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Old 03-31-2011, 12:57 PM   #1
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Guys,

I went for it, and purchased a kit from Skyshark RC. This will be my most ambitious build yet. I have only done minimal sheeting work, and this kit is designed to be fully sheeted. Should be an interesting challenge for me.

The kit came beautifully and securely packaged, with excellent balsa and laser cut parts. It also has very high quality cowl, plastic parts, and fixed gear components. I will definitely be installing retracts.

I need to get some preparation materials before I start this kit, but I am looking forward to digging in. I do have a feeling this one is going to take me some time. The plane is also designed for gas...of course I will be converting to electric. I will mostly stay with the plans, but I will deviate in a few places, including dual aileron servos, and will need to lighten up the tail of the plane a bit. I will probably sheet the rear of the plane with 1/32 balsa instead of the 1/16 the plans call for. The Hawker has a very short nose area and it will be very tail heavy with the electric set up unless I modify slightly.

The only thing about the kit that I was a bit disappointed about was that I thought the kit came with decals, but I misread the website. It says, "available with decals". I contacted Mike, the owner, who is very helpful, but he said that they do not offer decals. I guess I will need to contact Callie Graphics and see what she can do for me. If anyone has suggestions about where to get some 1/9 size decals it would be appreciated.

I will update this post as I start my build. Here's a few pics of the kit.

Thanks!

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Old 03-31-2011, 01:04 PM   #2
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She's gonna be a beauty. Can't wait to see the progress on this one.

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Love the Tempest and Typhoon.
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Old 03-31-2011, 07:15 PM   #4
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Hi Forge
Pleased to meet you
For decals try here
http://www.eaglestrikeproductions.com/
Cant wait to see more of the build
Take care
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Old 03-31-2011, 10:45 PM   #5
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Guys,

Thanks for the comments. I do really like the look of the Tempest lines too.

Hey Hank, thanks for the suggestion on the decals, but unless I am missing something they all look like they are for very small scale models, only as large as 1/24.

I hope to start digging into the build this weekend.

Have a great evening.

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Originally Posted by Forge View Post
Guys,

Thanks for the comments. I do really like the look of the Tempest lines too.

Hey Hank, thanks for the suggestion on the decals, but unless I am missing something they all look like they are for very small scale models, only as large as 1/24.

I hope to start digging into the build this weekend.

Have a great evening.

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Hi Forge
So sorry wrong link
Heres the right one
http://www.pyramidmodels.com/shop/
If you dont see what you want they will custom design and print it
I see you live in CT as well which part? and welcome neighbor
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:40 AM   #7
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Hello Forge, I see you went ahead and got it. Should be an enjoyable build. Someday I need to do something like this, as I have an AXI 2826-12 sitting around never used, after giving away my 50" unflown FW190 scratch build.

Tower Hobbies has Major Decals in both what they call "40" and "60" sizes. I believe that 1 of the 2 sizes would be correct for your plane.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXZ823&P=SM
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Old 04-10-2011, 02:16 PM   #8
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Guys,

Just a quick update to my build... Clamped down an old door to my smaller to table to enlarge my workspace.

Nothing out of the ordinary so far. The balsa in this kit, laser cutting, instructions and plans are top rate. The tail feathers went together without too much trouble. I did sheet the elevator stab with thinner 1/32 balsa to keep it light as possible...still feels plenty strong.

I'll tell you what...after working with laser cut wood, I really respect you guys who build from scratch. I've done a fair amount of customization on most of my builds, but to cut every piece from a sheet must take forever

Thanks for looking! Hope everyone has a great weekend.

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ps. Bill and Hank, thanks for the suggestions on the decals.


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Old 04-11-2011, 06:49 PM   #9
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Nice build forge ,my building table has grown from 8ft to almost 18 ft so i know how you feel. The tail feathers look good forge,iam sighned up for your build. keep up the great work . There is only one place i shop for graffics http://www.callie-graphics.com/index.php She will custom make anything and she is nice on the prices. joe
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Old 04-12-2011, 01:04 PM   #10
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Joe,

Thanks for the compliment....and, an 18' table would be nice. Wow, what are you building, full size planes?

Here's the latest updates to my build. Started the center section of the wing. I need to order my retracts sooner than I expected

Again, the laser work is excellent. Nice lighten holes in all the ribs to cut down on overall weight. Checking to make sure everything is square, the only real adjustment so far was having to dremel an angle in the support area for the retract and spar. I had to pull the assembly off the board to do this...if I realized it beforehand it would have made things a bit easier (see photo). Otherwise, no big deal.

