2nd PLane?!?!

[kenchiroalpha]

Originally Posted by wedoitall

im a newb and after going to a fly-in (my first) and seeing some of these homemade planes in action. i would love to start building my own, especially with winter coming up. i would love any information that either of you could help me with.

johnny o.

Hi Johnny
Pleased to meet you
Try these sites
http://www.rcscratchbuilders.com/sta...beginners.html
http://mikeysrc.com/Scratch-Built-Aircraft.html
http://www.rcfoam.com/stpg.php?page_...airplane_plans
Take care
Yours Hank

[wedoitall]

thanks bud. will give me plenty to do this winter.

[IdkWhatPlaneToBuy?!?!]

So how hard is it to go from a plane like the champ to a plane with ailerons like the t28 or f4u corsair?

[wedoitall]

Originally Posted by IdkWhatPlaneToBuy?!?!

So how hard is it to go from a plane like the champ to a plane with ailerons like the t28 or f4u corsair?

i just maiden both of my parkzone t-28 and um t-28 this week. i havent had a bit of problems so far. ive only been flying for almost 2 months. but i have flown everyday possible since then. also i have quite abit of time on phoenix flight sim. i have a dx6i and first flight started out with about 70 percent rates but have already bumped up to full rates.

if you have somebody you can buddy box thats a plus, just incase you over react. if you dont have buddy box then hopefully you have a computer radio and you can dial down the rates. also lol make sure cg is good. i didnt on my umt28 today. very very tail heavy. just by luck i landed it without crashing. it was like a roller coaster. scary.

from my experience and what i have read, you cant go wrong with the pk t28 as an aeliron trainer.

[road king 97]

Originally Posted by kenchiroalpha

Hi Johnny
Pleased to meet you
Try these sites
http://www.rcscratchbuilders.com/sta...beginners.html
http://mikeysrc.com/Scratch-Built-Aircraft.html
http://www.rcfoam.com/stpg.php?page_...airplane_plans
Take care
Yours Hank

Thanks Hank! long time no see, I have hundreds of balsa plan sites but not many foam ones . Thanks again . Here are some seaplane plans from the german forums http://info.rc-wasserflieger.at/downloads.htm And some more 3-d plane free downloads from another german site http://www.fish-air.de/contents/baup...bauplaene.html

[kenchiroalpha]

Originally Posted by road king 97

Thanks Hank! long time no see, I have hundreds of balsa plan sites but not many foam ones . Thanks again . Here are some seaplane plans from the german forums http://info.rc-wasserflieger.at/downloads.htm And some more 3-d plane free downloads from another german site http://www.fish-air.de/contents/baup...bauplaene.html

Hi
Your most welcome, and thanks for the links
How ya been? i hope this finds you well.
Heres a few more you may not have seen
http://www.parkjets.com/free-plans
http://rcfoamfighters.com/blog/?cat=11
http://www.skyhighhobby.com/free-plans
Take care dear friend
Yours Hank

[road king 97]

Originally Posted by kenchiroalpha

Hi
Your most welcome, and thanks for the links
How ya been? i hope this finds you well.
Heres a few more you may not have seen
http://www.parkjets.com/free-plans
http://rcfoamfighters.com/blog/?cat=11
http://www.skyhighhobby.com/free-plans
Take care dear friend
Yours Hank

I have been mean as ever ,i tried to retire but they would not let me and keeping me on my terms $ . Its had to find guys to run construction jobs with a little street smarts instead of a couple college degrees .lmao I hope your well Hank and thanks for the links . Here is another balsa planes free tiled plans that i know you will remember the planes Hank ,just click on the colored names for the download. http://my.pclink.com/~dfritzke/

[kenchiroalpha]

