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Old 08-24-2011, 10:12 PM   #1
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Default Eva Bi-plane by Mountain Models first build

Well...the kit just arrived. Looks like a long project. Just curious what are those of you who have this plane using for motor and electronics. Mountain models suggests the GWS EPS 350 c- c motor. Is this a good suggestion? ( I have been using motors from Heads up rc and am happy). Suggestions appreciated!
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Nieuport Fly Guy,

I'm glad I found your build thread! Pretty soon I'll be out of town for a couple of weeks, so I'm not sure how often I'll be able to look in.

I like HeadsUpRc a lot too. The motor in my EVA Bipe is the 2830-11 from HeadsUp:
http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...s-motor/Detail

I use 1300 mAh 3S batteries and a GWS EP9050 prop and I have my timer set for 8:30. With pretty aggressive flying I'll have used up almost 80% of the battery at this time.

I have made a couple of minor modifications to mine. First, I added an extra piece of ply (1/16 or so thick) on the bottom of the fuselage where the landing gear attach. I have read that the landing gear could be a little stronger. I attached this extra piece with thick CA and used epoxy for the inside ply piece. Some people have switched to larger wheels and eliminated the wheel pants so it’s easier to fly off of grass. I still use both, but my larger wheels are what’s on most of the time because I’m flying mostly off of rough grass.

Try to keep your build light, but you don’t need to do anything special. Just build per the instructions and use SoLite or equivalent covering. You’ll be surprised how fast your build will go. Don’t force anything together. Just a light sanding of parts is needed if things are too tight. Also check the size of the holes in the ply wing attachment parts. The holes were a little small on mine and I had attched them to the wings before finding this out. Enlarging these holes so the 4x40 bolts slide thru is not easy when they are glued into the wings. One last piece of advice: Read the instructions twice, test fit, check again then glue only when instructed to do so.




You can see the extra ply piece under the covering. It probably doesn't need to be this big, but this has survived many bad landings. This is my EVA with the sport wing, but you can see the ply piece better in this photo.

I love my EVA Bipe! Good luck with your build!



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Steve...that motor is out of stock...but I have an email into Heads up. What servo brand and esc did you use?
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Well...the kit just arrived. Looks like a long project. Just curious what are those of you who have this plane using for motor and electronics. Mountain models suggests the GWS EPS 350 c- c motor. Is this a good suggestion? ( I have been using motors from Heads up rc and am happy). Suggestions appreciated!
Hey Nieuport, I'm using the Power UP 400 Sport from HeadsUpRc in my EVA and it flew great, that is until a lamp post jumped out in front on me!

It has plenty of power with this motor and i am using a GWS EP9050 prop as well. I have a PowerUp 25amp Esc but you can get away with a 20amp since this set up was only pulling 16amps on my watt meter. I use both the 1000mAh and 1300mAh 11.1v batteries from Headsup as well (1500mAh on the windy days).

Oh Servos I used Hitec HS-55 x2 (elev,rudder) and the SG-90 x2 for the Ailerons. But you can used all SG-90's for better torque (i wish i had)

I purchased new wings but havn't bothered putting them together just yet, too busy with all my other builds. I'll post pictures of it's completion when i'm done (you might be done 1st though) lol

Only other tip i have to addon is pay close attention to the wings when you get to that part... there is a right wing and left wing and you don't want to get them built backwards because of the dihedral. Also mind not to glue one of the servos in backwards like i did on my first attempt... lol ... and just remeber also, balsa can be very fragile if you push to hard on it, so no forcing pieces... good luck and don't forget to have fun doing it!!!

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The PowerUp 400 sport looks like a good match to me as well. I am using the HeadsUpRc PowerUp 20 Amp ESC and I have not had any issues at all. It's still going strong after 3 years of use.

I have HXT-900 HobbyKing servos in mine, but I have used the SG-90 on my MM P-51 and they have worked well. I really like the E-Max ES08MA servos in my Firestorm, those would be heavy for the EVA, but the EMax ES08A servos maybe nice.
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I have never used these, but I do like the metal gear version of this servo. Has anyone else used these?

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Default Re: Eva Bi-plane by Mountain Models first build

The PowerUp 400 sport looks like a good match to me as well. I am using the HeadsUpRc PowerUp 20 Amp ESC and I have not had any issues at all. It's still going strong after 3 years of use.