Just make sure to measure the height of both spar tips, want to make sure both outer wing sections have the same dihedral. (I do need a flatter work surface)

Thanks for following along.

Have a great day all!

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Old 04-12-2011, 02:30 PM   #11
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Lol I have worked on full size aircraft building wing ribs and such but building large rc planes with 100 inch wings or more ,i need room for other parts of the plane just to be put out of the way where they wont get trashed. Then there is glue trays and sanding trays, tool trays to have room for also. With 18 feet of work top i can even build two or three planes at once if the building gods smile down at me . lmao One of my friends has a rc airplane work shop of 1500 sq ft and two 8 ft rolling tables and tool work top is 10 feet. When i grow up i want one just like his. lmao Your build is looking great forge ,keep it up. joe
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:45 AM   #12
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Good eve all,

It's been a few weeks since I posted the last update, but I have been pecking away at this build. I know it doesn't look like much progress, but it has been taking me a while to figure out how to prepare to sheet the center section. I especially want to make sure that the bottom sheet is set for cutting out the retract area. A lot of planning...at least for me. And my 6 year old has decided that he wants to build a balsa plane too, so we have a second build on the board with a Guillows P40 kit. ...we'll see if this one ends up electric or rubber band.

One question for the builders out here, I made an acetate template for the bottom sheeting where I will cut out my wheel well and retract areas. The acetate template fits the bottom perfectly. Should I cut out the well wheels before gluing down the sheeting or cut them once I glue the sheet down? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks!

Anyway, here's the center section progress laid out in the shots below.

Thanks, have a great evening.

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I always cut mine out after sheeting it helps hold every else together and you have to glue balsa to the finished sheeting anyways around the wheel wells. Just my 2 cents .She is looking great forge and it makes me happy to see you take time out to build with your son also ,if you and me keep teaching our little guys to build they will teach there little ones and the hobby will gain more and more builders. joe
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Ladies and Gents,

I hope everyone is well.... Just a few pictures of the latest updates to my build.

Trimmed out my template for the landing gear, transferred it to the sheeting, mounted the electric retracts and sheeted the bottom of the wing center. Prepping for the outer wing area...


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If anyone has a tip for sheeting it would be greatly appreciated. Sheeting the top of the wing is easy for me. Start at the front and glue it down in steps as you press it down along the rib tops. You can glue it from the underside (easy).

As you glue down the bottom sheet, you can't glue from the backside of the ribs, as the top is already covered. I had to really struggle to get the glue on the ribs quickly enough and then hold down the sheeting as it dried....there has to be an easier way to make sure the sheeting is nicely flush and tightly glued.

Thanks for looking and any input on sheeting techniques.

Thanks!

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I wet the balsa with amonia and water mix just a little amonia then shape it by hand holding close to the wing shape . Then use tight bond 2 on the wing ribs and the leading edge and trailing edge .I then place the sheeting and either hold with weights ,pins , tape or clamps or all of them. If you just spray the balsa with that mix you can bend balsa almost in a circle forge ,try it with a scrap piece . My 3 inch cowls for my sea plane i made by wetting balsa and bending in a cone shape and gluing the ends together. Hope this helps forge. joe
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Forge,

I missed this thread. But I'm glad I found it. You are off to a good start as usual. The Tempest is one of my favorite WWII birds.

I too have struggled with sheeting at times. Using a slow dry glue while tapeing, clamping, setting a book on it..... Anything to keep everything flush. Preforming the sheeting by wetting, rubber-banding/clamping then allowing to dry, has helped me as well.

I've never built a plane that's this heavy. Any ideas on your power system yet? Also, what retracts are you using? I have just bought a small electronic set from Hobby King for a MM Firestorm. That plane will be about 1/2 the weight listed for this one.

One last, but most important, question. How's your son's P-40 coming??

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Joe, Steve,

Good morn and thanks for the input on sheeting. I appreciate the advice, slow setting glue totally makes sense. I will need to sheet my outer wing section soon, so I'l let you know how it goes.

I'm not 100 % sure about the power set up yet. I thinking about a scorpion 3026 motor with a 4s battery for somewhere between 800 and 1000 watts of power. This build is a custom conversion as the plans call for gas.

The retracts are e flite eflg 300. Not as cheap as the H King stuff, but the work really nice.

The p40 will likely end up as rubber band power and is still on the becnch. always tryin to have fun.

Thanks guys!!

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Forge you have found my weak spot when picking out motors ,thats why i came to this site in the fist place. If it does not tell me what size motor on the box or on the plans i dont have a clue and i will be the first to admitt it. Keep going forge she is shaping up well . joe
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Well, here's the latest updates to my build... been pecking away at my wing the past few weeks in between all the other responsibilities and passions that I have. But, I am enjoying the time in my basement cave constructing.