Originally Posted by road king 97

I have been mean as ever ,i tried to retire but they would not let me and keeping me on my terms $ . Its had to find guys to run construction jobs with a little street smarts instead of a couple college degrees .lmao I hope your well Hank and thanks for the links . Here is another balsa planes free tiled plans that i know you will remember the planes Hank ,just click on the colored names for the download. http://my.pclink.com/~dfritzke/

Hi
Had the scare of my life the other day what with the wifes accident so very happy to say she is fine though we did need to replace the car
Thanks for the link nice aircraft
Do check out these sites
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/
http://www.kurrawong.net/affp/index.php
http://www.gryffinaero.com/models/
http://www.theplanpage.com/index.htm
http://www.ffscale.co.uk/
Take care dear friend
Yours Hank

[road king 97]

Glad to hear every one is ok Hank ,cars can be replaced Here are some german downloads http://modell-aviator.de/category/downloads/ http://jk-modellflug.de.tl/Fokker-120cm.htm

[warmfreeze]

the t-28 from horizon is a decent second plane..its a bit quick though.

[pizzano]

Thanks warmfreeze for getting this thread back on topic "beginners 2nd plane".......!....highjackers had this going completely sideways......lol

[road king 97]

Originally Posted by pizzano

Thanks warmfreeze for getting this thread back on topic "beginners 2nd plane".......!....highjackers had this going completely sideways......lol

Your the first person i have seen that does not like free plans and you are fairly new to wattflyers i see also . Good luck buying from china for the rest of your life.lmao Here help yourself http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/index.rc

[pizzano]

LMAO.....old hat, once again off topic............ more than 2/3rd's of those plans you posted, after construction, would not be considered a GOOD 2nd plane to a new flyer...maybe just could be considered a good 2nd plane to construct for the beginner builder...maybe!

As for membership here, what does it have to do with RC ability..?..lol

As for China purchases....lol....I'll bet all of the radios, receivers, ESC's, servos, batteries and motors needed for to fly those planes suggested are ALL made in the USA.....just like ALL of the building materials used....lol

Sorry, Just trying to point out that we're trying to help out a beginner who is interested in a good 2nd plane to FLY....which the original request was focused......!

Thanks for the HK link.....but I buy most of my balsa airframes from Millennium and Stevens.......made in the good old USA!.......lol

[road king 97]

Originally Posted by pizzano

LMAO.....old hat, once again off topic............ more than 2/3rd's of those plans you posted, after construction, would not be considered a GOOD 2nd plane to a new flyer...maybe just could be considered a good 2nd plane to construct for the beginner builder...maybe!

As for membership here, what does it have to do with RC ability..?..lol

As for China purchases....lol....I'll bet all of the radios, receivers, ESC's, servos, batteries and motors needed for to fly those planes suggested are ALL made in the USA.....just like ALL of the building materials used....lol

Sorry, Just trying to point out that we're trying to help out a beginner who is interested in a good 2nd plane to FLY....which the original request was focused......!

Thanks for the HK link.....but I buy most of my balsa airframes from Millennium and Stevens.......made in the good old USA!.......lol

Me and a couple other old hats around here are hoping that building is not going to die with us ,so you set the table and hope others come to eat free . Yes i have helped a new flyer and builder finish up their first and second plane with their own two hands and now they are building ww1 and 2 airplanes . We are trying to help him help himself and not be satisfied with whats on the hobby shop shelf when he needs a new plane . I might get one or two builders out of 100 but if i did not try i would be letting the old hats that taught me 30 years ago down. As far as framing your own i have done one or two.lol joe

[pizzano]

I hear ya Road King......I'm not exactly a spring chicken either....lol

Your point is well taken, having been around this hobby for awhile, I've also noticed that the majority of the scratch builders still using balsa tend to be of the "geritol" generation......that said, foam building wih the younger crowd I'm around is alive and well.....

There's obviously many reasons the balsa build aspect scare the younger guys who do not have "old hats" around to help......that's why I try to steer the newbees who show an interest in building towards the simple stuff like the Slow Stick airframes.....be it either foam or wood.

