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Old 08-08-2012, 12:56 PM   #26
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Give us old farts a link cause i dont know what a Etana looks like Canuk. Thanks joe
Joe,

The Mountain Models Etana is a plane I keep considering as well.

http://www.mountainmodels.com/produc...roducts_id=217

Looks like a fun one to me! I hope someone builds one.

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Joe,

The Mountain Models Etana is a plane I keep considering as well.

http://www.mountainmodels.com/produc...roducts_id=217

Looks like a fun one to me! I hope someone builds one.

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Yea Steve it does look like a good plane to build and fly. I have never built a laser cut kit before but i have seen some, they are way ahead of thos old sig and pica kits i built 20 years ago. BTW i have been searching for a das,canard stick plan from the 80's and after 7 years of hunting it down i finaly found it 3 days ago. I am thinking about making it a lot lighter and converting to E-power and making a nitro one also ,here is one framed up. If any one wants pdfs of her ,pm me a email adress. joe


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Hi Frank, I'm building a plane right now. I should be able to finish it before Sept.29 and I'll start another one then.
Now I have to decide what the next one will be.

Just personal preference, I really like the X Acto or scapel #11 blade a lot.

If you have to carve something the X Acto #26 is real handy too.
Awesome! Thanks Paul. Your experience and knowledge in this endeavor is greatly appreciated.

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Old 08-08-2012, 05:25 PM   #29
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Ha Ha, no not a bad thing i had my moments defending the ama on rcu forums before i got burnt out and figuired out i was better off building and flying than dealing with the non ama haters. lmao I competed in pattern and pylon and a ama member for the same 35 years. joe
That's good to hear. I hear you about RCU's AMA forum. What a terrible place that is. Just a bunch of mad people who have nothing better to do that harass and attack other users and the AMA. All they want is to create drama and continue with recreational arguing with the uninformed users of that forum. It appears that their hobby is the AMA forum and not model aviation. Took me a year or so to figure that out before I canceled my RCU account. Yup, I am a slow learner.

Now, like you, I try to focus on areas of these RC forums where I can promote model aviation and share what I have learned with others. I have zero desire to participate in all that BS and refuse to get involved in all that drama on any forum. Life is too short to be caught up in that mess.

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Originally Posted by con244 View Post
I'd like to follow along as well! Have been building balsa planes since I was 13 years old (40yrs ago). Was taught a lot of the basics from a master builder who used to win comps for his scale control line planes. Not going to build this time but would like to offer advice if required.
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Sounds like a interesting thread I will be watching closely.
Great. Thanks for watching and hopefully you and some others can learn a thing or two as we progress along with the builds.

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Yea Steve it does look like a good plane to build and fly. I have never built a laser cut kit before but i have seen some, they are way ahead of thos old sig and pica kits i built 20 years ago. BTW i have been searching for a das,canard stick plan from the 80's and after 7 years of hunting it down i finaly found it 3 days ago. I am thinking about making it a lot lighter and converting to E-power and making a nitro one also ,here is one framed up. If any one wants pdfs of her ,pm me a email adress. joe
Wow! That sure is an interesting plane design. Never seen anything like that before. Looks like a fun build as well.

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Wow! That sure is an interesting plane design. Never seen anything like that before. Looks like a fun build as well.

Frank
A friend bult one in the 80's ,flew like it was on rails very fast roll rate and it was very hard to stall .After seeing his fly i have always wanted one. Back then i had 3 kids in college and could not buy any toys for myself but they are all done and gone now and it's PARTY TIME ! lmao joe
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I guess one of the first things I, and maybe others, need is a building board. I have been looking at the GreatPlanes boards and see you have that on your tools list. Is this the best option? I've been looking for a nice straight piece of wood for a couple years without much success.
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I guess one of the first things I, and maybe others, need is a building board. I have been looking at the GreatPlanes boards and see you have that on your tools list. Is this the best option? I've been looking for a nice straight piece of wood for a couple years without much success.
For kit building, a building board is not really necessay. Just a flat surface and parchment paper is all you really need.

I bought the GP board for some future sratchbuild projects.

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Old 08-08-2012, 08:24 PM   #37
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So what differentiates a kit from scratch built regarding a building board? Don't you have to pin pieces down for gluing whether kit or scratch.
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Luan interior doors make a good flat surface.
Lowes or Home Depot has good prices on them.
If you can find one with a blemish ,might be a bit less.