I have HXT-900 HobbyKing servos in mine, but I have used the SG-90 on my MM P-51 and they have worked well. I really like the E-Max ES08MA servos in my Firestorm, those would be heavy for the EVA, but the EMax ES08A servos maybe nice.
http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...sh---8g/Detail
I have never used these, but I do like the metal gear version of this servo. Has anyone else used these?

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I just so happen to be installing the ES08A's in my Canadair CL-415


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OK...here is what I decided on for the electronics...and have placed an order with Heads-up RC...

Power Up 400 Sport Outrunner Brushless Motor
Power Up 20 Amp Brushless Motor ESC
SERVO - 9g TP SG90 Sub Micro Servo

Then I also need covering and tools....so this is what I am thinking about....


LXB363 Coverite 21st Century Cover Sock
LXL447 Hobbico Precision #11 Blades (100)
LXPW70 Coverite 21st Century Sealing Irons Gift Pack(sealing iron and trim iron)
LXGDV9 Coverite 21st Century Microlite Red
LXGDV2 Coverite 21st Century Microlite White
LXGDV6 Coverite 21st Century Microlite Black

So... Is there anything I am missing on the covering?

I also will post soon pics of the kit as I go along...expect this to take us into late Fall, early winter!

Appreciate all your help...
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OK...here is what I decided on for the electronics...and have placed an order with Heads-up RC...

Power Up 400 Sport Outrunner Brushless Motor
Power Up 20 Amp Brushless Motor ESC
SERVO - 9g TP SG90 Sub Micro Servo

Then I also need covering and tools....so this is what I am thinking about....


LXB363 Coverite 21st Century Cover Sock
LXL447 Hobbico Precision #11 Blades (100)
LXPW70 Coverite 21st Century Sealing Irons Gift Pack(sealing iron and trim iron)
LXGDV9 Coverite 21st Century Microlite Red
LXGDV2 Coverite 21st Century Microlite White
LXGDV6 Coverite 21st Century Microlite Black

So... Is there anything I am missing on the covering?

I also will post soon pics of the kit as I go along...expect this to take us into late Fall, early winter!

Appreciate all your help...
Looks like it's all there except a "heat gun"... no required but makes things easier on occasion...

I couln't tell you if that brand is good or bad or cheap or expensive... I kind of cheated when i bought an entire collection of planes (approx 30+) and coating including the iron and everything for $500... i literally have 25-30 rolls of covering i don't know what to do with just yet.

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Your list looks good. Don't forget a prop or two as well. The kit had all of the needed hardware.

I assume you have the needed glue, sandpaper, building space/mat..... These are all easy local items anyway. From what I remember I used Thin and Thick CA, 5 min epoxy and wood glue for glues on this plane.

I only have a Sealing Iron and that has proved fine for me. I have used a hair dryer to shrink and work out warps as well.

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Your list looks good. Don't forget a prop or two as well. The kit had all of the needed hardware.

I assume you have the needed glue, sandpaper, building space/mat..... These are all easy local items anyway. From what I remember I used Thin and Thick CA, 5 min epoxy and wood glue for glues on this plane.

I only have a Sealing Iron and that has proved fine for me. I have used a hair dryer to shrink and work out warps as well.

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Thanks Steve for the suggestion....I do have all the other "stuff" as I have been assembling about 5 other bi-plane ARF kits already. I have about 30 props from 6" to 11" so no worries there...I may just cut down on expenses and use just the iron...and blow drier first. If that doesn't work I can always purchase later!
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Your list looks good. Don't forget a prop or two as well. The kit had all of the needed hardware.

I assume you have the needed glue, sandpaper, buil
Thanks Steve for the suggestion....I do have all the other "stuff" as I have been assembling about 5 other bi-plane ARF kits already. I have about 30 props from 6" to 11" so no worries there...I may just cut down on expenses and use just the iron...and blow drier first. If that doesn't work I can always purchase later!
Hair dryers work good too, just make sure its not one of those 1000watt suckers like my wife has that literally shriveled my coating into a piece of chewing gum! Test it first on the scraps...