I even find myself leaning more towards the foam mainly because the newer laser cut wood kits, although very nice and getting somewhat cheaper, when repairs are needed due to a mistake, the newer balsa CADD template designs are so interdependent structurally that you end up rebuilding 1/2 the plane in order to repair a wing strut or rib......!...and the reskining is a science of it's own...I'm still challenged by it.

I'm very appreciative of having you experienced guys around to learn the "tricks" of balsa building.....but, unfortunatley the majority of the younger crowd I help would rather be in the air in an hour learning to fly rather than taking pride in the build they are flying....with some exception....thus, the popularity of the inexpensive foamy ARF/PNP Asian materials.....although it has brought life back to the hobby and the interest semingly is still growing, which allows us "old guys" to stimulate the build aspects in those young pups...surprisingly seems to be going strong if you keep it simple!

[road king 97]

Originally Posted by pizzano

I hear ya Road King......I'm not exactly a spring chicken either....lol

Your point is well taken, having been around this hobby for awhile, I've also noticed that the majority of the scratch builders still using balsa tend to be of the "geritol" generation......that said, foam building wih the younger crowd I'm around is alive and well.....

There's obviously many reasons the balsa build aspect scare the younger guys who do not have "old hats" around to help......that's why I try to steer the newbees who show an interest in building towards the simple stuff like the Slow Stick airframes.....be it either foam or wood.

I even find myself leaning more towards the foam mainly because the newer laser cut wood kits, although very nice and getting somewhat cheaper, when repairs are needed due to a mistake, the newer balsa CADD template designs are so interdependent structurally that you end up rebuilding 1/2 the plane in order to repair a wing strut or rib......!...and the reskining is a science of it's own...I'm still challenged by it.

I'm very appreciative of having you experienced guys around to learn the "tricks" of balsa building.....but, unfortunatley the majority of the younger crowd I help would rather be in the air in an hour learning to fly rather than taking pride in the build they are flying....with some exception....thus, the popularity of the inexpensive foamy ARF/PNP Asian materials.....although it has brought life back to the hobby and the interest semingly is still growing, which allows us "old guys" to stimulate the build aspects in those young pups...surprisingly seems to be going strong if you keep it simple!

I find 90 percent of the time that new builders think it is realy hard and dont want to even try but once they do it clicks in their head its not hard at all to do. I have been learning about building with foam ,mostly from jurgen in germany .They have some great foam plans there. Iam now building the ultron 3-d plane ,even tho iam old i can do 3-d with the best of them. lol joe

[warmfreeze]

Originally Posted by road king 97

Your the first person i have seen that does not like free plans and you are fairly new to wattflyers i see also . Good luck buying from china for the rest of your life.lmao Here help yourself http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/index.rc

Actually the majority of planes i build are all out of either fanfold or foamboard. unfortunately the average "beginner" wouldn't know how to build with such material..as well as with most experimental personally build aircraft have very unpredictable flight characteristics that would be unsuitable for a beginner. Thank you sir for taking the time out of your useless life to troll me. have a nice day.

[kenchiroalpha]

Hi
My First rc plane was one i built from plans over 40 years ago and learned to fly with my dad
Beginners have it way too easy now lol
Thats what so nice about the present all the different options you have at your disposal to achieve your wants and needs build arf rtf bnf etc
Take care
Yours Hank

[solentlife]

Originally Posted by wedoitall

im a newb and after going to a fly-in (my first) and seeing some of these homemade planes in action. i would love to start building my own, especially with winter coming up. i would love any information that either of you could help me with.

johnny o.

Absolutely .... no problem .... and also note that each of us may have a personal way of doing something. It suits the individual but may differ to another. If a way works - then it's right. No one person has the absolute answer.

Posting on forums like this any question etc,. will get help and so much info that you have to succeed !