Some of the newer kits don't need the pieces pinned to the building board.
Just fit the parts together and a little CA and it's done.
With older style kits sometimes the pieces have to be pinned or weighted down.
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I don't believe either of my kits have the new tab and notch type fuse construction.
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How about some discussion on different glues. I know many use CA but I would like to get some pointers and feedback from those who build with wood glues.
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I use Titebond for most of my glue joints. It works well and I think is a bit less brittle than CA.
Titebond has a few drawbacks, such as when edge gluing sheets you have to clean the excess off immediately or it's a pain to sand.

On stick builds, after the original joint has dried I like to give a little fillet of glue to the joint for added security.
I don't know if it helps all that much, it might just be my thinking going back to the days of cellulose based glue like Ambroid of Duco.

I use CA quite a bit too.

I only use epoxy in rare instances. I find it messy and heavy.
A good fit on wood to wood joints and most glues are stronger than the balsa framework.
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I have never built a laser cut kit either.

I have done a ton of building in the past and just started back in RC after 25 years off so I guess I am an old fart too

So far I have built a Great Planes 40 size cub covered in coverite and painted. New experience using coverite and I love this stuff.

I am finishing up a twist 40 size scratch built and covered it in ultracote and absolutely hate coverite. It has more wrinkles than me...
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I think they call a bunch of people doing the same plane at the same time a coockup on
all the forums Guy !!
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I use tightbond 11 on all my stuff ,epoxy for motor mounts and landing gear mounts . Yes CA is faster but its very hard to sand when used around balsa so you realy dont save that much time after you figure in the sanding and filling of gouges . As far as a building board i use to use a piece of drywall to push pins in but i have found some 1/2 inch thick poster board at manards i use on a good flat level table now. Iam in the process of finding a 6ft long by 30 inch wide piece of 1/8 inch steel plate so i can build with magnets soon ,its going to cost some for all the magnets and stuff but i think in the end it will be worth it. joe
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I think they call a bunch of people doing the same plane at the same time a coockup on
all the forums Guy !!
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I don't think everyone will be doing the same plane, just everyone building a plane at the same time.
I have so many kits now that I can't justify another kit before I finish some of the ones I already have.

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Originally Posted by Canuk View Post
I have never built a laser cut kit either.

I have done a ton of building in the past and just started back in RC after 25 years off so I guess I am an old fart too

So far I have built a Great Planes 40 size cub covered in coverite and painted. New experience using coverite and I love this stuff.

I am finishing up a twist 40 size scratch built and covered it in ultracote and absolutely hate coverite. It has more wrinkles than me...
You would be surprised how easy it is to build a plane from a laser cut kit. I get the feeling it is more like assembling than building but it is fun none-the-less.

Since these will be battery powered builds, then I recommend Solarfilm or if you want to go very light, then go with SoLite.

Those two films do a great job with shrinking when heated. But guess we can get more into covering at a later time.

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Great summary on glues and can add only one more thing. I use a syringe and CA tip to apply Titebond II with. I helps with applying the glue in small quantities and in tight places.

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That is a good way to get glue into a tight place but I like a good old artistbrush for
large area on balsa or spruce or pine if it is more than 6 months old whitch most of
them are in kit planes and balsa seems to sit in warehouses for ever thies days so
it sucks up glue very fast .
just seems that way to me .
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P.S. You are right but they seem to call that a cookup too PD1 but I guess it is not a big
deal what we call it as long as every one has fun and gets a plane out of it !!
Be well and stay safe Sir!!
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Luan interior doors make a good flat surface.
Lowes or Home Depot has good prices on them.
If you can find one with a blemish ,might be a bit less.
Funny Paul - I just picked a pair of these up at Lowes last night. One for the basement build room, I put old ceiling tiles on them upside down to build on (the airport keeps me supplied for life with those)

The other I leave in the garage, good to bag wings on. I did that just once in the basement, The Princess Was Not Amused

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Great summary on glues and can add only one more thing. I use a syringe and CA tip to apply Titebond II with. I helps with applying the glue in small quantities and in tight places.

Frank
I have a friend who gets me dentict water syringes ,they have a curved end and a tiny hole to get into tight spots and i can leave glue in them as long as the tips sits in water.
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