out nicely with a very small elevator input. I climbed to about 100-150 feet and started to make some trim observations. On the second circuit (using one of the many good tips) I add a few clicks of left aileron and a few clicks of down elevator (all at about 2/3 throttle) with my left hand, and she was trimmed perfectly.

Continued flying simple circuits for about 4 min total and then started some practice approaches. Once I was comfortable with the selected approach, I lined up a final time, cut the throttle and let her sink, once close, added a little power and let her settle onto the ground, it wasn't pretty, but it was up right and with no damage. Wooo Hooo, first flight and no crash.

Flew two more batteries, even did a few loops, two more up right landings and I call it a day.

All in all a good day, pretty much all observations on the model have been spot on, its not as stable as a trainer, but still very stable, fairly fast, will float into the next county on landing if you let it, and its an absolute hoot to fly.

Better start the 10 step program now before the addiction takes full hold.

Thanks for listening

Cheers Brian

P.S. Sorry, no pictures or video... But you have all seen a stock T28, and mine still looks just like a stock T28
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Told ya so.

It will fast become a favorite for you. It is a bit of a magic airplane. Congrats.
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Told ya so.

It will fast become a favorite for you. It is a bit of a magic airplane. Congrats.
Thanks,

A big part of it is that fact that an old guy can remember how to do something he did 30+ years ago and stil do it. "Im not as good as I once was, but Im as good once as I ever was.. " LOL

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Ha! I had that suspicion that you'd be just fine. It was that word "noob" in the thread title that was wrong. A "noob" is someone who knows nothing and chooses to ignore wise advice from others who have already made the mistakes he is about to. We have an infamous parallel thread by a noob. You are most pointedly not a noob.

At worst, you are a "newb," a person with no knowledge who is honest about their lack of ability to come in out of the rain, but who diligently studies rain, various shelters and means of movement from rain to shelter. When he encounters rain he will not get too wet.

However, because of your previous Oly II experience, I'd term you a returning warrior, one with understandable caution, but with wisdom that comes from remembered survival in a primitive environment. You were an excellent bet for success here.

But noob, newb or returning warrior, you are toast. No twelve step program, no course of hypnosis, no nasty recreational drugs can save you now. You are a hopeless RC zombie and your wife (if any) is an official RC widow. The best she can do is catch the addiction too.

You have my sympathy. Fly well my friend!
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Thanks for the kind words Rockin Robbins.

Wife was actually there (she actually bought the T28 for me as a valentines gift). I prepared her for the worst case. During the flights all I could hear her say was " OH WOW" "THATS SO COOL", then when I did the loops she reminded me take it easy big boy.

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Thanks,

A big part of it is that fact that an old guy can remember how to do something he did 30+ years ago and stil do it. "Im not as good as I once was, but Im as good once as I ever was.. " LOL

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I can see from the lyrics that you are a fan of Nashville. How exactly "rural" is the part of Tennesse you are from?

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I can see from the lyrics that you are a fan of Nashville. How exactly "rural" is the part of Tennesse you are from?
Not far from the western end of 840

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