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Old 03-11-2012, 03:31 PM   #1
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Following on from my Ultimate Biplane rebuild .... the Lanyu Me109 ( TW749 ) .... all foam parkflyer.

This has been a favourite of mine for more than a year, but dubbed the "Banana" in it's latter period, due to the repairs and general out of alignment the numerous repairs created. Even with hot-water, heat-gun, all means to keep as straight as possible - the foam was weak and slightest knock would collapse the cells and back to square, actually should say bent, one ...

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This is what I have now after her last vertical dive into the ground, believed caused by the failure of the fuselage in it's weakest area over the wing seat ...



Wing is fine ...





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As you can see this is going to be a serious project to rebuild. The front section that has broken away will be constructed from my favourite pink builders closed celll foam. A strong and sandable / carvable foam that is much better than the styrofoam of the original model.

Until I actually get knife and parts in hand to start ... I have idea to cut back the rear part of fuselage over the wing seat to create a scarf joint to join in the new. But before that - I shall lightly fix the old parts together to give me the wing seat shape to draw onto card.... for marking out new foam.
There will be a bamboo skewer inserted across the joints to brace and strengthen.
Motor mount will be rear pole type instead of the beam mount of the brushed version I had.

I hope people can follow this thread and if anything I do leads to others saving a model from the bin - putting it back in the air ... that's great.
I have a limited budget - I'm reconstructiing a 100yr old house - so economic flying is a must for me....

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OH boy, that is a project. I, for one, will be watching to se if you can make a silk purse out of a pigs ear! GOOD LUCK!
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It will take a bit of thinking while working - but that's how I work and I have a knack for sorting as I go. I also have ability to mentally view ways to fix something and what I think will be result ...

Lets see what comes .....

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Sorry but rebuild will be delayed a bit while that annoyance called work interferes for couple of weeks. At least it will give me time to think it through.
so till later ....

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OMG! WORK? I just recently retired, again, and forever. 44 yrs of air traffic control ... I'm done!
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I think my balsa planes are often more repairable. I admire your determination, but for me it would be the trash can. I'll follow this thread to see what happens. Good luck.
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I think my balsa planes are often more repairable. I admire your determination, but for me it would be the trash can. I'll follow this thread to see what happens. Good luck.

The Me109 I agree looks a real mess and initial reaction is "bin it" .... but when you look closer and consider it - with foam it's not such a big deal.
The wing seat is still there to copy when pieces are married together. Ignore the front end - the wing seat is important.
Total length of fuselage is easy to determine. General shape as well.
My thoughts are to cut a single block for the whole new section with hot-wire cutter. Not as in my Ultimate where I used my bench jigsaw to make blocks.
Once the wing seat form is cut - I then longitudinally horizontal cut the block. This allows me to then hollow out battery, ESC areas. The lower block then cut vertically to divide for sides of wing seat with of course material removed inside.
Basically I reckon to rebuild by creating a box structure. I will insert basswood spars into the length and across the spliced joint. These will also provide anchor for the motor mount as I did in the Ultimate, spreading the load into the airframe.
Biggest headache will be the cowl, as the original has a permanent surround to the motor, a real pain ! My idea is to cut this area of the above block, use cocktail stick pegs and magnets to align / hold in place around the rear star mount motor.... a 2610 200W RC Timer B/L ... on 3S.
Once I get back from assignment .... the thread will be livened up with photos / text of the rebuild.
I hope it inspires others to not give up on a model when it seems it's a bag of rubbish. There is always hope ... just needs a little thinking outside the norm !

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If you toss it, it is gone. If you rebuild it and it does not fly, same thing. BUT, there is a chance that your mad skills will let it fly again. Nothing ventured ... nothing gained. Go for it.
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Mad skills?
Interesting - I took it as my cheapskate nature! My wife reckons I am worlds biggest scrooge!
I always find it hard to give in, to bin something without at least trying. As you say, if it flies then i gain, if it doesnt then nothing lost.
I'll have a good try before I give up though.
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I hope my efforts can be a bit more pleasing to the eye than Frankenstein !