You can always PM or email to individuals like me if you feel I / we can help directly ... but I think it's good for all to see questions / solutions ..

Go for it !! The smile on yer face when YOUR model takes to the air is worth a 1000 RTF's !!

Nigel

[solentlife]

Originally Posted by IdkWhatPlaneToBuy?!?!

Christmas needs to hurry...my champ won't last much longer haha

There's an old saying : Old Fords never die .....

You can apply that to Foam models !

Learn about piecing together the Champ ... keeping it straight and in form ... about use of heat to reshape etc. Experiment with glues including old-world PVA's etc. The lessons learnt from keeping the Champ in the air will repay 10fold later.

Study relation of main wing to tail ... angles of attack ... distance between them ... distance forward to prop / motor etc. ..... ratio of main wing area to tail surfaces ... these are all good things to recognise. You don't need fancy formula's in fact for general modelling ....... the old adage of "If it looks right - it probably is right" really does apply.

Nigel

Nigel

[road king 97]

Originally Posted by warmfreeze

Actually the majority of planes i build are all out of either fanfold or foamboard. unfortunately the average "beginner" wouldn't know how to build with such material..as well as with most experimental personally build aircraft have very unpredictable flight characteristics that would be unsuitable for a beginner. Thank you sir for taking the time out of your useless life to troll me. have a nice day.

Ha HA just because you could not figure out how to build a foam trainer does not mean others can not. I have more faith in new people comming into hobby than you do i guess . As far as trolling you ,DUDE ! with 6 posts we dont even know you yet but so far iam not impressed . joe

[Flywhat2]

Roadking and Chief Kenchiro, Hats off to both of you. You took this thd only sightly off course. I'm and 81 yr old noob to RC. Building balsa when younger. Doing foam now a bit hope to do more. I believe pilots can benefit from building if they really want to and are patient. Theres a feeling from flying a new plane you have built ENTIRELY ( not ARF) from raw materials that is a feeling like no other.

Keep it up guys, All the best to us "oldies, but newbies"

Fly

[road king 97]

Originally Posted by Flywhat2

Roadking and Chief Kenchiro, Hats off to both of you. You took this thd only sightly off course. I'm and 81 yr old noob to RC. Building balsa when younger. Doing foam now a bit hope to do more. I believe pilots can benefit from building if they really want to and are patient. Theres a feeling from flying a new plane you have built ENTIRELY ( not ARF) from raw materials that is a feeling like no other.

Keep it up guys, All the best to us "oldies, but newbies"

Fly

I hope i make it to your age Flywhat and it sounds like you are having a great time building and flying. At 81 still building and flying i dont consider you a Noob my friend . joe

[IdkWhatPlaneToBuy?!?!]

Originally Posted by solentlife

There's an old saying : Old Fords never die .....

You can apply that to Foam models !

Learn about piecing together the Champ ... keeping it straight and in form ... about use of heat to reshape etc. Experiment with glues including old-world PVA's etc. The lessons learnt from keeping the Champ in the air will repay 10fold later.

Study relation of main wing to tail ... angles of attack ... distance between them ... distance forward to prop / motor etc. ..... ratio of main wing area to tail surfaces ... these are all good things to recognise. You don't need fancy formula's in fact for general modelling ....... the old adage of "If it looks right - it probably is right" really does apply.


Nigel

Nigel

So what can I do if my champ won't fly straight because of crashing on its nose and bending the little rod that has the prop on it? Thanks

[kenchiroalpha]

Originally Posted by IdkWhatPlaneToBuy?!?!

So what can I do if my champ won't fly straight because of crashing on its nose and bending the little rod that has the prop on it? Thanks

Hi
That would be the prop shaft on the gearbox, you could try to straighten it out by applying slight pressure with some pliers and bending it back or you could just replace the gear box
http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Hobb...-p/hbz4929.htm
Replacement parts list Champ
http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Hobb...ting-s/704.htm
Take care
Yours Hank