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Here isthe kit out of the box...very nicely packed...simple...yet intimidating!! This will be a slow build (I also have several other plane projects going on)...but I did order the electronics. Still need to decide if I should purchase the coverings from Hobby King (great prices) or just go with a local distributor. Feedback on that one?


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Here are some photos of my Eva Bipe, http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...462380&page=76
Half way down the page. I used a motor from value hobby.com. http://www.valuehobby.com/product_de...28&item_id=159 . It's got more than enough power with a 9x6 prop, 1300-1500 batt. and 18 amp t'bird esc. extra battery weight helps in the wind. It's a light weight plane. You will like it.
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I've never tried any of the coverings from HobbyKing. What you want is a very light weight covering like SoLite or MicroLite. If HobbyKing sells something that's as light then you should be fine.

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Well started on the EVA build...read the instructions...laid out the kit...and started on the fuse....until I ran out of thin CA (only had a tiny bit)...great instructions. Wood seperates well and fits like a jig saw puzzle...(fits well)! Here are a few pics of the progress!


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Next step...working on the fuse and added the Turtledeck. The suggestion to wet the balsa to make it bend easier worked great. Here are the pics so far....


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Keep up the good work! It looks like things are going smoothly. I have always liked building with balsa. Building up the frame, tail and wings...and then finally setting all of the bare balsa parts together for a "Naked" plane.

I'll keep watching....

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Thanks Steve...appreciate the look and encouragement!
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Seems like days to get to this point...lots of busy work building the Rudder, Elevator, and canopy assembly. All in all, those steps probably took me about 5 hours to get to this point. Now that also includes my very first attempt dealing with covering the canopy with Solarite. Actually, not a bad process once I discovered that you had to remove the film first to get the material to bond to the balsa wood. Who know...was not in the directions. Anyway...I am happy so far with how it turned out.


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Seems like days to get to this point...lots of busy work building the Rudder, Elevator, and canopy assembly. All in all, those steps probably took me about 5 hours to get to this point. Now that also includes my very first attempt dealing with covering the canopy with Solarite. Actually, not a bad process once I discovered that you had to remove the film first to get the material to bond to the balsa wood. Who know...was not in the directions. Anyway...I am happy so far with how it turned out.
Yep the plastic will gum up your iron fast if you dont take it off,dont ask me how i know that. lol She looks great fly guy keep up the good work. joe
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Seems like days to get to this point...lots of busy work building the Rudder, Elevator, and canopy assembly. All in all, those steps probably took me about 5 hours to get to this point. Now that also includes my very first attempt dealing with covering the canopy with Solarite. Actually, not a bad process once I discovered that you had to remove the film first to get the material to bond to the balsa wood. Who know...was not in the directions. Anyway...I am happy so far with how it turned out.
Brings back memories... i might just dig out the new set of unbuilt bipe wings and put her back together again now!

Looks great so far...!!!!

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I've been thinking about buying that kit myself for a long time but I have such a stash of kits & a couple of big boxes full of plans already that I fear I'll never be able to build & fly them all

It may help you to rub the film with a used dryer sheet to remove any static before you try applying the film. It doesn't need to be hot or warm, just used.

Keep up the nice job of building your doing & Good Luck with the maiden.

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It's looking good so far!

Covering is a Love-Hate thing with me. It takes me a long time to get it done and the ultra light weight coverings can be a pain to use because they like to curl-up and stck to themselves... but more often than not I am pleased with the out come!

I often use two pieces of painters tape to pull the clear protective cover off of the covering. I am sure it mentioned in some of the covering tutorials here somewhere...


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It's looking good so far!

Covering is a Love-Hate thing with me. It takes me a long time to get it done and the ultra light weight coverings can be a pain to use because they like to curl-up and stck to themselves... but more often than not I am pleased with the out come!

I often use two pieces of painters tape to pull the clear protective cover off of the covering. I am sure it mentioned in some of the covering tutorials here somewhere...


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Painters tape...great idea!! Many Thanks...(I am waiting for the additional rolls of cover I ordered before I continue...they are in the mail)-Alan
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Here is where I am now...added the motor mount...and solite to the rear of the fuse. Now just waiting on delivery of covering for the rest of the fuse and the elevator etc. May start building the wings here soon...


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