X-Acto ........... I had one of their early knife sets with various handles etc. Included a razor saw .....

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I have a wing, not used at the moment, that I call the Frankenwing. That is a good thing, it works!
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Go for it Nigel! I really enjoyed your Ultimate repair and you'll sort this out too.
Foam is actually so easy to repair isn't it? Best example I saw was a club mate who totaled his Art Tech P-51, collected all the pieces of foam into a bag and took them home. I know this guy is an amazing scratch builder in his own right but even I was surprised when he carefully assembled all the pieces using white wood glue ( which did dry) and a few pieces of scrap foam and some spackle.
It looked fantastic, almost like new, and flew very well indeed.
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White wood glue - PVA is actually a very good glue and vastly under-rated for our hobby. In wood bashing days - it was the glue to use to avoid weight build up and have a joint that wasn't rock hard like epoxy / CA.
I buy it in DIY shops in a litre size, sold for furniture assembly.

It's also the 'liquid' that builders use to seal plaster work / walls before covering etc. It's a marvelous glue.

Only problem is drying time as it is an evaporating format. But wipe of excess with damp rag etc.

The ME109 will be rebuilt .. just got to get home again from another assignment ! Seems as soon as I have a project - I'm away again.

Motor - RCTimer is waiting ... 8x6 props on the bench ... motor mount ready ... servos / Rx all there ... just needs the airframe.

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Nigel, I couldn't agree more. Evostick Resin W wood glue has been my glue of choice from my early balsa building days so when I started scratchbuilding from EPS foam I naturally used it. It actually has a quite rapid setting time and when used with granular foam it sets in depth very well.
One tip I saw on a TV modelling programme years ago was to use wood glue to join balsa and then to apply a drop of cyano to the joint after positioning it into place. The idea was that you can then carry on building as the cyano holds the parts together while the wood glue sets to give a good joint.
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The Ca trick has to be used carefully as I use it in fact. But you have to make sure the drop of CA is tiny so that it only tacks the end. Too much and it sets the glue further in the joint and makes it a hard lump that sticks to nothing ! I know to my misfortune.

The CA trick works with any glue joint in fact ... epoxy, PVA, Elmers, etc.

The best and most economic PVA is like I say - furniture glue from local DIY shop ... you can even buy it in gallon plastic containers !

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Barry ... "Evostick Resin W wood glue" .. that's not PVA ?

Remember I live in Latvia and PVA is PVA ...........

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Nigel, I copied this from the Manufacturer's Description;-

"Evostik Resin 'W' Wood Adhesive

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A one-part PVA emulsion adhesive with exceptional bond strength, specially developed for wood. Suitable for all softwoods and hardwoods. For interior use. "

According to them it is PVA but if you mean that it's not available in Latvia and non specific builders PVA is all that is available then I bet it works just as well as I've used similar glue with no worries..
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Excellent ... it was the 'Resin' part of the title that threw me.

I like the Interior use only ... how often do we inflict unsuitable weather on our models ?

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Good point Nigel! There is an exterior version which is more expensive so I'm too tight to buy it.
Would do so if I was building a flying boat though!
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Good point Nigel! There is an exterior version which is more expensive so I'm too tight to buy it.
Would do so if I was building a flying boat though!
Once painted / covered would it really matter ?

Boats used to be built in Cascamite ... then they came out with Cascover resin ...

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Spot on Nigel, 21 years ago I built a couple of RC yachts using balsa construction, PVA glue and covered them in dope and tissue before painting with enamel paints. They survived many outings on the sea.
The kids have long grown up but the yachts are still in one piece.
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Spot on Nigel, 21 years ago I built a couple of RC yachts using balsa construction, PVA glue and covered them in dope and tissue before painting with enamel paints. They survived many outings on the sea.
The kids have long grown up but the yachts are still in one piece.
With my backgarden onto the river and private moorings ... a yacht would be nice, I mean smaller than the 4 I have now !





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