...I don't know if any of you other builders feel the way I do, but I just love the touch of the wood in my hand and especially the way the sheeting feels once you lay it down...just a fantastic tactile sensation. Kind of hard to exactly describe, I guess I might describe it as passion...anyway sorry for the diversion.

Been building my wing and making some slow progress. Trying to bend a curve into the 1" x 3/8" leading wing edge is very challenging. Soaked the balsa in wood and ammonia for 24+ hours, then laid weights on it and it is still tough to curve without breaking, but I finally got it to comply.

Still have some sheeting, mounting of servos, sanding and filling to go, but I am enjoying myself... and it's starting to look like a Tempest wing.

Oh, I've also included photos of one of my other passions, landscape painting. Last week I set up my easel on location at Connecticut's only National Park, Weir Farm... It was a beautiful day to paint and drink wine.

Thanks for looking.

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Good morn. I hope everyone is well.

Just another photo update to my slowly progressing build. I haven't finished sheeting and final shaping of the wing, but I couldn't help myself and felt compelled to start work on the fuselage. The plans call for 1/16" sheeting but I have opted to sheet the fuselage with 1/32" balsa rear of the wing. I hope this isn't a mistake. I understand that this is a tail heavy bird and I am trying to lighten her up in the rear to minimize adding any dead weight up front....we'll see

Anyway, I am enjoying myself and learning more with each step. Thanks!

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She looks great forge and i see you are getting the hang of bending balsa to shape. My plans called for 1/16 on my cowls for my solent but i did the same as you and used thicker balsa because i knew i would sand a hole in them if i didnt or putting my fat thumbs through them crossed my mind also . Cant wait for the next up date forge. Ps if you do ever get a deap ding in your sheeting and worried about sanding through ,put a damp piece of cloth on it and touch with a hot covering iron for a second and it will swell it up fast back to where it was or you might have to sand it down a bit. Try it on a scrap piece and see if you like. Looking good. joe
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Forge,

Looking real good. The sheeting looks great in the pictures. This is definitely a more involved build than the Mountain Models/Stevens Aeromodel planes I like to build. You actually have to try to get things straight!

Now, how do I hire you to come paint some scenes at our flying field in a state park?? I had to chase a turtle off of the middle of the field the last time I flew there!

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Joe, thanks for the comments, I appreciate your suggestions for repairing sheeting. And, Thanks for sharing, I haven't heard that one before. I will try it as I have a few dings here and there. I'll let you know how it goes.

Ps. Your seaplane is looking great!!! I look forward to seeing her go airborne...

Steve, thanks for the compliment too. I'm having fun. And, this is bit more challenging build than the MM kits I've built. But they're all fun. I'd love to paint in MI, we have great country.... and I've brought my easel all over the states and abroad. The turtle sounds fun too

Ps what are working on now?

Thanks!

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Forge i did not learn that trick building models but in my early years of playing pool for money,I would get nicks on my viking cue stick and putting a wet rag and then touching with a hot iron would swell it so i could sand smooth and not feel the nick sliding through my fingers any more. I slowed playing pool and hanging in pool halls but when building a model one time i had nicks on my leading edge so i figured what the hay and tried the old cue stick trick and it worked on balsa also. I tried programing my sea plane 2 days ago and i found out i put in retract servos in my wing for ailiron servos instead of regular ones.DAAAAAAAAH Retract servos dont return to neutral when you let go of the stick ,they just stay were you stop left or right. I have a 2 day water fun fly this weekend and i hope my low profile new hiteck servos get here before saterday. lol Your build is coming along well forge ,after a couple of these kits you will be able to make balsa slippers. lmao Oh ! loctite makes a gell glue called stick,n seal ultra it is water based drys clear and when puttng on windshields or canopys does noy run like rc56 glue does .I found it at home depo. joe
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Well it's kinda embarrassing.... I haven't posted an update to this build in nearly a year. I hit a mental wall in trying to figure out how to customize the battery area for the plane and just got stuck.

Well I am back, and I am committed to finishing this plane and making her fly... although the best intentions often go awry.

I customized a battery hatch although I wont have too much room to shift the battery for CG adjustment. I will use an aluminum spinner and heavy wooden four blade prop so I am hoping I will have enough weight in the nose so I wont have to use too much lead.

I have also probably bit off more than enough as I decided to add flaps as an afterthought to my build. More customization that I am working out...

I have been flying a lot of my older birds and wish I had more time to build....don't we all.

Anyway I have been lurking around this forum and hope everyone is doing great.

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